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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: rastalant on January 06, 2002, 10:24:48 PM
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After playing this game for serveral hours I must say this is another one of my fav xbox games to date. The game is awesome and the kudos system is sooooooo addictive as well.(this game is just fun!!!!) The main thing the graphics in this game are downright gorgous!!! The backgrounds and textures in this game are massive as well. I mean personally I did not think gt3 would get beat in racing graphics for a long time, proabably not til gt4. After playing pgr I must say the graphics may very well edge gt3 out by an inch. I mean the car models are beauitful, there very detail, and the relfection in this game is unmatched even topping gt3\'s relfections. For those people out there that played both gt3 and project gotham racing which one looks better to you? Me? Well..........I think its a close fight I may have to give it to pgr. I\'m considering another thing pgr was done in alittle less than a year, while gt3 was in developement for like 2 or 3 years. :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
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I just bought Project Gotham Racing and this game is one hard challenge. There is only about 30 or so cars to open but its real hard to do. I have about 27,000 kudos. I can\'t believe you have to make a min amount of kudos and get at lest bronze to get pass some of the levels. But in GT3 the endurance levels are the hardest to do to. But this game looks very heavy in textures. The night time levels with the head lites on is like real. I\'m tring to open up the Ferrari F355 spider. The Ferrari F50 is one sweet car but you need 200,000 kudos to open it. :eek: Oh I got the Porsche Boxer open. Got to open the Porsche GT2!!! :D
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Originally posted by rastalant
After playing this game for serveral hours I must say this is another one of my fav xbox games to date.
Damn. Out of ALL the released Xbox games to date, this is one of your favorite? Thats a huge honor for the game, with all the Xbox games out right now.. Not to mention, all the outstanding ones out..\'
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By the way - Its okay, but its not Pole Positon. The only true racing game.;)
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Rastalant:
I mean personally I did not think gt3 would get beat in racing graphics for a long time, proabably not til gt4. After playing pgr I must say the graphics may very well edge gt3 out by an inch.
Lets see what the media has to say about this:
Gamespot
Project Gotham Racing:
Overall -- 8.1
Graphics -- 8
GT3:
Overall -- 9.4
Graphics -- 10
Gaming Age
PGR:
Overall -- C+
GT3:
Overall -- A-
Just listing the bad that Gaming Age said about PGR\'s graphics: (go ahead and read the review for the good)
The courses and environments look great as a whole, but there are some issues with low quality textures and "flat" lighting.
Overall, the Gotham still does not come close to touching the detail and near graphical perfection found in Gran Turismo 3.
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Xbox.ign.com/PS2.ign.com
PGR:
Overall -- 8.8
Graphics -- 8
While environments are detailed, they\'re also flat, both in lighting and architecture.
GT3:
Overall -- 9.8
Graphics -- 9.8
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WINNER: GT3
Ok, I\'m going to sleep.
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I haven\'t playe PGR long enough to get a true impression of the graphics when compaired to GT3. It does look great though. I just don\'t understand your raving about the Kudos points system. I have MSR and I find it annoying that you can advance though the game without even having to WIN races. What kind of Racing is that?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Damn. Out of ALL the released Xbox games to date, this is one of your favorite? Thats a huge honor for the game, with all the Xbox games out right now.. Not to mention, all the outstanding ones out..\'
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By the way - Its okay, but its not Pole Positon. The only true racing game.;)
Hmmmmmmmm.......strange you should say that ATLEAST xbox has a racing game out unlike some other new system that just came out.;)
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Ironfist thats there opinion and this is mine opinion. So I guess we just have different opinions on the graphics.
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Originally posted by rastalant
Hmmmmmmmm.......strange you should say that ATLEAST xbox has a racing game out unlike some other new system that just came out.;)
...not really no...............
please explain why you would bring up a console that is completely unrelated to the discussion...and why you find that to be particularly amusing....? maybe i just dont have a sense of humour....maybe you are just the King of Comedy....but i dont get it....do YOU
Some guy with genital warts says:
Ironfist thats there opinion and this is mine opinion. So I guess we just have different opinions on the graphics.
but the thing is...chances are...their opinion is a little less bias than yours of Alpha Prime of Humour...
p.s. i assumed that by strange you meant kinda...funny...odd...querky...which is how i figured out you were such a riotous person... cos you said it as a semi-serious joke...
god im tired :)
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Well--those scores from GT3 are from a while ago when graphical expectations were not as high as they are now. Also, graphics for the xbox are weighed against the potential of the machine not against the PS2. There are many PS2 ports that look better than the PS2 version but score lower in graphics, so I don\'t think you can bring that in as evidence.
About the question, I\'m not sure either game looks better than the other. It is far too close to have a clear winner. In some areas PGR looks better and in others it is lacking. It\'s all the same if you ask me.
C-? That score is far too low for this game.
Another point: you do have to win races, but calling PGR a racing game isn\'t fair either. In some respects it\'s racing, but there is a lot more to the game than that.
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rastalant,
You must not of heard, GT2000 was scrapped and replaced by GT3 using a new engine. 16 months was the reported time to develop GT3.
The idea a graphical comparison of the two games is even arguable now that they\'ve both been released is pretty funny to me. Anyone else besides me remember xbox fans last year posting screens of PG that proved it was going to kick GT3s ass? The gloating about how with so many months left in development PG was going to look so much better by the time it was released? It sure didn\'t turn out that way.
