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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: pstwo on February 28, 2002, 10:50:40 AM
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With the PlayStation 2 version attracting rave reviews, first solid word of an Xbox outing for Suzuki\'s fighter reaches our ever twitching ears
16:47 Virtua Fighter 4 is a PlayStation 2 exclusive, right? Not according to our sources. Whispers are emerging that a new version of Sega\'s acclaimed fighter is on the way to Xbox, and will include extras over the PlayStation 2 version, due for release on May 10.
Sources close to Yu Suzuki, the legendary creator of the Virtua Fighter series and driving force behind Shen Mue, have confirmed that the developer has been speaking of a version 4.1, for release late this year for the arcade and Xbox. The current game, released in the arcade and on PlayStation 2, is version C.
Virtua Fighter 4.1 is to include at least one new character and new arenas, but very little is known at this point. The news is likely to rattle Sony\'s cage, even though the new version is expected in Japanese this autumn at the earliest.
Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=25962
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This was predictable...Sega said they wanted their games everywhere. But I wouldn\'t think it would be so soon...I thought I read it had a 6 month exclusive contract to PS2.
This could be good news for Japan Xbox owners...
Either way, gaming goodness for everyone...except GC. Mwahahaha.
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Originally posted by Ginko
This could be good news for Japan Xbox owners...
[sarcasm mode]
What All 2 of them :rolleyes:
oh yeah it would be great i mean, paying for the same game Twice, but only this time the Europe and the States can play it in with the Big UGLY Controller
Well at leat tohe poor X box owners cn finally have a Superb Fighting game after the GOD AWFUL DOA3.
[/sarcasm mode]
p.s.
Can anyone tell i am bored ?
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well while it hasnt been comfirmed it still wouldnt surprise me
but you know what that means then - looks like games on xbox and gc may also find their way to other systems via a title change and some extras - pretty lame if you ask me but sega has to make money i guess
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P.P.S
Is this from the Same source that you got them : :rolleyes: 100% Accurate :rolleyes: Japanese X Box Launch picture form PSTwo :rolleyes:.
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Oh dear God i am Bored
thats i am going out to the Pub
//ooseven grabs his house keys and walks out the door to the pub.
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I think it\'s great and I wish other companies would follow suit...
I know there have to be certain exclusives for sytems to justify purchasing them, but why hold back titles like Virtua Fighter, Sonic, Jet Grind Radio, Ecco, and such when they can reach such a broad audience?
No one should have to own all three systems to play all the games they want...IMO.
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Not surprised.
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Well SEGA has said that all their games will be on all platforms.
But Sony has a 1 year exclusive contract with them on VF4.
Plus I dunno how good of a source C&VG is..
They have made up alot of ****e lately.
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>"They have made up alot of ****e lately"
yes they have, they used to get alot of stuff right, but they seem to be clammering for hits recently
Also, after the sales sega had on the xbox.. I seriously doubt they are keeping ALL their plans
Jet Set Radio 13,968 or 9,800
Either number is bad, you can choose which one is closer
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Hey Chrono, aren\'t those numbers just for Japan?
I haven\'t been able to pick up the title yet because everywhere I go it\'s sold out over here in the states...
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>"Hey Chrono, aren\'t those numbers just for Japan?"
You severally underestimate how important japan is..
As developer, would you want to sell your game on a console that reaches all countries, or just the USA?
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As long as it reaches some audience, it\'s all good. It doesn\'t have to sell alot in Japan to be hailed as a success.
Take Halo for example...this game won\'t sell half of what it did in the States. It\'s obviously a success without the Japan market. We have just as many gamers here as they do...
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>"Take Halo for example...this game won\'t sell half of what it did in the States. It\'s obviously a success without the Japan market. We have just as many gamers here as they do..."
Yes, but as a developer do you want to limit yourself to half the market and ignore the japaneese market?
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BTW, i\'m not saying the xbox can\'t survive with the USA
but I\'m saying without japan it is doomed to 3rd
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Originally posted by Chrono
Yes, but as a developer do you want to limit yourself to half the market and ignore the japaneese market?
Ignore, Limit...No. I doubt any developer wants thier game to be "ignored" or limited to a certain audience, but you can\'t please everybody. Square is the only company who I know of that can garner equal sales in both countries.
Back to Sega, it could become a system seller if set drastically apart from the PS2 version. And by autumn, things could turn around for Xbox. I\'m sure MS will do everything they can to set themselves up in Japan before the end of the year...and if MS wants this hot little fighting game in Japan, I\'m sure they\'ll throw in a helping hand (money)...
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>"Ignore, Limit...No. I doubt any developer wants thier game to be "ignored" or limited to a certain audience, but you can\'t please everybody. Square is the only company who I know of that can garner equal sales in both countries. "
Capcom
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Originally posted by Chrono
BTW, i\'m not saying the xbox can\'t survive with the USA
but I\'m saying without japan it is doomed to 3rd
The Japan developers can hit 2 birds with one stone so why won\'t Japan developers make games for the Xbox. Makes economical sense to me.
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Originally posted by Chrono
BTW, i\'m not saying the xbox can\'t survive with the USA
but I\'m saying without japan it is doomed to 3rd
Right now, I say Nintendo is in the worst shape. With their limited 3rd party support and their killer apps spaced so far inbetween...that\'s another debate entirely, but you see my point.
I think you\'re writing it off to soon...MS has almost as many 3rd party developers making games as Sony and MS has alot of exclusives from 1st and 2nd party developers we don\'t even know about yet (the number is around 80 to be released between now and next March just from 1st and 2nd party!).
Out of these could be some killer apps people just can\'t do without...things could turn around.
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"Ignore, Limit...No. I doubt any developer wants thier game to be "ignored" or limited to a certain audience, but you can\'t please everybody. Square is the only company who I know of that can garner equal sales in both countries. "
Capcom
And guess what, Capcom is making games for Xbox. A few "exclusives" are being thrown in too...people will eventually notice. Whether it\'s too late by then we\'ll have to wait and see...
But another point, Square and Capcom have been around a long time. Anyone who is gamer anywhere knows who they are...did they start out like that...nope. In fact, Square was fixing to go under until Final Fantasy came out. They made that one little move and look what happened. They are considered one of the big dogs in the industry now...
They were able to garner trust and show they know what games are about...could this happen with MS. Maybe...
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Originally posted by pstwo
The Japan developers can hit 2 birds with one stone so why won\'t Japan developers make games for the Xbox. Makes economical sense to me.
Maybe its the Piss Poor X box sales in Japan has something to do with it :rolleyes: .
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Originally posted by ooseven
Maybe its the Piss Poor X box sales in Japan has something to do with it :rolleyes: .
Yah, being that the system is only 6 days old has nothing to do with it... I mean what\'s MS\'s excuse? PS2 had alot of quality 3rd party games in it\'s first week. Don\'t you remember Ridge Racer X, and Fantavision...classics. Oh, and then Devil May Cry a whole year later. Sony had those games just lined up one after another...
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>"Yah, being that the system is only 6 days old has nothing to do with it... I mean what\'s MS\'s excuse? PS2 had alot of quality 3rd party games in it\'s first week. Don\'t you remember Ridge Racer X, and Fantavision...classics. Oh, and then Devil May Cry a whole year later. Sony had those games just lined up one after another..."
WTF are you talking about?
The xbox sold like crap, has nothing coming out any time soon to sell systems.. how long will it last doing absoultely nothing there?
Look at this list
http://www.geocities.com/chtang.geo/schedule.htm
See anything the japaneese want?
Before you say that Capcom mech game...
The game comes with the controller,
and CANNOT BE PLAYED WITHOUT THE CONTROLLER
yep, and add that with the amazingly small xbox userbase and the amazing large price of the xbox and you have an amazingly large flop of a game
How long can a system only have a userbase of 125k-150k (in japan) before 3rd parties (especially japaneese ones who questioned it and were waiting to see how it would go) start dropping their plans?
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"Yah, being that the system is only 6 days old has nothing to do with it... I mean what\'s MS\'s excuse? PS2 had alot of quality 3rd party games in it\'s first week. Don\'t you remember Ridge Racer X, and Fantavision...classics. Oh, and then Devil May Cry a whole year later. Sony had those games just lined up one after another..."
WTF are you talking about?
The xbox sold like crap, has nothing coming out any time soon to sell systems.. how long wil it last doing absoultly nothing there?
The PS2 didn\'t have much for a long time. It survived and thrived...
See anything the japaneese want?
That\'s only up through April...did you ignore my earlier post? I\'ll say it again. It\'s going to take time before some big games start to roll out. The US market can carry Xbox for the time being, then when some noteworthy games come out for Xbox in Japan, then maybe they\'ll notice.
