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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: pstwo on February 08, 2002, 07:36:15 PM
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I can\'t wait for this title! Special thanks to IGN.com for the info. :)
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IGN talks with Argonaut about their long awaited, highly anticipated Xbox title.
Ever since we caught a glimpse of Malice during the Xbox hardware demonstration at the 2001 CES, gamers have been twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if Malice will actually look and play as beautifully as that demo promised. We\'re happy to give you the cliched update about that game and tell you that it\'s progressing nicely. So nicely in fact that Argonaut was more than happy to tell us a thing or two about the little lady with the giant hammer.
In a rare display of unity the team at Argonaut was interviewed as a single entity, no individual names were given. This wasn\'t done to protect the innocent as much as it was done to show how the individual elements of a game must come together into one cohesive whole. The designers, artists, programmers, sound people and anybody else with something to say contributed answers to the questions IGN had about Malice.
Take your time to absorb the details and love the fresh crop of new screenshots we\'ve included in the story.
IGN: Is there more pressure on you to get the most out of the Xbox because Malice was included in the demonstration of the hardware?
Argonaut: Certainly, there are expectations, but the truth is we like to apply that pressure to ourselves...it\'s kind of how all this started, a bunch of hugely inventive coders and artists working from a very mad design. Microsoft liked what we were doing and asked us to put one of our levels into a format they could use to demo the hardware at CES.
Having Malice seen as one of the first games to demonstrate the power of Xbox was a moment of pride for us all and a realisation of the vision and potential of all our hard work on this title and on this particular platform. The technology available in developing for the Xbox has allowed us to realise and characterise the whole premise of the game to some phenomenal extremes.
We have a bunch of people doing nothing but looking for as many cool things as we can do with all this cool new hardware...the temptation is always to push it till it breaks and then bring it back from the brink. Pressure? Of course there\'s pressure... but we love it.
More here: http://xbox.ign.com/news/41515.html
Look at the bumpmapping!!
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God damn!!!!!!!
That 2nd pic, is nice......*drools*
Any word on the release date yet? Who knows, this game could end up being a good game on Xbox. Still no word on the gameplay sadly :(
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why are the back ground textures so blurry? look at the ground she is standing on..
frankly J&D looks better than these tiny pics..
then again, this does look pretty sewper with larger pics, and i havent seen it in motion..
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I\'m not sure what you mean, but J&D does not look as good as these pics. I say pics because who knows what the actual game will look like.
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those pics arent as impressive as the original pics, but seeing as J&D looks horrible in pics compared to in motion on a Teevee, ill refrain from making such comparisons in the futture.
but for the record, im not impressed by these pics
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Bob, I\'ve noticed that picture was odd too, but I think the game is not done yet. It should look better later. =)
Terry Bogard, don\'t know a soild release date yet, but I\'m hoping some word will leak out soon. =)
Watchdog, J&D takes the show untill we see this one done, we will know how well it stands. But with the bumpmapping in Malice, this will set aside the rest. =)
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uhh...i dont know what makes you think it will look better at a later date pstwo...i wouldnt count on it... characters seem to look good, but to me, the background textures seem a little blurry
and alas, no word on gameplay so we are stuck talking about how the game looks
Watchdog, J&D takes the show untill we see this one done, we will know how well it stands. But with the bumpmapping in Malice, this will set aside the rest
you know...its not thew only game out there with bump mapping :)
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hehe yeah the background textures seem a little blurry. =)
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Well ive seen the game in motion and it looks really good. J&D is still one of my fav. games though. Ive seen screens from the ps2 version too and to my surprize they were not that far off from the xbox version. I have yet to see a screen to compare the bump-mapping on the ps2 version. I hope they dont bomb, eventhough i doubt they will.
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Bob malice beats j and d graphics pretty bad just look at it malice has better textures, bump mapping, and very detail backgrounds. Don\'t get me wrong j and d looks good, but malice looks better.
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Originally posted by rastalant
Bob malice beats j and d graphics pretty bad just look at it malice has better textures, bump mapping, and very detail backgrounds. Don\'t get me wrong j and d looks good, but malice looks better.
Your comment above proves that you are a fanboy rasta, not an all around gamer. That whole comment screams Xbox fanboyism. You call yourself all around? Hmm, don\'t make a post where you can\'t back it up with facts. Are there facts that say that Malice looks better then J and D? no........Malice beats J and D pretty bad, hmm, another fanboy comment. Malice looks sweet, but there is no way in hell it beats J and D "Pretty bad" like you said it does....
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Originally posted by rastalant
Bob malice beats j and d graphics pretty bad just look at it malice has better textures, bump mapping, and very detail backgrounds. Don\'t get me wrong j and d looks good, but malice looks better.
naawww, i need to see Malice running on a full screen TV before i can really compare the two. but those pics posted in this thread show a severe lack of details, bad texturing and... who the hell cares about bump mapping?? its a nice little feature, but c\'mon..
