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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: ElwayLite on January 30, 2002, 04:18:06 AM
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http://news.com.com/2100-1040-825762.html
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Dumbest. Thing. Recently.
Why in the world would you want to do word processing (as mentioned in the article) on your PS2? It amazes me that people early on was making fun of the Xbox , because it was "just like a PC" - yet Sony is pushing the whole PC/ Game console thing more than anyone.
Let them have their Linux. I really doubt it\'ll sell worth a damn in the USA. There just isn\'t a pratical use for it, and unlike the Japanese, the US is picky.
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Sweet..
I hope they add demos (or whole games) on the Playstation2 demo disc\'s you can buy in magazines.. Like they did with yaroze..
Linux for PS2=New yaroze.. I heard you could make DC quality games with this thing.. If so, impressive.
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Seems cool. A nice toy, but not very useful to 99% of PS2 owners. Least it\'ll be much more robust and useful than the Dreamcast version of Linux.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Dumbest. Thing. Recently.
Why in the world would you want to do word processing (as mentioned in the article) on your PS2? It amazes me that people early on was making fun of the Xbox , because it was "just like a PC" - yet Sony is pushing the whole PC/ Game console thing more than anyone.
Let them have their Linux. I really doubt it\'ll sell worth a damn in the USA. There just isn\'t a pratical use for it, and unlike the Japanese, the US is picky.
not everyone has a PC at home, yet most people have a TV. Try getting a PC with DVD, Broadband option, a professional developer kit and the option to play every single game out for it for $350. The PS2 has this price beaten in every aspect. ;)
I\'ll be getting it just for the developing aspect. :D
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It doesn\'t have to be used just for word processing. I think the catch is that it\'s a $200 add-on to your PS2 that makes it almost exactly like a computer. I really like the idea of custom programming. That could be a lot of fun...
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The Linux (for PlayStation 2) Release 1.0 kit includes:
Internal hard disk drive for PlayStation 2 (HDD) with 40 GB capacity
Network Adaptor (Ethernet) (for PlayStation 2) with 100 Base T Ethernet interface
Linux Kernel version 2.2.1 (with USB device support)
"Linux (for PlayStation 2)" Version 1.0 software distribution on two DVDs
gcc 2.95.2 and glibc 2.2.2 with VU assemblers
XFree86 3.3.6 with PlayStation 2 GS support
Computer monitor adaptor (for PlayStation 2) (with audio connectors)
USB Keyboard and mouse (for PlayStation 2)
Finally a VGA adapter, they better start selling them individually
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Should be XFree 4.1.0
$300 for the whole kit. Interesting.
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This is mainly for hobbiest development of applications and games. This isn\'t for a person wanting to use StarOffice on the PS2. So I\'d have to say YOU are the dumbest thing recently.
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not everyone has a PC at home, yet most people have a TV. Try getting a PC with DVD, Broadband option, a professional developer kit and the option to play every single game out for it for $350. The PS2 has this price beaten in every aspect.
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Chances are if they can\'t afford a pc which is dirt cheap. Then it is doubtful they are going to pay for the linux kit. On top of that even if those unfortunate souls do. Do you honestly think they will hook up their broadband, or develop games? Chances are if you are even interested in these options then you already have a pc, and the issue is then mute about the $350 for a internet ready computer.
Btw where do you come up with $350.00 at. My ps2 here in the states cost me $300 alone. Add on the price of taxes and a memory card, and I have your $350.00 beat already. The kit is going to cost around $200.00. This will bring your total price close to $600.00 us dollars.You can buy a standalone pc for that price.
Here is an excerpt from
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/news/news.pl?y=2002&m=1&nid=30-126.db
"In addition to the "Linux (for PlayStation 2)" kit, users must have a standard North American PlayStation 2 (SCPH 30001, SCPH 30001R, SCPH 35001GT), a Memory Card (8M), and a VESA monitor. The graphics output requires a high-resolution computer display, with standard output set as XGA (1024 x 768 resolution); home televisions cannot be used as monitors. Computer displays supporting "sync on green" are mandatory."
