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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Seed_Of_Evil on March 01, 2002, 09:52:10 AM
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Microsoft\'s Xbox has been available on Japanese shelves for less than a week and already retailers have noticed an alarming number of defective product inquiries. So many in fact, Microsoft has launched a full-scale investigation into the situation. Thus far, the bulk of the customer complaints involve defective software. Microsoft is reportedly trying to determine whether the discs arrived defective, were damaged in transit, or if some consoles scratched the discs during normal use. As previously reported, Microsoft contracted several local firms to produce Xbox software for the Japanese market.
Source (http://www.xengamers.com/sections/news/6636/)
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Ouutchhh
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Thanks for the news Adan. I hope they find out what happen. :D
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My eeevil plans are working! :nerd: MWAHAHAHA!
I just happened to stumble upon the Japanese Xbox freight shipment last month at this dock in Seattle, Washington! So I peed all over the freight.
Of course, I didn\'t have enough supply of pee so I payed a bunch of homeless drunks to pee all over it with me. That was fun....good thing I wore boots and a rain coat. Drunks don\'t aim to well....even though they were aiming straight down. Some those sickos were peeing straight up! Perverts!
Anway....blame me. I did it. :p
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I hear about this early yesterday from a friend.. but he had no link to proove it..
Maybe there are problems..
wow, sell like crap then work like crap.. poor M$ :laughing:
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the same problem happened with the US dreamcast launch, remember?
sucks to be m$
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PS2 had its share of launch problems.
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>"PS2 had its share of launch problems."
:laughing: my favorite tactic of the xbox fanboy
saying something yet having nothing to back it up
care to be more specific?
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Well here I go clown:
System shortages--well below promised shipment numbers.
The whole DVD/mem card fiasco that rendered the player useless
The DVD driver didn\'t really work that well in the first place
Discs scratching when system is vertical
Major graphical problems
Not exactly smooth, not anything really major, but problems nonetheless. Happy you little fanboy?
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I personally don\'t know any one who experienced any of these problems. The dvd-driver problems was only a problem in japan - or so I heard.
Anyway, those little problems didn\'t matter at all and PS2 is selling very well. The question is, can Microsoft (whos image obviously isn\'t too good in that department) afford such a thing?
And about the system shortages... can I count Xbox in too? And that world-wide launch? We here in europe are still pissed about that... or maybe not?! /jk :D
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>"System shortages--well below promised shipment numbers."
LOL, I don\'t even need to comment, at least the systems *worked*
>"The whole DVD/mem card fiasco that rendered the player useless "
Wow, so they had to put the DVD driver disc into the system to reset the memory card driver.. big whoop, they
>"The DVD driver didn\'t really work that well in the first place"
Even funnier then the first comment, its 100% opinion
Often xbox fanboys resort to opinion as fact to try to make an argument
>"Discs scratching when system is vertical"
100% rumor and aparently not widespread
>"Major graphical problems"
LOL, 100% opinion
Often xbox fanboys resort to opinion as fact to try to make an argument
>"Not exactly smooth, not anything really major, but problems nonetheless. Happy you little fanboy?"
uhh.. I see no problems and only opinion
I thought beacuse it was launching in japan 2nd all the bugs would be worked out..
wait a sec, this *is* microsoft we are talking about... ROFL
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It doesnt mean anything.....wow the x-box has a bug every system has atleast 2 bugs at the beggining. Ps2 had em havent heard of any GC bugs but im sure their out there. Same with the other systems. They\'ll get fixed and nobody will care.
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Common knowledge that the DVD drivers up until recently have been sh!t. Plenty of movies don\'t play on different PS2 versions. Not to mention the shortage of systems and memory cards. THen we also have people taking their PS2\'s back because it has scratched discs or quit reading disc. There has been plenty of complaints about it on this very board.
You can stay blind as long as you wish, Chrono. Its just simple fact about the PS2 having its nice amount of problems also.
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Watchdog, I hate video game politics. Thats why I say out of it. It wast lots of time.
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Chrono, if you don\'t listen to me, listen to other PS2 owners on this board--you are a cancer, and annoying growth that doesn\'t do anything of any worth.
You must have a small life and a sad existence to so doggedly deny any negative news about PS2 while standing up and cheering when anything negative happens to xbox.
What this says about a person is pretty obvious; I, myself, have strong interests in LIFE or should I say A LIFE. Perhaps you should devote some of your attention into attaining one of your own.
