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By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - A Florida technology company is poised to ask the government for permission to market a first-ever computer ID chip that could be embedded beneath a person\'s skin.
For airports, nuclear power plants and other high security facilities, the immediate benefits could be a closer-to-foolproof security system. But privacy advocates warn the chip could lead to encroachments on civil liberties.
The implant technology is another case of science fiction evolving into fact. Those who have long advanced the idea of implant chips say it could someday mean no more easy-to-counterfeit ID cards nor dozing security guards.
Just a computer chip - about the size of a grain of rice - that would be difficult to remove and tough to mimic.
Other uses of the technology on the horizon, from an added device that would allow satellite tracking of an individual\'s every movement to the storage of sensitive data like medical records, are already attracting interest across the globe for tasks like foiling kidnappings or assisting paramedics.
Applied Digital Solutions\' new ``VeriChip\'\' is another sign that Sept. 11 has catapulted the science of security into a realm with uncharted possibilities - and also new fears for privacy.
``The problem is that you always have to think about what the device will be used for tomorrow,\'\' said Lee Tien, a senior attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a privacy advocacy group.
``It\'s what we call function creep. At first a device is used for applications we all agree are good but then it slowly is used for more than it was intended,\'\' he said.
Applied Digital, based in Palm Beach, Fla., says it will soon begin the process of getting Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) approval for the device, and intends to limit its marketing to companies that ensure its human use is voluntary.
``The line in the sand that we draw is that the use of the VeriChip would always be voluntarily,\'\' said Keith Bolton, chief technology officer and a vice president at Applied Digital. ``We would never provide it to a company that intended to coerce people to use it.\'\'
More than a decade ago, Applied bought a competing firm, Destron Fearing, which had been making chips implanted in animals for several years. Those chips were mainly bought by animal owners wanting to provide another way for pound workers to identify a lost pet.
Chips for humans aren\'t that much different.
But the company was hesitant to market them for people because of ethical questions. The devastation of Sept. 11 solidified the company\'s resolve to market the human chip and brought about a new sensibility about the possible interest.
``It\'s a sad time ... when people have to wonder whether it\'s safe in their own country,\'\' Bolton said.
The makers of the chip also foresee it being used to help emergency workers diagnose a lost Alzheimer\'s patient or access an unconscious patient\'s medical history.
Getting the implant would go something like this:
A person or company buys the chip from Applied Digital for about $200 and the company encodes it with the desired information. The person seeking the implant takes the tiny device - about the size of a grain of rice, to their doctor, who can insert it with a large needle device.
The doctor monitors the device for several weeks to make sure it doesn\'t move and that no infection develops.
The device has no power supply, rather it contains a millimeter-long magnetic coil that is activated when a scanning device is run across the skin above it. A tiny transmitter on the chip sends out the data.
Without a scanner, the chip cannot be read. Applied Digital plans to give away chip readers to hospitals and ambulance companies, in the hopes they\'ll become standard equipment.
The chip has drawn attention from several religious groups.
Theologian and author Terry Cook said he worries the identification chip could be the ``mark of the beast,\'\' an identifying mark that all people will be forced to wear just before the end times, according to the Bible.
Applied Digital has consulted theologians and appeared on the religious television program the ``700 Club\'\' to assure viewers the chip didn\'t fit the biblical description of the mark because it is under the skin and hidden from view.
Even with the privacy and religious concerns, some are already eager to use the product.
Jeff Jacobs in Coral Springs, Florida has contacted the company in hopes of becoming the first person to purchase the chip.
Jacobs suffers from a number of serious allergies and wants to make sure medical personnel can diagnose him.
``They would know who to contact, they would know what medications I\'m on, and it\'s quite a few,\'\' he said. ``They would know what I\'m allergic to, what kind of operations I\'ve had and where there might be problems.\'\'
Applied Digital says technology to let the chip to be used for tracking is already well under development.
Eight Latin American companies have contacted Applied Digital and have openly encouraged the company to pursue the internal tracking devices. In some countries, kidnapping has become an epidemic that limits tourism and business.
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Personally, I think its a bit dicy, I mean, I dont want people to be able to track my every move, and hackers are surelly going to be able to figure a way to track people using the net or computers, like stalkers etc. I think its too risky. I am also a Christian, but then it doesnt fit the mark of the beasts description.
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Working as I am, towards becoming a police officer, I would support this chip. However, I strongly believe in a person\'s right to privacy, so the use of these chips I believe would probably have to be both carefully monitored, and maybe even voluntary.
Though, that would mean, if voluntary, you couldn\'t even accept certain jobs or careers if you were unwilling to have the device.
I believe however, that the immediate benifites in the stated fields, security, medicine, far outweigh possible future mis-uses, and we shouldn\'t limit ourselves now, for what some might do in the future. We will just have to be carefull.
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I would COMPLETELY disagree with this chip. I would never want something to be implanted into my body like that, that wuld say who I am, and have the potential to violate my civil liberties. I think people deserve to understand what it is that\'s being used to ID them, and most won\'t have a clue what\'s going on in such a chip. It\'s too risky. Too many things could go wrong. There are too many posibilities for bad results.
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hell no..hell no hell no hell no... I dont see how ANYONE in the world can possibly agree with this, no matter how bad of an area. This is one of the worset idea\'s ever. If it were to happen, there would be NO such thing as privacy as we know it. Its bad enough they have satellites in space that can positively identify a dime on a public street. DO we really need more things like this????
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Would either of you deny use of the chip, if it were voluntary?
Would you allow people who needed it or wanted it for medical reasons to be denied the chip? What about if you knew well in advance that applying for a post in a nuclear facility meant you would have to get the implant, so that you had a choice?
If you worry to much about what might happen, you will end up harming us because we still end up with the negative, but we won\'t have the benefits. The government can already track our movements easily. Visually when outdoors with high-rez satellites, by money, computer traffic, credit/bank cards, surveilance camaras (again, mostly outdoors - or in public buildings).
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I wouldn\'t get it if its volunterry, and I wouln\'t get it if it was cumpolsory. I mean, I have civil rights.
If you want it, fine, get it, but I won\'t be. Not in this form anyway.
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Originally posted by FatalXception
Would either of you deny use of the chip, if it were voluntary?
Would you allow people who needed it or wanted it for medical reasons to be denied the chip? What about if you knew well in advance that applying for a post in a nuclear facility meant you would have to get the implant, so that you had a choice?
If you worry to much about what might happen, you will end up harming us because we still end up with the negative, but we won\'t have the benefits. The government can already track our movements easily. Visually when outdoors with high-rez satellites, by money, computer traffic, credit/bank cards, surveilance camaras (again, mostly outdoors - or in public buildings).
Ppl who ask/want it for themselves and not "us" as a collective is fine. Just like everything else in life, its a choice that way. I just dont want to see the day when people are forced to have a chip installed in them.
As far as tracking us, yes they can now..several venues to do so. BUT, its much harder and much more costly to just keep track of any one person, which is why they just create targets now. If we all had chips, we would all be targets. All a bored agent would have to do is type in 9 digits to find a person..since a system like this would most likely be social security number based.
On another slightly off-topic yet related subject..once again..the methods you mentioned are pretty easy to defeat as well. So knowing that..if I ever wanted to not be found..I\'d have a pretty good chance.
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And there will be ways to manipulate those things just like other ID systems. No way for me.
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Well, I don\'t see how you could track people, if it only has power and sends out a signal when another device is over it, but whatever. Even if it could be tracked, kidnappers would just cut the thing out (and now the victims are getting their arms/hands cut open, in addition to the stuff kidnappers already do). Don\'t say they wouldn\'t know where to cut; you get the sucker scanned every day, so everyone would have it in the same place. So the only tracking would be the kind you don\'t want. I\'m so ****ing against these things.
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Originally posted by CrazyMonkey
Well, I don\'t see how you could track people, if it only has power and sends out a signal when another device is over it, but whatever. Even if it could be tracked, kidnappers would just cut the thing out (and now the victims are getting their arms/hands cut open, in addition to the stuff kidnappers already do). Don\'t say they wouldn\'t know where to cut; you get the sucker scanned every day, so everyone would have it in the same place. So the only tracking would be the kind you don\'t want. I\'m so ****ing against these things.
You really believe that huh? If they can Identify you by it being under your skin..one know its a high-tec device..so therefore, the odds on being tracable..are very good.
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Dude, thats just being stupid. Of course they could track you. I mean, its amazing what hackers can do these days...
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I would rather die living in privacy, than live under the microscope. More power to anyone who wants to get one... but I won\'t.
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I think we should try it out first on criminals. Maybe people with more than a 3rd degree felony would have to get it implanted before early release. Just as a trial. Hell I dunno.
I know I don\'t want one now. Maybe when I get old and have alzheimers or something I\'ll change my mind.
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i wont get it as a scientific standpoint foremost, AND theres no way in hell thier putting the mark of the beast on me
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You got that right MM.
Can anybody say 666?:mad:
I think Video had a good point however for the criminal population. But I say that when their probation is over they should remove the little buggar. Privacy is important you know!!!!!!11111111:eek:
(Oops, I dun it again.):D
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Mark of the Beast.
*crosses another "End-time sign" from his Propechy -list*
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Did someone say "end times"?:eek:
http://www.newgenesismiracleworkers.com/prepare4endtimes/
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That\'s VERY interesting...
*is reading the page*
Damn :eek:
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
That\'s VERY interesting...
*is reading the page*
Damn :eek:
I would expound on the topic but the last religious discussion was a bit drawn out.:yawn:
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18752
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mm?!?!
I am suprised by your comment:eek: ...There may be hope for you yet;)
I agree. The day "they" require this atrosity is the day me and my family are homeless and gunning for survival.
BTW. Why aren\'t all the human rights orginizations decrying what was done to Daniel Pearl as a "hate crime"? I mean, they made him denounce his family, religion and race?
And then they slit his throat and beheaded him..... Hmmmm.. Funny that those who refuse the MARK will be beheaded...Hmmmm
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Here\'s the real question...
How do you know we don\'t already all have them?!?!?!
Muahahahahahaha!
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
Here\'s the real question...
How do you know we don\'t already all have them?!?!?!
Muahahahahahaha!
Hmmm? :surprised
I thought that thing on my forehead was just a birthmark!:eek:
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i voted disagree, when i meant i agree.
damn
im not doing anything illegal, so i dont care!!!
but they would have to put it somewhere different for each person, otherwise you could cut it out if you knew where it was
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Thats the thing though, they reckon you can\'t remove it. What if someone chopped their arm off, and someone took out their chip and replaced it with someone elses, or at the morgue or something.
I think its DODGY!!!
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This chip is a sign of the Apocolypse
I would pick up a gun and fight to my death before I let anyone close to me get fitted for such a device
this ****ing sickens me
Why would anyone agree to allow the governement to be able to trace and track you more
How could anyone trust the governmtn enough to do something as assanine as this
for all of those who agreed you are F_cked in the head massively
i wont get it as a scientific standpoint foremost, AND theres no way in hell thier putting the mark of the beast on me
I agree with mm. You Bible thumpers need to and read the Revelations chapter.
The sign of the beast is choice you would have to make. The scar of such a tracking device would be such a mark and give massive amounts of power to a controlling government
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they make chips thinner than a credit card with a transmitter my friend uses one for work for the swipe-locks in his buildings...aint technology great........
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Jeez, I never said the ****er couldn\'t track people. I just don\'t see how the current description would provide for it. I\'m sure they\'d have \'em tracking people sooner or later.