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Damn pstwo,I was planning to get the PS2 version...now I have to wait...
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Originally posted by Chrono
How long can a system only have a userbase of 125k-150k (in japan) before 3rd parties (especially japaneese ones who questioned it and were waiting to see how it would go) start dropping their plans?
I guess we\'ll see won\'t we...;)
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Originally posted by Ginko
Yah, being that the system is only 6 days old has nothing to do with it... I mean what\'s MS\'s excuse? PS2 had alot of quality 3rd party games in it\'s first week. Don\'t you remember Ridge Racer X, and Fantavision...classics. Oh, and then Devil May Cry a whole year later. Sony had those games just lined up one after another...
Hmm let me see
the Japanese launch
Playstation 2 = 1 million sales in well under 6 days
X box = a rather weak 100 thousand
FFS i thought the Gamecube launch as a bit rocky
anyway i am of to bed
someone wake me when something intresting happend in here :rolleyes: .
:rolleyes:
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>"I guess we\'ll see won\'t we..."
I guess we will :hold:
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>"FFS i thought the Gamecube launch as a bit rocky"
Yes it was, but the gamecube then had Super Smash brothers which sold severall systems.. I don\'t see a game on the xbox that will do that.. the majority of xbox games that sell systems are american oriented
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"FFS i thought the Gamecube launch as a bit rocky"
Yes it was, but the gamecube then had Super Smash brothers which sold severall systems.. I don\'t see a game on the xbox that will do that.. the majority of xbox games that sell systems are american oriented
Do you remember how long the GC was out before SSBM came out? I think I remember 4 months...
Like I said, it takes a killer app or two. I for one don\'t know all of MS\'s plans and I highly doubt you have the inside story either...
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oh and ,ill say this slowly so i don\'t have to get a Newbie who can speak fluent MORON !
if any of you guys PM or Email on this, then ill hunt down and kill you like some kind of wild Dog.
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>"Like I said, it takes a killer app or two. I for one don\'t know all of MS\'s plans and I highly doubt you have the inside story either..."
No, I just follow the industry incredibly close
partially beacuse I own sony stock and like to invest in gaming companies that seem like a good plan
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"Like I said, it takes a killer app or two. I for one don\'t know all of MS\'s plans and I highly doubt you have the inside story either..."
No, I just follow the industry incredibly close
partially beacuse I own sony stock and like to invest in gaming companies that seem like a good plan
And your point being?
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Damn pstwo,I was planning to get the PS2 version...now I have to wait...
:laughing: I hope its not a port you know what I mean ;)
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Firstly, I\'ll say it again, we do not know the sell through of the xbox despite what chrono says.
Secondly the PS2 was released for the holiday season and xbox was released now. You can\'t compare those numbers.
Chrono or 00seven, I don\'t know who is the bigger PS2 fanboy.
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How hilarius...look at the first weekend of the launch in Japan of each console...
Microsoft XBox - 123,334
Nintendo GameCube - 175,000
Sony PlayStation 2 - 680,000 units
Sega Dreamcast - 120,000 units
Sega Saturn - 107,000 units
Sony PlayStation - 101,000 units
XBox beats PSX :D ...isn\'t it a good presage?
(don\'t flame me,I\'m joking:p )
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If this turns out to be true, we can learn two things from this. One, when Sega says a game is exclusive, it almost always isn\'t. And number two, its doubtful MS will ever make a profit on the XBox if it seemingly has to pay for every big game to come to its system (I assume VF 4.1 is the same way since Sony was so sure it was exclusive before).
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>"Firstly, I\'ll say it again, we do not know the sell through of the xbox despite what chrono says."
:laughing:
Yeah, Dengenki, MCV, and Bloomberg are all lieing
sheese, face it dude, the xbox sold badly
your pathetic if you refuse to face the numbers released by 3 places
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Originally posted by Chrono
If this turns out to be true, we can learn two things from this. One, when Sega says a game is exclusive, it almost always isn\'t.
It was said from the start that it was exclusive for a period of time...
And number two, its doubtful MS will ever make a profit on the XBox if it seemingly has to pay for every big game to come to its system (I assume VF 4.1 is the same way since Sony was so sure it was exclusive before).
You have to spend money to make money...MS is still establishing itself, they\'ll do what they have to...
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"Firstly, I\'ll say it again, we do not know the sell through of the xbox despite what chrono says."
:laughing:
Yeah, Dengenki, MCV, and Bloomberg are all lieing
sheese, face it dude, the xbox sold badly
your pathetic if you refuse to face the numbers released by 3 places
According to the numbers Bizio has, it\'s no that bad off for a system brand new to the market.
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ho ho, Bobbo is here :)
a few things to mention here.. first off, this is still just a rumour
BizioEE:
Damn pstwo,I was planning to get the PS2 version...now I have to wait...
uhh.. what for? its still just a rumour
pstwo:
I hope its not a port you know what I mean
uhh.. did you even read your own article? its a new updated version being made for arcades and then onto XBox (only rumoured though) not a PS2 port.. silly
Ginko:
Yah, being that the system is only 6 days old has nothing to do with it... I mean what\'s MS\'s excuse? PS2 had alot of quality 3rd party games in it\'s first week. Don\'t you remember Ridge Racer X, and Fantavision...classics. Oh, and then Devil May Cry a whole year later. Sony had those games just lined up one after another...
Fantavision was first party, silly :p
and the situation is a little different, obviously
Ginko:
The PS2 didn\'t have much for a long time. It survived and thrived...
yah, like i said, its a different situation, XBox is a first time console.. its an american console, and its competing againts PS2 which is easily cominating the market. PS2 was competing against.. what? Dreamcast? Nintendo64? There is more demand for PS2 on name alone, people had to wait, and because they did, well they are happy. With the XBox, people dont have to wait, theres a nice little PS2 sitting in their corners with Virtua Fighter 4 to interest them instead of.. uhh.. DoA3 :)
Ginko:
I think you\'re writing it off to soon...MS has almost as many 3rd party developers making games as Sony and MS has alot of exclusives from 1st and 2nd party developers we don\'t even know about yet (the number is around 80 to be released between now and next March just from 1st and 2nd party!).
care to compare the list of dev\'s against Sony\'s 700+? :D
and lets all hope for MS\'s sake that those first party games are good, but chances are they wont quite be a god enough substitute for missing out on games such as Final Fantasy
Ginko:
According to the numbers Bizio has, it\'s no that bad off for a system brand new to the market.
like i said.. different market situation, im sure you can understand this..
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yah, like i said, its a different situation, XBox is a first time console.. its an american console, and its competing againts PS2 which is easily cominating the market. PS2 was competing against.. what? Dreamcast? Nintendo64? There is more demand for PS2 on name alone, people had to wait, and because they did, well they are happy. With the XBox, people dont have to wait, theres a nice little PS2 sitting in their corners with Virtua Fighter 4 to interest them instead of.. uhh.. DoA3
How long will they be happy? PS2 is gonna peak soon if it hasn\'t already...
care to compare the list of dev\'s against Sony\'s 700+?
and lets all hope for MS\'s sake that those first party games are good, but chances are they wont quite be a god enough substitute for missing out on games such as Final Fantasy
They have 700+ developers?!? Where are all the games?? The release list for this year is somewhat underwhelming...
Xbox has around 300 is what I read...
like i said.. different market situation, im sure you can understand this..
It\'s been different every generation...there is still 3 years left in this one, possibly 4. Anything can happen...
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Chrono, you know what, I really don\'t care how well it is selling.
You are in no positin to call anyone pathetic. Look at you, is it your mission in life to talk trash about the xbox? All you do is post negative things about it. You sir are the pathetic one. Why does it matter to you? Really? What drives you to post this crap day after day?
I can\'t imagine having the time or energy to invest in trying to convince people that the xbox is a bad system that is doomed for failure. Again I ask why you care?
Do you also go to battery boards and talk trash about energizer? Is your mind so small and shallow that you cannot live in a world with both Pepsi and Coke?
I think before you start calling anyone pathetic you should first take a long close look at yourself and your little life. Is your it so void of incident that you can afford to give the xbox this kind of attention? I can\'t imagine what it is like to have a mind like yours.
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Is your mind so small and shallow that you cannot live in a world with both Pepsi and Coke?
I luv it...this should be someone\'s sig...
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Originally posted by Ginko
How long will they be happy? PS2 is gonna peak soon if it hasn\'t already...
