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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: shedoskj on January 17, 2002, 09:06:09 AM
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I read on some game sites that square is thinking about developing for the X-Box. Do you think we\'re gonna lose our monopoly on the ff series. This will really piss me off if it happens because it will make me feel as though the sony will have no big time exclusive series if we lose ff. If square does this hopefully it is just for online stuff. What do u guys think?
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i really dont think they will, atleast not maybe the FF series, but who knows, its all about business and the benjamins...doesnt sony own like 15% of square or something?
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I thought that Sony owned about 50% of Square..
Anyway, Sony won\'t be able to keep the FF-Series PlayStation-
exclusive forever. What Square needs is money.. as the FF-movie was quiet a big flop Square needs to get every Yen they can.
I suppose that the 13th entry to the FF-saga will be non-exclusive. However, we cannot know ;)
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FFXI will be developed for the PC market, not the MSBox.
Microsoft ~is~ speaking with Square right now about games. Square\'s comment was that they have no games being developed for MSBox at the moment.
Don\'t hold your breath.
And BTW, Sony owns about 20% of Square stocks. They are still in negotiations about buying up to 49%.
Don\'t hold your breath on that one too.
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I\'ve gone over this a thousand times I guess one more will not hurt. The only game that Square has ever thought of moving to other platforms is Final Fantasy XI. Why, one might ask. because it is an online game which uses Square\'s PlayOnline service. So the more poeple that own the game the more poeple who pay for the service. But recently square announced that they have changed there plans. You would not have to pay to use PlayOnline however you will have to pay to play Final Fantasy XI. So instead of paying for the service you must pay to play the game.
However Square has stated that they have ceased negotations with all other parties. So the chances that Final Fantasy XI going to anyother system is very very slim.
And on a further note. Final Fantasy XII has already been decleard a Playstation 2 exclusive.
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Square backstab Sony?
Don\'t you mean Nintendo?
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Originally posted by Ashford
Square backstab Sony?
Don\'t you mean Nintendo?
:laughing: that was funny when that happend
ooseven rewinds the OVER USED tape that shows Square backstabing Nintendo ......
:laughing:
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tape?
hmm. . . a bit of square knowsledge I am not informed of. Could you tell me what your talking about?
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Before there was a PSX, Square worked for Nintendo. Afterall, where did you think FF1-6 were on? Anyways, back then, Square appeared excited about developing FF7 on the N64...but low and behold, it is now on the PSX exclusively.
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Originally posted by Ashford
Square backstab Sony?
Don\'t you mean Nintendo?
You are actually blaming Square for Nintendo\'s stupid decisions? Nintendo screwed themselves -- that\'s all there is to it.
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I hope they backstab and go to Nintendo...again...so I can have my RPG\'s I o\' so want!:D
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Square going back to Nintendo?
Dream on my friend, dream on.
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Nintendo doesn\'t deserve Square
but personally I could care less where they go, but one thing is for sure they will always be on Sony machines since Sony owns a solid piece of Square
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Originally posted by Caspian
However Square has stated that they have ceased negotations with all other parties. So the chances that Final Fantasy XI going to anyother system is very very slim.
And on a further note. Final Fantasy XII has already been decleard a Playstation 2 exclusive.
When did they cease all negotionations, recent news says otherwise...
What about Square\'s other series? Chrono? And have FF13-15 been announced Sony exclusive?
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Originally posted by Ginko
And have FF13-15 been announced Sony exclusive?
Good god people slow down. Lets just think about whats coming instead of looking 3 or 4 years down the road....
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They announced that 12 would be exclusive way back when they annonced FF10...Just thought some Square fans might know something...
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trust me the square fans have known for a while. And square has siad they they ended negotiations. And Final Fantasy XIII is not being produced yet so its irelavent if it wil be exclusive or not. Who knows it may be exclusive to the Playstation 3.
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Opps...wrong post...read below
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Okay, whoa!! FFXI is set to come out this year, I think sometime during the summer. FFXII is well into production as pics are starting to come about.
All I want is a link or post that says Square has ceased all talks with any one else other than Sony...something recent...
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Originally posted by ooseven
:laughing: that was funny when that happend
ooseven rewinds the OVER USED tape that shows Square backstabing Nintendo ......
:laughing:
I will second that.:laughing:
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Microsoft has mucho $$$. So I think it\'s possible that Square could develop games for X Box. You gotta remember it\'s all about Money! That\'s all they care about. Why make games for one console when they can make even more money developing for all systems! I don\'t know about Gamecube though.