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even from bad quality captures you can see the ground isnt as blurry as what malices is, how can you say thetexturing is better..? look over in the corner of that malice pic...its all just one color
..paint me unimpressed
better pics would prolly help, saying its beats J&D pretty bad...eh
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Malice does not blow J&D away.
J&D has a very impressive drawdistance. And I think Naughty Dog did a great job on the textures.
Now.. I cant wait for J&D2.. (Which, rast is going to have bumpmapped textures.. Which seems so important to you) :P
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
Your comment above proves that you are a fanboy rasta, not an all around gamer. That whole comment screams Xbox fanboyism. You call yourself all around? Hmm, don\'t make a post where you can\'t back it up with facts. Are there facts that say that Malice looks better then J and D? no........Malice beats J and D pretty bad, hmm, another fanboy comment. Malice looks sweet, but there is no way in hell it beats J and D "Pretty bad" like you said it does....
So your a fanboy if you think malice looks better than J & D? oooookkkkaaaayyyyyyy......i guess I\'m a fanboy for thinking doa3 looks better than doa2:hardcore as well.:rolleyes:
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Well those screens aren\'t the best example, I\'ve seen others that are far and away better than those, but as I said earlier, these are just screen shots, and really who knows what the final game will look like. This argument shouldn\'t even exist.
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Originally posted by rastalant
So your a fanboy if you think malice looks better than J & D? oooookkkkaaaayyyyyyy......i guess I\'m a fanboy for thinking doa3 looks better than doa2:hardcore as well.:rolleyes:
but...you are a fanboy :p
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
but...you are a fanboy :p
Uhhhhhh.......a fanboy of what?
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
who the hell cares about bump mapping?? its a nice little feature, but c\'mon..
Bob, about the bumpmapping. IMO, with bump mapping in a game will make a huge difference.
Just look at our sad little shrek game, just the bumpmapping effects can bring out a game very much as you can see. IMO, it\'s not just another nice little feature, it\'s a jump of a feature. Night time in Halo anyone? In Halo, night time experience has change for me. =)
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Bumpmapping on him.
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LOL! Bumpmapping on signs.
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Night time with bumpmapping is another story. So the question is, does it make a differents?
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Without bumapping efects.
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thats...uhhh....fantastic? like i said, it is a nice little feature, but its not essential... it makes games look a little better than it would without it obviously...but if the game doesnt already look good for polygons, texturing, artistic reasons... its not gonna make anyones eyes pop out...
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Bob, I just thought of this, one of PS2 game that don\'t need the bump mapping effects is ICO. ICO looks very great without it. Can you imagine if ICO had this effects. WOW! =)
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but...ICO isnt even the best looking PS2 game............................*fell off the chair*
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bump mapping = less FPS
thats all it is to me
bump mapping has been around for PC games for years, and i turn it right off
its a gimmick, nothing more
oh, and on a side note. the developers of the Shrek game should be hella ashamed of themselves for making such a steaming pile of crap
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To be fair, bump mapping is a very nice feature. But it\'s no big deal for me. I\'ve seen it in most of my PC games.
Frankly, X-box will always be superior to the PS2 in terms of graphics..but the difference is NOT THAT significant. Just like PS2 to DC. It\'s all about the games, I\'ve tons of bump-mapped PC games and frankly, most of them sucked.
A gamer talk and play games..not whinning about some new hardware feature...if u wanna whine about hardware feature, u can turn to the PC coz u can whine all about the new stuff every 6 months to your satisfaction.
And frankly rastalant, with all due respect, you ARE A GRAPHIC WHORE.
No hard feelings, dude.
btw, in an unrelated incident, Serious Sam 2nd encounter on the PC seriously rocks. I hate FPS and have never play one more than 30 minutes since I\'ve completed Doom 2 , but Serious Sam just change my mind and bring back the meaning of FUN to PC FPS games. It\'s gameplay that matters.
Serious Sam is Seriously Fun - buy the game, seriously. :)
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I too could do without bump mapping, but it does make a huge difference. It makes things look much better, especially close up. Halo is a great example of this--check out a tree close up or turn your flashligt on during the night missions. It\'s more than just a neat trick, but like I said I could live without it.
Shrek is a horrible game.
Bump mapping, if implemented correctly, should not affect performance that much on the xbox. It\'s all done on hardware, and isn\'t going to add many more frames per second if not used. I say turn it on for all the difference it\'s going to make in the framerate.