Ps2 peak now? :laughing: I\'m not trying to diss you or anything but its plain as day that you dont like anything except xbox. Are you biased? Im not so sure but im glad that this statement is only an opinion. Why do you think all these people praise their ps2\'s? Because its a great system and people are still buying it. Why? because the games are going to be good. I know i have a lot to look forward too. Even if xbox happens to surpass ps2, that doesnt mean that it wont be a strong competitor. If xbox had such a stellar line up then there would be more sales. Back to the subject: I\'m kinda pissed that this version may come out for xbox because of the fact that i love sega games and xbox gets all their good titles. At least give ps2 some edge. . The fate of the system is also in the fate of the developers
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its probably safer if i stay out of this one
:P
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Ps2 peak now? :laughing: I\'m not trying to diss you or anything but its plain as day that you dont like anything except xbox. Are you biased? Im not so sure but im glad that this statement is only an opinion. Why do you think all these people praise their ps2\'s?
FYI, I have a PS2. I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already. Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things. Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows. It was just a scenario, calm down.
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>"FYI, I have a PS2. I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already. Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things. Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows. It was just a scenario, calm down."
:laughing:
Yeah, developers always go to the most powefull hardware.. they don\'t care about SELLING games
ROFLAO
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"FYI, I have a PS2. I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already. Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things. Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows. It was just a scenario, calm down."
:laughing:
Yeah, developers always go to the most powefull hardware.. they don\'t care about SELLING games
ROFLAO
It will eventually happen, otherwise we\'d still be with PSX. Move onward and upward, otherwise you\'re just standing still.
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Originally posted by Ginko
How long will they be happy? PS2 is gonna peak soon if it hasn\'t already...
oh yeah, thats a real good arguement :rolleyes: hey.. whose to say that XBox saled wont drop off, i mean.. XBox is going to peak soon, if it hasnt already :rolleyes:. Look at the PSX.. did it reach its peak in 1997 with games like Final Fantasy 7 and Resident Evil released (although they were two of my favorite games of the system :D).. no developers went on to release hit after hit, sequal after sequal, and all sorts of brand new games. If you think developers are just going to stop and say "wait-a-minute.. i dont think im going to make any more games..".. uhh.. not quite (i doubt it anyway :p) PS2 so far is going along BETTER than the PSX was as far as support, games and user base.. surely you dont think PS2 is going to reach its peak so early in its lifespan..
Originally posted by Ginko
They have 700+ developers?!? Where are all the games?? The release list for this year is somewhat underwhelming...
Xbox has around 300 is what I read...
ill answer this one by quoting you.. maybe you can see my point..
Out of these could be some killer apps people just can\'t do without...things could turn around.
as you so put it, out of ALL those hundreds of dev\'s.. if even one game is a killer app, or even half good thats worth buying, its worth it.. just because they arent announced, doesnt mean they dont exist.. hell, half of the games will prolly never see the light of day either.. its just fun being a Sony fanboy and bragging about it :p
Originally posted by Ginko
It\'s been different every generation...there is still 3 years left in this one, possibly 4. Anything can happen...
well thats what we are arguing about! if these things are likely to happen dagnammit!
Originally posted by Ginko
FYI, I have a PS2. I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already.
pfft, so you say.. the fact that games like Jak & Daxter, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2 etc. etc. can even compare to the best XBox games (and indeed they can) is a success and triumph in itself to Sony..
Originally posted by Ginko
Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things. Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows. It was just a scenario, calm down.
Originally posted by Ginko
It will eventually happen, otherwise we\'d still be with PSX. Move onward and upward, otherwise you\'re just standing still.
you know they are still releasing games on the PSX right? but there is a little bit of a difference between upgrading to the next generation and upgrading to the XBox.. as you should well know
note: curse this infernal smiley limit *shakes fist*
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Firstly, I\'ll say it again, we do not know the sell through of the xbox despite what chrono says.
Secondly the PS2 was released for the holiday season and xbox was released now. You can\'t compare those numbers.
Chrono or 00seven, I don\'t know who is the bigger PS2 fanboy.
yeah right i am a Fanboy for saying the facts about a piss poor Japanese Launch !.
also just because i don\'t hold much faith in the all mighty M$ having a better Uk Launch don\'t mean i am a Fanboy !
I WAS going to get one on Launch AFTER ALL :evil:
well thats was untill i found out that us UK gamer are going to get SHAFTED over the price !
Well So Soooooooooorrrrrrrrrrryyyyy if i have been giving old Billy Boy a hard time ,but i feal like i have been let down !
Ah well heres hoping that they get their act to gether damn soon or i might end up buying a gamecube insted *sudder*
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oh and.....
Microsoft XBox - 123,334
Nintendo GameCube - 175,000
Sega Dreamcast - 120,000 units
go Sega go Sega go Sega go Sega go Sega !
:D
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Xbox doesn\'t need a gem like VF4! The reason Xbox was created is so all the sucky games go to Xbox while the better games go to PS2 and GC! Kinda like a diamond filter. All the dirt gets passed on to Xbox while PS2 gets the diamonds and gems!
:p
Ehehehe!
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Look at the PSX.. did it reach its peak in 1997 with games like Final Fantasy 7 and Resident Evil released (although they were two of my favorite games of the system
They had no where else to go in 1997. PSX was the only console moving in the right direction. It\'s a different market now, developers have options....will they use them, who knows....
surely you dont think PS2 is going to reach its peak so early in its lifespan..
I was referring to graphics, and yes I do....
ill answer this one by quoting you.. maybe you can see my point..
And maybe I won\'t...this one\'s gonna come down to personal preferrence. PS2\'s release list looks rather stale to me, that\'s why I\'m amazed that out of 700+ developers, only 3 of their games for this year interest me...
Xbox on the other hand has a slew of games...blah blah blah. You see where I\'m going...it\'s not a good stand point to argue on.
as you so put it, out of ALL those hundreds of dev\'s.. if even one game is a killer app, or even half good thats worth buying, its worth it.
That\'s why I was set 400$ back after FFX came out...although this doesn\'t apply to everyone. Some people require more than one game to justify purchasing a system.
It\'s about appeal, Xbox could get it in Japan, it could not...it\'s got American\'s noticing...
its just fun being a Sony fanboy and bragging about it
What\'s there to brag about? I haven\'t found anything yet...
pfft, so you say.. the fact that games like Jak & Daxter, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2 etc. etc. can even compare to the best XBox games (and indeed they can) is a success and triumph in itself to Sony..
The fact that first generation Xbox software compares/exceeds PS2\'s second/third generation is a Xbox selling point. Some people aren\'t as superficial as me...;)
you know they are still releasing games on the PSX right?
I know, it\'s sad...
but there is a little bit of a difference between upgrading to the next generation and upgrading to the XBox.. as you should well know
I think developers will start to notice that difference (as it is apparent)...maybe they\'ll act on it, maybe not...
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I was referring to graphics, and yes I do....
What makes you think that? Based on what? Or is this just a very lame arguement to justify your purchase of a X-box?
The fact that first generation Xbox software compares/exceeds PS2\'s second/third generation is a Xbox selling point. Some people aren\'t as superficial as me...
Doesn\'t seem to be a real selling point in Japan and even in America. I do wonder however how it will do in Europe... I\'m sure the graphics are a real selling point. The graphics are really really really awesome. :rolleyes:
You seem to base an awful lot just on graphics alone. All the X-box can really live up to at the moment is the graphics (which are far worse than when I would believe that 3 to 5 times more powerful Microsoft said a few months ago), but fail in the gameplay department. I won\'t comment on the games that aren\'t out though, obviously.
I think developers will start to notice that difference (as it is apparent)...maybe they\'ll act on it, maybe not...
That difference, as you like to point out.... haven\'t seen that yet. What difference? I\'m interested.
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What makes you think that? Based on what?
Based on my playtime with FFX, GTA 3, State of Emergency, Devil May Cry...they look like suped up DC games...
But there are exceptions....Jak and Daxter and MGS2 are beautiful.
Or is this just a very lame arguement to justify your purchase of a X-box?
No, my reasons for Xbox are Munch, Halo, Project Gotham, Jet Grind Radio (I finally got to play it!!), Max Payne (the better looking version;) ) and then all the hopefuls coming out...
Doesn\'t seem to be a real selling point in Japan and even in America.
It\'s selling very well in America, Japan doesn\'t seem to care. Like I said, Maybe they\'ll notice, maybe not...
I do wonder however how it will do in Europe... I\'m sure the graphics are a real selling point. The graphics are really really really awesome.
They are awesome, couple that with great gameplay and you got yourself a winner.
You seem to base an awful lot just on graphics alone.
Not just the graphics, the capabilities...if you were creating a game, would you like your vision to be on average hardware when you know you could get better results on something else?
All the X-box can really live up to at the moment is the graphics (which are far worse than when I would believe that 3 to 5 times more powerful Microsoft said a few months ago), but fail in the gameplay department. I won\'t comment on the games that aren\'t out though, obviously.
Why don\'t you comment on the games? I\'d love to hear why they all fail in the gameplay department...