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1) I dont care really cuz i hate the FF series (dont like rpg\'s :) )
2) They will never go back to nintendo cuz as the above user stated they got screwed and left nintendo.
3) SO what if they make a game for xbox, its not the end of the world.
I just dont see the point about exclusives, as long as its a good game, i could care less if xbox, ps2, nintendo, the arcade, and the friggin atari get the game at the same time, as long as its entertaining, who cares.
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They will lose money if they make games multi consoule. Sony gives Squares almost entire royalty. While Microsoft would want a standard amount, probably less even for more gratatude. But it wouldn\'t compare to what Sony has done for square. Sony has invested so much and will continue to do so if square remains a third party.
However I still believe that if any game goes over to any consoul that the only game that would go anywhere would be FInal Fantasy XI to the X-Box and thtas because of PlayOnline.
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Originally posted by Caspian
They will lose money if they make games multi consoule. Sony gives Squares almost entire royalty. While Microsoft would want a standard amount, probably less even for more gratatude. But it wouldn\'t compare to what Sony has done for square. Sony has invested so much and will continue to do so if square remains a third party.
However I still believe that if any game goes over to any consoul that the only game that would go anywhere would be FInal Fantasy XI to the X-Box and thtas because of PlayOnline.
only thing i disagree with is the fact they would lose money... I understadn they make plenty now, but offering games on other consoles opens up a whole new world of profit, and when it comes down to it, thats what its about... $$$
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Originally posted by Caspian
tape?
hmm. . . a bit of square knowsledge I am not informed of. Could you tell me what your talking about?
It a joke and not a very good on it seams...
You know a Tape like the Watergate tape.
or the Bill Clinton Tapes ?
Ah forget it i am spoiled here ... i am of to a QUALITY site like TAME X box ...........:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :clown:
oh and Z
Microsoft has mucho $$$. So I think it\'s possible that Square could develop games for X Box. You gotta remember it\'s all about Money! That\'s all they care about. Why make games for one console when they can make even more money developing for all systems! I don\'t know about Gamecube though.
SONY has more money that MS.
Plus their share in Square was the LARGEST permitable by one complany ALONE !
Plus Square have no Plans to jump ship
After all Sony and Square have a mutual partnership thing going, thanks to the poor takens of the final fantasy movie.
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ooseven, you need to get your facts straight.
1. Microsoft has WAY more money than Sony. Sony has about 60 billion dollars, and Microsoft has about 500 billion dollars. When you get up to that much money, the differences become less important, but they are still there. If Microsoft and Sony both tried to buy out Square, Microsoft would easily win.
2. Sony does not own the most shares of Square. There is another share holder that owns a little more than Sony. Sony owns 19%, and the other company owns somewhere between 20-30%.
3. How would you know if Square has plans to jump ship or not?
4. Sony and Square had a mutual partnership even before the movie. Sony actually gave Square a lot of money for that movie to be made -- probably hoping to be paid back the original amount that they gave Square plus some of the profits.
I will agree with you on your overall idea though -- that Square isn\'t going anywhere for a long time to come. Sony and Square depend on each other and have done a lot for each other. Square even said that they were free to develope for other systems, but there only interest was the PS2 at the time (a couple months ago when Sony bought some of Square). So I really doubt Square goes multiplatform this generation (meaning, they won\'t go multiplatform until at least the PS3/Xbox2/NGC2 comes out, if then).
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Originally posted by IronFist
ooseven, you need to get your facts straight.
1. Microsoft has WAY more money than Sony. Sony has about 60 billion dollars, and Microsoft has about 500 billion dollars. When you get up to that much money, the differences become less important, but they are still there. If Microsoft and Sony both tried to buy out Square, Microsoft would easily win.
2. Sony does not own the most shares of Square. There is another share holder that owns a little more than Sony. Sony owns 19%, and the other company owns somewhere between 20-30%.
3. How would you know if Square has plans to jump ship or not?
4. Sony and Square had a mutual partnership even before the movie. Sony actually gave Square a lot of money for that movie to be made -- probably hoping to be paid back the original amount that they gave Square plus some of the profits.
I will agree with you on your overall idea though -- that Square isn\'t going anywhere for a long time to come. Sony and Square depend on each other and have done a lot for each other. Square even said that they were free to develope for other systems, but there only interest was the PS2 at the time (a couple months ago when Sony bought some of Square). So I really doubt Square goes multiplatform this generation (meaning, they won\'t go multiplatform until at least the PS3/Xbox2/NGC2 comes out, if then).
