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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: mm on January 24, 2002, 03:56:27 AM
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According to This CNET article,
X-Box is costing Microsoft money...
That\'s because Microsoft is selling each console for less than it costs to manufacture--a widely copied practice in the video game business. Makers of game consoles typically count on sales of their own software and licensing revenue from third-party software to partly subsidize the cost of making game machines.
I guess Microsoft thinks they\'ll make it up with volume.. BWUHAHAHAHA!
*disclaimer*
before you ignorantly flame me, i own an xbox. :rolleyes:
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it took 2 years for sony to get a Profit from the PS2
so i guess that it will take just as long for the X box.
// ooseven counts down the seconds till a m$ fanboy flames MM
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I can\'t help but think you posted this just to start a little flame war...I mean, there\'s nothing to debate about it.
Yes, they are losing money, just like every other console launch in history.
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What is up with you lately mm? Fist it was the controller that you curse at EVERY opportunity and now you bring up the completely obvious? It does seem like you are looking for trouble.
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cant have an all PS2 forum, no fun eh?
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hehe M$ have to wait untill the profits rolls in. Maybe he can find a way to close the time frame. ;)
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They don\'t expect to make any profits until 5 years from launch. MS also said they\'d take a $1billion loss until that time.
You gotta spend money to make more money.
I have a strong feeling that Xbox will be MS\'s first and final venture into the console world - a la Dreamcast. Why? By that time, PS3 will be on the news(but not on the shelf - I have a feeling PS2 will last up to 6 years).
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Great insight Gman, absolutely no logic applied though.
If the xbox lasts 5 years there is no way they will still have a 1 billion dollar deficit. MS doesn\'t plan to lose 1 billion, that is the worst case scenario. By year 5 (worst case scenario) the xbox will pull out of the red and start making money with everything they sell. More likely, MS will start making money (cutting into their deficit) by the end of year two or three (the hardware itself will be far cheaper, the nvidia chip alone will be $50 by that time)--this is how the console market works.
If the xbox is around by year 5, it\'ll have a huge userbase and will have been profitable per console for a number of years (the xbox project as a whole may still be in the red though). It just might take 5 years to make up for losses incured over that time.
Also, if the PS3 is announced, chances are the xbox2 will be too and both will be on the news in the same stories. Again, if the xbox has made it to the 5 year mark there will be a significant number of loyalists and fanchise games to make xbox2 just as appealing as PS3.
You could argue that the xbox will die in 2-3 years and that is possible. But to say that it\'ll last 5 years and then die isn\'t very logical.
There is a quote from MS that said something like MS doesn\'t dabble in anything they do, when they go into a market they expect to dominate and usually do. MS is too sharp and proud a company to fail, cower and back out. For the most part, everything they\'ve done up to this point has been perfect; they\'ve made good decisions and executed well. The market has responded. I see no real reason to predict that xbox will fail or that xbox2 won\'t see release.
You use the DC as an example--this make little sense also. Sega was a company with a storied history of failure--MS has no such history, actually the two companies are polar opposites. At the six month market there were signs of a Sega collapse and people in the indsutry and news were whispering that the Sega was in trouble and going to back out. A year and a half later they did. So far there have been no such reports and people in the industry and on the news predict very good things from MS. People on forums and newsgroups are the only ones predicting failure and doom as they take a time out from their PS2.
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Yes it is true they are selling the X-box for less then it costs to make it. However the X-box is such a superior gaming system that once more and more games come out for it, the profits will start.
The PS2 is finally starting to turn a profit due largely to the size of it\'s game library. Once the X-Box has a huge library of games available it will surpass any game system on the planet
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ok, so only pstwo caught my drift?
sheesh
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Originally posted by Watchdog
What is up with you lately mm? Fist it was the controller that you curse at EVERY opportunity and now you bring up the completely obvious? It does seem like you are looking for trouble.
...and you forget his odd obsession by the 30 fps "issue" of Halo :D
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Yes, hm.
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its not an "issue" anymore
its a frickin attrocity
shame on Bungee, i got the "most advanced console on earth :rolleyes:" , and it cant run halo at 60 fps?
pitifull
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troll.
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lmao! i believe thats the 1st person to ever call me a troll
precious
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i own an xbox.
A while back, when I was still an avid, ridiculously vocal Nintendo supporter, I indeed owned a Playstation. That didn\'t change the fact that I was an assinine idiot.
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This is from an old article
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LOS ANGELES, Nov 5 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) could lose as much as $1 billion on its new Xbox video game console before breaking even in fiscal 2004, an influential Wall Street analyst said on Monday.
Morgan Stanley analyst Mary Meeker said the console faced competition in the short term but had long-term opportunity.
``We believe that Xbox could lose around ($1 billion) ... before breaking even in (fiscal 2004) if the product is reasonably successful,\'\' she said in a note to clients.
