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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: GmanJoe on February 08, 2002, 08:48:40 AM
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http://www.capwiz.com/now/issues/alert/?alertid=95878&type=CU
My character NEVER took drugs. Everything slows down too much! :D
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Stupid bloody women, always stickin there noses in!!!! Doin drugs?? A slowmo pill, thats it, and they dont have a go at Max Payne do they!!!!
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Heh....Bugs Bunny cartoons had far more violent acts than GTA3. Guns, explosives, stabbings, amputations, beat downs, cliff drops, anvil drops, cross dressing....(I must admit, Bugs looked hot in a dress! :D )
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Although the game is rated for "mature" players only (17 and up), we know for a fact that younger kids are getting their hands on it.
And this is Rockstars fault why? These ladies are going after the wrong people. Maybe they should go tell the parents out there that they are bad parents for letting their children play this game. :rolleyes: That should go over quite nicely. ;)
The game is just a fantasy some say. But how many young men fantasized about picking up and beating to death a hooker before a video game suggested the idea?
And how many people fantasize about that after they played the game? They are taking what some people say way out of context.
People who have played the game say that the beating is bloody and done with a baseball bat that you can feel in your hands through the PlayStation controller.
:laughing:
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Heh, they said that?
"The game is just a fantasy some say. But how many young men fantasized about picking up and beating to death a hooker before a video game suggested the idea?"
As if to say crime only began post-GTA3.
That\'s a pretty lame arguement. Luckily, most people can still see that.
... Here, I just read it and found another fine quote:
"Even if violent games like "GTA 3" don\'t have a direct effect on our behavior, if the games are just an escape, what does that say about how we escape? Is this our definition of "fun" now?"
In a word: yes! :D
-Eik
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Yeah.... Just like a woman. Trying\' to get more attention and some extra pay-olla in the pocket for that wardrobe that never ends... I shouldn\'t say that "every" woman is like that, but I must say that it\'s pretty typical for some organization to go picking\' on a video game. In my opinion, it\'s nothing short of naive. They fear what they don\'t know!:mad:
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I don\'t read NOW, NOW sux.
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I would pay more attention to what they had to say if they took thier top\'s off before they started talking.
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What a LOAD of OLD CR@p !
and the "women" at N.O.W. can Quote me on that !
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Haha, I was wondering when the GTA3 backlash would finally hit. 9/11 through people off for a little while, but I knew it was only a matter of time before some meddling parents got their hands on it. Well you know what I have to say that? The National Organization for Women can suck my...nah, forget that. I hope they do suceed in getting it banned. eBay here I come! :D
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I don\'t bother reading anything written by women in large groups.
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eBay here I come!
Haha! We think the same. I\'ve been bitten by the ebay bug last year and have made over a thousand dollars already. If this does get banned I\'ll be purchasing every copy of GTA III I see!!
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How the hell do u have sex with the hookers i didnt know u could do that?
:) :) :) :) :)
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I don\'t agree with that statement but...
Whenever it\'s a group of WOMEN saying something (anything) everyone focuses on that they are women.
Whenever there\'s a group of MEN saying something (anything) it\'s just normal. No one reacts to that.
It\'s a strange world we are living in.
Oh well. Shouldn\'t bother reading anything written by men in large groups.
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Originally posted by SmallLady
I don\'t agree with that statement but...
Whenever it\'s a group of WOMEN saying something (anything) everyone focuses on that they are women.
Whenever there\'s a group of MEN saying something (anything) it\'s just normal. No one reacts to that.
It\'s a strange world we are living in.
Oh well. Shouldn\'t bother reading anything written by men in large groups.
The reason why we notice is coz of the title of their group : National Organization for WOMEN. They want us to know that these are the opinions of women.
Which brings the next question. How come they never said anything during the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal? Oh yeah....N.O.W. liked Clinton! :D
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i know girls who love gta3 more than i do.
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It\'s a strange world we are living in.