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Originally posted by rastalant
After playing this game for serveral hours I must say this is another one of my fav xbox games to date. The game is awesome and the kudos system is sooooooo addictive as well.(this game is just fun!!!!) The main thing the graphics in this game are downright gorgous!!! The backgrounds and textures in this game are massive as well. I mean personally I did not think gt3 would get beat in racing graphics for a long time, proabably not til gt4. After playing pgr I must say the graphics may very well edge gt3 out by an inch. I mean the car models are beauitful, there very detail, and the relfection in this game is unmatched even topping gt3\'s relfections. For those people out there that played both gt3 and project gotham racing which one looks better to you? Me? Well..........I think its a close fight I may have to give it to pgr. I\'m considering another thing pgr was done in alittle less than a year, while gt3 was in developement for like 2 or 3 years. :thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:
This game rocks. If I was into racing games, I might buy an XBox just because of this title. It\'s definitely one of the best looking racers on any platform right now. It\'s unfortunate that they couldn\'t offer as much content as GT3, but it\'s a great game nonetheless.
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This is the best racer I\'ve played. And for those weighing it so heavily against MSR...I have both, and PGR is alot more player friendly.
The graphics are amazing, but the game is damn hard. I just now got the Mazda RX-8 ( i think that\'s it). I have nearly 30,000 kudos.
Hopefully I can be done with this by the time Sega GT 2002 comes out in March...
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Watchdog:
Well--those scores from GT3 are from a while ago when graphical expectations were not as high as they are now. Also, graphics for the xbox are weighed against the potential of the machine not against the PS2. There are many PS2 ports that look better than the PS2 version but score lower in graphics, so I don\'t think you can bring that in as evidence.
Ok, then lets throw out the scores and only look at the comments that they made: (I\'ll also be responding directly to Rastalant\'s post while showing these quotes)
Rastalant said:The backgrounds and textures in this game are massive as well.
Gaming Age said:The courses and environments look great as a whole, but there are some issues with low quality textures and "flat" lighting.
Xbox.ign said:While environments are detailed, they\'re also flat, both in lighting and architecture.
Rastalant said:
After playing pgr I must say the graphics may very well edge gt3 out by an inch.
Gaming Age said:Overall, the Gotham still does not come close to touching the detail and near graphical perfection found in Gran Turismo 3.
I think those comments speak for themselves.
WINNER: GT3
Rastalant:
Ironfist thats there opinion and this is mine opinion. So I guess we just have different opinions on the graphics.
I know it\'s their opinion. You said "For those people out there that played both gt3 and project gotham racing which one looks better to you?" Because I haven\'t played enough PGR to be taken seriously (and because I\'m too big of a Sony fanboy to be taken seriously), I decided to see what the reviewers had to say about this. They have played both, so they fit into your category of "For those who have played both." I was only responding to your question.
Ginko:
This is kind of off topic from what I was saying above, but I thought this was kind of funny. You said, "I have both, and PGR is alot more player friendly." Then in the next sentence you said, "The graphics are amazing, but the game is damn hard."
lol. So what is it? Player friendly or dang hard?
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Sorry but i don\'t know what you guys thinkl the graphics in GT3 are sooo good, they were a big disapointment for me.
Don\'t get me started on the jaggies, at times you can\'t tell which way you had to turn because of them, oh and i remember sony saying that they had got rid of them in GT3 by adding more horizontal lines, or some crap like that.
If you really think about GT3 all they did was in each diferent catagory put about 15 more races in each one, like the Type-R cup, which you had to win each different one, to get a new car, and that was it, wow how fun!
And then you had those stupid 80 lap or more races, what is the point in that?
I had high hopes for GT3 but it let me down big time, i even got the steering wheel hoping it would get better, but after a couple of days the game was put back on the shelf and collecting dust.
And you say that gt2000 was scrapped, dont be a fool, it would have been the same game, but they made the graphics engine better, so that to me addes more time to the development, which was what 2-3 years, that is a stupid amount of time.
Hides behind a rock when he see\'s the GT3 fans!:D
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jaggies were hardly noticible in GT3...the only reason the corners were sometimes hard were because the colors werent sharp enough and the track sometimes blended into the barrier if the view was from in the car...low angle
i cant believe Fisty went to all the trouble of finding those quotes.....freak :p
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Gaming Age said:
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Overall, the Gotham still does not come close to touching the detail and near graphical perfection found in Gran Turismo 3.
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You must have to be blind to say gt3 blows away project gotham graphics. I mean I think if there one racer on the market that out does gt3 its pgr. Ironfist thats gaming age opinioin like I said, heck gaming age also game doa3 a A+ which it deserve. I know some people on this board will this disagree with that and some will agree with it. People have different taste in games that all.......
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Gosh, I was under the impression writing a new engine was a big deal. Didn\'t know all you had to do was whip one out and start pouring the old code through :rolleyes:
Anyone who bought GT3 and didn\'t know it was basically the same as GT2 with better graphics and a few other enhancements did so out of ignorance and only has themselves to blame. Same thing goes for those so bitterly dissapointed with the PS2 launch. There was no bait and switch. In game shots and reviews were everywhere before launch so what is with this tragic let down some people can\'t get over? While I respect your grit Ethan, at times you do sound like a damn crybaby.