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Originally posted by rastalant
So your a fanboy if you think malice looks better than J & D? oooookkkkaaaayyyyyyy......i guess I\'m a fanboy for thinking doa3 looks better than doa2:hardcore as well.:rolleyes:
Umm....nice come back...NOT. I\'m shocked. You are an Xbox fanboy. I got some mods backing me on this......YOU are a fanboy Rasta, not an all around gamer....All around gamer my ass...If you bash Nintendo you aren\'t all around. Oh, DOA3 is better looking then DOA2:HC, but it still plays the samne as HC.......Anyways, Oh, call me a sony fanboy all you want. Because, well, I guess I maybe a fanboy when it comes to CERTAIN games....but Like everyone said. MALICE does NOT blow J and D away graphically....*sigh* this is pathetic....Oh well, I guess you will never learn:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mm
bump mapping = less FPS
thats all it is to me
bump mapping has been around for PC games for years, and i turn it right off
its a gimmick, nothing more
Still wondering why you speak about hardware...when you...well...I won\'t go on :)
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Originally posted by mm
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Bump Mapping is a technique to give an object more detail without adding more polygons. It\'s a way of simulating small bumps on the surface by changing the way the light effects are calculated. A bump will usually have one side that is bright from a light source while the other side is dark because it is on the shadow side. Bump Mapping modifies the light calculations to make this happen. So it\'s important to know that Bump Mapping does not change the surface of the object it only changes the way light is reflected by the surface....
Bump Mapping is something very good and it could be the reason why ND are trying to implement it on their next game...with an inferior result(compared to the XBox)...and wasting power you could use for physics and animations...for example...
...why? because it gives you a very little advantage graphically?... XBox games in the near future will have great bump with smooth frame/rate!
bump mapping has been around for PC games for years, and i turn it right off
do you know why? ..you\'re referring to hardware like voodoo2...performing the perturbed Environment Bump Mapping..
Perturbed Environment Bump Mapping is a very advanced way to do Bump Mapping,it can handle both the light effects and can also handle bump mapping combined with environment mapping. Unfortunately no hardware(in Voodoo2 era :eyemouth: ...not too sure about it...) supports the special texture lookups needed. Disadvantage is the fact that for every frame a new environment map may be needed due to moving lights...and some of this can be done by UV perturbations (shifting of the map).
Perturbed Bump Mapping is a three pass technique. You first need to combine the bump map and its shifted version. The result is a lightmap that needs to be combined with the texture map in the third pass. On Voodoo2 hardware this technique halves the fill rate so it is not for free. The combination of the bump maps can be done in one pass using the two texelfx processors but the hardware still has to combine the lightmap with a texture map and this has to be done in a second pass. This technique also needs to CPU to calculate the shift for the bump map. For correct 3D effects the shift of the texture co-ordinates has to be recalculated for every polygon and this can put quite a bit of strain on the CPU.
The NV2a of the XBox is not a voodoo2...right? ...and even PVRSG supports this technique in hardware resulting in almost no extra CPU use... and fill rate is also hardly affected...
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you *almost* insulted my intelligence
:)
? = wtf are you talking about?
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Well...in a word...I meant that Bump could be done even on Voodoo2 using a technique called Perturbed Environment Bump Mapping but the down-side is that it halves the fill rate and you\'re using some power of the CPU...
...it\'s the reason why 2,3 years ago some people turn it right off in PC games...
I didn\'t insult your intelligence...because...I can\'t :)
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we cool :)
its not only the drop in FPS that i always turned bump mapping off
this is why
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looks like crap
its as bad as overuse of bilinear filtering, ask nintendo and the N64 blur machine about that
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Yes...it has to be used carefully...
*ask nintendo and the N64 blur machine about that*
...I still have a terrible headache...two weeks ago I played Turok with my little cousin...and each time he got scared of dinosaurs...he gave me the pad and I had to play...and play...and play:eek: ...:)
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
Umm....nice come back...NOT. I\'m shocked. You are an Xbox fanboy. I got some mods backing me on this......YOU are a fanboy Rasta, not an all around gamer....All around gamer my ass...If you bash Nintendo you aren\'t all around. Oh, DOA3 is better looking then DOA2:HC, but it still plays the samne as HC.......Anyways, Oh, call me a sony fanboy all you want. Because, well, I guess I maybe a fanboy when it comes to CERTAIN games....but Like everyone said. MALICE does NOT blow J and D away graphically....*sigh* this is pathetic....Oh well, I guess you will never learn:rolleyes:
LOL!!!!!!! Now that was funny how I\'m, i an xbox fanboy i been gaming for 17 years at least. I own almost every major system that every came out but I\'m an xbox fanboy? Okay you make sense. LOL!!!!!! If you bash nintendo your not an all around gamer? LOL!!!!! So i guess your not a true gamer if you don\'t like nintendo:rolleyes: :rolleyes: whatever........
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Originally posted by rastalant
LOL!!!!!!! Now that was funny how I\'m, i an xbox fanboy i been gaming for 17 years at least. I own almost every major system that every came out but I\'m an xbox fanboy? Okay you make sense. LOL!!!!!! If you bash nintendo your not an all around gamer? LOL!!!!! So i guess your not a true gamer if you don\'t like nintendo:rolleyes: :rolleyes: whatever........