I can tell you it\'s pretty cool.
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>"What this says about a person is pretty obvious; I, myself, have strong interests in LIFE or should I say A LIFE. Perhaps you should devote some of your attention into attaining one of your own."
If you have intrests in life, then why do you have 500 posts here? :laughing:
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My 500 posts are from talking to people, enjoying my hobby with other hobbyists. They are not from shamelessly bashing one system in favour of another. They are not from being a completely ignorant fanboy. And they are not anything like the majority of your posts.
You see Chrono, just because I own a PS2 doesn\'t mean I have to hate xbox. You are a Sony marketer\'s dream: a mindless sheep who buys into thier company line and works for them for free spreading their message to anyone unfortunate enough to read your crap.
What possible gain you get from posting your brand of garbage I\'ll never understand. I can only hope you are a 12 year old boy or a Sony majority owner because anything else is a terrible indictment of our educational and social system.
Can\'t you see that you are among the absolute worst of internet users? You are the 1% that ruin an otherwise enjoyable experience. You are not unlike the obese 30-year-old man posing as Cindy the secretary on findadate.com or the aimbot user in a game of UT or Q3.
You are counterproductive to sites like these and provide nothing of value. People like you can go unnoticed on IGN or TXB, but here you stand out (you and a couple others) because most members here are openminded and sincere.
You are a piece of fat on prime rib; I only wish I had a knife.
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Maybe they where playing them while in the BATH :rolleyes: .....
i mean you wouldn\'t catch any memberfrom this Forum Doing anything like that :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Watchdog
PS2 had its share of launch problems.
Oooohhh launch problems. Well see in reality it isnt really xbox\'s launch. It has been out and anything that went wrong in the launch here should have been fixed. I know you have to make the conversion on the hardware and software but that shouldnt affect the bugs, (it could but it would be kinda rare). What im getting at is that these problems should have been sorted out before. Ps2\'s "American launch problems," such as "shortages in products" is not really that big of a deal when you consider that xbox\'s crop was poison. It really wasnt a matter of "bugs". Capiche.;)
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"You see Chrono, just because I own a PS2 doesn\'t mean I have to hate xbox. You are a Sony marketer\'s dream: a mindless sheep who buys into thier company line and works for them for free spreading their message to anyone unfortunate enough to read your crap.
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Just because I hate Bill Gates doesnt mean I have to hate X-Box.....wait yes it does! :) :laughing: :)
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The reason Gates is hated is because he is rich and successful and people are jealous.
He runs his business like a business, like anyone would do, like any company does.
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*cough*
he\'s been a thief his ENTIRE career
ACK, i said it!
steve jobs would be proud of me
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Originally posted by Watchdog
The reason Gates is hated is because he is rich and successful and people are jealous.
He runs his business like a business, like anyone would do, like any company does.
While people respect the fact that he\'s rich and successfull, he\'s hated because he had to become the lowest kind of bottom-dwelling-scum-sucker to get to the top. First of all, he isn\'t the genius behind MS Dos and then Windows, he was simply the one willing to backstab all his smart, but honorable, buddies, and take their ideas. Once he had a small stranglehold on the OS market, he used that illegaly, and immorally to drive out or buy out any competition he had (like Netscape, WordPerfect - try \'n make em stable under Windows 98, I dare you). Now that he\'s got a huge company, he buys out small innovative companies, and nobody can readily compete against MS and it\'s deep pockets. That\'s why he\'s hated.
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Sounds like smart business to me. I\'d do the same thing. He\'s successful. Everyone ripped off Sega\'s cell shading, ID\'s first person shooter, Atari\'s console model, etc etc.
Gates has made it his career. ALL smart companies absorb smaller ones to makes themselves more powerful. You make it sound like a crime.
You fail to mention that MS regualrily give money to Corel (the makers of WP). My brother is a software engineer for Corel and he likes MS, ans so does Corel. That doesn\'t sound like a big bad corporation to me.
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Like a magnet? or a group of maggets?
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The only reason I hate gates is because he is so wealthy, yet he still has such a stupid haircut. :D
Other than that, I really respect the guy. He has done things that most of us can only dream of doing.
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watchdog? i sincerely hope you were tired or drunk when you posted this nonsense
Everyone ripped off Sega\'s cell shading, ID\'s first person shooter, Atari\'s console model, etc etc.
sega WAS NOT the 1st to use cell shading
ID WAS NOT the 1st to make a 1st person shooter
Atari WAS NOT the 1st console
sheesh, usually yer on the ball, but you dropped it this time
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Originally posted by Watchdog
The reason Gates is hated is because he is rich and successful and people are jealous.
He runs his business like a business, like anyone would do, like any company does.
No!, the reason I hate him is because he has got rich from a sh!t product. He release a below par piece of software which is full of bus ( which he knows about ) and then every couple of months brings out a slightly less buggy version, about 3 versions later you have a bug free version, now you might call that cleaver but I call it damm right disgusting, we dont pay for buggy products, and that is why I dload all my software of the net, Im not paying all the cash for Office Xp when I can dload, its not like he\'s gonna miss the money.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
The reason Gates is hated is because he is rich and successful and people are jealous.
He runs his business like a business, like anyone would do, like any company does.
*coff* Windows operation systems *coff* *coff* :rolleyes:
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"sega WAS NOT the 1st to use cell shading "
Sega was the first t make it work. They started the trend. After Sega, everyone made a cell shaded game.
"ID WAS NOT the 1st to make a 1st person shooter "
The people from ID did make wolfenstein. Wolfenstien, as far as I know, was the first FPS.
"Atari WAS NOT the 1st console"
Atari wasn\'t the first console no, but it was the first to undersell hardware to make a profit on games. Thus, the first hardware model.
Even if all these points were factually incorrect, my point is that everyone copies good ideas.
Buggy or not, it\'s successful. Why change if your "buggy" software makes you the richest man in the world? He\'s got to be doing something right. Marketing? Maybe, but consumers regularily buy inferior products because of good marketing. Again, I fail to see anything wrong with being intelligent.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Sounds like smart business to me. I\'d do the same thing. He\'s successful. Everyone ripped off Sega\'s cell shading, ID\'s first person shooter, Atari\'s console model, etc etc.
Gates has made it his career. ALL smart companies absorb smaller ones to makes themselves more powerful. You make it sound like a crime.
You fail to mention that MS regualrily give money to Corel (the makers of WP). My brother is a software engineer for Corel and he likes MS, ans so does Corel. That doesn\'t sound like a big bad corporation to me.
Does Billy Boy "give" you money Too ?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Ans does Sony give you money ooseven? I never promote any console unless it is getting the fanboy treatment. You on the other hand take your daily pot shots at MS and xbox.
You figure it out.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Ans does Sony give you money ooseven? I never promote any console unless it is getting the fanboy treatment. You on the other hand take your daily pot shots at MS and xbox.
You figure it out.
No they Don\'t ......i sit here and read your crap for free.
So get it RIGHT UP YA ! (Scottish term for Taunting your enemy)
and as for the "daily pot shots at MS and xbox" they are what keep me going, having to read your GOD awful Posts !
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Oh look, I hurt the fanboy\'s feelings.
Say what you want, but ever wonder why most people ignore your posts? Perhaps if you didn\'t post meaningless sony-drive tripe you might get a little respect around here. Instead, you and chrono seem to be having a competition to see who can be the most ignorant and closed-minded.
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>"You fail to mention that MS regualrily give money to Corel (the makers of WP). My brother is a software engineer for Corel and he likes MS, ans so does Corel. That doesn\'t sound like a big bad corporation to me."
Ohh, wow
one example makes it all better :laughing:
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Is that supposed to be an overwhelming argument?
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Jeez...... Watchdog....... why does it seem everything you say about someone is that there a fanboy? It seems when someone supports a system in an argument they are a fanboy. I support GC in some arguments.....does that make me a fanboy?
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i think both WatchDog and ooseven need to sit down with a chill pill and a nice warm enema.. youre getting a bit worked up over nothing here ol\' chap\'s
and as for the "daily pot shots at MS and xbox" they are what keep me going, having to read your GOD awful Posts !
where the hell did that come from man?? eh well, despit how much i may disagree with their posts, i like having an XBox influence on this board ( except for pstwo :rpissed: ). Only posts of Watchdog\'s i would call "GOD awful" are those just bashing Chrono
but to watchdog.. seems to me youre getting a little over your head here in some aspects too.. mebbe you should cool down as well :)
as for me.. yes.. i hate microsoft :D
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Yeah I know, Bob. I just get annoyed with some of the people around here. If it was another forum it would be a different story, but there are so few zealots here that I like to think we could have a fanboy free forum. I DO get carried away sometimes. It\'s just that people like that attract other people like that and before we know it this\'ll be IGN2.
I can tolerate PStwo because atleast he doesn\'t show up in every second thread and bash the PS2. He posts a lot of xbox "news", but it\'s harmless stuff mostly. People like Chrono and to a lesser extent ooseven turn every xbox thread into a "my-console-is-better-than-yours-here-are-some-screens-and-articles war. That\'s kid\'s stuff and it isn\'t necessary or fruitful.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
i think both WatchDog and ooseven need to sit down with a chill pill and a nice warm enema.. youre getting a bit worked up over nothing here ol\' chap\'s
where the hell did that come from man?? eh well, despit how much i may disagree with their posts, i like having an XBox influence on this board ( except for pstwo :rpissed: ). Only posts of Watchdog\'s i would call "GOD awful" are those just bashing Chrono
but to watchdog.. seems to me youre getting a little over your head here in some aspects too.. mebbe you should cool down as well :)
as for me.. yes.. i hate microsoft :D
thanks bobby boy
i was getting to involved with this thread..
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Watchdog for Moderator...
;)
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Gates needs his damn turkey neck removed......with a guillotine!
Did you see that waddle? Good gravy!
And may Xbox go down! :p
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I think this whole "fanboy" thing originates from jealousy. Not jealousy of the owner of a company (ie. Bill Gates) or hatred towards the company (ie. Microsoft). It starts because someone doesn\'t have the system they are criticizing. I have had a PS2 for about 4 months and I love the thing, but this weekend I received an Xbox and for the few good games out for it right now it is about equal to my PS2. I wouldn\'t have bought it myself, but I have it now and that is all that matters (heh I have a good wife). The only thing that I think MS did well was the HD in the Xbox. Forget memory cards! Speaking of that, I haven\'t been able to locate an extra memory card for my PS2 in over a month!
Basically, why wish for the demise of any system? With variety comes choice and with choice comes good competition and great games. Sony does need a good opponent and the Xbox IMHO is the only machine capable of taking them on.
Just imagine if Sony was the only company, we would still have great games, but we would have more mediocre ones and probably even more just plain sucky ones.
Its great finally having both systems (I have no interest in the GC) and it is so great being able to go to any video game store and have a huge selection whether it be PS2 only or Xbox only. Its truly the best of both worlds.
I see this same crap on the Xbox boards only worse. They really criticize the PS2 when they have no clue. "The Xbox runs at 733mhz and the PS2 runs at 300mhz... The Xbox hardware crushes the PS2!" Try to tell them that there is no "real" way to compare the different speeds with each other due to different architecture (P3 vs Emotion) and they call you a PS2 fanboy. Bah this crap makes me sick. I enjoy both for their similarities and differences.
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Well said Giga--that\'s all most of us ever say.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Just imagine if Sony was the only company, we would still have great games, but we would have more mediocre ones and probably even more just plain sucky ones.
you make a point, but i think having an XBox there doesnt make any real difference to the quality of games. If PS2 was the only console, then that would only affect the consoles, not the games. Prices would be more expensive for longer, first party peripherals would be more expensive, the addons etc. etc. because the PC would be the only other alternative. However, the game quality themselves would be unaffected (except for may aesthetics) as for 1) they are still competing against PC and 2) they are competing against eachother for your purchase and 3)the integrity of the developers. Saying there would be more mediocre games i think is incorrect
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but it is a good thing having another console in competition.. i guess we will see what happens :)
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acually having one console would affect the games quite so
if you had one console that would mean every existing developer would make games for one system
when you have all those extra devs making games and a lot of them would have been spread out on each console - well not all of those games are gonna be hits - very few will be that and also with all that software it would make it hard for the little guys to compete with the big guys as there wouldnt be enough sales coming in with all the games coming out
having more then one console affects the games - for one it drives 1st party devs to show up other 1st party devs on other consoles
an so on - when you have competition - you will tend to set goals above them to out shine them - so its only natural you would get great games with more competition
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disagree
while someone like Jasin Rubin like to trash talk against other consoles, you think Jak & Daxter would be any less had PS2 been the only console? no.. developers are still competing against eachother and the ever evolving PC world..
if anything it may mean better games, as there would be more money in the one console, not to mention the fact that there are so many games on offer you would REALLY need to do something special to be noticed and get a LOT of sales
:)
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well that is one possibility
but the main thing i see that would be a problem is that the small devs would never be able to make it - with all the big devs on one system plus the fact that they are competing with each other - the smaller devs would never be able to have enough money to compete - some of the smaller games that people love wouldnt exist and it would keep devs from trying to be creative - as if too creative a lot of money could be lost if the game doesnt catch on
also this doesnt affect games completely but if theres only one console then there would never be a reason for sony to upgrade - they could just keep making money on cheap hardware production - if this were to happen then games would never be able to advance as they could if there were a new system
anyway monopolies are bad i trust we both know this
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
but the main thing i see that would be a problem is that the small devs would never be able to make it - with all the big devs on one system plus the fact that they are competing with each other - the smaller devs would never be able to have enough money to compete - some of the smaller games that people love wouldnt exist and it would keep devs from trying to be creative - as if too creative a lot of money could be lost if the game doesnt catch on
it really wouldnt be any different from now.. those small games rarely get popular anyway and the odd ones that are really good will get good press and people willbuy them and word will get around, just like it always has.. things really wouldnt change just because there are more developers on one console. How many small games do you see right now popping up with 3 (4 including DC) and even hand helds, that are surprising everyone from small developers..?
and who is stopping them from developing it on the PC?
really wouldnt be much difference from now, my friend
Originally posted by Sublimesjg
also this doesnt affect games completely but if theres only one console then there would never be a reason for sony to upgrade - they could just keep making money on cheap hardware production - if this were to happen then games would never be able to advance as they could if there were a new system
that was the point that i made, although consoles will upgrade, the PC industry will evolve beyond consoles, developers will want more, even the fans will want more, it might just mean the cycle for each generation is extended..
the only real problem with a monopoly (therewould be more but this is the biggest) would be the fact that Sony could charge what they want, for what they want.. increase the fees on developers, hike game costs up. etc. etc. but even that wouldnt happen too badly, because a) people would turn to PC\'s (i would if consoles were too expensive) and b) another console would challenge only cheaper.. microsoft, sega or nintendo could make a comeback to challenge sony (assuming sony were the ones with the monopoly)
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nice posts bobs - exactly my thoughts. :)
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If there was only the ps2, I would not be surprised if the games were higher quality.. developers would not have to worry about porting games or stuff like that from console to console..
Only thing that might change is Features (IE, DVD, BB/HDD) or Power. But the PC should help keep things in check
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No offense Chrono, but the "benefits" as you call them from a one system market would not outway the negatives. As someone stated earlier in this thread, a one console market would mean higher prices - and not a just a few dollars either.
As for the software development, let us look back to when the Atari 2600 was pretty much alone in the console market. We got games like ET... need I say more? Besides competition fuels growth and development. If IBM had remained the only computer manufacturer I wonder how big a PC today would be? Or how fast it would run?
As you can see monopolies tend to be more destructive than beneficial. I can\'t believe you can\'t see that Chrono. BTW do you still own a Betamax :rolleyes:
Sony is on top right now and that is great for all of us who own PS2\'s, but I don\'t want to see the Xbox go out the same way the DC did.
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the DC went out with style i feel
i would like to see the xbox go out like the 3DO did
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As for the software development, let us look back to when the Atari 2600 was pretty much alone in the console market.
No need to. Times have changed and there are heaps more people who play games (and more developers who program them) today.
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well if the PC is anothe alternative to gaming then in a sense its not a monopoly then is it
because if the PC is considered competition then there is something to drive the devs and console maker to make things better
but im talking about monopoly in the sense there is nothing else to compete with - as thats what monopoly is - so there would be no PC to keep the system in check - there would only be the system - and also what would keep devs working hard on games when they could release games that were good but nothing new in graphics or anything else and were just them slacking off and stuff - whats to stop people from buying it anyway as they have no where else to turn
now i know thats pretty extreme and out there but i said it anyway :) - anyways just saying that i was under the assumption there was no competition from the PC market when i stated my feelings
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Maybe I was wrong about one thing... this board is approaching the same level as the Xbox board. More systems and more games make for good gaming. Sorry, but a Sony "only" market wouldn\'t be good for anyone except Sony and maybe a few of you on this board :rolleyes:
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stick around giga, you dont know us yet
AND you might learn something
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actually giga
thats what everyone has been saying - that competition drives people to make better things
but we are debating that if there was one system if that drive would be affected when it comes to games
i think so and bobbo thinks not
thats all we are debating - we dont support nor want there to be one console