So add on some more money for a vesa monitor.
The only persons that will find this add-on of any great usefulness is fledgling developers, and I am not sure of how much use it truly will be.
One more thought. If you are planning on buying this so you can get a hdd and broadband adaptor at a reduced price. Then I imagine your dreams will probably get dashed. I would imagine that this thing is going to format the hdd to a linux filesystem, and leave it unusable for games.
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The Linux kit will sell for $299 U.S. so sayeth Sony: yahoo news release (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020130/tc/tech_sony_linux_dc_1.html)
And if you think all Linux is good for is Star Office, you have a lot to learn, junior.
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Originally posted by Capcom
One more thought. If you are planning on buying this so you can get a hdd and broadband adaptor at a reduced price. Then I imagine your dreams will probably get dashed. I would imagine that this thing is going to format the hdd to a linux filesystem, and leave it unusable for games.
What makes you think PS2 games will save in FAT/DOS/NTFS format?
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The Japanese Linux kit had a utility disc that let you format the harddrive to be usable with games, if I remember correctly. The disc isn\'t mentioned in the listing though so it might not be included with the US Linux kit. Of course, the Japanese kit also included documentation of the EE, the GS, and the vector units, none of that is mentioned here either, but I highly doubt they could leave those out, as the kit would be pretty useless without them, so I doubt the list here mentions every little thing you get.
Anyway, I don\'t know why people are getting all "offended" by this. This obviously isn\'t going to be a peripheral that developers develop games around or something like that. It\'s for hobbiests, budding developers, and geeks that like this kind of stuff. I for one think it\'s super-cool and am contemplating picking one up.
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well, I personally think "let the PS2 do what it is supposed to do".
That said, I\'d never look to get any kind of hard drive or the other crap that $ony is trying to sell us.
However, the fact that I won\'t be buying doesn\'t mean we should start flaming the industry for giving us the option..
You will buy, I won\'t, does it really matter??
If you think about it, its an interesting concept. Whether it will sell or not, I don\'t know and frankly... I don\'t care!
I bought my PS2 to play games and watch DVDs, and thats the whole point.
If it can make me some coffee as well, I don\'t care.. I\'ll leave my coffee machine do that.
$300 are a lot of money.... You\'d have to provide your own monitor, so since you have a spare monitor to plug the ps2 on... the how come you don\'t have a PC.... And if you DO have a PC... why the heck mess with Linux on PS2???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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oh, and by the way.... the first article says that Linux competes with Windows... Linux *IS* free and you can download it anywhere. So it does not compete with any M$ product! :)
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Originally posted by teiresias
This is mainly for hobbiest development of applications and games. This isn\'t for a person wanting to use StarOffice on the PS2. So I\'d have to say YOU are the dumbest thing recently.
LIC was just giving his opinion on the whole matter, no need to start name calling:rolleyes: . Well I\'m sure some people will like the kit but I think it will just be a select few.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
What makes you think PS2 games will save in FAT/DOS/NTFS format?
I misspoke. I read some more on it, and evidently you have to create a partition for it. Evidently you can still run into problems with it though. Bottom line this will sell a few units, but will not sell for the most part.
Unless you are running linux, and programming say opengl games. This is probably going to be useless to you. Unless of course you want to brag that you are surfing porn on your ps2.
Who knows. I have included the link talking about a ffx install, and the linux kit. I still have seen no info talking about online gaming. There is a utility disk coming with the online hdd, and broadband. I imagine this is going to format the disk. It will be interesting how well this disk gets along with the partitions linux installs.
http://ps2dev.sytes.net:8080/ps2linux/mlarchive/pslinux-ml/msg01961.html
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I don\'t know what filesystem Sony plans to implement or how they plan on carrying out on their HD. But with a keyboard, you could probably partition the thing yourself.
I\'d like to know what all is possible on it myself. It may have some advantages to programming on an x86 PC.
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Why not...? Sure I\'ll buy one...
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Okay, lets establish some things here.