Yes it is. If a man attempts to get a woman into bed, it\'s sexual harassment. If a woman attempts to get a man into bed, the man is lucky. Strange world indeed.
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I think they are women looking for attention. There isnt a damn contact. I would get into an arguement with those *****es. Its a damn game. Why are people over reacting. It isn\'t manipulating out kids. I\'ve been playing violent games for like 10 years and they havn\'t changed me.
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I think they are women looking for attention. There isnt a damn contact. I would get into an arguement with those *****es. Its a damn game. Why are people over reacting. It isn\'t manipulating out kids. I\'ve been playing violent games for like 10 years and they havn\'t changed me.
Wow, a bit defensive there. Perhaps you are reacting to the comments in this fashion simply because games have warped your sense of anger management? Whateevr game did this, I will inform NOW of what it is so they can ban it immediately.
hehe, j\\k ;)
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I just don\'t like people like this. They think that video games warp peoples minds. They think that video games should be nice and cute. Not a fictional city with fictional people in a violent world. They want games off the shelves because they are violent and they don\'t understand them. They are only games, not real. They are fictional. I just might contact this NOW group and give them a piece of my mind.
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I sent a nice little letter as to how i felt about the subject. its not the develoupers job or respocibility to decide whats right for any given kid. Its the parents job.
\'ooo. Grand Theft Auto 3 rated M for Mature due to strong violence and language and suggestive theemes. I think little timmy will love this for his 6th birthday\'
Some parents just arent responcible enough to read what they buy thier kids or they dont know what thier kids buy themselves.
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i do believe that videogames and movies can affect some people... but the way these people are putting their opinions forward is just ignorant...
did you write this pstwo??
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Thanks for the good laughs. In short the game is an 18 therefore that entitles this game to cover lots of things that adults can view. If children can get hold of this game then thats for the parents to sort out.
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No offence ladies but man do these broads suck it hard. In the end its the parents fault. Women like femenists too do dumb stuff like this. " Our children need to be protected" blah blah blah. They\'re nothing but some tight @$$, publicty hoging, fat ugly, women unite, women dont have rights, B!.#E$. God i ate those kinda mom type ....... yeah ill stop now. :p
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thats just sad, im not even gonna say more than that, cos they are so sad
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Whoa! I can\'t believe how some of you are reacting. You\'d think that NOW was as organization with a mission to separate all male genitalia from male body. The group of people in NOW embody the same type of thinking that has allowed women to vote, and just in the past several decades allowed women equal rights in the workplace.
I do NOT agree with their views on gun-control, and I do not believe that video games lead to violence, but they do have a point about some of the content in GTA3. I have the game, I like it for the most part, but picking up hookers, then beating them to get your money back? I am disgusted that this was allowed in the game, and I\'m disgusted that so many of you enjoy it. I\'ve seen MANY comments on this board condoning prostitution. Bladez asks what to do with some money that\'s burning a hole in his pocket. Many replies - "get a hooker...ha ha." Prostitution in this world is a huge problem, whether it be girls, women, boys...support of such behavior isn\'t going to help it go away.
If I had a child, I would do my best to teach them wrong from right, and fantasy from reality. I would pay attention to the ratings on movies, music, and videogames. And I would feel like a complete failure if I walked in on my son/daughter getting enjoyment out of picking up a video hooker then proceeding to beat the hell out of her.
I don\'t want to make any enemies on this board. I admit, I really like you guys - just offering a different perspective.
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Originally posted by Sara
Whoa! I can\'t believe how some of you are reacting. You\'d think that NOW was as organization with a mission to separate all male genitalia from male body. The group of people in NOW embody the same type of thinking that has allowed women to vote, and just in the past several decades allowed women equal rights in the workplace.
I do NOT agree with their views on gun-control, and I do not believe that video games lead to violence, but they do have a point about some of the content in GTA3. I have the game, I like it for the most part, but picking up hookers, then beating them to get your money back? I am disgusted that this was allowed in the game, and I\'m disgusted that so many of you enjoy it. I\'ve seen MANY comments on this board condoning prostitution. Bladez asks what to do with some money that\'s burning a hole in his pocket. Many replies - "get a hooker...ha ha." Prostitution in this world is a huge problem, whether it be girls, women, boys...support of such behavior isn\'t going to help it go away.