The Xbox launches in the U.S. on Nov. 15, in Japan in February and in Europe in March. Three days after the Xbox\'s U.S. launch, Nintendo Co Ltd. will launch its new console, the GameCube, in the United States.
Those two new consoles will compete with the already established PlayStation 2 from Sony Corp. , a unit analysts and industry observers expect to dominate the market this holiday season.
Microsoft has said it will spend as much as $500 million on the initial marketing for Xbox, which will retail for $299, the same price as PlayStation 2 and $100 more than the GameCube.
Microsoft had said it would have between 600,000 and 800,000 units available at launch, but later said it could not be sure. Most industry executives now expect them to ship 300,000 units at launch and 1 million to 1.5 million by year\'s end.
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And yet no one expected Sony to sell 3 million PS2 between November and the end of December! With the rising tide of PS2 owners, most of them won\'t go multiconsole. Remember, the majority of console owners are casual gamers with one console per generation.
If MS doesn\'t break even by 2004, say bye bye MSBox. Since last fall, Sony has been making a profit from the PS2 console alone + royalties from games. And when PS2 price drops this Spring, since they can afford to, expect MORE PS2 sales to take the market share away from MS! That\'s good news, doncha think? :D
Life is good. Sony rules.
TAKE THAT BYATCH! :D
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didn\'t change the fact that I was an assinine idiot.
im merely gloating
to do this on a msxbox forum, now thats pitifull
basically, we\'re saying "who was right all along"
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It\'s not over, and even if the PS2 does have the most units sold at the end of the generation does it really matter. I sure as hell don\'t care. I don\'t think any rational person really though MS could usurp Sony in two months.
This isn\'t a race to the end of the month. It wasn\'t intil the final year of the 16bit era that SNES finally outpaced Genesis. The Genesis was beating quite handedly until about the 3rd year. MS has been out for 2 and a half months.
How long did it take for IE to overtake Netscrap? Several years. You know it might not even be until teh generation after this that xbox takes over. It might not ever happen, but I know one thing, it hasn\'t been this interesting in quite a while.
With MS\'s determination, $$ and track record, counting them out when by EVERY report the xbox is exceeding expectations is premature.
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but it is about length of time.
a year old console selling more than two new ones combined?
thats disgusting. the xbox better start selling more units, or it will end up like the 3DO
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Originally posted by mm
but it is about length of time.
a year old console selling more than two new ones combined?
thats disgusting. the xbox better start selling more units, or it will end up like the 3DO
Do you remember how long it took the original PS to overtake? I believe it was somewhere around 18 months, maybe a little less. Once it caught on, everyone had to have one...and look what happened to the new comer in the console business...
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overtake what? the SNES? sega saturn?
the PS1 revolutionized gaming as we knew it. it blew away ALL efforts before. what is xbox doing? beefing up the graphics a little, nothing more. a miniscule difference. something we\'de expect for a console coming out a year later. the xbox was hyped as the PS2 killer, the be all-end all of gaming. it i feel it fell way short of that
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Originally posted by mm
overtake what? the SNES? sega saturn?
the PS1 revolutionized gaming as we knew it. it blew away ALL efforts before. what is xbox doing? beefing up the graphics a little, nothing more. a miniscule difference. something we\'de expect for a console coming out a year later.
This all sounds way too familiar. Having been a huge DC fan, I remember the exact same arguements against DC and PS2.
The PS1 didn\'t "revolutionize" gaming. It merely raised the bar...Revolutionize is a big word, and I don\'t think it applies to any console...
And how long did it take before the gaming public realized that PS1 was were its\' at? And what brought about this "revolution" as you name it. What other than the games, the PS had an amazing, original, and diverse line of games that could suit anyone\'s taste.
And what happens to be your idea of miniscule? Like I said before, I still don\'t see a PS2 game coming close to Halo or DOA3.
the xbox was hyped as the PS2 killer, the be all-end all of gaming. it i feel it fell way short of that
Could it have been your own perception or expectations that weren\'t met, I think so. The media/gamers hyped it...Everyone had their own idea of what Xbox was going to be. I remained pessimestic after what I thought was a piss poor performance of what is PS2...but Xbox suprised the hell out of me and I couldn\'t have asked for anything more.
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Truth be told the xbox is selling along the same line as the PS2 did in the States and it has a much better lineup of games. And I\'ll second the opinion that there has been nothing like Halo on PS2 and nothing nearly as pretty as DOA3 (let\'s not get into a gameplay debate). Then you look at games coming out in Feb/march and since graphics are the only thing we can talk about for those games--the PS2 can\'t touch them. Compare two month old PS2 games to xbox games today. There is none.
The xbox doesn\'t need to sell any more consoles, it\'s doing fine so long as it keeps up.
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i said the PS1 revolutiuonized gaming, not the PS2
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oops, I meant the PS1...
I\'ll go back and edit...
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PSX did revolutionize console gaming.
No one had ever played a 3D fighting game before....until Battle Arena Toshinden. No one had ever played a true 3D flying game before, until Warhawk and Ace Combat came out. No one had ever played a true 3D racing game before...until Wipeout was released. Those were amazing games for its time. Revolutionary.
Say it with me...RE-VO-LU-TION-ARY! :D
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
PSX did revolutionize console gaming.
No one had ever played a 3D fighting game before....until Battle Arena Toshinden. No one had ever played a true 3D flying game before, until Warhawk and Ace Combat came out. No one had ever played a true 3D racing game before...until Wipeout was released. Those were amazing games for its time. Revolutionary.
Say it with me...RE-VO-LU-TION-ARY! :D
Evolution...merely the next step. And your mistaken...Virtua Fighter was the first 3D fighting game way before PSX was about. 3D racing? try virtua racing...again, way before PSX was out.
And I might be wrong, but didn\'t Saturn launch in Japan before PSX and had Virtua Fighter as a launch game? This is irrelevant though...
PSX was not the first to do 3D...that\'s my point.
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Virtua Fighter "looked" 3D. But in no way did it play 3D. No sidestepping feature. Both opponents were on an "invisible narrow stage". Play it again, you\'ll see.
Virtua Racing....ah...yes, you\'re right. On Arcade. I do believe the console version was just a shadow of the actual game. You\'re better off saying "Sega Rally". That, I\'ll give to you.
But still, PSX was revolutionary. If you don\'t think so, than nothing\'s been revolutionary since NES.
We are talking about console here, not arcades. Correct?
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NES was not even revolutionary...
But my point stands...PSX was not the first to introduce 3D.
So why is it revolutionary again?
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It was the first to bring it to the mainstream.
Sure you can say revolutionize this and that, but it\'s not the fault of the hardware, it\'s the fault of the devs. Plus, I\'m not sure there\'s anything left to be introduced.
The xbox looks like it\'ll bring the first online plan that works. It introduced a HD to get over many of the hurdles that the DC couldn\'t.
mm you are all about bashing the xbox and GC, but your pride and joy the PS2 hasn\'t been doing anything good for the industry since it was released. What has the PS2 done that is new? Nothing that comes to mind.
You can hate the xbox and the GC but you can\'t in the same sentence praise the PS2, because the PS2 has been the sequel and rehash machine and that\'s the truth.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
It was the first to bring it to the mainstream.
Wasn\'t the first=no revolution.
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Yes it was--PC gaming isn\'t mainstream.
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Wasn\'t the FIRST to bring 3D games to the public...still no revolution...
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Mainstream, it\'s all about mainstream.
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So we agree it wasn\'t a revolution?
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Console-wise, the PSX was revolutionary.
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Revolution is something that is completely original or new. Being that the thought and execution of 3D was about (mode 7, Fx chip, computers) before PSX, the PSX could not be dubbed completley original or new in the idea of 3D. Making it just an evolution like I stated earlier...
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I can\'t believe your debating with an ICP fan
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mm you are all about bashing the xbox and GC, but your pride and joy the PS2
pfft, someone tell this man what my favorite console is
*hint* ryu in hong kong
it really amazes me that people STILL refuse to realize that i would bash on sony too, if they gave me more reasons to and less A+ games to take up my time
evolutionary? if thats the case, then NOTHING has been revolutionary since atari. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Bozco
I can\'t believe your debating with an ICP fan
That\'s like saying "I can\'t believe I\'m responding to someone from Ohio"...
It\'s irrelevant...
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Originally posted by Ginko
That\'s like saying "I can\'t believe I\'m responding to someone from Ohio"...
It\'s irrelevant...
Sorry, but I can\'t imagine an ICP fan having anything intelligent to say, maybe your different, I\'ll just keep an eye on you and maybe you can prove me wrong
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Originally posted by mm
evolutionary? if thats the case, then NOTHING has been revolutionary since atari. :rolleyes:
That\'s the problem with Gecko. He can\'t seem to understand that we\'re talking about consoles. He keeps bringing up PCs and arcades.
He won\'t admit that the PSX is his daddy!
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Originally posted by Bozco
Sorry, but I can\'t imagine an ICP fan having anything intelligent to say, maybe your different, I\'ll just keep an eye on you and maybe you can prove me wrong
You just stereotyped everyone who likes ICP...
Once again, I could come back and say the same thing about people from Ohio. I don\'t know them, but I\'ll go ahead and put a label on them...
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I know what I did, oh and go ahead and label Ohio, really I couldn\'t give a ****. The difference though is I have seen ICP fans and have heard there music, and I\'m basing it all off of that but you yourself said you would be judging ohio even though you have never meet an Ohioan
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lol, the couse of this thread is hilarious
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Originally posted by Bozco
I know what I did, oh and go ahead and label Ohio, really I couldn\'t give a ****. The difference though is I have seen ICP fans and have heard there music, and I\'m basing it all off of that but you yourself said you would be judging ohio even though you have never meet an Ohioan
I was being sarcastic, trying to show you were you went wrong.
Have you seen all ICP fans? You haven\'t seen me, so how can you judge me? Why should you judge me based on the music I occasionally listen too?
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Originally posted by mm
pfft, someone tell this man what my favorite console is
*hint* ryu in hong kong
I see...
(And its RYO...)
:fro: :fro: :fro:
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i know, i know
i just noticed it now, when i saw my typo
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mm i\'m tired of you making yourself look like your muli-console, sure you may own an xbox, but i\'ve been reading for the last 2 years your posts, and your all pro PS2--PLAIN and SIMPLE!
Why is it that you think, people keep accusing you of being a XBOX basher, all you do is praise PS2 and put XBOX down all the time.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Mainstream, it\'s all about mainstream.
Watchdog makes a point.
Often times, when touting a successful 32/64 bit game as revolutionary, one is suddenly cornered by the owner of a ridiculous number of gaming machines, many of them being horrendously obscure. They then point out a game on this obscure console that is more revolutionary than the 32/64 bit game in point. It is then that someone must point out to them that, while that game indeed did come up with the idea first, it wasn\'t the game that successfully revolutionized gaming, because it was not mainstream. If someone coincidentally came up with the exact same concept for a game as Metal Gear Solid and produced it prior to MGS\'s release, would that game be the revolutionary one? Of course not; Metal Gear Solid was the game that a substantial number of people bought into. Even if someone else came up with the idea first.
If two people make an idea, and one is successful and the other isn\'t, the successful idea is the one that revolutionized, regardless of whether or not it was first. There were three dimensional games prior to the Playstation, but there was never before a system entirely devoted to that genre of game making. It was revolutionary in the sense that it was a successful machine, that truly forced a 3D revolution; nothing before that hit the mainstream in the proper way.
Don\'t confuse the terms "Innovative" and "Revolutionary."
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Why is it that you think, people keep accusing you of being a XBOX basher, all you do is praise PS2 and put XBOX down all the time
*yawn*
theres only one company i dont bash, sega
the PS2 has too many A+ games for me to bash it
if anything, im a sega whore. better write that down so you dont forget, kid
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Originally posted by M4
There were three dimensional games prior to the Playstation, but there was never before a system entirely devoted to that genre of game making. It was revolutionary in the sense that it was a successful machine, that truly forced a 3D revolution; nothing before that hit the mainstream in the proper way.
Don\'t confuse the terms "Innovative" and "Revolutionary."
I agree that it was part of the 3D movement, I never debated that. The machine itself was not revolutionary...
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Yes, yes it was. While it wasn\'t the first machine to produce 3D videogames, it was the machine that brought about the 3D movement, therefore inspiring a revolution, and being revolutionary. It wasn\'t the innovator, but it was what inspired the revolution.
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Originally posted by M4
Yes, yes it was. While it wasn\'t the first machine to produce 3D videogames, it was the machine that brought about the 3D movement, therefore inspiring a revolution, and being revolutionary. It wasn\'t the innovator, but it was what inspired the revolution.
I don\'t agree with this...it was one of the machines...
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Okay. Name one of the other systems that truly inspired a complete turnover to 3D games.
And read the book \'Revolutionaries at Sony\' by Reiji Asakura. Fun stuff.
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Originally posted by M4
Okay. Name one of the other systems that truly inspired a complete turnover to 3D games.
And read the book \'Revolutionaries at Sony\' by Reiji Asakura. Fun stuff.
PS didn\'t inspire, 3D was the next step. The idea of 3D was being implemented back in the SNES days, it was obviously what the next generation would bring.
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If it weren\'t for Sony, 2 dimensional systems may have continued for a longer time span than they did. Three 3D games on SNES weren\'t enough to make everyone thirst for nothing but 3D. Look at the Saturn; it was initially intended to be a 2D platform. It would\'ve undoubtedly been one, if it weren\'t for the PSX\'s forcing a 3D revolution to take place.
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Originally posted by M4
If it weren\'t for Sony, 2 dimensional systems may have continued for a longer time span than they did. Three 3D games on SNES weren\'t enough to make everyone thirst for nothing but 3D.
They technology wasn\'t there to make it full force. The games didn\'t come out until it\'s last year or two. It showed that the ideas were there...
Look at the Saturn; it was initially intended to be a 2D platform. It would\'ve undoubtedly been one, if it weren\'t for the PSX\'s forcing a 3D revolution to take place.
What about the N64? Was that intended to be 2D? I don\'t know that and I doubt you do...
All I\'m trying to get across to you is that PS did not single handedly bring about 3D and "force" a "revolution".
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Originally posted by mm
*yawn*
theres only one company i dont bash, sega
the PS2 has too many A+ games for me to bash it
if anything, im a sega whore. better write that down so you dont forget, kid
Hey mm where does your love for Sega come from?
I was very reluctant to by a Dreamcast, that\'s why it took me so long. I have had the master system, Genesis, sega CD, which Sega bailed out on. I went with the PSone instead of the saturn, which turned out to be a good choice.
After spending thousands of dollars on games and machines , I really didn\'t want to support Sega anymore. Only after i read that they will continue to make games for the DC did I buy one.
I really liked the Genesis and Sega cd, there were some nice games for that system.
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Even if Nintendo 64 would\'ve forced the revolution if the PSX didn\'t exist, that doesn\'t change the fact that it was the PSX that did force the revolution.
During the planning of the original Playstation, software houses said that 3D computer graphics would not happen for another ten years. It was determined at that point that developers would not be able to cost-effectively produce 3D games for an extraordinarily long period of time. At this point, an arcade machine incorporating 3D graphics would be ludicrously expensive, costing anywhere around 18 thousand dollars. Sony made a console designed to cheaply and effectively produce 3 dimensional games before many of the 3D games on 2D consoles came into existance; software developers still found it to be unbelievable. Those games (Virtua Fighter, for instance) were the ones that made software developers look back towards the PSX, seeing it as a great method for getting 3 dimensional CD based games on the market.
Which is also noteworthy: While N64 would have promoted 3D graphics, and Saturn would have promoted the CD format as standard, the PSX was the only system to incorporate each from the start.
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Originally posted by NPYYZ
Hey mm where does your love for Sega come from?
I was very reluctant to by a Dreamcast, that\'s why it took me so long. I have had the master system, Genesis, sega CD, which Sega bailed out on. I went with the PSone instead of the saturn, which turned out to be a good choice.
After spending thousands of dollars on games and machines , I really didn\'t want to support Sega anymore. Only after i read that they will continue to make games for the DC did I buy one.
I really liked the Genesis and Sega cd, there were some nice games for that system.
IMO, Sega games can\'t be touched. They are highly innovative, original and great at what they do. It\'s all about the games...
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if anything, im a sega whore. better write that down so you dont forget, kid
What\'s the point, we have heard you say that many times before, but non the less it\'s still obvious you are pro PS2.
Keep up the good work bashing and starting up threads where you ***** and moan about XBOX all day long.
contoller is too big, Microsoft losing money(no shlt sherlock, it\'s like that for ever console, so why bother to bring it up, cause you just want another acuse to bltch about the XBOX )
whenever there is anything negative about XBOX your always there to explot it to it\'s fullest(opps spelling error)
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Originally posted by M4
Even if Nintendo 64 would\'ve forced the revolution if the PSX didn\'t exist, that doesn\'t change the fact that it was the PSX that did force the revolution.
You keep saying "forced." I still think it was merely the next step and where games were headed. Developers ideas evolved and were soon into 3D. No revolution...
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Originally posted by M4
During the planning of the original Playstation, software houses said that 3D computer graphics would not happen for another ten years. It was determined at that point that developers would not be able to cost-effectively produce 3D games for an extraordinarily long period of time. At this point, an arcade machine incorporating 3D graphics would be ludicrously expensive, costing anywhere around 18 thousand dollars. Sony made a console designed to cheaply and effectively produce 3 dimensional games before many of the 3D games on 2D consoles came into existance; software developers still found it to be unbelievable. Those games (Virtua Fighter, for instance) were the ones that made software developers look back towards the PSX, seeing it as a great method for getting 3 dimensional CD based games on the market.
Which is also noteworthy: While N64 would have promoted 3D graphics, and Saturn would have promoted the CD format as standard, the PSX was the only system to incorporate each from the start. [/B]
Sounds credible...this would take alot of links to some very old info to convince me...
Either way, I still don\'t buy it...
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Sounds credible...this would take alot of links to some very old info to convince me...
"Revolutionaries at Sony" by Reiji Asakura is the source.
I frankly don\'t like the book. One, it\'s a book about a videogame industry; not something that is really interesting. Two, it fails to look into the points of views of more than just individuals from Sony itself. As a book, it isn\'t exactly great. It\'s like that book "Game Over," which covered the history of Nintendo. Except it is nowhere near as good. Regardless, there was a lot of research and interviewing behind the writing of it; it\'s a decent source for information in arguments and such. Anyway.. page 60 and 61 would be where those particular figures were located.
But oh well. Lets try not to expand this argument any further than it need be. I didn\'t even need to bring up those concepts. Lets keep this conversation like an Imac: Simple and stupid.
You keep saying "forced." I still think it was merely the next step and where games were headed. Developers ideas evolved and were soon into 3D. No revolution...
If it didn\'t cause the revolution, something else would\'ve. But it is what caused the revolution--that\'s the point.
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Originally posted by M4
If it didn\'t cause the revolution, something else would\'ve. But it is what caused the revolution--that\'s the point.
I still don\'t see it as a revolution...plain and simple evolution.
Check your PM\'s in a sec, ok?
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It was bound to happen eventually. That just happens to be the thing that led it to happen first. It\'s like a human being that is growing; the person will naturally get taller as they get older, but through eating certain foods, they will get taller faster, and it is because of those foods that they did get taller at a greater rapidity. The gaming industry was headed in that direction, but it was the Playstation that put it in that direction at the rate it did; it is like the food that made the person get taller. Even without it, the industry still would\'ve become what it eventually became. But that\'s the thing that brought it to the point it did at the speed it did, regardless of whether or not it would\'ve happened otherwise.
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whenever there is anything negative about XBOX your always there to explot it to it\'s fullest
of course, i havent been this let down by a console since [yer REALLY gonna love this one], the atari jaguar
loads and loads of hype and not much to show for it. one killer at, and some B titles. the jag had tempest 2000 and alien vs predator, and that was about it
any way you look at it, we like what we like and have no resource to attempt to insult each other *hint*
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"Only after i read that they will continue to make games for the DC did I buy one." - NPYYZ
Wait, lemmie get this streight. Sega announces that they\'re going to bail not only from the DC.. but from the hardware market entirely. Many games are lost in "limbo" (Propeller Arena, Shenmue II US, Headhunter US, Half-Life, ect..) and Sega offically announces that all their future development efforts are going solely towards the remaining 3 consoles in this generation... and THAT\'S when you decided it was safe to buy a DC???
ROLF.. LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL
You gotta be pretty pyssed off now eh? For someone who\'s spent "Thousands" of dollars on videogames, you sure don\'t know how to spend your money wisely. :p
Now if you had said.. "I knew the DC was being discontinued, and all support for it would halt at the end of Jan 02. However there are currently enough good games on the system to more than make a 50 dollar investment well worth my while.".. I would have given you at least a small shred of credibility back.
I bought my DC for twice what you paid.. (probably 3 times as much as even that when you add in peripherals, mem cards, games, ect.. round about 350-400 dollars) - knowing full well where the DC was headed - for just that reason which I mentioned above.
To quothe MM: "The ignorance is blinding. :cool: "
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NO! NO!
you gotta post the pic with the statement for the full effect!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psx2central.com%2F%7Ejoseph%2Fmyeyes.jpg&hash=961c992a939c605686152ecafdef8bc6ecd8e299)
The ignorance is blinding!
:)
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So sorry sensi, I see I still have much to learn. *bows*
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Ginko, your focusing too much on the machine itself... look at what PSX (and anything to d with the PSX) did for the industry.. gaming was NOT mainstream before PSX, and it took a few years after it was relewased before it did become mainstream...
before PSX was released videogames were considered a nerdy hobby (not even a hobby) now they have a turnover exceeding the film industry (although i doubt that includes porno\'s :p) and everybody is into videogames..
you think this is just evolution?? its easy to say something is merely evoltion in hindsight "ohh, people get tired playing Ping Pong, an electronic version was merely the next step, NOT revolutionary, just evolution taking place" you are being naive and too strong on your convictions trying to make a point
PSX REVOLUTIONISED THE INDUSTRY, the gaming community had been slowly evolving from Rich Kids >> Kids >> Nerds and Kids ~~ Then when the PSX is introduced >> Everyone
it had been slowly evolving before that until PSX hit..
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I WILL USE MY X-BOX TO SEND OUT TROJANS AND WORMS TO EVERY X-BOX IN THE WORLD AND IT WILL CHANGE THE NAME OF ALL THEIR CHARACTERS ON HALO TO DONKEY-RAPER
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I WILL USE MY PS2 TO LAUNCH A MISSLE AT YOUR XBOX TO END THE DONKEY-RAPERS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! DONKEY-RAPERS MUST DIE!
:D
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Edit: I think I\'ll refrain from making ridiculously stupid posts that have nothing to do with anything for a while.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
"Only after i read that they will continue to make games for the DC did I buy one." - NPYYZ
Wait, lemmie get this streight. Sega announces that they\'re going to bail not only from the DC.. but from the hardware market entirely. Many games are lost in "limbo" (Propeller Arena, Shenmue II US, Headhunter US, Half-Life, ect..) and Sega offically announces that all their future development efforts are going solely towards the remaining 3 consoles in this generation... and THAT\'S when you decided it was safe to buy a DC???
ROLF.. LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL :laughing: LOL
You gotta be pretty pyssed off now eh? For someone who\'s spent "Thousands" of dollars on videogames, you sure don\'t know how to spend your money wisely. :p
I guess i am misinformed, I was of the understanding that Sega was going to continue to make games for the DC but discotinue making consoles. If that is not the case, I am not mad about it, $50.00 for a decent console and around another $60.00 for games is not a lot of money for endless hours of gaming fun. Not to mention it is also an extra CD player, $50.00 for a CD player alone is a great price.
To answer your question from another thread, these are the games I currently have for the DC.
Tomb Raider - last revelation
Tomb Raider - Chronicles
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Code Veronica
Daytona USA
Test Drive Le Mans
NFL 2K1
Sonic adventure - but it won\'t load
My main reason for buying a DC is the Resident Evil games,. I am a huge fan of those games and the graphics are much better on the DC then on the PSone. I will be spending more of my money on a Game Cube when the Resident evil series comes out for that system. I have read tha Capcom is going to only do the Resident evil games on the GC. Have you heard any different?
Forgot to mention to memory cards at $8.00 each
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those are your DC games??? you suck...
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Ive been reading all this crap and now Im bored. PSX in my opinion made 3D gaming what it is today, and as far as the Xbox goes I feel it was a big let down, it has a couple of good games namely Halo which will be destroyed by Timesplitters 2. Xbox willl fall on its ass in Europe because of its price and lack of software, yes its not been out long but still if they want to compete with PS2 ( never gonna happen ) they need to produce games like MGS2 , GTA3, THPS3, SH2 need I go on, no coz im still bored and Im outa here.
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"I guess i am misinformed" - NPYYZ
Damned streight you are. You\'ve been nothing but misinformed since you arrived on these boards.
"If that is not the case, I am not mad about it, $50.00 for a decent console and around another $60.00 for games is not a lot of money for endless hours of gaming fun." - NPYYZ
What\'s this "Endless gaming fun" you talk of? I thought your two month DC gaming strech ended pretty quickly when you got your Xbox??
"Tomb Raider - last revelation
Tomb Raider - Chronicles
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Code Veronica
Daytona USA
Test Drive Le Mans
NFL 2K1
Sonic adventure - but it won\'t load" - NYPPZ
TR:LR - sucks
TR:C - sucks
RE:2 - has been available on the PSX for ages
RE:3 - Also available on the PSX for ages
RE:CV - Good game.. no complaints
Daytona USA - Haven\'t played, but I hear it\'s good. I also hear it\'s online servers are down.
TD:LM - So So game.
NFL 2k1 - Good game.
SA - Good game, but hardly the best of what the DC has to offer.
Now weren\'t you also complaining about how the PS2 is filled with sequels and rehashes? Almost every game on your list is sequel, and most of them aren\'t very good. As I suspected, nothing new or innovative.. and aside from a handful of games yours are all sub-par.
My DC list...
Vigilante 8: 2nd Offence: Below average
Carrier : Crap
House of the Dead 2 : Awesome
Ecco the Dolphin : Awesome : Very difficult
Metropolis Street Racer : Good game, but not my style
Crazy Taxi : Awesome, but short
Sonic Adventure : Good game, Hardly the best though
Quake III Arena : Good game, as long as you have a KB & Mouse
Resident Evil: Code Veronica : Awesome game
Soul Calibur : Best Fighter Availaible
Phantasy Star Online (v.1 and v.2) : Good offline, Excellent online. Most addictive console game ever.
Seaman : Unique, intriuging, and innovative.. dunno if you could call it a game per~sey tho
Capcom vs. SNK : Best 2d fighter I\'ve payed in a long long time.
Jet Grind Radio : Beautiful, Fun, Difficult, Innovative.. what more could you ask from a game?
Shenmue : Sub-par by PC Adventure standards - A masterpiece for consoles. Must own.
AirForce Delta - Very fun, Still tries to make the A10 into a dogfighter. :(
The only reason I don\'t have Skies of Arcadia and Record of
Lodoss war yet is because I haven\'t been able to find them anywhere around here yet.
Oh, and I also have 4 controllers, 7 Memcards (3VMU\'s), Gameshark CDX, Vgabox, Keyboard, and Microphone.
"I will be spending more of my money on a Game Cube when the Resident evil series comes out for that system. I have read tha Capcom is going to only do the Resident evil games on the GC. Have you heard any different?" - NPYYZ
Yes. Not only did you spend too much for RE games that are available for dirt cheap on the PSX, but now you\'re going to buy them all over again just for pretty graphics?? Capcom signed an excutivity contract with Nintendo to release six Resident Evil games on the NGC. They will be RE:0, RE:1, RE:2, RE:3, RE:CV, RE:4 (or RE:Survivor 2). AFAIK, no details on the rest of the series has been given.. but I\'ve heard both ways that the remakes will all be graphically updated and that only RE:1 will recieve a facelift. It\'s unconfirmed at this point.
Even with excutivity, don\'t expect not to see the graphically updated RE\'s on other consoles such as Xbox and PS2. Capcom dosen\'t know the meaning of the word excusive as they\'ve proved countless times in the past with all of their successful franchises. RE:CV, for example, was co-developed with Sega and was exclusive to the Dreamcast... however that didn\'t stop it from being ported over to the PS2 with only a few extra costumes and 5 mins of extra footage being the only differences.
"I am a huge fan of those games and the graphics are much better on the DC then on the PSone." - NPYYZ
No they\'re not. Adding in FSAA and Texture smoothing are not huge graphical leaps. RE:2, RE:3, and DinoCrisis look nowhere near the same level of graphical detail as RE:CV. If all you wanted was minor graphical updates like those, you should have just bought Bleem for the PC.
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Originally posted by IronFist
I WILL USE MY PS2 TO LAUNCH A MISSLE AT YOUR XBOX TO END THE DONKEY-RAPERS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! DONKEY-RAPERS MUST DIE!
:D
IF YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR DONKEY AGAIN YOU WILL BRING YOUR PS2 TO LITTLE ROCK TONIGHT. NO COPS OR THE DONKEY GETS IT!
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
those are your DC games??? you suck...
You suck to asshole
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What\'s this "Endless gaming fun" you talk of? I thought your two month DC gaming strech ended pretty quickly when you got your Xbox?? -Sonyfan
I\'m done wasting my time on this message board, You people can\'t seem to understand what you read. Never did I say that i no longer use my other systems. Yes the XBOX is new to me now ,so that is getting all the use right now, But I will go back to the Dreamcast, PS2,and the PSone as well as my PC games. Of course the newer system is going to get more time when it first comes out.
bye bye all you angry people.
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hahaha, your just pissed off because Sonyfan shut you down man..
your trying to show your unbiasedness with your assinine comparison to a DC which you only have sub-standard games for...
pathetic..
[edit] Sonyfan wasnt even being an angry person he was trying to just have a respectable debate/discussion with you, myself, i was just joking around saying that you could have much better games..
nobody here has been angry except for you, we have all been laughing at you..
~ simple
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Originally posted by IronFist
I WILL USE MY PS2 TO LAUNCH A MISSLE AT YOUR XBOX TO END THE DONKEY-RAPERS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! DONKEY-RAPERS MUST DIE!
:D
:laughing: IronFist you keep bashing the Xbox WHY? Not only here. Aren\'t you buying one later?
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This happens with every console I see no reason why MM would post this. Looks to me like he is begging to be flamed.
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micro$ost - money = me happy
im sure steven jobs is smiling more than i am
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Originally posted by pstwo
:laughing: IronFist you keep bashing the Xbox WHY? Not only here. Aren\'t you buying one later?
Me? Bashing the Xbox? Where?
I don\'t have anything against the Xbox, but the Donkey-Rapers MUST DIE!!! :D
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Originally posted by mm
micro$ost - money = me happy
im sure steven jobs is smiling more than i am
well ms is worth 400billion if them losing a few pennies makes you smile toot on my friend. You have reached and all new low with this thread.
You posted a industry practice as a bash against xbox. M&M come on dood your better than this.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
toot on my friend
what the **** is your caper???
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ok guys, im tired of people whining
tell me the last time, that the console debate forum had topics with 4 pages!
obviously, they interest you enough to keep replying, and means thier succesfull
im a devils advocate, always have. i absolutley love engaging people into intelligent discussions. sadly, this is the 1st time ive gotten a few in a while. i usually get people like docwiz and trunitus spewing thier filth. if that makes me a troll, then so be it. at least i do it in my own forum, and NOT elsewhere. i abhore people that go to forums hell bent on creating hostility. i merely push thier rational thoughts. all except, Eiksirf. i dont think ill ever break his loyalty to nintendo as much as i try. :)
watchdog and ginko have admirably stated thier beliefs, although they conflict with mine. thats what makes the world go \'round.
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Gecko\'s problem is that he won\'t accept that the PSX revolutionized console gaming. From what was once a kid\'s toy, PSX brought gaming all the way to the adults - with its more mature games and 3D graphics and sound quality. Hell, it even played VCDs if you had the attachment(quite popular in Asia)!
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Originally posted by mm
watchdog and ginko have admirably stated thier beliefs, although they conflict with mine. thats what makes the world go \'round.
Actually, I think that\'s gravity.
-Eik