- The comment that you can\'t get a PC, with broadband connection, use applications,,etc,etc for less than $350. Well, actually that is wrong. If you want to run LInux, just go get a cheap 486. After the time you pay for a PS2, the KIT and everything, you\'ve went over the price you\'d pay for a 486 and a copy of Linux (if you don\'t download a free copy of it!). And for the record, as for a "cheap PC" notion, the average family or average Joe still isn\'t going to find a PS2 Linux very useful, when they decide they want to run some applications that require Windoze. Nevermind the fact, that Linux isn\'t exactly user-friendly to the "average computer" user. All the above facts, limit out the PS2 Linux as a cheap computer to the average family.
- How many people are going to find a useful reason for this? Please, don\'t give me the whole garage developers. We all know the PS2 is the most complicated system out there to develop for and it takes professional teams years to come up with decent looking games - so how many teenage garage developers are going to come up with the "next big thing" on their PS2 Linux kit? Sure, it sounds all great and everything - having the option to develop your own games, but lets face it, it is quite useless to the mainstream. Sony tried this with Net Yaroze for the Psone, it was a failure. \'Nuff said.
- This isn\'t Japan, the market is a lot different. The Japanese market is all over items such as thing, where as the US market will look and it and wonder what exactly is the point. It will be extremely intereseting (and funny, I imagine) to see the sells for this kit once it is released in the USA.
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Living, you are living in some kind of dream world. Do you actually think Sony expects to sell 500,000 of these things? No, they know the market they are catering too, the article even says the poll Sony made showed about 28,000 expressed interest in the kit.
Net Yaroze wasn\'t a huge success, but for people that were interested in it it was awesome.
IMO, you seem to think this is a bad idea merely because it\'s not going to sell a million units and be a big hit. Heaven forbid Sony want to cater to a little niche community that has an interest in doing this kind of thing. Maybe other people are claiming this is trying to push PS2 as an alternative PC, but I\'m not, that is no way, shape, or form what this is attempting to do. It\'s a little niche development platform for hobbiests, plain and simple.
You get docs on the EE, the GS, the vector units, everything (at least you did in the Japanese Linux kit, I\'d assume you\'d get the same docs in the US version - though perhaps not the more recent revision). I don\'t think anyone expects some teenager in his dorm room to spit out an RPG like FFX. But there are some people that like to think in their spare time and messing around with something like that is intriguing, especially for the price point relative to a "real" development system.
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Originally posted by teiresias
Living, you are living in some kind of dream world. Do you actually think Sony expects to sell 500,000 of these things? No, they know the market they are catering too, the article even says the poll Sony made showed about 28,000 expressed interest in the kit.
Net Yaroze wasn\'t a huge success, but for people that were interested in it it was awesome.
IMO, you seem to think this is a bad idea merely because it\'s not going to sell a million units and be a big hit. Heaven forbid Sony want to cater to a little niche community that has an interest in doing this kind of thing. Maybe other people are claiming this is trying to push PS2 as an alternative PC, but I\'m not, that is no way, shape, or form what this is attempting to do. It\'s a little niche development platform for hobbiests, plain and simple.
You get docs on the EE, the GS, the vector units, everything (at least you did in the Japanese Linux kit, I\'d assume you\'d get the same docs in the US version - though perhaps not the more recent revision). I don\'t think anyone expects some teenager in his dorm room to spit out an RPG like FFX. But there are some people that like to think in their spare time and messing around with something like that is intriguing, especially for the price point relative to a "real" development system.
Are you honestly so naive to think Sony is wanting to cater to a niche market? They are in a business and they need to make a good amount of profit off whatever they sell . They cannot do that catering to a niche market.
Sony is testing the market, with the intial release. In my opinion, they\'ll release enough to test the market, find out its a total failure and give up on the whole idea of a public development for the PS2 - which is what they should of done when the idea of this came across.
Plain and simple: Companies or their products cannot be commercialy succesful and profitable when delivering and catering towards a niche\' market only.
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Actually, LIC, I imagine no matter how many units are sold they\'ll be making money on each one.