2 words PLAY ONLINE.
its Squares internet service so i guess that they want more people to subscribe and, therefore XBOX and PC FF online will add more golden Gills to Squares Chests.
i mean with PS2, X Box and PC owners all pay to play the online game, it will mean that they can get more money
oh and lighten up please.
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But with FFXI being released in only a couple months from now, don\'t you think they would have at least announced the Xbox/PC/ (NGC?) versions by now? I agree that it would be more profitable for them if they made FFXI multiconsole, but it seems less and less likely every day. Until they actually announce something, all we can do is speculate.
And what do you mean lighten up? All I said is that you need to get your facts straight. I\'m sorry if I offended you or anything, but you did need to get your facts straight.
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I am sorry friend. Microsoft does not have more money then sony. Bill Gates the president of microsoft is the second riches man in the world if nto the richest. However on the Fortune Five Hundred List Sony places 7th and microsoft places 113.
Microsoft is not as larg as Sony. Sony is worth far more then microsoft. Leave Bill Gates out of this, he dosn\'t pay for everything.
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I used to think the same thing. I even debated with Watchdog about it. But after I did some research, I found out that I was wrong all along. Those Fortune statistics are very deceiving. They are not for total money, but for yearly revenues. Here\'s the link if you want to see for yourself: http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=list.jhtml&list_frag=list_global500.jhtml&list=19
And if you want Sony\'s and Microsoft\'s total worth, just go to a stock market site like http://www.quicken.com and look up the data there.
Bill Gates did not get all his money from Microsoft. A lot of it he got from investing in other companies, even apposing companies like Macintosh. His wealth does not effect the worth of Microsoft.
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Originally posted by IronFist
But with FFXI being released in only a couple months from now, don\'t you think they would have at least announced the Xbox/PC/ (NGC?) versions by now? I agree that it would be more profitable for them if they made FFXI multiconsole, but it seems less and less likely every day. Until they actually announce something, all we can do is speculate.
And what do you mean lighten up? All I said is that you need to get your facts straight. I\'m sorry if I offended you or anything, but you did need to get your facts straight.
Damn i have many PC owning firends who are waiting to play Final Fantasy Online :crying:
/ooseven crys on their behalf.
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Eh? I thought they already announced the PC version along side the PS2 version. What they didn\'t announce, was a Xbox and/or GC version.
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THey have announjced only a PC and PS2 version.
Thank you IronFist. I am trying my best to find the data on the pages you gave me. However I am finding it hard to do so.
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Caspian, just enter the symbols for Sony (SNE) and Microsoft (MSFT), then look where it says, "Mkt Cap."
Here\'s the links:
SNE: http://www.quicken.com/investments/quotes/?symbol=SNE
$41,055,340
MSFT: http://www.quicken.com/investments/quotes/?defview=FULL&symbol=msft
$355,998,350
Microsoft has 8 times the amount of money that Sony has.
And I forgot about the PC version of FFXI. I guess that makes sense because all previous FF games (except for FFX) have been released on the PC. Has anyone heard a release date for that (I might just get the PC version and save a few hundred bucks ;))
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Ironfist...
You need to take a valium or a tranquilizer...
Where exactly in my post did I blame Square for them ditching Nintendo???
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Originally posted by ElwayLite
...only thing i disagree with is the fact they would lose money... I understadn they make plenty now, but offering games on other consoles opens up a whole new world of profit, and when it comes down to it, thats what its about... $$$
I\'m not completely sure that square would make profit from making games multi-platform. To make a game multi-platform would be like completely making a new game, wouldn\'t it be? As a computer programmer, I understand that programming using Java and then making the same program using C++ is a tedious and strenuous activity. You have to go through the entire coding and check for bugs everywhere. Basically you have to completely write the whole program over from scratch in order to keep all the bugs out from the different programming language.
But in the world of programming languages, Java and C++ are very similar, so it may go smooth, but my question here is: How close are the programming architecture between Xbox and Ps2? My thoughts would be that the two are completely different to program for, and thus would require twice the time and cost to produce. And especially so if they are to make two versions on different consoles compatible with each other, as in the case between DC and PS2 capcom games.
So considering that if its going to be the same game on two different consoles, and most likely costs will double to produce, then Square wouldn\'t do it, because most people out there have either a Ps2 and an Xbox, or a ps2 alone. Not too many people out there have only an Xbox, and that limited few are not going to give Square enough revenue to cover the cost of production. However, Square could be like Tecmo and decide to make little upgrades and added specials to their games, and by doing things that way, people will be interested in the little differences, and would buy both games on both consoles (IE: my former roomate bought all versions of DOA just for the heck of it.. Ultimately it turns out the be the same game with little differences, but he was satisfied)