I feel like such a fanboy right now...
:confused:
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Originally posted by seven
That difference, as you like to point out.... haven\'t seen that yet. What difference? I\'m interested.
You haven\'t seen or played an Xbox yet have you?
Halo is a testament to the machine and what it can do, and it was a launch title...Wreckless, while shallow in gameplay but still manages to be fun, is a sight to behold. Max Payne...you have to see these two, you\'ll notice the difference.
Developers I\'m sure have noticed this too, like I said earlier...maybe they\'ll act upon it, maybe not...
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
uhh.. what for? its still just a rumour
The rumours are true,the King of fighters is coming to Xbox!
http://www.officialxboxmagazine.co.uk/
I\'ll wait for the XBox version.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
The rumours are true,the King of fighters is coming to Xbox!
http://www.officialxboxmagazine.co.uk/
Good news, definitely good news.
How long do you think it will be before a someone finds something negative to say about this?
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Based on my playtime with FFX, GTA 3, State of Emergency, Devil May Cry...they look like suped up DC games...
But there are exceptions....Jak and Daxter and MGS2 are beautiful.
So, based on your playtime, you\'re trying to say that PS2 has reached its peak? Not to mention that your playtime doesn\'t include the two games you\'ve quoted as being exceptions (J&D, MGS2). I wonder if you also thought that the PSX was at its peak while playing Resident Evil? If I may say, that\'s a pretty lame arguement. ;)
It\'s selling very well in America, Japan doesn\'t seem to care. Like I said, Maybe they\'ll notice, maybe not...
It isn\'t selling bad in America, not at all - but we are talking about graphics being the selling point right? If this would really be the case, America would be selling more than PS2 and Japan, well better than what we are seing now. But wait, this selling point doesn\'t really work, because the Xbox doesn\'t have better (really noticable) graphics to show off at the moment. Get my point?
They are awesome, couple that with great gameplay and you got yourself a winner.
Awesome, but not noticably better. You may say DoA3 is the best looking game, I\'ll go with MGS2 for now. IMHO, they\'re equal. Again, I don\'t know where you get those "awesome" graphics from. What I have seen, it\'s at best equal with PS2 and nothing that is 3/5 times better. And in case you haven\'t noticed, I am comparing games that are out - not games that will be out.
Why don\'t you comment on the games? I\'d love to hear why they all fail in the gameplay department...
Halo is the exception I admit, but other than that - they\'re boring as hell. I\'ve played DoA3, Wreckless and some others. If you want you can also go get some reviews over the net. I\'m not the only one who thinks this. Go figure...
You haven\'t seen or played an Xbox yet have you?
Halo is a testament to the machine and what it can do, and it was a launch title...Wreckless, while shallow in gameplay but still manages to be fun, is a sight to behold. Max Payne...you have to see these two, you\'ll notice the difference.
Developers I\'m sure have noticed this too, like I said earlier...maybe they\'ll act upon it, maybe not...
Yes I have. And it doesn\'t blow me away - I even think it\'s equal to PS2 at the moment. Halo is a very nice game, but don\'t forget that a lot of effort went into it too. The PS2 version at the time didn\'t look bad either. You may take Halo, I think MGS2 is more or less up to par. And don\'t forget - Halo runs at underwhelming 30fps. So perhaps you are right with it being a testament to the Xbox... /jk
Max Payne.. Oh yeah.. a port. As if I really care which has the better graphics. Since Xbox supports DirectX, I even expected it to look better. But honestly, I wanted to play this game, I\'d play it on the PC having the superb verion even over Xbox. ;)
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playtime doesn\'t include the two games you\'ve quoted as being exceptions (J&D, MGS2).
I mentioned them as being beautiful...I have played them both.
I wonder if you also thought that the PSX was at its peak while playing Resident Evil? If I may say, that\'s a pretty lame arguement
you\'re implying what I think then calling it lame? And graphically, it didn\'t go much further...
It isn\'t selling bad in America, not at all - but we are talking about graphics being the selling point right?
Not the selling point, a selling point. meaning one of several...
But wait, this selling point doesn\'t really work, because the Xbox doesn\'t have better (really noticable) graphics to show off at the moment. Get my point?
At the moment...
Awesome, but not noticably better. You may say DoA3 is the best looking game, I\'ll go with MGS2 for now. IMHO, they\'re equal. Again, I don\'t know where you get those "awesome" graphics from. What I have seen, it\'s at best equal with PS2 and nothing that is 3/5 times better. And in case you haven\'t noticed, I am comparing games that are out - not games that will be out.
Yes, in your opinion...IMO, the xbox games look better. Where is this going...
Halo is the exception I admit, but other than that - they\'re boring as hell. I\'ve played DoA3, Wreckless and some others. If you want you can also go get some reviews over the net. I\'m not the only one who thinks this. Go figure...
Reviews are just published opinions, they won\'t help you here...boring as hell?? What do you think is fun and exciting on PS2??
It\'s just like PS2 when it came out. The games were comparable to DC games. Over time, that changed and PS2 games were set apart (graphically). PS2 is 2 years old, Xbox is 4 months old...same will happen here...
Max Payne.. Oh yeah.. a port. As if I really care which has the better graphics. Since Xbox supports DirectX, I even expected it to look better. But honestly, I wanted to play this game, I\'d play it on the PC having the superb verion even over Xbox.
It\'s more of a trend...the ports tend to look better in all cases.
But then you wouldn\'t be talking about consoles anymore...
You keep missing the fact that I\'m saying, maybe the developers will notice and take action, or maybe not. The whole arguement is speculation, treat it as such...
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Awesome, but not noticably better. You may say DoA3 is the best looking game, I\'ll go with MGS2 for now. IMHO, they\'re equal. Again, I don\'t know where you get those "awesome" graphics from. What I have seen, it\'s at best equal with PS2 and nothing that is 3/5 times better.
What does it mean equal? They\'re too different to be compared...
...I think you should wait for MGS2X...
PS2 was said to be 15 times more powerful than DC...do you see it? nope...I still see games on DC comparable with the best PS2 games...
Even the simplest piece of hardware(PSX) needed 4 years to be "fully" pushed...so we have to give the XBox a lot more time...the time it needs,as we did with the PS2...
It\'s a complex piece of hardware,not so easy to be fully maximized...
What I see are Launch games which looks better than 2nd gen PS2 games...and I think that the XBox,right now,has more untapped power than PS2(for the fact that PS2 is a 2 years old machine...and even if it\'s a new architecture...it\'s been out for a long time...)
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But I think we\'re going off-topic...
http://www.officialxboxmagazine.co.uk/
Can\'t Wait!
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Wow, another PS2 vs. Xbox debate...where did it all go wrong?
Seven, what I think you\'re missing from my posts is the maybe, maybe not. It\'s basically a disclaimer and saying that I\'m keeping an open mind...which seems to be hard for a lot of people here.
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Trying to get back on topic...
It\'s great news for MS, it being such a big franchise in Japan and all. I just hope they notice it...afterall, they will get extensive playtime with the PS2 version before the Xbox version hits shelves.
And obviously, the recent launch in Japan hasn\'t got them down just yet...
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Boys boys..
Do you think a (ANYONE) developer can max a console on their first try? (Even a "hard-to-develop-for?)
MGS2 - Konami\'s (Kojima\'s) first try. (Mind the graphics were not prioritized. Or so he said.)
Jak and Daxter - Naughty Dogs first try
Gran Turismo 3 - Polyponys first try
Now.. Remember:
Ridge Racer - Nacmo\'s first try
Tekken - Same stuff..
Now compare these two to these two..
Tekken 3
Ridge Racer 4
See a pattern? :eek:
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Originally posted by Ginko
Trying to get back on topic...
It\'s great news for MS, it being such a big franchise in Japan and all. I just hope they notice it...afterall, they will get extensive playtime with the PS2 version before the Xbox version hits shelves.
And obviously, the recent launch in Japan hasn\'t got them down just yet...
They can only play the PS2 version a year before.. (Sony said VF4 was exclusive for 1 year)
Im sure the Japanese public will enjoy the XBox version released 1 year later with
20 more polygons :eek:
5 new costumes :eek:
1 new stage :eek:
:rolleyes:
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I just got up and seen the great news posted that it\'s "official" on Gaming Age. Thanks BizioEE for the great new!!1 :D
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you\'re implying what I think then calling it lame? And graphically, it didn\'t go much further...
Yes, it is lame. If you think the PS2 is at its peak, you obviously haven\'t been paying attention. And about PSX not going much further - if I do remember correctly, you didn\'t even have a PSX so I won\'t take this too seriously. But let me just tell you that the differences between Resident Evil and what launched a year later was very noticable.
Not the selling point, a selling point. meaning one of several...