Keyboard = $20
HD/ethernet = $100
Mouse = $20
Linux = FREE GPL/GNU License
Sony\'s Software Libraries and Compilers = FREE
All of those together don\'t add up to $300 U.S. And on top of that there are other things you can do with a Linux machine, especially if you have a broadband connection.
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Why are you against "public development" as you term it? What\'s so bad about it?
It seems like you\'re violently opposed to anyone except a huge corporate 3rd party getting their hands on something that can help them code for the PS2.
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Originally posted by nikos
If it can make me some coffee as well, I don\'t care.. I\'ll leave my coffee machine do that.
Linux CAN make coffe..:
http://linux.se/doc/HOWTO/mini/Coffee.html :cool:
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teiresias: You are right..
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
The Linux kit will sell for $299 U.S. so sayeth Sony: yahoo news release
And if you think all Linux is good for is Star Office, you have a lot to learn, junior.
Originally posted by EmperorRob
Actually, LIC, I imagine no matter how many units are sold they\'ll be making money on each one.
Keyboard = $20
HD/ethernet = $100
Mouse = $20
Linux = FREE GPL/GNU License
Sony\'s Software Libraries and Compilers = FREE
All of those together don\'t add up to $300 U.S. And on top of that there are other things you can do with a Linux machine, especially if you have a broadband connection.
I can dig up a url if need be, but this linux is not going to be open source. If this were a true open source then it would be a pirates dream. The linux os is held on the dvd. It does temporary files, specific machine settings,and etc on the local disk, but the os can not be recompiled or anything of that sort. This is just so you can surf for porn, and do some basic compiling like glquake etc... Which by the way I saw an old glhexen that would work on the ps2.
Also if you do some research yourself. This system still has all the copyright schemes in place. I even read one japanese page that said it would not recognize ordinary cd\'s.
So what exactly are you going to do with this broadband connection with a closed end linux machine? I would really like to know.
As far as your figures go. It comes to 140 total, and this is a sony specific linux. It did cost them some money to develop the os. It did not just magically appear one day. So if you figure 60 us dollars for the linux os it is not that bad. It would not be that different than developing a game. Just because the linux kernel is free to use does not mean the programmers worked for free.
Here is a quote from the yahoo page you quoted from.
"Sony aims to expand the role of PlayStation as a technology and allow more applications such as word processing."
Of what use is word processing if you can not print the document afterwards? I have seen no pages talking about printers, and I have been skimming the japanese pages ala babelfish, and none mention a printer.
By the way I am offended by the idea of turning any console system into a computer. I am a firm believer that once they do this then the industry will follow the pc path with games, and patches. I want a game that works right the first time, and a game that I don\'t have to patch the day it is released. IMHO it has killed the pc games in the past few years, and if the console market goes the same way. Then I will probably leave gaming. I hate the thoughts of paying for betaware.
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I think this is cool
Hopefully we\'ll see some MP3 and VCD players soon.
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Originally posted by JP
I think this is cool
Hopefully we\'ll see some MP3 and VCD players soon.
I remember reading that the online kit would do mp3\'s.
As far as vcd goes. That is sort of a dead technology, but I can see no reason why the linux kit would not do it. The problem is you will still be watching it on a computer monitor, and you can already do that on your computer.
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*wisper*
DivX please :)
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Originally posted by Capcom
I can dig up a url if need be, but this linux is not going to be open source.
Please do b/c linux not being open source is against its license. Linux is a trademark of Linus Torvalds and is established under the GNU/GPL license which states that anyone is free to modify the code of Linux but shall not re-distribute it without the source code.
http://www.gnu.org (http://www.gnu.org)
The media it\'s stored has nothing to do with whether it is open source.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Please do b/c linux not being open source is against its license. Linux is a trademark of Linus Torvalds and is established under the GNU/GPL license which states that anyone is free to modify the code of Linux but shall not re-distribute it without the source code.
http://www.gnu.org (http://www.gnu.org)
The media it\'s stored has nothing to do with whether it is open source.
I am currently going through my history via babelfish for the japanese page. I think the url below is for an american page that had or has the ps2 dev page. Their server went down tonight. I don\'t think it is permanent, and should be back up tommorrow. I could not load the page tonight so I am not 100% positive it is the correct url.
http://www.speckz.com/article.php?sid=94
I have another link that indirectly supports my statement. It is from a ps2 programmer forum with some hands on.
http://playstation2-linux.com/forum/forum.php?thread_id=15&forum_id=4
If they still can not mount a cdr disk after a few months. Don\'t you think they would or could have recompiled the kernel by now. Dont\'t you think they would have? Sony can not chance making it easier to pirate games. If programmers had their way. Don\'t you think they would alter the kernel so ps2 games could be stored locally on the hard drive. You could put quite a few games on a 40 gig hard drive.
Bottom line is you can not recompile something on read only storage aka the dvd disk. I suppose you might be able to do some recompliling on a modded ps2, but of what use is this going to do?
Here is a link to to a pic of the japanese install of the linux kit on the ps2.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/article/20010622/p01.jpg
As a sidenote EmperorRob if you have any urls dissproving otherwise other than gnu please post them. I realize I am a newbie to these boards, but it appears I am one of the few actually having to prove every statement with a url. I would love to see some of yours.
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Here is another link for you.
http://playstation2-linux.com/faq.php
Sony Faq for the PS2 linux kit
[B"Is the HDD compatible with PlayStation 2 Games ?
At the time of writing, the internal hard disk drive (for PlayStation 2) (HDD) is not supported by any PlayStation 2 games in North America and is only sold for use with Linux (for PlayStation 2). In the future, PlayStation 2 games in North America may support the HDD. A HDD with Linux (for PlayStation 2) installed cannot be used with these games."
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This is son\'t official faq posted at athe above web page. Please note that it says that " A HDD with Linux (for PlayStation 2) installed cannot be used with these games." Thus my first assertion about using this kit, and not doing online games is correct. Although I have read, and posted a url of ffx being installed succesfully with the linux kit.
Sony Faq for the PS2 linux kit
"Can I program PlayStation 2 Games under Linux (for PlayStation 2) ?
You can program your own games that will work under Linux (for PlayStation 2). Software that you develop can also take advantage of the PlayStation 2 high performance graphics hardware. However, you cannot make your own CDs or DVDs that will operate with a PlayStation 2."
This is very self-explanatory. You are more than likely not going to be able to use your own cdr\'s. Thus limiting usefulness as a developer tool.
Sony Faq for the PS2 linux kit
" thought Linux was free - so why are you selling it ?
We are selling a kit for the PlayStation 2 that allows the Linux operating system to be used. Under the terms of the GNU GPL (http://www.gnu.org), the Linux kernel and other GPL licensed software components may be distributed for a fee as long as the source code and license are included. DISC 2 in the Linux (for PlayStation 2) kit meets the requirements of the GPL as well as the other licenses for the software packages on DISC 2."
Where in the gnu agreement emperorrob does it say that you must be able to recompile the kernel on the intended platform? You could theoretically do all kinds of things to it. To bad it won\'t boot up. You are not suppose to charge for linux in the first place. So the companies get around the free by either making you dl from the web or pay for the tech support. In the end it is easier to just pay for the support. Bottom line Sony found a loophole. Here is the source code for the kernel. To bad you can not boot your own recompiled kernel because of copywrite protection. So even though it is technically open source. It really is not since you can\'t do squat to it.
I have read of some things on this not being entirely correct like a ffx install, but this is sony\'s official word on things. So until you or I get our hands on a kit this should be taken as law.
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Capcom, the last quote of your last post says exactly what I just said. The source code will be included with the Linux version of the PS2. You said this Linux would not be open source and you were wrong. That is why I corrected you.
Furthermore what Sony is doing is not new. Red Hat, Mandrake, Suse and others have been doing it for some time now. The money they charge is not for Linux, it\'s for the distribution.
I will say again, that it does not matter what media it comes on, Linux is Linux is Linux and it is open source.
Don\'t get caught up in all that other stuff. Open Source is simply a right to view and own a copy of the source code of some piece of software whatever it may be. What you do with that is up to you. You may even redistribute it, but if you do so you must abide by the GNU license and include your source and the GNU license.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Capcom, the last quote of your last post says exactly what I just said. The source code will be included with the Linux version of the PS2. You said this Linux would not be open source and you were wrong. That is why I corrected you.
Furthermore what Sony is doing is not new. Red Hat, Mandrake, Suse and others have been doing it for some time now. The money they charge is not for Linux, it\'s for the distribution.
I will say again, that it does not matter what media it comes on, Linux is Linux is Linux and it is open source.
Don\'t get caught up in all that other stuff. Open Source is simply a right to view and own a copy of the source code of some piece of software whatever it may be. What you do with that is up to you. You may even redistribute it, but if you do so you must abide by the GNU license and include your source and the GNU license.
So show me the url that says you can modify the kernel? If you can not do anything with the kernel. It is essentially locked, and goes against everything that open source stands for. Thus I do not consider it true open source.
Also could you provide a url for your distrubution? I seem to remember my redhat, and suse saying they were charging for technical support for 1 year.
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Capcom, I will say this one more time in as few and simple words as I can:
THE GNU LICENSE STATES THAT SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTED UNDER THIS LICENSE MUST ALSO INCLUDE ITS SOURCE CODE AND MAY NOT BE RE-DISTRIBUTED EXCEPT UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.
There is nothing in the GNU license that says distributors must furnish a compiler or a word processor or even what format the source must be in. There is also nothing about technical support.
Once again, but this time in bigger letters:
OPEN SOURCE = SOURCE CODE INCLUDED WITH DISTRIBUTION
Now go back to your post where you quoted this:
Sony Faq for the PS2 linux kit
" thought Linux was free - so why are you selling it ?
We are selling a kit for the PlayStation 2 that allows the Linux operating system to be used. Under the terms of the GNU GPL (http://www.gnu.org), the Linux kernel and other GPL licensed software components may be distributed for a fee as long as the source code and license are included. DISC 2 in the Linux (for PlayStation 2) kit meets the requirements of the GPL as well as the other licenses for the software packages on DISC 2."
Sony is distributing Linux as open source and meeting the requirements of the GNU GPL license. This is open source.
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Rob since you are this mass linux guru then name one other linux kernel out there that you can not modify? We are not even talking about a compiler here. If you can not recompile your own kernel you essentially have a crippled version of linux. If it is not crippled then please provide a url other than gnu. So far I have posted over 4 pertinent url\'s to the ps2 linux kit with 1 for you, and I don\'t consider your 1 valid since it is a generic linux page. I would like too see ps2 linux kit included in a link.
What exactly is the open source used for if not to be continaully modified? The entire purpose of source is so that the kernel can continually be revised by the user. Not so you can just look at the source code, and dream. I am fairly certain I read this in a mission statement a few years ago. I will not locate the url for you because you are too lazy to look for it. Look for yourself. I am sure it is still there.
Btw I am still waiting for a url that mentions what you pay for when you buy linux.
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Capcom, first of all it has not been said whether you will be able to compile a kernel on the PS2 or not. Even if you can\'t, what makes you think you can\'t crossover your ethernet cable to a PC, download your kernel, and then compile it there?
I told you Linux was open source and that the version Sony is releasing is also open source and all linux is distributed under the GNU GPL license which can be found on any distro of Linux, their homepages, or the GNU Project\'s website, whose URL I have already posted. I am sorry if "your version of Open Source" conflicts with the GNU version.
Second, every link you have posted has stated the exact same things I already posted, so I don\'t see what you are trying to prove other than you are wrong and you have websites to prove it.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Capcom, first of all it has not been said whether you will be able to compile a kernel on the PS2 or not. Even if you can\'t, what makes you think you can\'t crossover your ethernet cable to a PC, download your kernel, and then compile it there?
I told you Linux was open source and that the version Sony is releasing is also open source and all linux is distributed under the GNU GPL license which can be found on any distro of Linux, their homepages, or the GNU Project\'s website, whose URL I have already posted. I am sorry if "your version of Open Source" conflicts with the GNU version.
Second, every link you have posted has stated the exact same things I already posted, so I don\'t see what you are trying to prove other than you are wrong and you have websites to prove it.
I could be wrong since I have not complied from x86 to sparc, but I don\'t think that will work. I think you may need to compile on the intended platform. Not to mention if it boots the needed files off of the dvd there is no way to modify read only media.
so far as the definition of open souce. Sony is within it\'s legal rights. That does not mean that this version is carrying over the spirit of open source. Name one other version of linux that is closed as the ps2? The reason you can not modify it is from my understanding that it is still held on the dvd-rom.
As so far as what you have posted. I have yet to see any info regarding the ps2 linux kit. I see a bunch of generic links to the same place gnu.
So far as i can see I have posted no invalid information per the ps2 linux faq. A disagreement as to what open source means, but this may be a hold over in mentallity of a few years ago. In the end this version of linux is as closed as a microsoft os which I truly hate to see. You will be able to create applications within the ps2, but never mess with the core os.
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Slow down Capcom, we don\'t know that for certain yet. So what if it\'s on DVD? You can copy it somewhere else. DVDs can be mounted just like any other disc. Hell you could probably mount it on your linux box at your house.
Don\'t get all worked up b/c you think you can\'t recompile the kernel yet.
If you\'d like to know why I only mention the GNU website it\'s simple: Linux was established under this license. So no matter what version of Linux you run, Sparc, alpha, x86, PS2, X-box, Dreamcast, or a Handheld PalmPilot, each version has to be distributed according to terms of its license.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Slow down Capcom, we don\'t know that for certain yet. So what if it\'s on DVD? You can copy it somewhere else. DVDs can be mounted just like any other disc. Hell you could probably mount it on your linux box at your house.
Don\'t get all worked up b/c you think you can\'t recompile the kernel yet.
If you\'d like to know why I only mention the GNU website it\'s simple: Linux was established under this license and may not be distributed under any other license. So no matter what version of Linux you run, Sparc, alpha, x86, PS2, X-box, Dreamcast, or a Handheld PalmPilot, each version has to be distributed according to terms of the GNU license.
It is one of my earlier posts, but there is a url talking about mounting cd\'s. Because of possible piracy problems sony has disabled that function. Look up I think it is the japanese url.
I also think you misunderstood my previous statement. I was talking about compiling the kernel on another platform. This may go so far as applications, but I have never attempted to compile a homebuilt appliacation on a x86 box. If you have then perhaps you can shed some light on that. I am not all that concerned with the license agreement.
Don\'t get me wrong. I will probably buy this, but only because you can mount your memory cards like drives. Thus I am hoping a custom application can be made to handle memory card saves. i would love to be able to store my game saves on my hard drive.
I agree that the gnu website would be a good place to look for general info on linux, but this appears not to be a run of the mill version. To my knowledge it is the only one that runs from a dvd-rom, and can not be re-compiled.
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The only thing I saw about DVDs was concerning DVD-RAM, which is to DVDs what CDRs are to CDs.
But if you want to, try e-mailing Sony about it. I didn\'t see any questions on compiling the kernel on the FAQ and the site seems to be down now.
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Think of the children! What about the children?!
Nah, Linux on PS2 would be a nice thing to have. It\'s great that Linux is spreading all around the world, with it\'s power at it\'s back.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
The only thing I saw about DVDs was concerning DVD-RAM, which is to DVDs what CDRs are to CDs.
But if you want to, try e-mailing Sony about it. I didn\'t see any questions on compiling the kernel on the FAQ and the site seems to be down now.
I do believe I have lost all interest in conversing with you. DVD-RAm, and DVD-R are two different mediums. Some dvd players will support the dvd-ram technology whereas dvd-r is the standard. It is more akin to comparing cd-r\'s with cd-rw\'s. My analogy is alot more wrong than right, but it is in the general ballpark atleast. I don\'t really care to go in depth more about this subject. I would suggest you doing some personal research though.
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ibselec/dvdramvsdvdr.html
There is a very brief overview.
There are a ton of japanese pages that discuss the inability to mount the cd-rom or more precisly the dvd drive from within the ps2 linux kit currently out in japan.
Also it is quite crude to beliitle someone like you did in a earlier post when you clearly don\'t have a firm grasp on current technology. :laughing:
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Just found this Capcom, looks like you can recompile the kernel
http://playstation2-linux.com/forum/forum.php?thread_id=24&forum_id=4
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Originally posted by Queeg
Just found this Capcom, looks like you can recompile the kernel
http://playstation2-linux.com/forum/forum.php?thread_id=24&forum_id=4
Many thanks for the url queeg. Only a couple of more months until we know for sure!
There is also a quote from that page.
" do not think the graphics hardware will be behing the Runtime Environment. While the SPU2, IOP, HDD, DVD, controllers, memory cards, USB, i.Link and others will not have their specifications released, the FAQ explicitly states that the VU0, VU1, DMA, EE, GS, and IPU will have "detailed specifications" included in the manuels. "
I hope someone is able to figure out the specifics on the dvd controller especially. From what I have read other places including the sony ps2 faq you can not currently mount you cd-dvd drive. I think for security reasons. It would be a shame if you can not.
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Originally posted by Capcom
I do believe I have lost all interest in conversing with you.
I tried to be nice to you, I really did. But you refused to admit you were wrong about Linux being open source when every link you posted said the exact same thing I did.
I already told you nothing is for certain, even when you cried about not being able to re-compile the kernel which apparently you were wrong about that too. And in case you are curious there is more than one format for burning DVDs just before you go shooting your mouth off about that too. Where anywhere in my post did I say DVD-RAM = DVD-R?
You would not let this thread die. You continually tried to post to make me look bad and all you did was prove me right.
You claim to know something about Linux and yet you had no idea what the GNU project is about or even how it is legal to charge for a Linux distribution. My advice to you:[list=1]
- Stop posting to this thread b/c all you do is make an ass ( | ) of yourself.
- Leave Linux to the professionals. (that\'s not you)
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
I tried to be nice to you, I really did. But you refused to admit you were wrong about Linux being open source when every link you posted said the exact same thing I did.
I already told you nothing is for certain, even when you cried about not being able to re-compile the kernel which apparently you were wrong about that too. And in case you are curious there is more than one format for burning DVDs just before you go shooting your mouth off about that too. Where anywhere in my post did I say DVD-RAM = DVD-R?
You would not let this thread die. You continually tried to post to make me look bad and all you did was prove me right.
You claim to know something about Linux and yet you had no idea what the GNU project is about or even how it is legal to charge for a Linux distribution. My advice to you:[list=1]
- Stop posting to this thread b/c all you do is make an ass ( | ) of yourself.
- Leave Linux to the professionals. (that\'s not you)
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It appears to me that you are the ass. I really don\'t give a crap about you, and what you say. I sa in your bio that says you are a software engineer, and since it is there then IT HAS to be true. I have not posted anything that makes you look right, because for that to happen you would need a grasp on technology which you do not possess.
Here are my credentials in the professional world
MCSE, CCNA, Network+, A+
I don\'t have any linux credentials because there is no real need in it. Linux is more of a hobby, and it is probably going to stay this way.
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Originally posted by Capcom
I don\'t have any linux credentials because there is no real need in it. Linux is more of a hobby, and it is probably going to stay this way.
IBM Unveils Linux-Only Mainframes (http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/16011.html)
E*Trade switches to Linux servers (http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1104-827528.html)
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I have 0 interest in e-trade, and if I remember correctly compaq tried the linux sales. Them offering it as an option does not mean that option will follow through. It all depends on how much response they get. A year from now if there is no public demand it will quietly go back into the woodwork.
Don\'t get me wrong. Linux is a great tool, but the mainstream has not caught on other than it\'s inexpensive apache web servers. It\'s a shame to some degree, but if I want to run essentially a unix kernel in a corporate enviroment. I am alot more likely to go with sun. That way if and when somthing goes wrong I am garunteed a response from a company that has, and will be here 10 years from now.