If I had a child, I would do my best to teach them wrong from right, and fantasy from reality. I would pay attention to the ratings on movies, music, and videogames. And I would feel like a complete failure if I walked in on my son/daughter getting enjoyment out of picking up a video hooker then proceeding to beat the hell out of her.
I don\'t want to make any enemies on this board. I admit, I really like you guys - just offering a different perspective.
the prostitution part of the game was taken out of the Australian version :( its being re-released here soon. i say this is a bad thing purely from thepoint of view that i dont get the full game, so im going to efforts to get the original, but onto my point :)
not to disagree with you, but you must know that (most of us here) seperate the fantasy world from the actual world (god i sound stupid :D). Maybe sex is a touchy subject with the lady here, but i dont see how you can possibly say that its the worst part of the game. You r obviously aware that in the game you can go on mass killing sprees, see how many kills with a flamethrower (etc) you can get in a minute and things like this. Things like this are added into the game for a) fun b) depth c) novelty. How can you say something else such as the use of a prostitute then killing her is much worse than what is essentially genocide? :D I dont see how this is condoning the use of prostitution (or violence on prostitutes for that matter)
From an early age children do learn right from wrong, fantasy from reality, parents are an important factor in this learning and i agree that you should go to extra length to teach your children this... you say you would feel a failure if you saw them getting enjoyment out of beating the hell out of a videogame hooker... you seem to be able to pass up one act of violence and criminal behavious but cant get past this issue. What is the difference? because sex is involved? Because prostitution is a real problem?? I think the bigger (real world) issue would be violence, theft and other related crimes. I dont see your reasoning in being disgusted in what facet of the game due to its real world connotations, then finding enjoyment in (what i see as) much worse real world aspects of the game
plus, i would say that the constant bombardment of telling Bladez to get a hooker would be not so much the fact that "tee hee, im telling him to get a hooker" but more so the fact that he cant get a date :p haha, that poor los...ohh...thats right.. *cant get a date either* :(:(:(
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You\'re right, there IS a lot of other violence. The reason I hate the hooker part so much is because when you kill a cop, your wanted level goes up at least a couple stars, when you have to kill 30 members of a gang during the rampages, the other members come after you, but when you pick up a hooker, you get rewarded with health.
Strange as this may seem, I might feel a little better about it if the main character caught crabs and had to scratch his crotch until he visted the local health clinic.
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hahah, that would actuallymake the game so awesome :D i wouldnt stop laughing :D
bonus sub-game, get to the local health clinic as fast as possible..
or give crabs to as many hookers as possible :confused: eh, maybe not
but i didnt know about being rewarded with health. even so, there is still a major line differenciating the real world and fantasy world, it was really only put in as a novelty item, and its probably best not to think too hard about its implications..
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Prostitution in this world is a huge problem, whether it be girls, women, boys...support of such behavior isn\'t going to help it go away.
Here\'s the problem with your logic: There\'s a lot of women in this world who prefer to be a prostitute as opposed to being a hard working business woman. The reasons behind them are several:
The money. Like any other job, being a prostitute gets you lots of cash. Sex sells, plain and simple. Did you know that the pornography industry made more money than every sport combined last year? That\'s baseball, football, soccer, hockey, everything... porno movies made more. That\'s insane when you think about it, but if a woman can do it like that legitimately, then why not do it under the guise of those who want it when they need it? Who cares where so long as they make like 300 (i assume) bucks a night? What job do you know of that makes 300 bucks a day?
I dunno, but women who pose for Playboy and women who are in porno movies make top dollar and all they have to do is what comes natural to us as human beings just with a camera running. Getting a salary on paper from some director is no different then getting it under the table from some stranger. It\'s sex, no matter how you legalize or sugar coat it. How women choose to lead their lives is not your concern no matter how immoral you think it is. As long as there is a need for it, it will always be here.