First off, You ARE a Xbox fanboy. Hmm, 2nd off, Learn to speak properly, your language is damn near close to gibberish. Where are your complete sentences? Dude, I NEVER bashed nintendo, YOU DID. So, don\'t say I bashed them, when I clearly never did. Oh, you have every major console huh? Oh so what.........That does not make you ALL AROUND. You have to say things like, oh these games are comparable in certain aspects of the graphics. Where areas, you said, Malice blows J and D away graphically, thats not even true. The pics PStwo posted are horrible captures. Whoops horrid captures I ment. Thirdly, Rasta, you think you can win this little debate against me? Its not going to happen. You are like DirectXbox, a wanna be gamer. So, you\'ve been gaming for 17 years? So what, that doesn\'t mean jack****. Rasta, give it up....This thread needs to be closed anyways.
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You should be the one to give up, XBH. You won\'t be "destroying" anything around here.
Edit: Nice try, XBH, but no amount of editing can fix your failures.
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No kidding. I\'m with Ways on this one.
We know your tricks....*XBoxHater*
:laughing:
*holds pinky up to mouth*
MWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
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Here here. This has gone way off topic. Almost got lost there :D
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*change of sig*
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
First off, You ARE a Xbox fanboy. Hmm, 2nd off, Learn to speak properly, your language is damn near close to gibberish. Where are your complete sentences? Dude, I NEVER bashed nintendo, YOU DID. So, don\'t say I bashed them, when I clearly never did. Oh, you have every major console huh? Oh so what.........That does not make you ALL AROUND. You have to say things like, oh these games are comparable in certain aspects of the graphics. Where areas, you said, Malice blows J and D away graphically, thats not even true. The pics PStwo posted are horrible captures. Whoops horrid captures I ment. Thirdly, Rasta, you think you can win this little debate against me? Its not going to happen. You are like DirectXbox, a wanna be gamer. So, you\'ve been gaming for 17 years? So what, that doesn\'t mean jack****. Rasta, give it up....This thread needs to be closed anyways.
First off I\'m not an xbox fanboy. What when someone bashes nintendo you get offend don\'t you? I\'m an all around gamer. As for J & D played it before thats what I\'m bases this off of. Imo malice looks better you must be too much of a sony fanboy to admit it. Heh.......i can easily beat you in a debate. I like said if I\'m a xbox fanboy why did i buy 2 ps2, 2 ps1, dc, saturn, 2 pc, n64, and an xbox.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Get your facts straight before you talk okay.
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Originally posted by rastalant
First off I\'m not an xbox fanboy. What when someone bashes nintendo you get offend don\'t you? I\'m an all around gamer. As for J & D played it before thats what I\'m bases this off of. Imo malice looks better you must be too much of a sony fanboy to admit it. Heh.......i can easily beat you in a debate. I like said if I\'m a xbox fanboy why did i buy 2 ps2, 2 ps1, dc, saturn, 2 pc, n64, and an xbox.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Get your facts straight before you talk okay.
Rasta,
Just because you have all those consoles doesn\'t render the FANBOY comment obselete. But I guess, Hmm, to much of a sony fanboy to admit that Malice looks nice? Read my very first post in the thread dude. Simple as that. I said, GOD DAMN!! That 2nd pic looks nice. Rasta man, Easily beat me in a debate? Hmm, That may be half true. ****, I own a PSX, PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, PC(yes its for gaming) GBA, getting a GC soon, as well as trying to locate a saturn, Neo Geo, SNES, and NES that are properly working. So there for, I guess I\'m in need of getting some consoles in my collection. I\'ve owned those previous mentioned, but none of them stayed working that long:( But anyways, Rasta, lets just stop the dissing each other here, because its gotten quite a bit out of hand. So...check your PM though. Peace.
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
Rasta,
Just because you have all those consoles doesn\'t render the FANBOY comment obselete. But I guess, Hmm, to much of a sony fanboy to admit that Malice looks nice? Read my very first post in the thread dude. Simple as that. I said, GOD DAMN!! That 2nd pic looks nice. Rasta man, Easily beat me in a debate? Hmm, That may be half true. ****, I own a PSX, PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, PC(yes its for gaming) GBA, getting a GC soon, as well as trying to locate a saturn, Neo Geo, SNES, and NES that are properly working. So there for, I guess I\'m in need of getting some consoles in my collection. I\'ve owned those previous mentioned, but none of them stayed working that long:( But anyways, Rasta, lets just stop the dissing each other here, because its gotten quite a bit out of hand. So...check your PM though. Peace.
Sounds cool to me terry.......see ya later I\'ll send you a PM.:fro: