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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: burbecks on January 24, 2002, 11:00:08 AM
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I read CS2x\'s post & dispite the fact that everyone seemed to disagree I also have heard these rumors & read the edge post he is talking about. Maybe the Atari will make a comeback with infograms????????
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Ok, that\'d be a BAD comeback. I think we have enough controversey in the console market today.
M$ thought they could do just as well if not better because they make Winblows, but they aren\'t. And from what people (such as mm) have stated, they are loosing money on EACH CONSOLE THEY SELL. It\'s in plain english and common sence. How can they market something that has nVidia\'s GF3, 64MB of DDR memory, 8GB HDD, motherboard, and an Intel PIII 733Mhz processor at $299? It ain\'t possible. That\'s why it\'s going to take years before they start seeing pennies in their bank account.
Atari had better have a lot of money and a stable foundation if they want to pull something off successfully this time around, especially in today\'s market. M$, Nintendo, and Sony will eat em alive if they don\'t succeed.
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Originally posted by jm
Ok, that\'d be a BAD comeback. I think we have enough controversey in the console market today.
M$ thought they could do just as well if not better because they make Winblows, but they aren\'t. And from what people (such as mm) have stated, they are loosing money on EACH CONSOLE THEY SELL. It\'s in plain english and common sence. How can they market something that has nVidia\'s GF3, 64MB of DDR memory, 8GB HDD, motherboard, and an Intel PIII 733Mhz processor at $299? It ain\'t possible. That\'s why it\'s going to take years before they start seeing pennies in their bank account.
All consoles have sold for less than they cost to make...ALL! Sony just started to make money off the PS2...M$ doesn\'t expect to make money for about 5 years, but they get their name on the market, a fanbase, and win over some developers in the long run...this will amount to Xbox 2(hope it\'s not called that).
And by the way, Xbox is doing very well. With US numbers only, they are about where PS2 was in the same time frame. (US only)
PS2 launched in Nov 2000, sold 1.3 million by Jan. 2001.
Xbox launched Nov 2001, sold 1.5 million by Jan. 2002.
Looks to be right on track...wouldn\'t you say?
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jm, if you don\'t understand anything about the industry prehaps you shouldn\'t make posts that claim that you do.
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there\'s no room for a 4th console
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Don\'t you mean 3?
When did 3 consoles ever duke it out to the end?
NES vs SMS
Genesis vs SNES
Saturn vs PS vs N64
DC vs PS vs N64
DC vs PS2
PS2 vs GC vs XBox
History will repeat itself...
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There is room for 3 consoles--the industry is much bigger than it was even two years ago. More people are playing games than ever before.
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Watchdog, that was my vision on what I see today. Some information being factual and some being my own opinion. It shouldn\'t take me pointing out to you that it is my opinion. Certain catch phrases and clues should indicate it was my 2 cents into the topic, so just lay off.
Atari being a division of Midway (no?) would have to have a lot of developer support and a lot of money to become as successful as Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony to compete. If they don\'t have a stable developer base, decent hardware, and a clear future in front of them, they will fail.
I know that when a specific company releases X product it will take time to make profit.
How about you go check out that good article on Gamespot.com and read up on Atari\'s history, you\'ll see what I mean.
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Sure if you like to post in ignorance go ahead.
The fact that MS is losing money on every console shouldn\'t be noteworthy (it has always been that way with consoles), shouldn\'t be a cause for concern, shouldn\'t need to be printed in all caps, and definitely shouldn\'t be in red type (and "sence" shouldn\'t be written like that).
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M$ thought they could do just as well if not better because they make Winblows, but they aren\'t. And from what people (such as mm) have stated, they are loosing money on EACH CONSOLE THEY SELL. It\'s in plain english and common sence. How can they market something that has nVidia\'s GF3, 64MB of DDR memory, 8GB HDD, motherboard, and an Intel PIII 733Mhz processor at $299? It ain\'t possible. That\'s why it\'s going to take years before they start seeing pennies in their bank account.
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You obviously don\'t know how the industry works or you wouldn\'t have made a post like this. It takes every console maker years to make money.
And I don\'t need to read up on Atari\'s history, my comment wasn\'t in favour of a comeback, I was just setting you straight.
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jm = old school
he know exactly how things run. no matter how much defending the xbox gets, it will NEVER, EVER surpass the PS2.
now that i own one, i can go as far as to say the xbox is a hype FAILURE! out a year after the PS2, more powerfull, and even adding the sales of GC\'s, the PS2 is still selling more.
after beating halo, i havent touched my xbox. where\'s the A+ titles?
/me does a litttle dance as the xbox zealouts rage
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Originally posted by mm
jm = old school
he know exactly how things run. no matter how much defending the xbox gets, it will NEVER, EVER surpass the PS2.
now that i own one, i can go as far as to say the xbox is a hype FAILURE! out a year after the PS2, more powerfull, and even adding the sales of GC\'s, the PS2 is still selling more.
Hype failure? In what way? Let\'s discuss this...
after beating halo, i havent touched my xbox. where\'s the A+ titles?
/me does a litttle dance as the xbox zealouts rage [/B]
They\'re coming...If you need reminding, PS2 didn\'t have a steady flow of AAA games for several months after launch...
Xbox has...Wreckless, Jet Grind Radio, Brute Force, House of the Dead 3, Elderscrolls, Gun Valkerie, Unreal Championship, Sega GT 2002, Genma Onimusha and a few others due by the end of March.
Some look to have that AAA potential...
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mm you are quite the troll. Go argue with tshirts.
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nah, ill wait instead for you to disprove me
:)
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Originally posted by mm
nah, ill wait instead for you to disprove me
:)
How can you be disproven when you haven\'t proven anything?
Give some reasons for thinking that Xbox was a "hype failure", then we can debate it...as for now, you got nothin\'...
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oh a wise guy huh?
nyuk nyuk!
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So I take it you have nothing? ;)
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no, you edited yer post after i posted my reply
anyways, the xbox was "supposed" to be the 2nd coming of the video game christ. now, whats it doing? shooting for the silver medal. 2nd place is 1st loser, and nintendo knows this as well
xbox developers had a whole year+ to furhter develop thier games. look at oddworld, was supposed to be out on PS2. they took OVER a year to port it to xbox, and guess what, it sux0rs. nice try infogrames, take yer foot out of yer mouth now for leaving sony. dont get me started on halo. it took a PC port, how long to polish 30 fps?
speaking of ports. am i the only one sick of seeing them? we got halo, 2-3 original games that are B level at best, and the rest are ports. gr0an.
and if my friend says to me while playing co-op halo, "havent we been thru here twice already?", i swear im driving to redmond and killing mr gates with my tired, cramped hands
:mad:
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Originally posted by mm
no, you edited yer post after i posted my reply
anyways, the xbox was "supposed" to be the 2nd coming of the video game christ. now, whats it doing? shooting for the silver medal. 2nd place is 1st loser, and nintendo knows this as well
Who said this, was it an official announcement I missed? The PS2 was riding hot on the heels of the PS and had a whole 19 months to itself (DC doesn\'t count). I wouldn\'t expect PS2 to have any less in sales...
xbox developers had a whole year+ to furhter develop thier games. look at oddworld, was supposed to be out on PS2. they took OVER a year to port it to xbox, and guess what, it sux0rs. nice try infogrames, take yer foot out of yer mouth now for leaving sony. dont get me started on halo. it took a PC port, how long to polish 30 fps?
You are the ONLY person I\'ve seen complain about Halo. Time restraints are a ***** huh? Why didn\'t Gran Turismo have more cars, oh yes. Time restraints...get over it already. It was a launch game for crying out loud. Expect better from 2nd generation software. And I would also like to add that Xbox has a really impressive lineup for how young it is. Do we need to get into the PS2 launches to settle this?
As for Munch, I like it. But niether one of us speak for everyone else...
speaking of ports. am i the only one sick of seeing them? we got halo, 2-3 original games that are B level at best, and the rest are ports. gr0an.
Name all the ports please. I can think of Madden, SSX tricky, Silent Hill 2... I can name alot more exclusives than ports for the Xbox.
and what is the deciding factor of what a "level B" game is, or for that matter what a "level A" game is...
The system is only 10 weeks old! Once again, need we bring up PS2 lackluster launch and the time it took to get a steady flow of good games out?
and if my friend says to me while playing co-op halo, "havent we been thru here twice already?", i swear im driving to redmond and killing mr gates with my tired, cramped hands
This one I can\'t help you with, as I have the same complaint. But I can overlook it and still enjoy the game...
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ok, heres what it comes down to
im SO glad i didnt pay full price for my xbox, cause i\'d be pissed
im VERY dissapointed so far
i beat halo, and turned it off
there it sits mocking me
oh more ports
Max Payne
Nhl 2002
NFL 2k2
Simpsons road rage
Nascar heat
mx 2002
airforce delta
4x4 evolution
phew...
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You don\'t like it, that\'s fine. It\'s your opinion...It doesn\'t make the Xbox a "hype failure"...You still haven\'t explained this to me.
So it didn\'t live up to your expectations, it blew mine away.
As for ports against originals/exclusives. There\'s still no arguement...
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dont you think a console that came out over a year after another one, should TOTALLY blow the one out of the water?
sony sold well over 20 million PS2\'s last year. do you see micro$oft achieving this?
so like we agreed then, we got one A+ killer app, and a bunch medioche titles, and lots of ports with or without slightly better graphics.
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Originally posted by mm
2nd place is 1st loser, and nintendo knows this as well
Hey, what the -- why if I were Hiroshi Yamauchi I would smack you!
And then hold the grudge against you until I died. ;]
Hey, by the way, wasn\'t "2nd place" your old screen name?
-Eik
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Originally posted by mm
dont you think a console that came out over a year after another one, should TOTALLY blow the one out of the water?
In what aspects? Graphics? Games? Lineup? I haven\'t seen one game on PS2 that looks anything close to Halo. Same for Dead or Alive 3. And the upcoming lineup looks even more impressive.