People need to defend themselves, so we make guns, despite the fact that they kill people. Even dorks need to have sex, even though most women won\'t touch them with a stick... If there\'s a need, there\'s a market.
Speaking of which, I think prostitution is a real part of life. It\'s everywhere, legalized in certain countries as a matter of fact and that business is very profitable there. Just like the homeless, global warming, war, chemical warfare, and so many other dangers out there, it\'s a real part of life. Why should a game ignore that aspect if it\'s really around? You can\'t just pretend it\'s not there like some myth or phantom, it\'s been there for hundreds of years and abolishing it will probably never happen.
On a side note for the health attribute of it all: Other than dolphins, humans are the only other species that can take pleasure in sex. Adding health to your vitality meter can be interpreted just as the main character being satisfied from their experience.
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Ryu -
I think Hollywood has glamorized prostitution. Pretty Woman, Leaving Las Vegas, Wild Side. I\'m sure there are some high-class prostitutes that enjoy their job, and I\'m sure they make up about .5% of total prostitutes.
90% of (U.S.) prostitutes are survivors of sexual abuse as a child, which among other things, leads to extremely low self-worth. A majority of those 90% were also beaten as children. Most prostitutes don\'t think they have a choice, and most of them start before they\'re 16 years old. 75% of prostitutes have attempted suicide. As for cash, most of it goes to the pimp. Most street hookers DO have a pimp, as they need the "protection."
http://www.icasa.org/uploads/prostitution.pdf
As far as pornography, yes, it is a form of prostitution, with higher-paid, more organized pimps. There is more money, and more glamour for women, compared to street hookers. But even so, it\'s another industry filled with dysfunction and drugs. And come on guys, how many women in porn really look like they\'re having a good time? How many of them do you think have orgasms on screen?
I don\'t even want to IMAGINE what the statistics are in places like Bankok.
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That is probably true Sara, but N.O.W. has to be very ignorant if they think that getting rid of GTA3 will help the current prostitution situation in any way. I like some of the things they fight for, but I definitely do not agree with this one. IMO, they are being too close minded and aren\'t seeing the whole picture. They are fighting against something that neither helps or hurts the current real-world prostitution/violence situation.
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I don\'t agree with what they\'re saying in the article about the mafia hits, drugs, and carjacking. Hell, they would have to petition a lot more games than GTA3. My problem is the way in which the game encourages and rewards picking up hookers, i.e. degradation of women.
I do agree with you that taking the game off the market isn\'t going to help, especially with the millions of copies that are already in circulation. There is no such thing as bad publicity, as they say. In my opinion, the hooker part of the game should have never been allowed in the final release.
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Hey.....what\'s wrong with a little loving in a violent world like Statton Island and Liberty City? :D
It\'s ironic that out of all the violent games out, they go after the one where a man goes out lookin\' for love....and love heals all! And when he\'s hurt, he goes lookin\' for some lovin! :D
For the record, I never beat up the women. I had way too much money anyway....and I never bought the weapons or ammo since I picked up all the hidden packages! And the cars I stole were from the Mafia or Diablos! :p
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NOW doesn\'t even have the information right. They said that the drug SPANK is taken by the character. They said the only way to get health back is to have sex with prostitutes (which reminds me, Sara, you don\'t have to have sex with the prostitutes you know). They said some other things but can\'t remember them and I\'m too lazy to check back at the article. If they are going to rant about a game, they should atleast get their info right.
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Originally posted by Sara
My problem is the way in which the game encourages and rewards picking up hookers, i.e. degradation of women.
But its just a small novelty feature in a game. I think Ryu raised the valid point that prostitutes exist, then why should games ignore them? particularly in a game that is all about drugs, crime, violence and hookers? It makes perfect sense that they are a part of the game, and its just a small novelty feature that i really dont think encourages the use of prostitutes in the real world. You brought up you\'d like to see him catch crabs etc. etc. Personally, i think this would have been a great ideas for the developers to put in and pretty much everyone else would love it to. Why? Because its a silly little novelty in the game thats not meant to be taken seriously.
If anything is encouraging prostitution its the hollywood movies you spoke of which dd glamour and sparkle to the world of prostitution.
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In the artcile they do admit they haven\'t even played the game, nor seen the feature they are complaining about;
"People who have played the game say that the beating is bloody and done with a baseball bat that you can feel in your hands through the PlayStation controller. "
Can\'t they at least play the game before judging it?
(does anyone see echoes of discrimination here? - turn a woman down for a job because you want to hire a man - predjudice, discrimination...... Slate a game without playing it.... FEMINISM.)
Hmmm.... double standards?
Plus in GTA-3 you are not forced to pick up prostitutes - you can collect health power ups, you are not forced to kill prostitites. So don\'t do it if it bothers you....
And as for sobbing about kids playing it - its meant for adults! Parents/Shops etc shouldn\'t sell this game to kids, anymore than they should let kids watch adult rated films - would this group demand certain films are banned because kids can see them (even though they shouldn\'t)???
Yeah the content of GTA-3 is controversial - but then so are the gangster movies it has drawn influence from. But its a great piece of entertainment that responsible people who know right from wrong can enjoy and escape for a couple of hours.
But the most controversial thing about GTA-3 in my opinion is a group of people demanding that the game be banned without having even SEEN it.
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Feminists need to be beaten with a bat (or run over or sniped) and have their money stolen.
"He ain\'t no gentleman, that one!" Old woman walking the streets of Grand Theft Auto 3.
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Originally posted by scarydonkey
In the artcile they do admit they haven\'t even played the game, nor seen the feature they are complaining about;
"People who have played the game say that the beating is bloody and done with a baseball bat that you can feel in your hands through the PlayStation controller. "
Can\'t they at least play the game before judging it?
(does anyone see echoes of discrimination here? - turn a woman down for a job because you want to hire a man - predjudice, discrimination...... Slate a game without playing it.... FEMINISM.)
Hmmm.... double standards?
Plus in GTA-3 you are not forced to pick up prostitutes - you can collect health power ups, you are not forced to kill prostitites. So don\'t do it if it bothers you....
And as for sobbing about kids playing it - its meant for adults! Parents/Shops etc shouldn\'t sell this game to kids, anymore than they should let kids watch adult rated films - would this group demand certain films are banned because kids can see them (even though they shouldn\'t)???
Yeah the content of GTA-3 is controversial - but then so are the gangster movies it has drawn influence from. But its a great piece of entertainment that responsible people who know right from wrong can enjoy and escape for a couple of hours.
But the most controversial thing about GTA-3 in my opinion is a group of people demanding that the game be banned without having even SEEN it.
WORD. Tryed to say that. I agree with you 100%. Play the game before you judge it. \'You can\'t judge a book by it\'s cover\'. Guarenteed they wouldn\'t be pushing it to be banned if it wasn\'t popular.
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stupid.. jeez.. I don\'t care.... my parents and me KNOW it\'s fake..
who cares...
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It seems like Sara should join N.O.W.
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Even though most of you disagree with what NOW has to say, you still have to respect their views.
Also, its nice to see a womens perspective on this. The thread would be pretty stupid, if we didn\'t even get to read a females response to some of the opionions we have been getting.
Now, as far as the game goes, yes it is wrong. Face it, it glorifies violence, it gives the option to pretty much kill anything with two legs, and it has a ton of suggestive themes, but thats why the M rating is there.
Which brings me to the point of conflict. NOW claims that people under the age of 17 are playing this game, which is most likely true. However instead of warning parents, and suggesting that they should probably be with their child whenever they purchase a game, they start saying that the game should be taken of the shelves and banned.
If thats the case, then why not ban every R movie thats released. Why not ban adult magizines, or anything that might have suggestive themes. The logic just doesn\'t make sense.
Oh well, it was still an intersting article, and its nice to see that the women of NOW are still active in trying to protect kids or something.
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Originally posted by Sara
My problem is the way in which the game encourages and rewards picking up hookers, i.e. degradation of women.
I do agree with you that taking the game off the market isn\'t going to help, especially with the millions of copies that are already in circulation. There is no such thing as bad publicity, as they say. In my opinion, the hooker part of the game should have never been allowed in the final release.
Ok well like what has been said is that hookers do exist. And you can beat everybody in the game so you must exclude the fact that you can beat them down for money cause you can do that to everyone. Hookers "do" people and thats what they do in the game. Many people like sex and pretty much all sex is rewarding to most, ( unless certain "small" issues happen to "pop up"). So since you really dont get any physical sensation you are instead rewarded with health, (you feel all nice and tigley). And hey these gals can hold their own. Ive been beat by a hooker before and they can box! (even thought i killed her in the end , just like everyone else). So really if you have a beef go to to the hookers. Maybe they didnt have the same opportunities but hell that doesnt "always" mean you have to sell your body.
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what?
Dont you pick up hookers and beat them to death to get their money?
Thats is a way of living here in Sweden, i promise you.
(Especialy for us, vikings)
(I hope you get the irony :clown: )
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Ok. I finally read this article. And it\'s actually a well written one too. But it may be in vain for the most part. I know of someone that has this game and when I saw them playing it the first thing that I asked them was, "Should you be playing this game?" I haven\'t played it myself yet, but I did watch them play it for a while and I DID like it. But I didn\'t see all of this stuff that poeple are talking about. Maybe they didn\'t know about it at the time because I sure didn\'t.
I can understand N.O.W.\'s point. And I can agree with them to a certain extent. But it\'s not Rockstars nor is it Sony\'s fault that younger kids are playing these games, it the retailers that sell it to the kids and/or the parents that but it for them. I blame no one else. If the parents aren\'t making a conscious effort to monitor what their kids are playing or doing in their homes then they are to blame, not the game industry or anyone else. Most of these games are for rent in Blockbuster or by some other means. If the parents aren\'t sure if the game is suitable for their children they can alway used this option to find out themselves orthey could watch the kids play it to see what it is about. There are no excuses why they can\'t find out more about the games other than they are being lazy or they just let their kids have their way when ever they want.
Unfortunately, the parents always seem to be the forgotten factor most of the time in situations like these. I\'m an adult of 35 years, I can purchase and play what I please. If there is something that I don\'t like about a game then I just don\'t buy it, I exercise my right of self-censorship. But then again I also know the difference between reality and fantasy. I\'m old enough to know that no matter how much road rage I may experience because there is a senoir citizen driving 35 mph in the fast lane that I can\'t blow them out of the way with and energy blast. That\'s only in Dragonball Z. :evil: But kids do pick up on things, and very quickly at that. And they are "shaped" by things that they are exposed too. I can\'t say that some litltle boy won\'t pick up a bat and go and beat some poor litlle girl in the head to get his lunch money back because this IS something that CAN be done. And these days we\'ve seen a lot. Too much as a matter of fact. How can you not think about Columbine (sp?) high school? They found all of this stuff in that kids home that pointed out that he was trouble IF the parents would have been paying attention. But instead they tried to blame the game "Doom" and the movie, "The Basketball Diaries."
Sara, SmallLady, you have a great arguements and I\'m glad that you visit this board. I hope that both of you and the other female gamers will continue to post here with us even if you don\'t agree with what some of the guys here are saying. It\'s great to have you all here to counter our arguements.
Guys, I have nothing to against N.O.W. or what they are saying. The only thing that I feel that they are doing wrong is placing the balme where it should really be emphasized...on the parents and the retailers.
With that said. I think I\'ll head out this morning and actually buy the game to play it myself to see what all of the fuss is about. I had heard that they were going to take out all of the "bad" stuff but then I read that they didn\'t. What\'s the truth?