Okay, a selling point then. But if you also note how Microsoft has been marketing their Xbox - it\'s definately more than just a selling point. Or at least, it should the way they hyped it.
At the moment...
Well, that pretty much ends the above then. I doubt though that the graphics will ever be that much better to really influence the casual gamer.
Reviews are just published opinions, they won\'t help you here...boring as hell?? What do you think is fun and exciting on PS2??
Of course these are opinions. Published or not, these are opinions and a lot of people read them. It is relevant and just goes to show that there are people who agree with me on this one.
Seven, what I think you\'re missing from my posts is the maybe, maybe not. It\'s basically a disclaimer and saying that I\'m keeping an open mind...which seems to be hard for a lot of people here.
That\'s okay Ginko. I ain\'t bashing you or anything - just participating in the debate and offering my opinion.
Your point though is that they will notice it, obviously refering to the graphics capabilities of the X-box, which in your opinion has reached an end on PS2. My point is, there is no difference that will make them notice it. The differences aren\'t that big to make developers jump consoles. If there\'s any reason for them, it\'s development costs that may be cheaper on X-box - but as PS2 is being more explored, these costs are also dropping on PS2.
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What does it mean equal? They\'re too different to be compared...
What I see are Launch games which looks better than 2nd gen PS2 games...
Whoops - BizioEE contradicting himself again. It\'s funny, once I mention MGS2, you say they\'re too different to be compared - but at the same time you say that 1st gen games look better on Xbox than PS2 games (comparasment).
It\'s a complex piece of hardware,not so easy to be fully maximized...
A directX console with harddrive, Nvidia Chip, a Pentium 3 is obviously very complex :rolleyes: what makes it so complex?
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I just got up and seen the great news posted that it\'s "official" on Gaming Age. Thanks BizioEE for the great new!!
You\'re an idiot pstwo. Official means it\'s been officially confirmed by Sega - not by close sources.
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Originally posted by seven
You\'re an idiot pstwo. Official means it\'s been officially confirmed by Sega - not by close sources.
seven, I\'m a idiot? Here\'s the fu
edit: I meant on the Gaming Age boards not thire site.
Virtua Fighter 4 - OFFICIAL
World exclusive! The rumours are true - the King of fighters is coming to Xbox!
We spoke to sources close to Sega this morning, who confirmed that the title is in development - although there\'s no official word on extras as yet. Still, it\'s enough to know it\'s on the way - the thought of a souped-up VF4, produced by a stellar company already familiar with the powerful Xbox hardware, is almost too much to bear...
Link: http://www.officialxboxmagazine.co.uk/default.asp?c=n&s=129
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Originally posted by pstwo
seven, I\'m a idiot? Here\'s the fu
Virtua Fighter 4 - OFFICIAL
World exclusive! The rumours are true - the King of fighters is coming to Xbox!
We spoke to sources close to Sega this morning, who confirmed that the title is in development - although there\'s no official word on extras as yet. Still, it\'s enough to know it\'s on the way - the thought of a souped-up VF4, produced by a stellar company already familiar with the powerful Xbox hardware, is almost too much to bear...
Link: http://www.officialxboxmagazine.co.uk/default.asp?c=n&s=129
Seven is right.. It aint offcial until SEGA says it.. Not a close source.. SEGA!
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Sources close to Sega isn\'t official. They could very well be ****ed and what then? Official is when a company issues an official press statement where they confirm that X rumour is true or not. Get my point?
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Oh well the OXM said official so it\'s not official yet? It will be so what\'s the differents? OXM is a good source.
Anyways, here\'s an Xbox adapter to use the Playstation controllers:
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This product is sold at a personal computer shop or a retail store, and also the mail order is performed in the WEB site "it is a way with a smile" of the company. Since sale of the joy stick turned present condition Xbox is behind, the place to use this adapter and the joy stick for PS, but, in the company, "SCPH-1200", "SCPH-10010", and "SCPH-1080" are mentioned as a correspondence controller, and operation of those other than a Playstation pure controller is carried out, if it does not guarantee.
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Yes, it is lame. If you think the PS2 is at its peak, you obviously haven\'t been paying attention.
No, it\'s just my thoughts...
And about PSX not going much further - if I do remember correctly, you didn\'t even have a PSX so I won\'t take this too seriously. But let me just tell you that the differences between Resident Evil and what launched a year later was very noticable.
On what scale? 2 of my friends had PSX so I know what I\'m talking about.
Okay, a selling point then. But if you also note how Microsoft has been marketing their Xbox - it\'s definately more than just a selling point. Or at least, it should the way they hyped it.
And exactly how have they been marketing their product? All the PR I\'ve seen is based on what games are currently out and what to look forward too in the way of original games...but hey, maybe you see something I don\'t
:rolleyes:
Of course these are opinions. Published or not, these are opinions and a lot of people read them. It is relevant and just goes to show that there are people who agree with me on this one.
And I could show you reviews that think exactly the opposite. Again, what\'s your point?
That\'s okay Ginko. I ain\'t bashing you or anything - just participating in the debate and offering my opinion.
Bashing? Anyway, I\'m offering mine also and you can\'t seem to accept I think differently...
Your point though is that they will notice it, obviously refering to the graphics capabilities of the X-box, which in your opinion has reached an end on PS2. My point is, there is no difference that will make them notice it.
Obviously there\'s a difference...Munch was moved to Xbox, Project Ego is an exclusive, Shen Mue 2 is going to Xbox (exclusive at the moment), among others....I can\'t help but think why? I mean, if PS2 and Xbox are one in the same and the PS2 has a bigger user base, why??
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No, it\'s just my thoughts...
Scary thoughts... ;) But that\'s okay, I\'ll base my thoughts on interviews, screens and developer information and these give me good reasons to believe otherwise.
Obviously there\'s a difference...Munch was moved to Xbox, Project Ego is an exclusive, Shen Mue 2 is going to Xbox (exclusive at the moment), among others....I can\'t help but think why? I mean, if PS2 and Xbox are one in the same and the PS2 has a bigger user base, why??
Well, if Munch moved to Xbox because of the "graphics" issue, then I am sad to see how this game turned out. I think you should question more how much Microsoft paid them. And also, Much Inhab... (sp?) also had severe problems programming their first fully 3d engine on the PS2 platform which also made them run to Xbox. A sad story of a developer which happened to have a well known franchise.
Shen Mue 2. It\'s sega and seing how this "exclusive" policy of Sega is working - I\'ll bet we\'ll see a port soon too. So don\'t get too excited.
Project Ego? Well, they\'re officially a PC-developer, so the X-box is their best way to fit into the console business (directX support == easy development).
You named 3 titles... want to share more? I named you a few good reasons for each game why the graphics-issue is more than not likely. If you want to convince me, you got to try a bit harder. ;)
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Yeah and dont forget the moneyhat issues!
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WOOHOO! I\'m a senior member! :D
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Originally posted by seven
Well, if Munch moved to Xbox because of the "graphics" issue, then I am sad to see how this game turned out. I think you should question more how much Microsoft paid them. And also, Much Inhab... (sp?) also had severe problems programming their first fully 3d engine on the PS2 platform which also made them run to Xbox. A sad story of a developer which happened to have a well known franchise.
Shen Mue 2. It\'s sega and seing how this "exclusive" policy of Sega is working - I\'ll bet we\'ll see a port soon too. So don\'t get too excited.
Project Ego? Well, they\'re officially a PC-developer, so the X-box is their best way to fit into the console business (directX support == easy development).
You named 3 titles... want to share more? I named you a few good reasons for each game why the graphics-issue is more than not likely. If you want to convince me, you got to try a bit harder. ;)
I\'m not trying to convince you of anything...think what you want...just letting you know my reasons. I could care less if you "approve" or not...
Scary thoughts... But that\'s okay, I\'ll base my thoughts on interviews, screens and developer information and these give me good reasons to believe otherwise.
Well, we\'re obviously coming from two different sources...because my arguement is stemming from these kinds of sources.
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FFX.. a souped up Dramcast game...
OMFG that is so hillarious.. Ginko, i\'m not sure whats in your head but aparently its incapable of decerning what graphics are good..
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Well, we\'re obviously coming from two different sources...because my arguement is stemming from these kinds of sources.
Then just out of curiousity, name me a few of them. I am really interested what interview, screens and information make you believe that PS2 is at its peak. ;)
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This will probally be totall bull****, I think I saw someone say there gonna hold on untill the Xbox version comes out. Are you mad ? , you could be waiting for ever. Do as I have go pre order VF4 now. http://www.play/com £36.99
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>"I think I saw someone say there gonna hold on untill the Xbox version comes out"
You see,
xbox fans like waiting
Waiting for GTA3, MGS2, FFXI, VF4.. etc
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Originally posted by Chrono
>"I think I saw someone say there gonna hold on untill the Xbox version comes out"
You see,
xbox fans like waiting
Waiting for GTA3, MGS2, FFXI, VF4.. etc
I think they like the exclusive titles and the better versions of the same games...
