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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: FatJed86 on February 27, 2002, 04:24:11 PM
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Well this past sunday i took mm\'s advice ad went out and bought the game! may i say-off the chian. it is the funnest fatasy type game iv played since Zelda. its a mix between crash badicoot and Zelda, with a little spyro the dragon. But anyway its to fun, and if anybody has noticed i havent been on since sunday, b/c all of my free time has been put to this game. I incourage everyone to buy this game.
BTW i have a question
How many power cells do you need to get to power the jet ski thing for the second time, after you beat the fire monster
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It\'s way too short and on the very easy side...but it is enjoyable.
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It sucked
lame characters, been there done that gameplay
besides the technical aspect and graphics engine the game itself was the biggest disspointment
Naughty Dog should of come up with some unique innovative elements, all they did was take crash and borrow a few Nintendo platform game elemnts and called it a game
You want a game that is being compared to Zelda play Drakan : The Ancient Gates
here\'s a link to a review of the game
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/reviews/review.pl?sys=ps2&game=drakan
Not much to gripe about here, as this is one of the finest playing Action titles I’ve played since Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
here\'s another
http://www.mgon.com/reviews.phtml?id=46888&language=en&rel_system=3
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hey! hey!
you cant say jak and daxter sucked!
its the best platformer on the PS2 to date, no?
drakan no = platformer
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J+D is NOT the best platformer on the PS2
I\'ll take Rayman 2 over J+D
sorry J+D was a HUGE dissapointment and I find it so hard to believe that you hardcore gameplayers can not fathom its over all lameness
I lost a ton of respect for Naughty Dog, and they were one of my favorites when they were making Crash Bandicoot
I only suggexted Drakan cause he mentioned Zelda as a comparable Adventure game and Drakan is a great Adventure RPG
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rayman2 is a great platformer for anyone under 12
agreed
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Im a little anxious to try this game. It\'s dissapointing to hear that some ppl dont think well of the J&K. Guess I\'ll have to judge it myself
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Originally posted by mm
rayman2 is a great platformer for anyone under 12
agreed
LMAO and those cutesy ass characters and child based storyline in J+D are for the 20 and over crowd
if anything they\'re both on par with the age thing
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J and D was much better then Rayman 2
Jak and Daxter was fun, best platformer since Mario 64 IMO
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mm - 1
ddaryl - 0
:)
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How do ya figure I see it
ddaryl- 2
mm - 0
Jak and Daxter was a huge letdown, and a portion of that reason is it tried to make Crash into Mario 64
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Seems like you hyped it up to be the end all game Ddaryl. I went into it without knowing much. I didn\'t have any expections. All I wanted was a fun game. And IMO it was an absolute blast so it passed in flying colors to me. Oh and I haven\'t played Rayman 2 so keep me out of that discussion.
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I was hyped up for the end all
I loved Crash 2 and 3 on the PSX and I also thought ND was awesome and would come out flying onthe PS2
ND has a great engine and all, but they had 0 innovative gameplay ideas
See I saw ND as the Anti-Nintendo, since I personally dislike Mario and think Mario is overrated crap
then ND comes in and takes Crash Bandicoot and messhes it with Mario 64
I wanted originality, a seperation from nintendo that established ND as a great developer
the game just wasn\'t fun. I played Crash 2 and 3, a free roaming Crash was not what I thought would happen and thatds ALL J+D is a been there done that
most likely the people who love J+D are people who didn\'t play the Crash games
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J&D was a big supprise for me.
At first when I saw it I though "WTF?" (Ya know Project Y and all that)
Then I bought it.. And it turned out that I loved it!
I cant wait for J&D2.
Rayman is not up there with J&D.. (I own Rayman Revolution, and enjoyed J&D a lot more!) Instead J&D takes a dump on Rayman :)
I like the freedome in J&D more.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
J+D is NOT the best platformer on the PS2
I\'ll take Rayman 2 over J+D
sorry J+D was a HUGE dissapointment and I find it so hard to believe that you hardcore gameplayers can not fathom its over all lameness
I lost a ton of respect for Naughty Dog, and they were one of my favorites when they were making Crash Bandicoot
I only suggexted Drakan cause he mentioned Zelda as a comparable Adventure game and Drakan is a great Adventure RPG
I\'ve played both and I prefer J&D,but it\'s a matter of taste...
