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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Bossieman on January 30, 2002, 10:43:23 AM
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X-box: 4995 :- = 475 US $
PS2: 3195:- = 304 US $
GC: 2495 :- = 237 US $
As you can see, the x-box will cost twice as much as the GC here in Sweden.
I wounder what will happen with the x-box price here after a month or so.
I remember when I bought my PSone back in ´95 for 3195 :- (304 $) , the Sega Saturn cost 5495 :- (523 $).
I smell Saturn here. 475 US $ for a x-box!!! LOL
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I can\'t wait to see what the Finnish price will be... something out of normal people\'s reach fer sure. I wonder how much the games will cost... any info on that in sweden yet?
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*cough* http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18124 *cough*
And yeah, Xbox is DOOMED!
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Maybe they should make a minor change to the console\'s name in Europe and call it †Box?
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twice as much?
/me shakes head in disgust
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I heard 650-700SEK/game.. ($61-66USD]
You can get a PS2 game for around 450-500 (If you dont go to SIBA and especially not Åhléns!) ($42-47USD)
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Well it looks like MS has decided not to lose any money in secondary markets. Let\'s face it Japan and the US are the biggest consumers and that is where MS aparently left their pocket book.
MS probably knows that the other markets aren\'t as important and since it won\'t lose any money there, there is no risk.
MS is taking a huge risk in Japan (and even a risk in the US) and didn\'t want to jump in with both feet all around the world. It seems like smart business to me--they can\'t compete with the userbase or price in Europe so they decided not to even try. Anything they sell there is just gravy.
While it is sad to see, I can understand why they are doing it. It\'s too bad, because the mainstream will never know how good it is.
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agreed
this is what put M$ in the top of the computer industry. screwing the end user in the ass and making them pay for it
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Originally posted by IronFist
And yeah, Xbox is DOOMED!
Ahhh ha!! You said it! Bashing the Xbox again. Nah I\'m only j/k. Why is the Xbox costing so much in Sweden? That is too much to pay! It\'s the gamers are DOOMED! ;)
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Originally posted by pstwo
Ahhh ha!! You said it! Bashing the Xbox again. Nah I\'m only j/k. Why is the Xbox costing so much in Sweden? That is too much to pay! It\'s the gamers are DOOMED! ;)
*cough*
Not only in sweden. But the whole of Europe aswell..
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No we\'re not, at least I\'ll be doin\' just fine without an ×Bo× :p
For a while... eventually, I\'ll have to buy one. But no way am I paying anything near that sum for one of those. I paid about 400FIM more than that for my PS2 though. I guess our taxes are so f\'n high then...
I paid 599SEK for Shenmue 2 (had to buy it from Stockholm \'cause it\'s nowhere to be found here in Finland), and most PS2 games I saw in the stores we browsed through cost about as much, bad choice of store I guess :p
To top that, everything here in Finland seems to be more expensive than in Sweden, we have to pay about 650SEK for PS2 games already... wonder how the XBox prices compare.
In finland the console prices go somethin\' like this :
PS2 : ~ 1990FIM
GCN : Some predict about 1500FIM, others a bit higher
XBox : 3000 if it\'s the same as in Sweden, but I bet my head on the price being at least 3500FIM, so it\'ll be more than double GC. No wonder there, all the prices are f\'d up over here
N64 : ~ 1300FIM (okay, this is silly, but I really saw this "offer" just recently)
GBA : ~ 900FIM
DC : ~ lucky is someone knows this beast exists
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Webhallen used to be cheap.. Now they had to raise their prices to about 500-550. (Elgiganten is cheap I heard, to bad they dont have a store in my town)
Hawk: 1990FIM is a good price.. I think you can find a Xbox for about 3300FIM :)
Btw I wonder if that rumoured price cut in March is true. I wouldn’t bet to much on it. I think MGS2 and those other games (not to mention the price of the Xbox) are enough to keep people from buying a Xbox.
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What a big ass mistake. European market is growing! How could MS make the Xbox cost so much there?
Someone needs to smack a pie into Bill Gates\' face again! :D
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What a big ass mistake. European market is growing! How could MS make the Xbox cost so much there?
Someone needs to smack a pie into Bill Gates\' face again!
Well you obviously didn\'t read watchdog\'s thread, there he pretty much explains why $MS is selling the console at a high price, here read it.
Originally posted by watchdog
Let\'s face it Japan and the US are the biggest consumers and that is where MS aparently left their pocket book.
MS probably knows that the other markets aren\'t as important and since it won\'t lose any money there, there is no risk.
MS is taking a huge risk in Japan (and even a risk in the US) and didn\'t want to jump in with both feet all around the world. It seems like smart business to me--they can\'t compete with the userbase or price in Europe so they decided not to even try. Anything they sell there is just gravy.
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And that means he\'s right?
Who the hell is gonna buy the console at that price range when the PS2 has so much more to offer? Europeans are no different than you or me when it comes to money and common sense.