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I think they like the taste of billionaire sperm
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What does it mean equal? They\'re too different to be compared...
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What I see are Launch games which looks better than 2nd gen PS2 games...
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Whoops - BizioEE contradicting himself again. It\'s funny, once I mention MGS2, you say they\'re too different to be compared - but at the same time you say that 1st gen games look better on Xbox than PS2 games (comparasment).
Whoops seven...don\'t act like a little child...where\'s the contradiction?
You made a stupid comparison...and that\'s the fact...don\'t change subject...
...I said XBox launch games look better than 2nd gen PS2 game...I mean...DOA3 looks better than any fighting game on PS2,PG looks better than any arcade on PS2,Halo looks better than any FPS on PS2,etc etc...
You have to understand poor seven that a 2 years old machine can\'t compete with a new hardware,technically...
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It\'s a complex piece of hardware,not so easy to be fully maximized...
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A directX console with harddrive, Nvidia Chip, a Pentium 3 is obviously very complex what makes it so complex?
The Key is UMA and the incredible features of the NV2a...wait and see dear seven...XBox right now has more untapped power than PS2.
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...I said XBox launch games look better than 2nd gen PS2 game...I mean...DOA3 looks better than any fighting game on PS2,PG looks better than any arcade on PS2,Halo looks better than any FPS on PS2,etc etc...
PG does not look better than GT3.
Btw you want another comparison?
FFX looks better than any RPG on the Xbox.
BGDA looks better than any Action/RPG on the Xbox.
:eek:
See how stupid it looks?
The Key is UMA and the incredible features of the NV2a...wait and see dear seven...XBox right now has more untapped power than PS2.
It has?
Do you remember the developers saying GT3 only used 25% of PS2 power? (I asked another developer about that and he said that it was pretty accurate)
PS2 is a hard to develop for console. (sure the new tools will make it easier. and a complete dev. libary)
While the Xbox has a well known (very, very well known) architecture..
Im sure Xbox graphics will improve alot. But so will the PS2 games.
PS2 games will improve more from its 1st to last generation game than the Xbox will improve from its 1st to last generation game.
To be sure we have to wait.. oh what is it? 3-4 years? :)
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Originally posted by fastson
PG does not look better than GT3.
Btw you want another comparison?
FFX looks better than any RPG on the Xbox.
BGDA looks better than any Action/RPG on the Xbox.
See how stupid it looks?
fastson I respect you but the day you\'re able to play Wreckless on your PS2 then I\'ll see how stupid it looks :)
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this is great news.......I will get both version!!!!!!!! I hope this is true.......:)
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Whoops seven...don\'t act like a little child...where\'s the contradiction?
You made a stupid comparison...and that\'s the fact...don\'t change subject...
No I didn\'t. This whole debate is about the casual gamer and my point is overall PS2 and X-box are equal.
...I said XBox launch games look better than 2nd gen PS2 game...I mean...DOA3 looks better than any fighting game on PS2,PG looks better than any arcade on PS2,Halo looks better than any FPS on PS2,etc etc...
You do get much joy out of comparing DoA3 against ports and rushed launch games do you? It\'s funny how you also like to comare PG only against arcade games (as quoted above), but when it comes to comparing to a game like GT3... LOL. You are pathetic.
The Key is UMA and the incredible features of the NV2a...wait and see dear seven...XBox right now has more untapped power than PS2.
Oh the UMA... and what\'s so challenging about it? From all I heard, UMA is the dream of any developer. Wasn\'t the Xbox designed with all the developers in mind? Wait and where are all those tech articles where it sais that X-box has about 270 MB for textures? And hey, even if they only use half of it... they have more for sound!! Now you tell me big BizioEE and super developer... where\'s the problem?
Oh the NV2a... wow, one hell of a chip I guess. I\'m sure the next thing you\'ll bring up is the ultimate new and revolutionary vertex shaders? :rolleyes:
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Uhhhhhhhh.......pstwo does have a point graphically doa3 looks better than any ps2 game to date............I"m not saying ps2 doesn\'t have a good graphics......it has some of the best.......but xbox graphics are better........thats all pstwo is saying..........:)
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Virtua Fighter 4 Fighting its Way onto Xbox??
Sega of America gives us the official response on whether or not Virtua Fighter 4 is Xbox bound.
February 28, 2002 - You may have heard that several European magazines, like OXM UK, are reporting that Sega is bringing Virtua Fighter 4 to the Xbox. Well, we spoke to Sega of America and they gave us a real bummer of an official response. Bryce Baer, PR guru of SOA, said "Virtua Fighter 4 is a PlayStation2 exclusive. We will let you know if there is any additional news."
Well, don\'t cry for me Argentina. The truth is, VF 4 may still be Xbox bound. Often "exclusive" deals are for a specified time. So, it could be that Sega has agreed that VF 4 will only be on PS2 for six months, or some other time variant. Once that time\'s up, it can come out on another system. This happens a lot in the video game world, and I have a hard time believing VF 4 won\'t be on Xbox by the end of the year.
So why would some mags report it as a sure thing when SOA is denying it? Well, we all have friends in various companies, and sometimes they leak things. My guess would be that OXM UK got the truth, but that Sega\'s official response must be denial for the time being. And even if VF 4 remains exclusive, that doesn\'t mean another VF game can\'t come out on the Xbox.
We will hound Sega on this until they relent and tell us VF 4 is coming to the Box. We\'ll keep you up to date and as soon as we know anything new, you\'ll know.
:sleepy:
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Thank you FastSon. You just made my day. Too shay to those who fell for that "official"-rumour. :D
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I think they like the taste of billionaire sperm
Shame on you. I thought all you Brits are prim and proper. ;)
Ace
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Originally posted by rastalant
Uhhhhhhhh.......pstwo does have a point graphically doa3 looks better than any ps2 game to date............I"m not saying ps2 doesn\'t have a good graphics......it has some of the best.......but xbox graphics are better........thats all pstwo is saying..........:)
Thanks again rastalant! We know that DOA3 look better than VF4 anyway. ;)
Are you getting GV? I just went to software etc. and the chart said March 20th. I can\'t wait!!1 :D
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PS2 has not met its graphical limits...
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I will, and always was willing, to put any amount of money on a VF release on the xbox. Is anyone surprised that Sega gane an official no comment? Come on.
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Originally posted by seven
Then just out of curiousity, name me a few of them. I am really interested what interview, screens and information make you believe that PS2 is at its peak. ;)
Why, you couldn\'t get them anyway, you would have to get back issues of OXM, EGM, and search the archives of IGN.PS2...I couldn\'t prove it otherwise so there\'s no further discussion.
Look, you\'re not going to change what I think...so stop wasting your time...
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I will, and always was willing, to put any amount of money on a VF release on the xbox. Is anyone surprised that Sega gane an official no comment? Come on.
no...comment?
>>>"Virtua Fighter 4 is a PlayStation2 exclusive. We will let you know if there is any additional news."
???
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Look at these MK screens. :eek:
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what the hell did you post those for pstwo!?!?!? they have absolutely no relevance!!
grrr
besides, apart from the fact that they arent in-game, they arent all that impressive...
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//me starting to think that PStwo is on the Microsoft PR Payrole , and if he is then hes in big Trouble !
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Why, you couldn\'t get them anyway, you would have to get back issues of OXM, EGM, and search the archives of IGN.PS2...I couldn\'t prove it otherwise so there\'s no further discussion.
Look, you\'re not going to change what I think...so stop wasting your time...
Of course I can. I can name you a list of interviews - one of where they state that GT3 maxes the PS2 out by mearly 25%. A interview of the guys at EvolutionStudios saying how much they are rising the bar with WRC2. Another one from Naughty Dog where they say that Jak and Daxter isn\'t maxing out PS2 and that not even everything is included (i.e. bumb mapping). V-Rally 3 appearently features 15\'000 polygons per car, which would also be a significant rise compared to GT3 and if you\'ve seen the screens you would agree. Want me to go on?
But you base your thoughts on interviews and screens of OXM (didn\'t know they covered the PS2 extensively.. mmh), EGM doesn\'t seem to be a accurate source for this kinds of information either. Why don\'t you look at the screens and interviews of developers working on actual dev-kits, instead of xbox and pro Microsoft sources.
Oh and Ginko. I could really care less about what you think and where you get your info from. I was just curious and as you proved to me, there aren\'t any credible sources you could name me that would convince me that the PS2 is at its peak.