I lost a lot of respect for ND too...they promised a unique game,one of the first true next gen game,both in graphics and gameplay...and what they\'ve shown? A platform like Mario64 with no loading times...copying some elements from other games...
Truly disappointed!
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I\'ve played both and I prefer J&D,but it\'s a matter of taste...
I lost a lot of respect for ND too...they promised a unique game,one of the first true next gen game,both in graphics and gameplay...and what they\'ve shown? A platform like Mario64 with no loading times...copying some elements from other games...
Truly disappointed!
Why am I not shocked to death?? :surprised
What is a "true" next generation game in your opinion?
Please do tell me, I cant wait!
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I love J&D... it\'s surely the best platformer of PS2 and i preffer it over Rayman. I\'ll buy the sequel for sure.
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This game should have it\'s own forum!
I got it the day it came out and It\'s amazing!
It\'s the best platformer out since Mario64 and Sonic on the MegaDrive!
I don\'t have it now as I completed it ages ago, and I have put it down as a pre order for MGS2 but the sequel will be amazing and just like the first one, will be fresh with groundbreaking new ideas...
I loved J&D and it blows all other competion away!
I love the parts on the game where you go on the graf zoomer!
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My mate said the gamepay was okay / average and it can be completed far too quickly. However he said the graphics were very nice. :)
Still though I wouldn\'t mind trying this game out for myself.
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mm > ddaryl
:p
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You are all forgetting one of the most important things in the Rayman/J&D/lameness arguement...
The Weed Factor.
Smoke a fatty, pound some brews, and pretend you\'re 12 again: no job, no car payments, no mortgage. That\'s why I like both of these games. :)
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Aiiiiiiii! Jak and Daxter rules, how can anyone disagree with that, its just such a cool game!
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Originally posted by fastson
Why am I not shocked to death?? :surprised
What is a "true" next generation game in your opinion?
Please do tell me, I cant wait!
You should ask that to ND...they really have a bizarre concept of Next Gen Game...
I was waiting for new and innovative elements in game-play...more interaction with the environment and characters,an unique and original game,as ND promised...and what I played fastson? A good platform,with exactly the same game-play...
I\'ve been waiting for 2 years...and I finished it in 3 days...
...nothing new and too easy!
What\'s a Next Gen Game for me?
Something capable of making me screaming ""I\'ve never seen it before,never did it,never played something like this""
I expressed my opinion,as you did...
I don\'t expect you understand me...but please...leave it with your sarcasm;)
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Hey Bizzio, have you played Munch? It\'s about as different as they get...and it\'s fun!
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i loved munch
it got bad reviews cause they said it was short [which its not]
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That game is not short...some of the levels were a tad on the easy side and had very little to do, but the game made up for it in other levels.
My favorite level had to be the one where you have raise the water level a few times in order to reach the five glukkons.
The hardest level would have to be the one where you are introduced to armored vyker sawbones in vykers lab!! It was one of the last two levels you got if you got good quarma...It was when you had to jump up to a high platform and take out around 6-7 enemies with Munch...I was so frustrated!!
But the ending made it all worth it...pure genious.
Do you happen to know if another one is on the way??
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wait, so you only get certain levels if yer quarma is good?
i finished the game with perfect quarma, i saved everyone
so i\'m assuming i saw the good ending
my fav level was the one towards the end where u had to run abe around that windy ramp avoiding all the guards, and then take out all the guards with munch before leading all the scrubs around the ramp
odd world was a quintology, so there will be 5 total odysee\'s
ab\'s oxodus was an offshoot
so another odysee is on the way
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Originally posted by Ginko
Hey Bizzio, have you played Munch? It\'s about as different as they get...and it\'s fun!
I\'ve ordered the XBox with Halo and Munch...I\'ll get it next week:)
I\'ll tell you my impressions!
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oh yah, with the runway lights...that was a fun level.