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"I know it\'s their opinion. You said "For those people out there that played both gt3 and project gotham racing which one looks better to you?" Because I haven\'t played enough PGR to be taken seriously (and because I\'m too big of a Sony fanboy to be taken seriously), I decided to see what the reviewers had to say about this. They have played both, so they fit into your category of "For those who have played both." I was only responding to your question. "
I like said ironfist you would to play both games for a long time all at look the level like I have to make a final judgement on the graphics.
Bobs hardware
"not really no...............
please explain why you would bring up a console that is completely unrelated to the discussion...and why you find that to be particularly amusing....? maybe i just dont have a sense of humour....maybe you are just the King of Comedy....but i dont get it....do YOU "
The reason why I brought this up is at least MS cared even to launch a racing game to give to there gaming audineces. A good racing game at that. Don\'t judge the game until you played it.
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You must have to be blind to say gt3 blows away project gotham graphics. I mean I think if there one racer on the market that out does gt3 its pgr. Ironfist thats gaming age opinioin like I said, heck gaming age also game doa3 a A+ which it deserve. I know some people on this board will this disagree with that and some will agree with it. People have different taste in games that all.......
So what exactly are you saying? That Gaming Age is a credible source because they gave DOA3 a good score, or that they are not a credible source because they said GT3 looks a lot better than PGR? Were they "blind" when they were reviewing PGR? Or were they "blind" when they were reviewing DOA3?
I like said ironfist you would to play both games for a long time all at look the level like I have to make a final judgement on the graphics.
The reviewers have played the games long enough to get good impressions of both games. Don\'t tell me that the longer you play PGR, the better the graphics look.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Don\'t tell me that the longer you play PGR, the better the graphics look.
hehe in quick race on hard levels, the sun hits the buildings a way that it does look better. More sharper and more colors. Even in the night at Tokyo. I\'m not j/k. Have you notice this rastalant or Ethan_Hunt? rastalant I got the Ferrari F355! Wooohoo!! Use the mini cooper on the quick race hard levels to get gold. You have to use your GT3 skills and get in front. :D
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Originally posted by pstwo
hehe in quick race on hard levels, the sun hits the buildings a way that it does look better. More sharper and more colors. Even in the night at Tokyo. I\'m not j/k. Have you notice this rastalant or Ethan_Hunt? rastalant I got the Ferrari F355! Wooohoo!! Use the mini cooper on the quick race hard levels to get gold. You have to use your GT3 skills and get in front. :D
I noticed that too. Yes I got the Ferrari F355 which is awesome. That\'s mainly the only car I was in it now.
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Originally posted by IronFist
The reviewers have played the games long enough to get good impressions of both games. Don\'t tell me that the longer you play PGR, the better the graphics look.
Gaming age is a good source for review, but to say gt3 looks WAY better than project gotham is dumb. What I"m saying is even if they gave project gotham a C+ thats there opinion even though I do not agree with it thats all. DOA3 got an A+ but not everyone is going to agree with that score that all I\'m saying.
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May I ask a question.... Why is it that you feel the need to post something having to do with xbox and graphics every day???
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Originally posted by Bozco
May I ask a question.... Why is it that you feel the need to post something having to do with xbox and graphics every day???
Nah........I don\'t start a post with graphics everyday. Just for something for you guys to debate about. :fro: :thepimp: :fro:
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I haven\'t see the Project gotham so no real comparison from me. But I do believe the developers is the same as the guys who made MSR for DC.
And IMO, MSR on the DC have the same problem of flat lightning and texture.....maybe they\'re just sucky developers. :)
and personally, kudos system just suck(so did MSR).
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bunch of moronic comments in this thread...
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Originally posted by rastalant
I like said ironfist you would to play both games for a long time all at look the level like I have to make a final judgement on the graphics.
The reason why I brought this up is at least MS cared even to launch a racing game to give to there gaming audineces. A good racing game at that. Don\'t judge the game until you played it.
ummm so if i must play this game for a long time then why do you have any judgement you have only played for several hours
i could rack up several hours at a kiosk through the week - but would that give me proper judgement sure it would - because since you give judgement on graphics of other xbox titles through pics i think we can too - i mean how can malice look so awesome if you havent played it for several hours yet
see so dont start the yapping on how you have to play the game to judge graphics when you dont do that for other xbox games
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
ummm so if i must play this game for a long time then why do you have any judgement you have only played for several hours
i could rack up several hours at a kiosk through the week - but would that give me proper judgement sure it would - because since you give judgement on graphics of other xbox titles through pics i think we can too - i mean how can malice look so awesome if you havent played it for several hours yet
see so dont start the yapping on how you have to play the game to judge graphics when you dont do that for other xbox games
When I say serveral hours I meant I had the game since nov. 15, 2001.:thepimp:
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Originally posted by rastalant
When I say serveral hours I meant I had the game since nov. 15, 2001.:thepimp:
well then maybe you should have said that before then huh
and i highly doubt you have played the GC very much so why do you diss it so often . . .hmmmm little hyprocrtical if you ask me - because you can only really play it enough hours as you say if you own it so maybe you should invest more time in those kiddy games and you may find them to your liking instead of walking by a kiosk and saying "wow that looks gay" or looking at site and movies and saying the samething
anyway when you stop bashing GC ill stop riding your butt about it ;)
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How do you get the 355?, i haven\'t play much pgr at the moment, because i just got a surround sounds, and am finshing off halo( didn\'t want to finsh until i got my surround sound, it was hard waiting for it, i wanted to play bad!).