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Originally posted by pstwo
Thanks again rastalant! We know that DOA3 look better than VF4 anyway. ;)
Are you getting GV? I just went to software etc. and the chart said March 20th. I can\'t wait!!1 :D
Anytime pstwo.:) Oh yes i can\'t wait fo r GV i will be picking it up along with Railsport......which comes out next week.:)
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Originally posted by rastalant
Anytime pstwo.:) Oh yes i can\'t wait fo r GV i will be picking it up along with Railsport......which comes out next week.:)
*sigh* I can\'t wait to see what the lamest website on the net XboxIgn rates these games:rolleyes: Im expecting high 9\'s for some more crap games. Well GV is a sega game, therefore, that one should be good. But, none the less, bring on the lame ass Xbox ign reviews:rolleyes: :surprised
*goes back to playing his dreamcast*
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
*sigh* I can\'t wait to see what the lamest website on the net XboxIgn rates these games:rolleyes: Im expecting high 9\'s for some more crap games. Well GV is a sega game, therefore, that one should be good. But, none the less, bring on the lame ass Xbox ign reviews:rolleyes: :surprised
*goes back to playing his dreamcast*
LOL!!!!!! Whats up terry? Doing okay today? GV should be awesome cause sega rarely makes bad games...:)
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Originally posted by seven
Of course I can. I can name you a list of interviews - one of where they state that GT3 maxes the PS2 out by mearly 25%. A interview of the guys at EvolutionStudios saying how much they are rising the bar with WRC2. Another one from Naughty Dog where they say that Jak and Daxter isn\'t maxing out PS2 and that not even everything is included (i.e. bumb mapping). V-Rally 3
appearently features 15\'000 polygons per car, which would also be a significant rise compared to GT3 and if you\'ve seen the screens you would agree. Want me to go on?
But you base your thoughts on interviews and screens of OXM (didn\'t know they covered the PS2 extensively.. mmh), EGM doesn\'t seem to be a accurate source for this kinds of information either. Why don\'t you look at the screens and interviews of developers working on actual dev-kits, instead of xbox and pro Microsoft sources.
Oh and Ginko. I could really care less about what you think and where you get your info from. I was just curious and as you proved to me, there aren\'t any credible sources you could name me that would convince me that the PS2 is at its peak.
I find it somewhat funny that the two interviews you list as credible come from Sony 1st party...:rolleyes:
Rasing the bar? That can be interperted so many ways...
15,000 polys vs. 10,000 won\'t be that much of a noticable difference...trust me.
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rastalant, check this out!!!1 I have to sneek this info here because the mods said I must stop posting Xbox topics. Thire so much news!!!1 Hide Bobs coming!!1 ;)
Awards at the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences:
Halo™ for the Xbox™ video game system, is the most honored game of the year. Halo scored a clean sweep of the top awards at the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences (AIAS) 5th Annual Awards Show last night in Las Vegas. Awards were determined by a vote of the Academy’s membership, which honored Halo with the following:
• Game of the Year (all platforms)
• Console Game of the Year
• Console Action/Adventure Game of the Year
• Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering
Another Xbox title was singled out by the Academy, Oddworld™: Munch’s Oddysee received the Outstanding Achievement in Animation Award. The stellar evening for Microsoft Game Studios was rounded out as Microsoft “Flight Simulator 2002” took home Computer Simulation Game of the Year. Other Microsoft games to receive nominations this year were: “Project Gotham Racing™” for Xbox; “Microsoft Train Simulator™”; “MechWarrior™ 4”; “Black Knight™” and “Asherson’s Call™: Dark Majesty”.
Dead Or Alive 3 also won the hot title of "Best Fighting Game Of The Year"
The Xbox really has landed and its kicking ass while its here!
Link: http://www.xboxgamers.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1015075327,39781,
Check out this box art!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.amazon.com%2Fimages%2FP%2FB00005NZ1G.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg&hash=92d46acc2f1ef646647f2956d577b81a3903b1d0)
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Christ PS2two if thats you idea of taking it easy posting X box stuff, i don\'t know whatyou will be like on a E3 Overdirve?
maybe i can see Clyde about getting my Mod Holidays in may ;)
Also
DOA3 Vs VF4 is old
we all know that DOA games are good for nothing Newbie button bashing over hyped games of £$%TE !
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Originally posted by ooseven
DOA3 Vs VF4 is old
We all know that DOA games are good for nothing Newbie button bashing over hyped games of £$%TE !
The most skilled DOA3 player is the person who can smash the buttons the fastest. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
The most skilled DOA3 player is the person who can smash the buttons the fastest. :rolleyes:
or the person that can tape down the attack buttons :rolleyes:
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15,000 polys vs. 10,000 won\'t be that much of a noticable difference...trust me.
You\'re changing the debate. We were talking about Ps2 being maxed out. If a team rises it\'s polygons by 50% (Gt3 had ~5000 polygons per car btw, not 10\'000), it means that it\'s not at its peak. ;)
I find it somewhat funny that the two interviews you list as credible come from Sony 1st party...
Does it matter? As long as the result is good, I don\'t care if it\'s Sonys 1st or 3rd party. At least 1st party should know more about their hardware. Is it so hard to believe though? All these interviews come from respected teams that have only brought out 1st generation games (or first try). I\'ll at least give them the chance to prove themselves with the second attempt. But I am done with this debate. You obviously haven\'t played enough games on PS2 to judge and as it seems you prefer to trust your own "questionable" sources.
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You\'re changing the debate. We were talking about Ps2 being maxed out. If a team rises it\'s polygons by 50% (Gt3 had ~5000 polygons per car btw, not 10\'000), it means that it\'s not at its peak.
Go all the way back to the first time I said it will soon peak if it hasn\'t already...
Like I said, 5000 isn\'t that noticeable. GT3 pushed what, 10,000 per car. PG supposedly pushed 16,000 per car. Could you tell the difference? No...
I think it\'s close to being tapped out...
Does it matter? As long as the result is good, I don\'t care if it\'s Sonys 1st or 3rd party. At least 1st party should know more about their hardware. Is it so hard to believe though? All these interviews come from respected teams that have only brought out 1st generation games (or first try). I\'ll at least give them the chance to prove themselves with the second attempt. But I am done with this debate. You obviously haven\'t played enough games on PS2 to judge and as it seems you prefer to trust your own "questionable" sources.
instead of xbox and pro Microsoft sources.
When you put it like this it does...you tell me not to mention pro Xbox, then don\'t mention pro Sony...
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I think it\'s close to being tapped out...
I find it very amusing though, how you think that PS2 is soon to be maxed out with basically 1st generation games. Especially since PS2 is a ***** to program for.
When you put it like this it does...you tell me not to mention pro Xbox, then don\'t mention pro Sony...
We\'re argueing about the PS2\'s limitations now are we? I\'d rather rely on information from Sony than from any "pro Xbox" source. In this arguement, Sony related sources are more credible (since they develop for the system) than anyone who could give a damn about the system.
But seing how this arguement is progressing, I wouldn\'t be suprised if you\'ll try to convince me that pro Xbox sources know the PS2\'s limitation better than Sonys own development teams. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by seven
(Gt3 had ~5000 polygons per car btw, not 10\'000),
Originally posted by Ginko
GT3 pushed what, 10,000 per car.
Damn, you should read ALL of seven\'s posts.
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Just to add this: If GT3 uses 25% of the PS2 - then this should already end this useless arguement since this proves that the PS2 is far from being maxed out. This 25% is messured data by the \'Performance Analizer 2\' and is pretty factual. I can only speculate about what a talented developer like Polyphony will get out of Ps2 with their next game (obviously their second attempt on PS2).
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We\'re argueing about the PS2\'s limitations now are we? I\'d rather rely on information from Sony than from any "pro Xbox" source. In this arguement, Sony related sources are more credible (since they develop for the system) than anyone who could give a damn about the system.
But seing how this arguement is progressing, I wouldn\'t be suprised if you\'ll try to convince me that pro Xbox sources know the PS2\'s limitation better than Sonys own development teams.
I don\'t find any Sony sources credible, I take them extremely lightly. After an end all hype of a launch...Toy Story graphics, it won\'t happen...not this generation.
I thought I remember that number being 50-75% and that he couldn\'t really do much else with the series this generation except go online...
I could be wrong, but then again there\'s no point in trying to convince me.
Like I said...you\'re wasting your time.
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Originally posted by Ginko
I thought I remember that number being 50-75% and that he couldn\'t really do much else with the series this generation except go online...
I could be wrong, but then again there\'s no point in trying to convince me.
You are wrong..
He said that he could not do anything more at that time with that graphics engine and with the tools that were available at that time..
Like I said.. How likely would it be that ANY (even god himself) developer would max out a "hard-to-develop-for" console with a "new" architecture on their first try?
Not very likely.... Right?
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Originally posted by pstwo
rastalant, check this out!!!1 I have to sneek this info here because the mods said I must stop posting Xbox topics. Thire so much news!!!1 Hide Bobs coming!!1 ;)
Awards at the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences:
Halo™ for the Xbox™ video game system, is the most honored game of the year. Halo scored a clean sweep of the top awards at the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences (AIAS) 5th Annual Awards Show last night in Las Vegas. Awards were determined by a vote of the Academy’s membership, which honored Halo with the following:
• Game of the Year (all platforms)
• Console Game of the Year
• Console Action/Adventure Game of the Year
• Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering
Another Xbox title was singled out by the Academy, Oddworld™: Munch’s Oddysee received the Outstanding Achievement in Animation Award. The stellar evening for Microsoft Game Studios was rounded out as Microsoft “Flight Simulator 2002” took home Computer Simulation Game of the Year. Other Microsoft games to receive nominations this year were: “Project Gotham Racing™” for Xbox; “Microsoft Train Simulator™”; “MechWarrior™ 4”; “Black Knight™” and “Asherson’s Call™: Dark Majesty”.
Dead Or Alive 3 also won the hot title of "Best Fighting Game Of The Year"
The Xbox really has landed and its kicking ass while its here!
Link: http://www.xboxgamers.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1015075327,39781,
Check out this box art!
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.amazon.com%2Fimages%2FP%2FB00005NZ1G.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg&hash=92d46acc2f1ef646647f2956d577b81a3903b1d0)
AWESOME!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the news pstwo!!!!!! Thats a sweet new cover for halo!!!! Pstwo keep up the good work with the post buddy.:) Halo deserve game of the year.....:)
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why the hell are you encouraging spam rastalant?
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Originally posted by Chrono
why the hell are you encouraging spam rastalant?
LOL!!!!!!!! Thats not spam.....:)
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You are no one to criticize the intelligence of some one\'s posts, Chrono. You have to be the biggest waste of bandwidth on this board.
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Originally posted by rastalant
LOL!!!!!!!! Thats not spam.....:)
as far as i am concerned it is. he came into this topic about virtua fighter 4 (although in all fairness it has degenerated into another debate) and posted something COMPLETELY irrelevant..
its like a topic discussing which is better, Colin McRae or TOCA, and posting screens for Tekken..
:rolleyes: Rasta, you need to get your head out of pstwo\'s crotch buddy
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Originally posted by Ginko
I don\'t find any Sony sources credible, I take them extremely lightly. After an end all hype of a launch...Toy Story graphics, it won\'t happen...not this generation.
I thought I remember that number being 50-75% and that he couldn\'t really do much else with the series this generation except go online...
I could be wrong, but then again there\'s no point in trying to convince me.
Like I said...you\'re wasting your time.
Hi Ginko :)
I spent 3 beautiful days out in Milano city with my girl friend...I feel so relaxed...
...but back to the topic...you\'re so right...
How could people still believe Sony ?...They spoke about Next Gen Graphics,animations,game-play,a new experience...emotions in game...where Ginko ?...The only emotions I see are mine...I\'m pissed off at Sony ! We won\'t see what Sony promised,the "untapped power"...these are only bull****...and Sony\'d want keep people believing their bull**** until they release PS3...to win this "stupid war" made of sold consoles...
In my mind PS2 won\'t win ! PS2 is a total disappointment for me! and you poor fanboys don\'t come here to quote me...it\'s my opinion and even God couldn\'t change it!
...and God save the XBox too if it won\'t show me what I\'m expecting from it...but I\'ll give to this new console the time it needs! as I did with PS2!
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Originally posted by rastalant
LOL!!!!!!!! Thats not spam.....:)
US good .. SPAM BAD !
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*yawn* :yawn:
Oh, what am I doing in here?
Silly me...
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Originally posted by fastson
*yawn* :yawn:
Oh, what am I doing in here?
Silly me...
yeah what are you still doing here ?
didn\'t you PM me saying you where going to see the backstreet boys tonight ?
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Backstreet Boys??? Ahhhhhhh!!! *seven runs for his life*
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Originally posted by ooseven
yeah what are you still doing here ?
didn\'t you PM me saying you where going to see the backstreet boys tonight ?
No.. I got dumped by my boyfriend :(
I dont feel like going now.. Anyone want the tickets?
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Originally posted by BizioEE
In my mind PS2 won\'t win ! PS2 is a total disappointment for me!
Sure, the PS2 didn\'t live up to all the hype created by Sony, the press, and the millions of PSX owners; But really, what console could have? The hype for the PS2 launch was enormous, and has yet to be matched by any other console. How long are you going to hold that against Sony though? Maybe you should look at all of the great things the PS2 does have and judge it on that instead of looking at what the PS2 does not have. Since its launch, the PS2 has got quite a few brand new, great video game series\' (DMC, J&D, Onimusha, Baldur\'s Gate: console version, SSX, Timesplitters, ICO), and also quite a few great sequels to older series\' (MGS2, GT3, GTA3, TTT). IMO, the PS2 is one of the greatest consoles ever due to its amazing past, present, and future games.
The Xbox is not living up to the hype either (graphics 3x better than the PS2\'s, online gaming out of the box[heh, latest rumors point to this fall at the earliest], a controller designed by gamers), but I\'m not going to hold that against it. The Xbox does have a few jems that perk my interest, and it has been surprisingly successful (sales wise) so far in America. The Xbox is powerful without a doubt, but without the support that power is going to be meaningless. The latest Japan sales figures aren\'t looking too good for the Xbox, and the European market in general is skeptical about it and its relatively high price. My point is that you shouldn\'t expect so much out of the Xbox, because you may be disappointed like you were with the PS2. Only time will tell if the Xbox gets the support it deserves though, and if it lives up to all the hype.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Sure, the PS2 didn\'t live up to all the hype created by Sony, the press, and the millions of PSX owners; But really, what console could have? The hype for the PS2 launch was enormous, and has yet to be matched by any other console. How long are you going to hold that against Sony though? Maybe you should look at all of the great things the PS2 does have and judge it on that instead of looking at what the PS2 does not have. Since its launch, the PS2 has got quite a few brand new, great video game series\' (DMC, J&D, Onimusha, Baldur\'s Gate: console version, SSX, Timesplitters, ICO), and also quite a few great sequels to older series\' (MGS2, GT3, GTA3, TTT). IMO, the PS2 is one of the greatest consoles ever due to its amazing past, present, and future games.
Finally a nice,unbiased and intelligent guy to debate with:)...
You\'re right...sure my hard feelings for Sony won\'t change things and I should enjoy the games,as I\'m doing,and stop to complain about the lack of novelty,innovation,etc...
But I was expecting a lot more...and DMC,J&D,BG: DA,etc is not what I was dreaming...sure...they\'re good games,really good games,but not what I want...you\'re telling me I should be happy for some new series...but I can\'t...but all the same I\'ll stop complaining...it\'s useless...most of all when you represent the 0.001% of people complaining about the lack of originality and feeling slightly uneasy for the current state of gaming...
I\'m sorry that most people can\'t see what I see...
The Xbox is not living up to the hype either (graphics 3x better than the PS2\'s, online gaming out of the box[heh, latest rumors point to this fall at the earliest], a controller designed by gamers), but I\'m not going to hold that against it. The Xbox does have a few jems that perk my interest, and it has been surprisingly successful (sales wise) so far in America. The Xbox is powerful without a doubt, but without the support that power is going to be meaningless. The latest Japan sales figures aren\'t looking too good for the Xbox, and the European market in general is skeptical about it and its relatively high price. My point is that you shouldn\'t expect so much out of the Xbox, because you may be disappointed like you were with the PS2. Only time will tell if the Xbox gets the support it deserves though, and if it lives up to all the hype.
It\'s too early to say XBox is not living up to the hype...and our eyes can\'t misure the 2,3,5x factor(hypothetically)...should you say PS2 is 15 times more powerful than DC ?
Sure, the PS2 didn\'t live up to all the hype created by Sony, the press, and the millions of PSX owners; But really, what console could have?
The DreamCast has lived up to the hype and my expectations,PS2 nope...and now are Nintendo and Microsoft on duty !
I\'ve just said it a lot of times...I\'ll give the XBox the time it needs...and however I\'m trustful for the stuff XBox\'s shown in the first 3 months of life...let\'s wait and see!
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I\'m sorry that most people can\'t see what I see...
umm.. why? we obviously enjoy our games more than you.. :p
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
umm.. why? we obviously enjoy our games more than you.. :p
I\'m not sorry for you :p,I\'m sorry for the current state of gaming and worried for the future...and things won\'t change until people are happy with always the same boring stuff...