If you didn\'t get good quarma, you didn\'t get to go back to vykers lab and get the last of the fuzzles and labor eggs...the game just ended at Flub Co. and you got a different ending...
I wonder if they\'ll make another with Munch?
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I\'ve ordered the XBox with Halo and Munch...I\'ll get it next week:)
I\'ll tell you my impressions!
Excellent...another one goes the way of the box.;)
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i really liked it, but i think i did, cos o always thought i wouldnt.....i normally hate platformers, but after i played the demo i was hooked.!!!!
the reason, it didnt make the game harder by just making bigger gaps, they you need more luck to make
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Jak and Daxter is LAME
Its truly disspointing that peoples opinions who I respected cannot get past the fact that ND did absolutly nothing special in the gameplay department
Nothing, Zippo. J+D is Crash and Mario 64 mixed. That is not worthy of praise, and people should be pissed off at ND for there inability to do something different
Give them credit for the graphics engine, but the game blew.
The characters wer\'re designedto appease Western and Eastewrn gamers. They weren\'t designed out of artistic integrity. ND sold out and made a game based on nothing but what would be succesful
No originality and yet people are willing to praise them for making a game based off mathematical success
mm < ddaryl :D
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And he still stands for what he believes....I\'m right there with you.
While I did find the gameplay overtly stale, I found some of it to be enjoyable. You didn\'t even like it a little bit??
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Maybe a little, but not enough to give it praise like so many have (sheeple ;) ). I\'m trying desperately to rally the troups and put pressure on ND to make a truly epic adventure
a game like J+D left me to ask
were was the challenge
where were the boss battles
what was with all the 1 hit enemies.
how about a more engaging nonpredictable storyline
ND also dissapoints me since they mathmatically designed charaters / storyline and gameplay to appease all territories, and then add only gameplay elements that has worked before
we all deserved something much better. ND could do much much better
Maybe it is just me. I guess I expected ND to make a more hardcore mature platformer that would re-define the genre and make people take notice, instead of trying to be like Nintendo
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ddaryl, i think maybe you played Jak and Daxter version a, and EVERYONE else played Jak and Daxter version b
cause you must have played something else
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>"cause you must have played something else"
That would certainly explain it :nut:
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Ok explain to me in detail without bringing up the graphics engine on what made this game good
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I think what you rather mean is what makes it special/different?
It\'s good because it has proven and rock solid gameplay, but that\'s also its\' downfall and what makes it another "me too."
I\'d say the only thing special about it is the seamless world...but that\'s hitting on the graphics...
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people should enjoy Jak and Daxter for what it is - not what it could of been. There are a lot of things that gave me a hell of a good time in this game, and I\'m not speaking about the graphics. It\'s fun as hell and the design is beautiful. What\'s so wrong with making a fun platformer? Sure the graphics add to it, but if I want something with a bit more brains to it, I\'ll play a adventure game or something. I think some people are trying to see Jak and Daxter as a game that it was never intended to be. That\'s just my opinion.
J&D is my personal game of the year.
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ddaryl,
ND freely borrowed from other games put them together and cashed in with Crash. The only thing original in the entire series that I can really put my finger on is the look plus maybe their own brand of humor. What made you expect so much more from J&D :confused:
I also have think your copy of the game having several areas with frame rate problems helped to fuel the giant letdown.
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For anyone interested,
I read an interview with the ND team in GameInformer on the making of J&D. One of the major goals was to bring to players a seamless load free world and doing so affected every step in developing the engine and tools needed for building the game, making that part of the job "ten times harder" than it would have been otherwise.
Not to say that everyone should like the game because they had to work so hard, just pointing out ND regarded it as an important enough next generation feature to be worth the trouble. I was impressed by it but can\'t say it really added much to the gameplay. The huge draw distance, movement and life at every turn, all added to the experience. Like entering another world
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Originally posted by Heretic
ddaryl,
I also have think your copy of the game having several areas with frame rate problems helped to fuel the giant letdown.
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No this doesn;t even fathom into it at all. I\'ve played many games with framerate drops and still love them.
Crash Bandicoot 2 and 3 we\'re 100 times better to me then J+D.
J+D was crap
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but dont you feel bad cause yer the only one that thinks that way?
oh and mm >>>>>>>>> ddaryl
:)
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not really cause only 4 or 5 people have replied to this thread which means the rest of the people don\'t feel strongly enough to defend it
mm sniffs ddaryl\'s jockstrap like it was Peruvian cocaine
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I don\'t know why, Ddaryl, that you are complaining about this game... I thought it was a very addictive game.... I got close to beating it, then happened to buy Baulder\'s Gate, GTA3, and FFX all in the same day... So I just forgot about it... I remember my percentage through the game was 80+. The only thing not real great about it that I can see is that it won\'t have any replay value for me...
Perhaps you grew? And, after playing GTA3 for example haha, you found out those little games aren\'t for you?:D
But your dissing it like it\'s not even a game, who cares if it plays like this Mario game you mentioned... It\'s not like everyone\'s played what you\'ve played, you child you.:p
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and yet nobody can explain in any detail on what makes the game fun
Crash Bandicoot 2 and 3 we\'re heluva alot more fun
I just hated Jak and Daxter. I thought Mario 64 stunk as well, but really enjoy Crash 2 and 3
to each there own I guess
It bothers me cause if people deem J+D as great then I\'ll be stuck watching more of them get made.
I truly loathe and fear this possibility.
but I refuse not to speak my mind
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and we love you for that quality [as warped as it may be], ddaryl
:surprised
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ok here goes
i was a HUGE fanof the platform genre before it turned 3D it was fast, it was furious it was damned fun. Along with Mario64 came the evolution of the 3D platformer. Death. Of. The. Genre. I hated ALL 3D platformers. However, along with Jak&Daxter came the jump to the next level of graphics and this includes the realisation of the entire world at one time. This meant that for the first time ever you could go any where in the world, see anywhere in the world, and the warp gates were just there so you didnt have to run/drive everywhere as that would take to long.
With the whole world (including every mission practically) renderred at once gave you the ability to do non-stop missions where you could focus on one at a time, or you could do as many as you want, sometimes not even realising it, and until you get towards the end and you have to search out each in particular mission, it is non-stop fun. Exactly what the 3D platformer genre has been missing.
That is why the game is fun, IMO :)
plus the graphics are ****ing amazing
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Well Bob
you describe the graphics engine as what made it great to you, nothing about the actual gameplay
but the gameplay. was essentially the exact samething we\'ve seen a billion time over again in platformers
follow the path, kill the one hit enemies, jump on a vehicle and hit specified twitch targets to get that orb or powercell.
herding 3 goats into a fence, holding a fish net in the water and catch scrolling fish just aren\'t fun.
but I guess the point I can\'t accept is the facdt that J+D has to be accessible to 8 - 12 year old crowd as well, since most kids love platformers.
I guess maybe I just do not respond to anything non hardcore and with some depth
for some reason I didn\'t feel this way playing Crash even though Crash had its younger moments I enjoyed the worlds and channeled gameplay along with the multiple unique and bizzare levels
I guess I\'m the one who is ****ed in the head, but I honestly didn\'t like the game.
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umm.. no
its the same gameplay, but because of the fact that its the whole world with EVERY mission at one time, means the game is far less tedius than your standard 3D platformer, making it much more fun. Instead of going to one place, collecting all the coins, starting it over again and doing something else, you could be completing 5 or 6 missions at once, and finishing them straight after one another meaning, for at least the first half of the game, it was great fun.. after that, it begins to become a bit like your standard 3D platformer where you are seeking out individual missions and it loses some of its.. well, fun
hum?
for me that it.. you obviously didnt enjoy it..
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I\'m with ddaryl on this one.
Jak and Daxter was kind of a letdown for me. It seems to me that ND spent most of their time working on the engine and then threw in the gameplay at the end. Rayman 2 had funner elements IMO, and was overall more pleasing. Another department that J&D was lacking in was the soundtrack.. the trailers had some nice ambient/enigma type music and the actual soundtrack was more Crash-ish.
Anyhow, want a real platformer?
Maximo > Rayman 2 + J & D. :)