Also why did GT3 get such good scores, when must people say GT3 is just GT2 with better graphics, to me that does not deserve the scores it got, also all that crap about AI they still drive into you.
But in PGR the cars will try to go around you, if you drive towards them they will try and move out of the way.
And how can you sit there and say GT3 does not have jaggies in it, that is just pure crap,a jaggie is a jaggied edge, and i think you will find that GT3 has quiet alot, and don\'t say it must be your tv because i have got a Sony wega and it is going through s-video.
It is funny how most of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!
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Originally posted by IronFist
Ginko:
This is kind of off topic from what I was saying above, but I thought this was kind of funny. You said, "I have both, and PGR is alot more player friendly." Then in the next sentence you said, "The graphics are amazing, but the game is damn hard."
lol. So what is it? Player friendly or dang hard? [/B]
Hmmmm, looks like I typed english?! Anyway, MSR was very hard to pull off manuevers in ( earn kudos, which in turn gets more awards). PGR is much more player friendly like I mentioned in the way that it\'s extremely easy to pull off a slide, two wheels, etc. especially with the hand brake...:nerd: AND there aren\'t as many 90 degree turns.
The game does get very difficult because the A.I. is a *****...and the kudos challenge shouldn\'t have those narrow 90 degree turns:)
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Nah........I don\'t start a post with graphics everyday. Just for something for you guys to debate about.
If you are unopen to the opinions of others on this forum and you decide that your opinion is absolute and everyone else is full of crap, then what is there to debate about? Isn\'t it pointless to instegate a debate topic on x-box graphics if your opinion is the end all be all of opinions and can not be changed by any incite from any other forum member? What\'s the point of debating period if the point you are "debating" about is purely one of opinion?
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
well then maybe you should have said that before then huh
and i highly doubt you have played the GC very much so why do you diss it so often . . .hmmmm little hyprocrtical if you ask me - because you can only really play it enough hours as you say if you own it so maybe you should invest more time in those kiddy games and you may find them to your liking instead of walking by a kiosk and saying "wow that looks gay" or looking at site and movies and saying the samething
anyway when you stop bashing GC ill stop riding your butt about it ;)
Uhhhhhhhhhh.......who said anything about nintendo I\'m not even talking about them and you bring them up. I played RL2 yes I was impressed with the graphics but the gameplay isn\'t nothing to get excited about. Like I said you just brought nintendo up for no reason. I was talking about project gotham how in the later stages the graphics improve even more. Hmmmmmmm......me stop bashing gamecube....hahahahaha!!!! The funny thing most the things I say about it is true.:laughing:
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Originally posted by Ryu
If you are unopen to the opinions of others on this forum and you decide that your opinion is absolute and everyone else is full of crap, then what is there to debate about? Isn\'t it pointless to instegate a debate topic on x-box graphics if your opinion is the end all be all of opinions and can not be changed by any incite from any other forum member? What\'s the point of debating period if the point you are "debating" about is purely one of opinion?
Gee show me the link when I said the opinion the end all opinion. Btw, ryu you said you didn\'t like doa3? Thats fine........I\'m not trying to shove it down your throat to force you to like it, like some people here do with gamecube. Thats just the way I feel about gamecube at this point........thats my opinion on the console so far.
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
How do you get the 355?, i haven\'t play much pgr at the moment, because i just got a surround sounds, and am finshing off halo( didn\'t want to finsh until i got my surround sound, it was hard waiting for it, i wanted to play bad!).
Also why did GT3 get such good scores, when must people say GT3 is just GT2 with better graphics, to me that does not deserve the scores it got, also all that crap about AI they still drive into you.
But in PGR the cars will try to go around you, if you drive towards them they will try and move out of the way.
And how can you sit there and say GT3 does not have jaggies in it, that is just pure crap,a jaggie is a jaggied edge, and i think you will find that GT3 has quiet alot, and don\'t say it must be your tv because i have got a Sony wega and it is going through s-video.
It is funny how must of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!
For every 1 great game on the XBox, there are 5 on the PS2
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Ethan Hunt you have to keep racing getting kudos points and unlocking stages until you get the F355, which is an awesome car as well. This game has a ton of replay value to it.
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Originally posted by Krakn3Dfx
For every 1 great game on the XBox, there are 5 on the PS2
And so there should be, it has been out in japan nearly 2 years, and out for 1 in US and Europe, i would hope that there are some fun games out(which there are),but i would take it as far as you was saying!
I mean have you seen the releases for Xbox in the next few months it is pretty good?
And alot of those games are new games, not sequals or ports!
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Gee show me the link when I said the opinion the end all opinion.
Ok.
Gaming age is a good source for review, but to say gt3 looks WAY better than project gotham is dumb. What I"m saying is even if they gave project gotham a C+ thats there opinion even though I do not agree with it thats all.
How\'s that?
If lots of other experienced reviewers, who get paid to say these things, agree that GT3 looks better, then how can that mass of completely experienced reviewers be wrong? You say they are all full of it and are blind. That suggests to me that you think your opinion is absolute, in other words, what\'s the point of debating if you won\'t budge on the issue in any way? A debate should entail of several people keeping an open mind concerning the issue at hand, not a graphics whore worshipping their console of choice and disagreeing with everything to the contrary of their statements and basing it all solely off of the defense of opinion. There\'s no debate in that so what\'s the point of each thread you post worshipping another game every day for the x-box?
Btw, ryu you said you didn\'t like doa3? Thats fine........I\'m not trying to shove it down your throat to force you to like it, like some people here do with gamecube. Thats just the way I feel about gamecube at this point........thats my opinion on the console so far.
You commented on but one game on the Gamecube that you have played and then bash the entire system? I suppose if I came in here and called the x-box complete trash after playing Fuzion Frenzy once on a tiny TV without giving the system any benefit of the doubt, you\'d be pretty quick to say that I haven\'t played the best games or that a better TV would make the experience better, or that I need to play Halo. WHatever the reason, I would meet stern oposition to that point if I called all of the X-Box games garbage and kiddy if I had played only Fuzion Frenzy. What do you care anyways? Do you think that gives you the right to bash the console in terms of its release list even though you have not done any research on the system at all? Bah. Graphics whore.
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Originally posted by Ryu
You commented on but one game on the Gamecube that you have played and then bash the entire system? I suppose if I came in here and called the x-box complete trash after playing Fuzion Frenzy once on a tiny TV without giving the system any benefit of the doubt, you\'d be pretty quick to say that I haven\'t played the best games or that a better TV would make the experience better, or that I need to play Halo. WHatever the reason, I would meet stern oposition to that point if I called all of the X-Box games garbage and kiddy if I had played only Fuzion Frenzy. What do you care anyways? Do you think that gives you the right to bash the console in terms of its release list even though you have not done any research on the system at all? Bah. Graphics whore.
I played more than one gamecube.I tried out both xbox and gamecube before making my decision to buy one and I went with xbox. I\'m not saying gaming age decision is dumb but to say GT3 looks way better PGR is alittle extreme there. Gt3 may edge it out alittle to some people, then some people may say PGR may edge that out alittle. Neither game blows each other away graphical I think there both very close in graphics. Btw, I done my research heck I had an n64 at launch. It was probably one of the worst systems I\'ve ever owned compare to the ps1 and saturn. That of course my opinion.
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Ethan_Hunt:
Also why did GT3 get such good scores, when must people say GT3 is just GT2 with better graphics, to me that does not deserve the scores it got...
Like Watchdog pointed out, those scores aren\'t very accurate in representing how good the GT3 graphics are. The game was reviewed about 6 months ago, and at that time, GT3 graphics were unheard of.
...also all that crap about AI they still drive into you. But in PGR the cars will try to go around you, if you drive towards them they will try and move out of the way.
Let\'s see what Gaming Age had to say about this:
Speaking of the A.I., this is where my biggest gripe with the game lies. At the start of the game it isn\'t much of a problem, but as you get into medium and hard difficultly races expect some frustration. While the game does not just center around racing against opponents, I sometimes found that aspect to be the least fun of them all, further into the game. The CPU cars drive with a complete disregard to everyone else around them, yourself included. In a tight race, if you slow down a little too much on a corner, expect a pack of vehicles to slam into the inside/rear of your car. More times than not, you end up either spinning around or headfirst into a barrier. The control is overall a bit slippery at times, even when using a 4WD car with a high Handling rating. That is a bad combo usually, and drove me crazy on several opportunities.
So yes, it\'s better than GT3\'s. But it\'s still nothing to brag about.
And how can you sit there and say GT3 does not have jaggies in it, that is just pure crap,a jaggie is a jaggied edge, and i think you will find that GT3 has quiet alot, and don\'t say it must be your tv because i have got a Sony wega and it is going through s-video.
Nobody here said GT3 doesn\'t have jaggies. You are the one who brought jaggies up in the first place, then Bobs_Hardware replied by saying "jaggies were hardly noticible in GT3...the only reason the corners were sometimes hard were because the colors werent sharp enough and the track sometimes blended into the barrier if the view was from in the car...low angle." The jaggies were there, but they only stood out on a couple of the stages, and it really does not ruin the overall beauty of the game.
It is funny how most of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!
So you think it\'s funny that we PS2 owners don\'t go out and buy an Xbox just so we can play this one decent racing game? He he, yeah, really funny. I guess we really are "sad." :rolleyes:
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Ethan_Hunt, to get the F355 you have to race in the quick race mode and win all the races in gold. Use the Min Coper because if you use a faster car the CPU will match you with faster car too.
I have to unlock the F360. Its a better car than the F355 but its almost impossible to open.
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
How do you get the 355?, i haven\'t play much pgr at the moment, because i just got a surround sounds, and am finshing off halo( didn\'t want to finsh until i got my surround sound, it was hard waiting for it, i wanted to play bad!).
Also why did GT3 get such good scores, when must people say GT3 is just GT2 with better graphics, to me that does not deserve the scores it got, also all that crap about AI they still drive into you.
But in PGR the cars will try to go around you, if you drive towards them they will try and move out of the way.
And how can you sit there and say GT3 does not have jaggies in it, that is just pure crap,a jaggie is a jaggied edge, and i think you will find that GT3 has quiet alot, and don\'t say it must be your tv because i have got a Sony wega and it is going through s-video.
It is funny how most of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!
Agreed. I\'ve never really like GT from the beginning. I mean the game is great looking but the AI is sad. Whats the point in racing round a track when you can predict where the cars are going.
People need to be less fanboy like and consider all their gaming options, not the options that some company has given them.
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Originally posted by rastalant
Uhhhhhhhhhh.......who said anything about nintendo I\'m not even talking about them and you bring them up. I played RL2 yes I was impressed with the graphics but the gameplay isn\'t nothing to get excited about. Like I said you just brought nintendo up for no reason. I was talking about project gotham how in the later stages the graphics improve even more. Hmmmmmmm......me stop bashing gamecube....hahahahaha!!!! The funny thing most the things I say about it is true.:laughing:
lol see its annoying when someone brings up something that doesnt have to do with the topic at all
so there ya go next time you praise xbox that means you dont have to add that other "kiddy" system that has nothing of your interest
just giving you a taste of your own so to speak
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Originally posted by RichG
People need to be less fanboy like and consider all their gaming options, not the options that some company has given them.
You need to stop labeling people as fanboys just because they don\'t own an Xbox.
I\'ll tell you the same thing I told Ethan_Hunt, and then some. Let me get this straight. Those of us who won\'t go out and buy an Xbox so we can play PGR are fanboys now? The reason I bought a PS2 is for the games (or "options" as you like to call it) that were coming out on the PS2. Why is it wrong to look forward to the games that are coming out on the system I actually own? I could care less about the games on the Xbox because as of right now, there is nothing on the Xbox that makes it a must buy for me. The PS2 is still fighting strong (even stronger than the Xbox for that matter), and (IMO) is getting overall better games than the Xbox is.
You can keep on throwing words around like "fanboy", but until the Xbox shows me something I really must have, I have no intention of buying one.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Ethan_Hunt:
So you think it\'s funny that we PS2 owners don\'t go out and buy an Xbox just so we can play this one decent racing game? He he, yeah, really funny. I guess we really are "sad." :rolleyes:
I do have a PS2 you know, i have two of them, just incase all you thought i had was an Xbox, i also have a GC.
Ok so where in my post did i say run out and buy an XBOX just for one game?( i am waiting!), i mean systems in general fool, and not just for one game either, that would be dumb.
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Also why did GT3 get such good scores, when must people say GT3 is just GT2 with better graphics, to me that does not deserve the scores it got...
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Like Watchdog pointed out, those scores aren\'t very accurate in representing how good the GT3 graphics are. The game was reviewed about 6 months ago, and at that time, GT3 graphics were unheard of.
What the hell are you going on about? that is the biggest load of crap i have heard, yeah the graphic maybe nice, but not unheard of, i mean race a TT let it pull away, and when you get closer to it look at the wheel, and you will see it plain as day change shape and quality, so i don\'t they are quiet the unheard of graphics you are going on about.
I have read many reviews that have said simply it is GT2 with better graphics the AI is the same, and it has less cars! But they still give it a big score, now to me something is not right there, big time.
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...also all that crap about AI they still drive into you. But in PGR the cars will try to go around you, if you drive towards them they will try and move out of the way.
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Let\'s see what Gaming Age had to say about this:
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Speaking of the A.I., this is where my biggest gripe with the game lies. At the start of the game it isn\'t much of a problem, but as you get into medium and hard difficultly races expect some frustration. While the game does not just center around racing against opponents, I sometimes found that aspect to be the least fun of them all, further into the game. The CPU cars drive with a complete disregard to everyone else around them, yourself included. In a tight race, if you slow down a little too much on a corner, expect a pack of vehicles to slam into the inside/rear of your car. More times than not, you end up either spinning around or headfirst into a barrier. The control is overall a bit slippery at times, even when using a 4WD car with a high Handling rating. That is a bad combo usually, and drove me crazy on several opportunities.
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WOW one website says the AI is nothing special, it must be true, this game is street racing my friend.
And no matter what you say the cars still try to get out of your way.
And it sounds like he didn\'t play the game much before he reviewed it, because the handling is great, as the other guys that have this game will tell, you can fly around the corners, so i don\'t know what he is going on about in the handling department.
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Nobody here said GT3 doesn\'t have jaggies. You are the one who brought jaggies up in the first place, then Bobs_Hardware replied by saying "jaggies were hardly noticible in GT3...the only reason the corners were sometimes hard were because the colors werent sharp enough and the track sometimes blended into the barrier if the view was from in the car...low angle." The jaggies were there, but they only stood out on a couple of the stages, and it really does not ruin the overall beauty of the game.
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What how can you say that, the race where it is like a circle i can\'t remember what it is called, the jaggies were horrid on that level, that is the first track i played on and it left me with a very bad taste in my mouth, yeah a few tracks look nice, but not like you are going on about.
Just incase you don\'t know i do have GT3 with the steeering wheel and if it wasn\'t for the steering wheel this game would have been put on the shelf alot quicker, this game is not fun in an way shape for form.
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
WOW one website says the AI is nothing special, it must be true, this game is street racing my friend.
And no matter what you say the cars still try to get out of your way.
And it sounds like he didn\'t play the game much before he reviewed it, because the handling is great, as the other guys that have this game will tell, you can fly around the corners, so i don\'t know what he is going on about in the handling department.
This is true, I seen the CPU cars brake before hiting you in the harder levels. The RX8, 4WD Skyline handles great. Of all 16 cars I have now the RX8 handles the best so far even in the rain levels. It took me over 3 days working hard to get this car. You need 4 gold in the arcade easy level to unlock the RX8. Its damn hard but its sweet! All the cars you can see every detail in side. All the dashbords and seats are like what it would look in real life. Even the driver move left or right when turning and when the you hit a wall too he move. He even up or down shifts. You can see his arm shifting the gears. I\'m working on opening the F360 on the Kudos Challenge. :)
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
lol see its annoying when someone brings up something that doesnt have to do with the topic at all
so there ya go next time you praise xbox that means you dont have to add that other "kiddy" system that has nothing of your interest
just giving you a taste of your own so to speak
I don\'t mind if you bring up nintendo..........hmmmmmmm........you must REALLY like nintendo don\'t you?;) ;)
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LOL,
Rasta man, you are funny. Whats with all this nintendo hatred? You worship Xbox as the savior of videogames? Uhh man, come on, stop with the bashing. Nothing wrong with Nintendo. BTW, PGR is crap, compared to GT3 IMO.
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Honestly PGR looks like Ridge Racer V. Smoother textures, cars, and cities. Ooh what a waste my parents spent...for almost 2 identical games. What\'s new about it the Kudos, paint jobs, cities, cars, and you can make your own soundtrack.
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
I do have a PS2 you know, i have two of them, just incase all you thought i had was an Xbox, i also have a GC.
It\'s good that you are fortunate enough to have all the next gen consoles, but just because you have all the systems doesn\'t mean we do. I find it humorous that you call us sad for not being able to buy another $200-$300 next gen console.
Ok so where in my post did i say run out and buy an XBOX just for one game?( i am waiting!), i mean systems in general fool, and not just for one game either, that would be dumb.
You said, "It is funny how most of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!" Can you blame me for thinking you were talking about the Xbox and PGR? That is what this thread is about afterall. And I still don\'t see what\'s so sad about it. Like I said before, not all of us have the money to go out and buy a newer system. Some of us have to (or IMO, get to) take what the PS2 gives to us.
I would love to be able to own an Xbox and a NGC and all the good games on both of those systems, but right now, there are more important things for me to spend my money/time on. I could go out and buy an Xbox/NGC tonight, but to me, it wouldn\'t be worth it. I am very happy with the games I own on the PS2, and the games coming out on the PS2 in the future. And like I\'ve said many times before, right now there isn\'t a must have game (or even a combination of games) for me on the NGC or Xbox to warrant a $200-$300 purchase.
What the hell are you going on about? that is the biggest load of crap i have heard, yeah the graphic maybe nice, but not unheard of, i mean race a TT let it pull away, and when you get closer to it look at the wheel, and you will see it plain as day change shape and quality, so i don\'t they are quiet the unheard of graphics you are going on about.
Ok, name one console game that was released before or at the same time as GT3 that looked as good as GT3. By saying, "that is the biggest load of crap i have heard" you make it sound as if there were a lot of games that were as good, if not better looking than GT3. So if you will, just name one that you think looks better.
What how can you say that, the race where it is like a circle i can\'t remember what it is called, the jaggies were horrid on that level, that is the first track i played on and it left me with a very bad taste in my mouth, yeah a few tracks look nice, but not like you are going on about.
All I know is that on my TV the jaggies and shimmering are hardly noticable and only on a few stages. Most of the stages look beautiful. And I think most of the media would agree with me.
Just incase you don\'t know i do have GT3 with the steeering wheel and if it wasn\'t for the steering wheel this game would have been put on the shelf alot quicker, this game is not fun in an way shape for form.
You bought a $100 steering wheel for a game you don\'t even like? Maybe that has something to do with your bitterness towards GT3...
I\'m still trying to figure out how this thread, "Project Gotham Racing.....best looking racer ever?!?!?"[/b] turned into a GT3 gameplay bash. To debate this would be foolish, because gameplay funfactor is based on opinion even more so than the graphics are. Obviously you are not into simulation racing games and like the gameplay of PGR better. There is no arguing with that.
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Lets settle this:
Both GT3 and PGR look like crap. Make way for Stunt Race FX!
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Posted by IronFist
It\'s good that you are fortunate enough to have all the next gen consoles, but just because you have all the systems doesn\'t mean we do. I find it humorous that you call us sad for not being able to buy another $200-$300 next gen console.
When the hell did i call you sad?, i said it is sad that you would miss out on a great game, not that you are sad!
And when did i say it is sad that you can\'t buy another console?
Also you are sitting there saying that GT3 is better when it sounds like you haven\'t even played PGR, why? when you haven\'t even given PGR a chance?
Also i don\'t hate GT3 it is ok, best thing is all the cars, but all i am saying is that for ME it isn\'t as good as what people are going on about, it is just an old game with better graphics, that is the way i feel about it.
Now for me a kick ass game is MGS2 or GTA3 now they are worth haveing a PS2 for alone.
I am not going to fall out with you dude over a racing game, because if that is all we have to worry about then we are BOTH sad, there are much more important things in life.