I can understand why Bill Gates got the cream pie in his face in Brussels! :laughing:
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I can understand why Bill Gates got the cream pie in his face in Brussels
Oh dear! I bet you can also understand why right now I think someone ought to slap a pie in your face right now. "sarcasim"
Please tell me why Bill gates deserves that, what has he done to you. Did he attack your family, did he screw you over on a business deal.
Just because the XBOX is downright expensive in europe, dosen\'t justify the right to slap a pie in Bill Gates face, or for you to dislike him.
Gates is not obligated in any way to make XBOX affordable to you, so If you can\'t afford XBOX then buy a bloody PS2 or GC, but please don\'t ***** to MS and develop hard feeling towards the founder just cause you personally can\'t afford the European price tag.
Europeans are no different than you or me when it comes to money and common sense.
Yes they are, they do not make up the majority of gamers, (US/canada)-North America and Japan do, they are the primary sources of revenue for MS and SONY. Sure Europe is big, and there are alot of gammers there to, but like I said Watchdog said it best.
Well it looks like MS has decided not to lose any money in secondary markets. Let\'s face it Japan and the US are the biggest consumers and that is where MS aparently left their pocket book
MS is taking a huge risk in Japan (and even a risk in the US) and didn\'t want to jump in with both feet all around the world. It seems like smart business to me--they can\'t compete with the userbase or price in Europe so they decided not to even try.
This one is for you GmanJoe
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First time for everything, I guess. I agree with NVidia256, probably more than I should. Watchdog\'s quote actually makes alot of sense, too. Who cares about the European market? If XBox is a success, then they can make XBox2 cheap everywhere.
Eric Jacob
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Wow, I don\'t think I\'ve ever had so many people quoting me in agreement.
Anyway, Altered said exactly what I was hinting at but didn\'t want to say for fear of getting flamed: "Who cares about the European market"? Once xbox is established, xbox2 won\'t be such a leap of faith for gamers anywhere and it won\'t be such a financial risk.
If Europe took gaming as seriously as North America and Japan, and spent the kind of money these markets do, this debate wouldn\'t even exist.
By bowing out of those markets, MS is letting Sony and GC waste resources competing with each other. Like I said, sounds like a good business decision to me.
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Yes, Im sure thats why we get superior versions of ICO, Silent Hill 2, Metal Gear Solid 2 ect. :rolleyes:
(Its not bigger than the US/Jap.. But not small either)
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Europe is a pretty big market but like you said not as big as yours.
Guess we got better things to do than sit and play games all day long, then go and fight about them online afterwards.
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Heh...such ignorance. Some of you think Europe is a waste? You\'re telling me that Sony and Nintendo are losing money there?
Riiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:
don\'t under estimate the European market. It may not be as lucrative as the US or Asia, but it\'s not chump change either.
Customer loyalty gets in return brand loyalty from consumers. Isn\'t that right, Fastson, you Viking pillager? ;)
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I never said they were losing money, but they are a known entity and it is not as big a step for them to release there. It\'s a huge investment for MS, especially if they price aggressively, but by not price matching, MS will not lose any money and can only gain.
Primary focus should be in US and Japan.
And there is no such thing as brand loyalty. If that were true we\'d all have DCs or SNESs. Many people who bought the PSX were owners of either a Geneis or SNES, if customer loyalty is as big a factor as you claim, there would be no PS2.
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Let\'s see.....Sega orphaned a few of its systems quite early, like Sega CD, 32X, Game Gear. Leaving its consumers with a relatively dead system.
Nintendo....when its gamers grew up, its games didn\'t. And it stayed cartridge format when it made the N64. Thus leaving many developers with little room for its big ideas and so had to move on to PSX. You can say the gamers are faithful to the developers....but not all gamers can buy every system.
Anyway....some of you insinuated that to compete in the European market would be a waste. But hey, if MS wants to sell its system at a profit like Sony, so be it. Yeah, Sony is making a profit off of the PS2 console, after all, they make thier own stuff (MS buys it parts from Cyrix, among others).
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I thought Toshiba, an ACTUAL chip maker, made the chips in PS2.
Sony is an electronics company.
Eric Jacob
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Firstly, Sony doesn\'t make the PS2\'s parts, Altered is quite right.
And secondly you are proving my point, gamer\'s minds can be changed, and that\'s why MS isn\'t too worried about Europe in this generation or at least this year. Who knows, this time next year the xbox could be priced differently.
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True, consumers can change their mind. But Sony is playing things the right way. So I don\'t see any problems for Sony in that regard.
Toshiba and Sony made a joint venture to help develop the chip and then Sony built its own chip foundries to assemble the chips themselves.
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I don\'t see whats so funny xbox has the best hardware out all 3 systems. It\'s internet ready and has a HDD.
But surely it will be tough with 2 other cheap systems and sony already ahead with ps2 which has had a 1 year lead and gained a nice chunk of user base there.
I don\'t see nintendo being a factotr xbox should do well in europe but not close to sony there 1 year lead seems to be too much.
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Yeah, I would have mentioned that, but I\'m not sure gamers really think about the whole picture:
Buy an xbox.
OR
Buy a PS2 + memory card + multi-tap + HD + Modem.
I\'ll bet that with everything added, you are spending more for the PS2 bundle.
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Originally posted by mm
twice as much?
/me shakes head in disgust
Didn\'t you get yours at a cut down price anyway ?
so i guess it would be tripple the price in your books ;)
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Yeah, I would have mentioned that, but I\'m not sure gamers really think about the whole picture:
Buy an xbox.
OR
Buy a PS2 + memory card + multi-tap + HD + Modem.
I\'ll bet that with everything added, you are spending more for the PS2 bundle.
You would be paying more if you bought all that crap, but chances are, most gamers won\'t buy it. The chances of the PS2 online being successful is like one in a million. It just isn\'t going to happen this generation for Sony.
Most gamers could care less about online gaming. The casual gamer just doesn\'t have that much interest in video games to worry about those kinds of things. So in their minds, they can buy a PS2 for $300; a NGC for $240; or an online-ready Xbox, a feature that most of them probably won\'t ever use, for $475.
And add to that the fact that (correct me if I\'m wrong) Broadband isn\'t widely spread in Europe yet, and that makes the Xbox look even less appealing.
Microsoft must have very high expectations for their Japanese launch to be giving the Europeans the cold shoulder like this.
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I agree that Sony can\'t do online this generation, but online is becoming important--the popularity of Everquest is evidence enough of this.
It could become big, if it doesn\'t feel like online. MS has claimed that it\'ll be a selection on the main menu: Online Game. With broadband there is no dial up, it could be instant, and you could be playing against a real person almost as quickly as you could a AI controlled one. This would appeal to anyone and this would add amazing value to any game. If online play can be this easy, MS could become the new king very easily. People get bored of games because they become old and easy, with online, games last much longer.
If MS can deliver on thier promises, everything could change.
How long would anyone play Diablo2 without an online option? I played that game for over two years pretty religiously.
I don\'t think it has any thing to do with expectations. They just don\'t want to invest that much all over. Small steps. If they don\'t spend in Europe they don\'t lose, worst case they break even.
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But how many casual gamers played Everquest? Maybe one or two at the most. ;) The only people who played Everquest are the hardcore computer fanboys who upgrade their computer every month and who could care less about console gaming.
The issue here isn\'t if the game will feel online or not, it\'s if the casual gamer is willing to pay for it, and if they are willing to pay for it, will they even be able to use it. Most casual gamers aren\'t going to pay $50 for the game, then $50 a month for Broadband, then an additional $15 per month (just estimating) for the online gaming. And because Broadband is still in its early stages, it isn\'t in nearly enough houses for Microsoft to make any money off of it.
I agree with you 100% though about online gaming being tons funner than offline gaming. But most casual gamers don\'t know how much fun online gaming can be, so they won\'t see anything that would warrent the costs.
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You can\'t say that of the millions of Evercrack users none of them care about consoles. If consoles bring it, they will come.
And you\'re wrong about EQ and its players. It is known for its newbie friendly atmosphere and learning curve. It\'s the online game for the newbie.
The DC online community was pretty big considering its userbase. MS is going to market this so that people believe that they have to have it. No one thought EQ was going to work, but they were wrong.
If the game is great people will pay. If it\'s a flat fee to play every game in your library (including all MMGs) it\'ll be cheaper to play on the xbox than each one seperately on your computer. If there is no lag, and there really won\'t be since the DC was so good on a 56k, people will come.
How many will come to GTA4 when it goes online? FF? Halo?
Everything starts with the hardcore players, and then it becomes mainstream. If the online thing takes off and people love it, word will spread and people will "give it a try". Once they see how much better games are online, who\'s to say they\'ll just as easily return to single player?
Gaming is becoming more acceptable as a form of entertainment, people pay thousands of dollars on entertainment a year.
$15 bucks a month is $180 bucks a year. That\'s nothing. I make that in a few hours. It\'s not much money, and if you think about it, online gaming extends the life of games you have, making you need fewer games a year. You could argue you break even.
Money is the least of MS\'s worries. The big hurdle is getting people to get over the notion that playing games online isn\'t for geeks or nerds. If they can do that, this console war becomes a lot more interesting than it already is.
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Also, most people already buy games and have broadband. Those expenses are a given and they would spend that money regardless. It\'s really only the monthly that is extra really.
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Ok, good points Watchdog. I guess the Xbox online actually can be successful, but probably not in Europe. :) That\'s probably why Microsoft is making Europe their last priority.
One thing I want to point out though is that MMORPGs and games like that will require additional money per month to play. It will still be only one payment per month, but the cost will be a little higher if you are playing MMORPGs. Microsoft stated that in their last interview.
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I think you guys are missing the point.
MS is selling the MSBox for over $400 in Europe.
HA! What a waste of money.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
MS is selling the MSBox for over $400 in Europe.
HA! What a waste of money.
Yeah in the eyes of a diehard PS2 fan
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We\'ve addressed that point Gman, read above.
I didn\'t know that about MMGS, oh well, so long as the cost monthly doesn\'t become onerous, it won\'t become the deciding factor.
The big thing is that if people want to play online, xbox is really their only alternative.