And did PS2 TOTALLY blow DC out of the water at first. I remember many arguements that PS2 was only slighty better than DC. Look at it now and the PS2 has proved it is better (graphics wise)
sony sold well over 20 million PS2\'s last year. do you see micro$oft achieving this?
XBOX IS 10 WEEKS OLD. It\'s already sold almost 2 million consoles. Do I see MS acheiving PS2 sales? Can I see the future?
so like we agreed then, we got one A+ killer app, and a bunch medioche titles, and lots of ports with or without slightly better graphics.
Sounds alot like the PS2 launches doesn\'t it? And look what they acheived...
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In what aspects?
Sales. I think it\'s pretty obvious he means sales.
XBOX IS 10 WEEKS OLD. It\'s already sold almost 2 million consoles.
And his point is that in the same 10 WEEKS, Playstation has sold more than 2 million consoles.
Xbox and that other Nintendo system, whatever that one\'s called, have not yet been able to match the PS2 in sales. That\'s what a console war is about. Anyway, it continues and I\'ll agree with you that you can\'t see the future.
I can, though, and it involves me playing more Smash Bros. :)
-Eik
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
In what aspects?
Sales. I think it\'s pretty obvious he means sales.
XBOX IS 10 WEEKS OLD. It\'s already sold almost 2 million consoles.
And his point is that in the same 10 WEEKS, Playstation has sold more than 2 million consoles.
Xbox and that other Nintendo system, whatever that one\'s called, have not yet been able to match the PS2 in sales. That\'s what a console war is about. Anyway, it continues and I\'ll agree with you that you can\'t see the future.
I can, though, and it involves me playing more Smash Bros. :)
-Eik
First of all, there weren\'t 2 million conosoles available for launch. There were only about 1.5 million all the way through Dec. and they sold through them...
Second, PS2 has a huge lineup and can of course meet more peoples needs. The casual gamer doesn\'t buy a console they know very little about and with such a small library of games. And the casual gamer makes up a big portion of sales later in a consoles life...
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i lub joo Eik!
[sass]now what did i tell you about making rational sense![/sass]
*oh and dont forget the holy shortage on PS2\'s for its 1st 4 months. dont believe the hype, xbox DID NOT sell out. i always saw them in abundance at stores. 800$ package preorders? BWUHAHAHAHAHA!
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*oh and dont forget the holy shortage on PS2\'s for its 1st 4 months. dont believe the hype, xbox DID NOT sell out. i always saw them in abundance at stores. 800$ package preorders? BWUHAHAHAHAHA!
This could turn into a big "what if" debate...
And what hype, no one said or announced Xbox sold out. It was clearly stated that they sold 1.5 million by the end of Dec.
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[devil\'s advocate] For what it\'s worth, it was also clearly stated that Xbox was the first console to allow 4-player action. [/devil\'s advocate]
-Eik
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
[devil\'s advocate] For what it\'s worth, it was also clearly stated that Xbox was the first console to allow 4-player action. [/devil\'s advocate]
-Eik
Where/when was this??
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Let me say that I don\'t like to link to things, I just remember them and say them when it comes up, you know?
But since you wouldn\'t believe me if I told you, I went to find it again.
The site it was on was: http://ca.msn.com/xbox.ashx
Unfortunately, I don\'t see a way to view past updates, but I do have the nintendorks.com response to the article here:
(Dear Nintendorks,)
http://ca.msn.com/xbox.ashx
Look at the first paragraph, tell me if you notice anything strange about it ;) - BigBagMan
Brandon: "The first console to allow 4 players to play at one time."...****ing morons.
I know a kid that screen grabbed it so if you really need it, I can get it for you. Of course it\'s a trivial thing so I know you\'ll just believe me and move on. ;]
-Eik
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I\'ve lost all respect for you mm. I never thought you were a troll the likes ign.ps2 have never known.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I\'ve lost all respect for you mm. I never thought you were a troll the likes ign.ps2 have never known.
So mm bashes the hell out of Nintendo for years and no one cares. Then he talks bad about Microsoft for a day or two and people start freaking out.
Who\'s the one who gives out double-standard awards?
-Eik
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I really disliked the N64, thought it was a terrible console. I haven\'t been that impressed with the GC. I see no reason to defend it. People like the GC and Nintendo\'s style and that is fine, but it\'s not for me.
You will notice, however, that I\'ve never said anything deragatory about GC--I\'ve even defended it on a few occasions, but all and all it\'s not for me.
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Originally posted by mm
jm = old school
he know exactly how things run. no matter how much defending the xbox gets, it will NEVER, EVER surpass the PS2.
now that i own one, i can go as far as to say the xbox is a hype FAILURE! out a year after the PS2, more powerfull, and even adding the sales of GC\'s, the PS2 is still selling more.
after beating halo, i havent touched my xbox. where\'s the A+ titles?
/me does a litttle dance as the xbox zealouts rage
Who cares what you think MM, you are just a giant brain fart that doesn\'t know anything but Bias.
Its 15 months later after PS2 launch, and only six months ago did it get some great games. The Xbox has great games out of the gate and more coming like wreckless, Brute Force, The Unseen, Jet Set Radio Future, Gunvalkyre, GT 2002 and tons of other games that are coming but not shown yet and then there is the online factor.
Its not like anyone cares if you are happy and that you are an idiot. I really don\'t care about simple minded people. I care for people that are worth caring about and that doesn\'t include you.
I don\'t mean to sound cynical, but honestly, if you died tomorrow, I wouldn\'t even notice. You are just another simple minded person and we have enough of those kind of people on our planet as many have witnessed after Sept 11th.
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
So mm bashes the hell out of Nintendo for years and no one cares. Then he talks bad about Microsoft for a day or two and people start freaking out.
Who\'s the one who gives out double-standard awards?
-Eik
How could someone care ? ...when he simply posted a "Die Nintendo Die" at the end of each post...or...GC is a console for 4 years old children...
...explain to me...what to debate? ...we took that like a joke...
...but now he\'s complaining about XBox launch games when PS2 needed months and months to get good and great games!
...so please Eiksirf ...try to be a bit more coherent;)
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Originally posted by Docwiz
Who cares what you think MM, you are just a giant brain fart that doesn\'t know anything but Bias.
Its 15 months later after PS2 launch, and only six months ago did it get some great games. The Xbox has great games out of the gate and more coming like wreckless, Brute Force, The Unseen, Jet Set Radio Future, Gunvalkyre, GT 2002 and tons of other games that are coming but not shown yet and then there is the online factor.
Its not like anyone cares if you are happy and that you are an idiot. I really don\'t care about simple minded people. I care for people that are worth caring about and that doesn\'t include you.
I don\'t mean to sound cynical, but honestly, if you died tomorrow, I wouldn\'t even notice. You are just another simple minded person and we have enough of those kind of people on our planet as many have witnessed after Sept 11th.
Oh please shut up docwiz, who are you to talk about bias and others being simple minded. You\'re one of the biggest fanboys on these forums. Hypocrite.
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Yeah back to the Atari part THAT WAS WHAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT!!!
I don\'t know if this has already been said, but in the last edge magazine, on the back inside cover it had a big atari sign, and said something like return of a legend, or some crap like that.1
I get the feeling that mm doesn\'t like the Xbox or Microsoft very much, i don\'t know why i keep getting that feeling from mm!!:D
Hey maybe this thread should be called:
"mm offical bashing thread for xbox and microsoft, only ps2 fanboys allowed:D"
only joking mate, it doesn\'t bother me if you don\'t like it, if everyone had the same opinions, then the world would go around!!
But i have to say i have had a great time with my xbox.
Also my ps2 and xbox sit next to each other, and i think they fancy each other, i see them when they think i am not looking, flashing there little lights at each other, they get on really well, it is great. :D
Anyway GAME ON!!!!
play nice now people, no pinching,biting or scratching:laughing:
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ehhe, you dont like me, :rolleyes:
i love when people get offended when i insult a small box of plastic and silicone
i own an xbox so im allowed to say whatever i want about it. do u see me trashing the GC? not yet at least
here\'s the problem. 75% of you guys are way too young to remember the roots of gaming. after almost 30 years, we should expect more. we shouldnt make excuses like "30 fps aint so bad", or "3 launch titles is nice", or even "the controller isnt so cumbersome"
im an elitest. anyone who knows me, agrees. after 23 years of gaming, im entitled to this. companies are self-serving today. even the once great nintendo is a shadow of its former self. they make "disposable games". you buy them, beat them in one sitting, never play them again. whats worse? you tolerate this? not me. i cant change the downward spiral of video gaming, but i can resist. if one person says, \'you know what? that mm guy and his chimp cant take a hike, but he\'s got a point!", than im happy. we shouldnt have to make excuses anymore.
it may sound harsh, but thats life. i like who i like, and it takes a great deal to change that. i feel im pretty respectfull and nice to most [except dumb ass newbs], and i tolerate a great deal of ignorance.
in conclusion, *cough*, we can argue all day, every day about my dissapointment in the xbox as a whole [not just lauch titles, controller girth, lack of A+ titles], but all its doing is using bandwidth and increasing post counts. noone can change my mind, no excuse can persuade me to think more of my dust collector, errrr my xbox
oops, im rambling!
noone cares anyways
:(
and if yer gonna pay attention to ANYTHING i say, re-read the italic part. call it a mission statement. its rare when i post more then 8-10 lines, so enjoy
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Hey mm what do you do for a living? are you a games tester or something like that?
It is cool that you have been gaming for that long, i have been gaming for about 14 years, it really shocked me when i was thinking how long i have been playing.
But i guess when i look at it like you do, games back then were better, it was all about fun back then really, and alot have changed and alot of crap has been released, but i guess life changes.
And you pretty much summed up how i feel about games nower days in your few italic lines, i mean look at the DC that was or still is, one of the best consoles i have owned, i loved it to pieces the game were great, but it got beat bad by some commercial console that didn\' t really care about the software most of the time, it was all just about the money and being able to say we have 300 games out for the system now, which to me takes away alot of the fun that is gaming.
But hey that is the way i just feel, maybe that is why i didn\'t play my PS1 much.:D
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knowing too much and being "caught up" in the industry takes a big chunk of the fun factor out of gaming...at least that\'s what I think...
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it does indeed. i often feel repressed.
i dont find myself enjoying games as much as i used to, knowing full well that todays games are no match for yesteryears
:(
thats why im so disgruntled
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If I recall correctly, he works at Blockbuster as a store manager and has long hours. Maybe his hours or job doesn\'t exist anymore now that he has classes.
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yes, i still employed at BBV as a store manager, and have access to all games we carry
once school started, i limited myself to 45 hours a week, but i take class from 8am to noon monday thru friday
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Well mm if that\'s how you feel then you should equally bash the PS2 because it\'s as big an offender as the xbox is. I too started gaming at the beginning and it\'s not that Atari games were deeper or took longer to complete, but we, as gamers weren\'t as sophisticated. I have every Atari game emulated on my computer and as a kid growing up in a competitive family, we kept records of all our high scores. I beat every one of them during my first and second game (a few years back.) Most games of the NES and 16 bit era depended on patterns and memory not game smarts.
PSX was sort of new because it introduced the 3rd perspective. But really the past wasn\'t that grand, it was different, but all things equal I prefer the games of today just for the AI.
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i do bash the PS2, just not recently
if the xbox had more A+ titles like we were promised, than i wouldnt be so noticable
and please dont start the "its only been out a few months" deal
*yawn*
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Originally posted by mm
i do bash the PS2, just not recently
if the xbox had more A+ titles like we were promised, than i wouldnt be so noticable
and please dont start the "its only been out a few months" deal
*yawn*
I rather know who promised you these A+ titles...and it what time frame?
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And why not bring up the time frame--it has only been two months. It is convienent for you to dismiss that reason because it completely deflates your argument. You can\'t expect the xbox to revolutionize gaming in two months.
The PS2 had much grander promises than tha xbox and it still hasn\'t delivered and it\'s been out for almost two years. Yet you always bring up the xbox. I smell a fanboy.
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bah, lots of talking but nothing being said to me
two months? = excuse
the xbox came out well after a year than the PS2. plenty of time to make and develop A+ games. what do i keep telling you guys about making excuses for yer precious 300$ box of silicone and plastic. you might demand more, but then again, thats the generation gap.
ask Micro$oft\'s PR and ad departments about xbox changing the video game world. ask about the "sony killer". ask any media coverage around xbox launch time about how it is the "best thing since sliced bread". the xbox didnt even get close to the hype created. not even a ripple, by my standards.
and there mine sits, waiting to be played. waiting to make my hands hurt. waiting to make me go blind looking at 30 FPS while playinh halo. waiting for mm to type more words that infuriate the xbox fans, oops
i smell a zealot
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Originally posted by mm
bah, lots of talking but nothing being said to me
two months? = excuse
the xbox came out well after a year than the PS2. plenty of time to make and develop A+ games. what do i keep telling you guys about making excuses for yer precious 300$ box of silicone and plastic. you might demand more, but then again, thats the generation gap.
i smell a zealot
How long did the developers have development kits? How long does it take to make A+ games? How long was Xbox in development before it came to light?
You and I would have to have all these questions answered before we could get into a real debate about it.
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nah, this bores me, no offense
im just a jaded old gamer, thats all it comes down to
i get brief moments of joy from gaming [shenmue 1 and 2, ff10, mgs2, etc. ]
and i suffer thru the rest
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I was hoping it would end soon too. Agree to disagree?
;)
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yeah, didnt u get my PM?
we cool, and i respect what you say. it just doesnt alleviate my discontent with the way things are
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, didnt u get my PM?
we cool, and i respect what you say. it just doesnt alleviate my discontent with the way things are
got it and replied;)
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i love when people get offended when i insult a small box of plastic and silicone
Don\'t you mean a BIG box of plastic and silicone?
:laughing:
Just trying to add some humor cause bad feelings seem to be brewing...
;)
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Let\'s see, who needs to shut up in here?
EVERYONE! Damn I can\'t stand wading through all the bitching.
XBox will never catch up to PS2. Ps2 sucked for the first 6 months. I have played my XBox much more than I did my PS2 when I first got it. After this Summer IMO, PS2 won\'t be able to touch XBox in graphics, games, or features. I don\'t see anything coming out for PS2 in the next 6 months that looks good, while XBox has everything a Sega fan, and more importantly gamer could want. All I have to say is Shenmue. Unfortunately for GC, it will get left in the dust of PS2 and Xbox. I don\'t see the little tyke crawling anywhere fast.
Everyone shut up. mm is just ****ing around with you.
Eric Jacob
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Well that\'s what trolls do--they stir up crap for no good reason arguing inane points and generally pissing people off.
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damnit, altered!
watch, someone has to be pretty pathetic to get "pissed off" by something they read on a forum.
anyways, we put our opinions here, if you dont like mine, try the ign or msbox forums, and see what ignorance hell is like :)
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Originally posted by mm
damnit, altered!
watch, someone has to be pretty pathetic to get "pissed off" by something they read on a forum.
anyways, we put our opinions here, if you dont like mine, try the ign or msbox forums, and see what ignorance hell is like :)
We where talking about an ATARI CONSOLE right ?
then if it was launched then it would only hope to get 2nd place after trying to fight of the X box and Gamecube that is ;).
p.s.
Don\'t ask why i quoted MM , i don\'t even know why i did it....... i supose that what happens when i post while DRUNK ;)
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like thats unusual!
:)
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
I don\'t see anything coming out for PS2 in the next 6 months that looks good, while XBox has everything a Sega fan, and more importantly gamer could want.
So much for being a Virtua Fighter fan, eh? Has your love for the Xbox blinded you of the good games on the PS2? It seems that way.
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U guys are funny :)
Well..... Im going to buy Halo on my PC, then I dont need to buy Xbox :)
Im going to buy GC when they are releasing interesting games (Resident Evil, Mario Sunshine etc)
While I wait....... Im going to buy all the excellent PS2 titles that are comming out this year :) (and that is not few).
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I didn\'t say you pissed me off, and speaking of IGN your recent posts would fit in quite nicely over there--speaking of ignorance hell. You, like all trolls, don\'t bother me a bit, annoy me yes, but it is minor.
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How in the hell does a post about an Atari console turn into an Xbox PS2 debate
good comedy in here
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Amazing how some threads develop.
I don\'t feel like wading through all the post (especially since it appears to have deterioated into and Xbox vs. PS2 fight), so I\'ll blabber on with my opinion on the original topic.
Now, (some semblance to getting back on topic) the chances of an Atari system are pretty low. First, Atari itself. Hasbro (now Infogrames) own the name I believe, and at the same time Midway owns many Atari franchises themselves. Last I know of, Infogrames has no intention of entering the hardware business. Not to mention, stiff competition from the Xbox/GC/and PS2 will for the most part, prevent an Atari rebirth so to speak, from happening. I don\'t think many people here (other then the hardcore gamers) connect console games to Atari now since they have been gone from the hardware business for a very long time.
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actually Ironfist, I meant to say "I don\'t see too many games for PS2 in the next 6 months that look great"
something to that effect, I was tired when I wrote the other one. :)
Eric Jacob
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wathdog, what you gonna do about it?
noone likes a whiner, and please dont use terms that you dont fully comprehend
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I\'m not whining, just pointing out what you are. I could care less really. I do believe you are smart enough to know that what you say isn\'t true, but you are still trolling and looking for trouble, and that\'s what trolls do.
You are no better than tshirts or NPYYZ--you are doing the exact same thing (except I don\'t think you really mean it--at least to the extreme extent).
It\'s crap like that this bores me with message boards. You know, it\'s ironic that it was Jumpman that got me to come here in the first place. He posted a thread in another board that claimed this was the best forum on the web. I came here on that recomendation and it does seem accurate. For the most part people here are level headed and openminded, but when one of the most prominent members starts a flame wars and trolls in every second post it gets tiresome.
Maybe it\'s funny for you. You probably get a kick out of it. But I\'d perfer, and I know I\'m not the only one, to actually talk about games intelligently. You will notice I\'ve never posted a screen shot, specs, started a topic (well except for the one about Next Gen going under). Because I just like to share ideas and chat.
But it seems like everytime there is a topic posted you post a degrading post about the xbox and it turns into a xbox "suxors" debate. We\'ve all had these debates and I would expect that we\'d all be tired of them, but I guess that\'s not true of everyone.
People like tshirts and NPYYZ don\'t last long and I can handle their annoyances, but you are a fixure here and dealing with the garbage you post in every other thread really compromises the board.
So no, you can hate your xbox and use it for spare toaster parts for all I care. Troll in Tshirts\'s and NPYYZ\'s posts all you want--that\'s why they\'re here, but if someone actually has something to say why do you have to rehash an argument from months ago?
I don\'t know why you\'d bother. Like NPYYZ, I\'d think you\'d be too old for that stuff and would have grown up somewhere along the way. Guess I\'m wrong. Go have your "fun".
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//ooseven tryes his DAMNnes to get the thread back on TOPIC with.
if they where to make a NEW atari Console , i wonder what it will look like ?
Also what dose everyone think the Spec will be ?
and also would you buy it ?
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Originally posted by ooseven
//ooseven tryes his DAMNnes to get the thread back on TOPIC with.
if they where to make a NEW atari Console , i wonder what it will look like ?
Also what dose everyone think the Spec will be ?
and also would you buy it ?
I\'m not a tech head so I can\'t give you any thoughts there...
I\'m going to assume your talking about them entering the next generation of consoles...as if they could pull it off now!!
Would I buy? To even make a dent in what I think will be a market dominated by the possibilities of PS3 and Xbox2, they would have to have better than what Sony or MS could throw out and still be at a competetive price.
The hardest part I believe would be getting the developers trust and an AMAZING lineup of games. Sony will likely have some great in house developers by then as will MS. It would take some damn good exclusives and all the big companies on board (Capcom, Komani, Namco, Sega) before I would buy one...
They would have to do what MS did, and I don\'t think they have the funds or the support...
This is all IMO...
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ive always been this way watchdog, and i take partial credit for this forums success
im too jaded about the gaming world to bite my tongue. when my xbox finally gets it "promised" A+ titles and it takes time away from my PS2 and my DC, i\'ll shove my foot in my mouth and continue on
but untill then, ill discredit it any chance i get
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And ruin the forum in the process.
In topics that ask for that kind of a debate knock yourself out, but to bring it to every thread is unnecessary.
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im sorry bro, but what part of "console debate" dont you understand?
if i dont personnaly insult a member, [which i never have], then im free to do what i please
i\'ll grant you, i have been harsh on the xbox, BUT that was only untill i owned one. i never said a peep about it, untill i beat halo, and realized there was NOTHING else offered that i couldnt get elsewhere. im sure this will change months from now. yer lucky i didnt pay full price for it, or you would REALLY hear me complaining
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Yes, I\'m as much an advocate of console debating as anyone, but when all you say is that the controller sucks, and I\'m going to go blind from playing Halo it gets a little tiresome. This isn\'t the stuff of great debates. It\'s lowbrow and anyone with a PS2 and a keyboard could write it and have--only they did it 2 months ago.
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no offense but yer not worthy of a great debate to me
that has yet to come
genko had his, and i respect him now [not that i didnt before], but he stepped up to me
seems like you want to be a gnat, and try to irk me by regurgitating what i post and throw it in my face, and talk about how great this forum used to be, blah blah blah
btw, i WILL go blind looking at halo\'s maximum 30 FPS, and my hands STILL hurt from playing two days ago :P
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I could give a damn what you think of me. If regurgitating an old tired argument is all I\'d need to do to win your favour I think I\'ll pass.
You argue with a troll and all they do is get hairier. No thanks.
Take your little pot shots at the xbox, continue to be IGN.PS2\'s champion, but I\'m not going to argue about the controller or about 30 fps or about anything you think is clever lately. If I wanted those arguments I\'d go to IGN.PS2 and you know what? They\'d say the same thing you do. Exactly. If that\'s your badge of honour and measuring stick for all others here, then I\'m glad to fall well short. Those kinds of arguments have no factual worth, they are born of fanboys and trolls--people who aren\'t worth my time.
You see I\'ve had my share of 8 page arguments on this board with several members of this forum. I don\'t back down from a fight--actually I usually pick them, but these little gems of yours are tired and the stuff of children--you need to let it go and try to talk like a big kid.
You say you respect Ginko because he stepped up to you--well good for him--but I\'m not backing down either, I just play by my rules, not yours.
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Originally posted by ooseven
//ooseven tryes his DAMNnes to get the thread back on TOPIC with.
if they where to make a NEW atari Console , i wonder what it will look like ?
Also what dose everyone think the Spec will be ?
and also would you buy it ?
No idea about the look...
...it could have 128-256 mega of system RAM and 64 mega of VRam...or...256 maga of UMA ala XBox...who knows...
...and a GPU capable of processing 50-60 mpps with 4 textures,6 hardware lights and 2 spot lights :D ...and sure...I would get it !
I\'m a Console whore and a PC "gaming" Hater ! :D
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rules? what rules? we\'re two people throwing words on a screen that for all practical reasons dont exist.
i actually find it humurous that people get mad in public forums. you can continue yer crusade against me, but it will have no effect. i will continue to bash all consoles [xbox more than others], and you will be free to whine about it to yer hearts content.
continue to be IGN.PS2\'s champion
dont understand that one. im a sega whore, remember kid?
shenmue 2 takes up about 80% of my gaming, and i\'ll probably replay the xbox version unless its a direct port.
so, in closing. scurry about my feet all you want and scream and shout. it makes no difference.
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Firstly, I\'m not angry, never have been.
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rules? what rules? we\'re two people throwing words on a screen that for all practical reasons dont exist.
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Your rules:
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no offense but yer not worthy of a great debate to me
that has yet to come
genko had his, and i respect him now [not that i didnt before], but he stepped up to me
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You need someone to argue about xbox\'s worth or it\'s controller or 30 fps to respect someone--you must hold everyone at the IGN boards in the very highest reguard. It\'s laughable that you consider these points worthy of a great debate.
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but it will have no effect
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I have no crusade against you, and you can bash all you want I could care less--I hold no allusions of changing your ways, like I said, trolls just get hairy with debate.
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I\'m a Sega whore
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Yes, and NYPPZ is a multi gaming fan. You are on a PS2 board with 3000+ posts and claim to have absolutely no allegences to the PS2. In recent thread you gloated that you were right all along about the console war. I won\'t go as far as calling you a PS2 fanboy, but you definitely are unfair to the xbox and throw it in the faces of everyone here.
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so, in closing. scurry about my feet all you want and scream and shout. it makes no difference.
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Yes, I\'m the one slumming, posting trite garbage, and bashing systems. It\'s laughable that you are claiming to be the mature one, the one taking the high road. Have fun in your dream world.
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love is in the air........
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I am the person who started this thread with a made up story. I\'can\'t belive it\'s still going - it was my first post
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MS could easily make money off of the x-box. I could build an athlon 1 ghz, 20 gb, 128mb ddr, gf2 system for the price of the x-box easily. Without monitor, speakers, and everything though.
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Originally posted by idiotcrap
MS could easily make money off of the x-box. I could build an athlon 1 ghz, 20 gb, 128mb ddr, gf2 system for the price of the x-box easily. Without monitor, speakers, and everything though.
...and you whould have a piece of hardware which wouldn\'t be competitive against PS2 and GC ! :)
...you\'ve described my PC,more or less:) ...I have an AMD 1.4 Ghz,60 gb HD,512 Mega of system Ram,GF2 Pro 64 Mega...but the games...err...they look like crap compared to PS2\'s one !
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Originally posted by idiotcrap
MS could easily make money off of the x-box. I could build an athlon 1 ghz, 20 gb, 128mb ddr, gf2 system for the price of the x-box easily. Without monitor, speakers, and everything though.
if think your missing one important point, you then have to market your "system" and compete against Sony, Nintendo and Now Mircosoft.
some how i don\'t think thatthe Idiotsrap system won\'t be worring the PS2,CG and X box sometime soon :laughing:.
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Originally posted by mm
jm = old school
he know exactly how things run. no matter how much defending the xbox gets, it will NEVER, EVER surpass the PS2.
now that i own one, i can go as far as to say the xbox is a hype FAILURE! out a year after the PS2, more powerfull, and even adding the sales of GC\'s, the PS2 is still selling more.
after beating halo, i havent touched my xbox. where\'s the A+ titles?
/me does a litttle dance as the xbox zealouts rage
This why the forum is so sad. First the fact that the money thing was brought was just so ignorant and uninformed. Every console maker looses on hardware that should not have even been brought up on this forum because we all know that.
But M&M you make a point every thread to say something negative about another console. I mean you bash xbox. You bash nintendo. Then you try and cover yourself and say I got one.
And your bashing points are way off. There is nothing but opinionated shots you throw at every single console but ps2. Does it take a genus to see xbox won\'t catch ps2? But is it still selling well yes.
Nintendo has been making kiddie games sense they began. And they are still in the console market. If you don\'t like it don\'t buy it. Other gamers are. And it does not look like nintendo is going anywhere.
And I am not taking shots at you but man I don\'t need to constantly here about how your disatified with xbox or how you hate nintendo. Because they are still great console that are not going anywhere. And next generation things are going to be tougher and you might find yourself stuck with what you hate.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
But M&M you make a point every thread to say something negative about another console. I mean you bash xbox. You bash nintendo. Then you try and cover yourself and say I got one.
he wasnt covering ****! he stated his opinion on the games...one good game...no A+ games... its not like hes saying that he owns one therefore it makes him nul-invoid against biased slurrs (although it is a little ;)) he\'s always stated that he likes consoles with GOOD GAMES, he loves Sega, and PS2 churns out enough good games to stop him from complaining but XBox..well well Mr. Gates...you didnt take out little friend mm\'s (or many other peoples) gaming needs into account (maybe i should have directed that towards some developers...Lorne Lanning?)
Originally posted by QuDDus
Nintendo has been making kiddie games sense they began. And they are still in the console market. If you don\'t like it don\'t buy it. Other gamers are. And it does not look like nintendo is going anywhere.
whats your point??...seriously...i skipped pages 2 - 3 and unless he said something like "Nintendo is going to fail and leave the industry because all their games are kiddy" you have no point..
seriously..
Originally posted by QuDDus
And I am not taking shots at you but man I don\'t need to constantly here about how your disatified with xbox or how you hate nintendo. Because they are still great console that are not going anywhere. And next generation things are going to be tougher and you might find yourself stuck with what you hate.
tee hee, you arguing the same point about reading mm\'s posts as you claim he is about playing console games :D
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indeed bob. in anyones memory recalls, i bashed the PS2 nonstop cause i waited overnight to pay 300$+ to play no A+ games.
but that was along time ago, huh quddis?
covering up = owning one? damn right! i own it so i can talk crap on it all day long. wouldnt anything less make me an ignorant fanboy? that like people that dont vote complaining about the government.
i am let down by xbox, severely let down, and glad i didnt pay full price for it. if thier was at least ONE more A+ title, and i get my japanese controller, then perhaps i will STFU.
untill then, i will speak my mind. isnt that why were here?
i am so jaded when it comes to gaming anymore, that i like what i like and thats it. it takes a windfall to make me change my likings. dont like it, ignore me.
:)
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Originally posted by mm
i am so jaded when it comes to gaming anymore, that i like what i like and thats it. it takes a windfall to make me change my likings.
Actually, I read that Microsoft purchased the rights to Windfall. Maybe now you\'ll be satisfied with your purchase. ;]
-Eik
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GRRRRR!
:D
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Well, as if we haven\'t strayed off topic enough...
mm...
How far along are you in Shenmue 2?
Have you reached the shocking revelation in Disc 1, yet?