Like last night a found out that i boy i knew that i went to school with was killed riding his bike, and it has hit home for me, i mean we sit here say this game is better that game is better, when what we should be doing is just enjoying the games, i am going to get GT3 out agian at the weekend, give it another go, because PGR has really got me into racing games, i played it for 3 hours last night, didn\'t want to stop but my girlfriend was over, so i thought i better stop:D
And just to clear it up, i didn\'t cal anyone SAD! ok
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When the hell did i call you sad?
Right here: "It is funny how most of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!"
I bolded the sad part just so you don\'t miss it this time.
And when did i say it is sad that you can\'t buy another console?
Again, right here: "It is funny how most of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!"
You think we\'re sad that we miss out on a great game that\'s on a system we don\'t own, which in turn says you think we\'re sad that we can\'t buy another console.
Also you are sitting there saying that GT3 is better when it sounds like you haven\'t even played PGR, why? when you haven\'t even given PGR a chance?
I never said GT3 was better gameplay wise. I only said it was better graphics wise. You are the one who keeps on bringing up gameplay, and I keep on telling you that debating that would be stupider than debating which game has better graphics.
Also i don\'t hate GT3 it is ok
Could have fooled me. Aren\'t you the one who said, "This game is not fun in an way shape for form."[/color]?
And just to clear it up, i didn\'t cal anyone SAD! ok
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"It is funny how most of you guys will miss out on a great game, just because it isn\'t on the ps2, you are very sad indeed!"
*cough*
It\'s been fun, but I\'m done.
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Originally posted by rastalant
I don\'t mind if you bring up nintendo..........hmmmmmmm........you must REALLY like nintendo don\'t you?;) ;)
nah i just like how you find it funny to bring em up all the time so i figured i would this time :P
and no i used to be a nintendo fanboy way back years ago but im past all that now a days 64 changed my mind so to speak
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racers suck PERIOD!
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Originally posted by Claypool 2001
racers suck PERIOD!
heh... I definently agree... They just get boring, action and adventure games all the way!
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Originally posted by Claypool 2001
racers suck PERIOD!
Nice opinion;)
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Look Ironfist i tryed to clear the air with you, but you just won\'t let it go will you, i have got much better things to do with my time, then keep comming back in here and clicking the little quote button.
But you have sat there saying that GT3 has better graphics when it sounds like agian you haven\'t even seen PGR properly.
In your house with it on your TV and taking your time with the game, where as i can because i did give GT3 some time, and i still stand by what i said that GT3 isn\'t fun in any way shape or form.
Ok i did say you are sad, but it came out wrong it was a typo, it was ment to be it is very sad, not you are very sad, ok i did not mean to call anyone sad, just sad that i good game would be looked over like that. I hope you believe me about that, because in my other postes i did say that i said it that way, and it was only when you brought it to my attention that i realised what i had done.
I guess will have just have to take it that you like GT3 and i like PGR!
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well i played PGS..and it has better graphics the GT3...on top of it the video quality is amazing..
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Don\'t take Gamespot\'s word nor IGN\'s word for granted. I\'d definately rent any games before you buy them, unless it\'s a series your dedicated to.
It\'s all personal preference. From clips of PGR, I thought it was hella cool. And being I own MSR, I also thought the gameplay was gonna be there.
As newer technology comes out, reviewers become picker because consoles have more potiental and features.
Plus, I really don\'t find it fair comparing a title for a system that\'s young to a title on PS2 that\'s been out since 1999 and has matured. Developers are still "learning" the system. I bet if they have some sort of sequeal for PGR, it\'s going to look just as good if not better the 2nd time around.
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Cars look better in PGR for sure, but i dont really see that much else that would make it soo much better of a game. If this was a "which game is better overall" thread, GT3 all the way. I love racing in cities where theres no cars on the road :rolleyes:
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You have to look past the graphics in PGR in order to fully enjoy it. Not all can do that. Same story with MSR. I can look past the aliasing in the game and the lack of lighting. I think earning Kudos for your driving is way cool. Not being able to customize your car is a minus, but would have been nice. But 25+ Chapters of Hot Lap, Street Race, Challenges, and Championship races? Talk about an easy 50+ hour racer.
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Since this thread has been bumped I\'d like to revisit a point I unintentionally reenforced that bothers me, the idea of GT3 being basically the same as GT2 with better graphics. While in essence true enough, it ignores other improvements that I\'m sure required a lot of effort to make happen.
Physics of handling on all the various cars are reportedly even more accurate, especially in rally mode. A big job considering how good they were to begin with and the number of variables that can be tweaked by the player. From what I\'ve read PPD also went to great lengths to reproduce more realistic sounds for each model car.
For all the gripe about lack of improved AI, they at least provided the option of being able to race against 5 other humans, intelligent or otherwise (IMO all the complaints about the AI stem from the computer controlled drivers not reacting correctly to the whiners own poor driving that would never be tolerated in a real race), yeah most of us will never get a chance to play with 3, PS2s, TVS and copies of GT3 but the option is there.
Pressure sensitive controls, break-in periods, the effect of oil changes, details easily overlooked if you don\'t respond to the other subtleties that make GT such a great series.
To write off taking however much time it took to make GT3 as just stupid... well it\'s just not right.
Back on topic; which one looks better? I\'ll repeat, the notion that it can even being argued about should just crack PS2 fans up :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: