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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Phaze on March 08, 2002, 08:33:26 AM
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give me some reasons why ps2 is better than xbox my friend wants a xbox and i say dont what should he do give em reasons thanks
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There is no right answer to which console is better...tell him to look into the games that are available and upcoming releases for each system.
IMO, Xbox and PS2 have amazing lineups and games that are already out...so I had to get both:D
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If your friend wants an XBox let him buy it...where\'s the problem?
PS2 has a lot more games right now,while XBox is new and needs more time to get lot of titles...
Which is better? now? PS2...in one or two years?...I don\'t know...nobody knows...and however is always a matter of taste.
My friend this is the Main Forum...not the Console Debating :)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Which is better? now? PS2...
This isn\'t necessarily true...
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Originally posted by Rikku
This isn\'t necessarily true...
Don\'t get me wrong...The XBox is getting great titles,it\'s a Great Console,but PS2 has a bigger variety of games for obvious reasons right now(that\'s why I said it\'s "better" now)...
...but you\'re right...it\'s not necessarily true...because XBox will get a lot of games in the next months too...and we can\'t buy 10 games each month...
It\'s a matter of taste...
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Originally posted by BizioEE
It\'s a matter of taste... [/B]
exactly...
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Originally posted by Rikku
exactly...
The PS2 is the better console now, purely down to the fact that its has the better games, but in the future - who knows. I\'m pretty sure the PS2 will be a lot more popular though, the european XBOX launch is going to flop big time
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Originally posted by The_Rickster
The PS2 is the better console now, purely down to the fact that its has the better games, but in the future - who knows. I\'m pretty sure the PS2 will be a lot more popular though, the european XBOX launch is going to flop big time
I agree... if they dont do something about that launch price, they will have serious problems.
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imo i prefer the ps2, im not gonna go into it, but from the games i played on xbox, i wasnt that impressed.
x box has slightly better graphics, but wont improve much, ps2 are good, and will keep getting better.
i know a fw peole with a xbox, and most say the ps2 is better, some say it was a waste of money
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PS2--already comes with DVD capability.
These games already came out so why get an Xbox?
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This is the wrong forum for this topic, but since the admins will probably move it anyway...
I have both systems. The Xbox has some fantastic graphics, a built in HD (this is one of the best features about the Xbox since PS2 memory cards are in such short supply) and has 2 or 3 great games for it. I love not having to buy memory cards!
On the other hand the PS2 has a library of great games (FFX, GTA3, Devil May Cry, GT3, etc) and has the whole PS1 library that is compatible with it. Both systems have DVD playback capability and both really need the DVD remote to be effective anyway I find that topic mute.
Bottom line, the PS2 is the way to go if you are buying right now and want a HUGE list of gaming options. If you want something that "could" outperform the PS2 in a year or so then get the Xbox. Halo and Project Gotham could keep you entertained for the next few months anyway, but there are only about 4 titles I would consider buying if I didn\'t have a PS2 because most of the good titles with the exception of the two I just mentioned are available on the PS2 also.
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a built in HD (this is one of the best features about the Xbox since PS2 memory cards are in such short supply)
but its too bad no games take advantage of it
its a big-ass memory card, nothing more [a gimmick]
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Hey!
Your chimp is just a little gimmick! :eek:
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how dare you insult me!
recognize I am the dominant species and i possess a superior intellect!
now watch me shake my head in eternal disgust
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thtas alot of disgust.
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Graphical wise xbox is the better console. But it doesn\'t matter which one you get. Most of the games are ported on both consoles. PS2 has been out longer and has a better variety of games.
Tell him get whatever he wants it does not matter it just a freakin gaming machine. They both are good. Some ppl in here treat them like there gods it\'s pretty pathetic.
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Tell yer friend to get an Indrema.
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Originally posted by Clyde
how dare you insult me!
recognize I am the dominant species and i possess a superior intellect!
now watch me shake my head in eternal disgust
it could of been worse.....
JP could of calledyou a Mooooooooonnnkk
no i can bring myselfto say it :(
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The PS2 is the better console now, purely down to the fact that its has the better games, but in the future - who knows. I\'m pretty sure the PS2 will be a lot more popular though, the european XBOX launch is going to flop big time
That\'s just your opinion...who\'s to say it has better games?
x box has slightly better graphics, but wont improve much, ps2 are good, and will keep getting better.
*laughs for a bit...what makes you think this??
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That\'s just your opinion...who\'s to say it has better games?
I\'d say pretty much everyone that has experienced both systems, except perhaps you maybe. You gotta face it, because its the truth. Compare how many PS2 games have 9/10 with that of the XBOX. I dont think its just an opinion, currently, its pretty much a fact.
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Let him get his Xbox. It\'s his money, you don\'t have to try to rub off your extreme pro-PS2 mentalities on everyone around you.
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Originally posted by The_Rickster
I\'d say pretty much everyone that has experienced both systems, except perhaps you maybe. You gotta face it, because its the truth. Compare how many PS2 games have 9/10 with that of the XBOX. I dont think its just an opinion, currently, its pretty much a fact.
But do all those games appeal to sed gamer? What if Xbox\'s lineup better suits him rather than PS2\'s? If that\'s the case then the Xbox would be the better choice.
Like I said earlier...look at the games.
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Why do we bother ourselves with such superficial aspects of the gaming consoles?
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Havent we had this debate before?
:yawn:
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MM, the Xbox HD is hardly a gimmick. Yes some games do utilize it... Project Gotham for one - it is nice to listen to your own music while playing.
Secondly, it is a great "memory card". I am sick of shelling out $30 - $40 for an 8MB piece of plastic that could get lost or damaged. The real gimmick is those PS2 memory cards you seem so fond of.
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I have both systems. About 30 games for my PS2 and only 2 for my XBox, yet I still am more fond of my XBox. It just seems to have a really bright future.
Some reasons why I prefer XBox...
- The XBox Communicator. The voice modulator that this is supposed to have when it comes out sounds really cool.
- The controller. Most say it\'s too big, but I like it. The buttons seem more natural. Also, the cord is a lot longer than PS2\'s and it doesnt "crinkle" up as much as my PS2 controller cords. Also, it has a breakaway feature in case someone trips over it.
- The Hard Drive. No having to shell out $40 for each needed memory card.
- HDTV support
- Four controller slots - No having to shell out more money for a multi-tap.
- Better graphics, the possibilities of even greater future game graphics due to the hardware advantages.
I love the PS2 game library. It\'s nice having so many choices. However, XBox is starting to release over 10 games a month now as well so I dont see the library as being a big advantage in the future.
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Some reasons why I prefer the PS2 better:
- just as good graphics.
- not having to spend 30$ for a DVD "unlocking" remote
- too many games I like, including unbeatable exclusives
- a future HDD and Linux kit to program my own games which sounds really cool
:rolleyes:
damn, I\'m a real ass today. :D
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Fristly, the graphics aren\'t just as good on the PS2--you are kidding yourself Seven (again), and add better framerate to the graphics too.
Secondly, you lament the fact that you have to pay $30 bucks for a remote (for a MUCH better DVD player I might add), but you don\'t mind dropping $150 for a HD that if history repeats itself will be sparcely supported by devs?
Are you reaching a bit? Yup. A little biased agianst xbox? Yup.
Who\'s acting like an ass now?
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Fristly, the graphics aren\'t just as good on the PS2--you are kidding yourself Seven (again), and add better framerate to the graphics too.
Fristly, I am not kidding myself. I have played the Xbox enough to judge it on what I\'ve played so far and the graphics are NOT better. This is my opinion, can\'t beat that.
Secondly, you lament the fact that you have to pay $30 bucks for a remote (for a MUCH better DVD player I might add), but you don\'t mind dropping $150 for a HD that if history repeats itself will be sparcely supported by devs?
Secondly, you missed my point completely. I was being SARCASTIC - hence the ":rolleyes:" at the end of my post. Good job once again Watchdog.
The $30 dollars for the PS2 remote btw IS NOT necessary and only gives you a bit more of that "nice to have". On the Xbox however, you don\'t have a choice. The HDD Linuxkit is not that expensive if you come to think of what\'s included. And I wasn\'t on about it being supported by the devs for games, but to point out that you will have a Linux running on it and able to create (if your skill permits it) DC like games. But anyway, no need to debate about this, my post was nothing other than sarcasm anyway - just to show how "great" this guys points was - and you do a great job of ignoring his, but jumping on me for mine.
To be more precice about his post: how many games support HDTV? Harddrive just because it\'s cheaper than a memory card? boy, if moneys is all this guy is worried about, I don\'t get how he can afford 32 games, a PS2, Xbox and then ***** around money for a memorycard. Do I need to go on?
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No matter what you say seven, the Xbox HD is a feature most PS2 owners want also. Personally its the best idea any console manufacturer has come up with for this generation of consoles. Why do you think the PS2 is coming out with an HD?
As Microsoft has said before they built the console with everything so you wouldn\'t need to go out and buy it later. With the exception of the DVD remote :rolleyes:
As for the graphics, the PS2 has been out 2 years and developers have had plenty of time to tweak their games to take advantage of the hardware in the PS2. The Xbox hasn\'t even been out a year and you are already slamming it for having graphics on par with the PS2. Give it time, the first generation PS2 games weren\'t that much better than the Dreamcast games...
Going back to the memory cards... They aren\'t so bad, but for $40 a pop I could pretty much buy another game. Not to mention I haven\'t seen a PS2 card on a store shelf in quite some time. The HD allows all the saves you want and that is just the beginning...
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I\'m seeing some hostility come out of members such as Watchdog, and BizioEE...
looks like somebody has a case of the Mondays...
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Originally posted by seven
Secondly, you missed my point completely. I was being SARCASTIC - hence the ":rolleyes:" at the end of my post. Good job once again Watchdog.
The $30 dollars for the PS2 remote btw IS NOT necessary and only gives you a bit more of that "nice to have". On the Xbox however, you don\'t have a choice. The HDD Linuxkit is not that expensive if you come to think of what\'s included. And I wasn\'t on about it being supported by the devs for games, but to point out that you will have a Linux running on it and able to create (if your skill permits it) DC like games. But anyway, no need to debate about this, my post was nothing other than sarcasm anyway - just to show how "great" this guys points was - and you do a great job of ignoring his, but jumping on me for mine.
To be more precice about his post: how many games support HDTV? Harddrive just because it\'s cheaper than a memory card? boy, if moneys is all this guy is worried about, I don\'t get how he can afford 32 games, a PS2, Xbox and then ***** around money for a memorycard. Do I need to go on?
I was making points as to why I prefer the XBox. I think very good points.
The HDTV support is built into the XBox. Game developers can create games to take advantage of this. Maybe not many developers Today take advantage of this, but they will one day soon and as an HDTV owner that is rather exciting. My whole point about this was that XBox is looking ahead moreso in my opinion then PS2.
As far as the hard drive goes, not having to spend $40 on a memory card is a very nice perk. That $40 can be put towards a game or something else. Also, most PS2 owners quickly find themselves needing more then 1 PS2 memory card. XBox owners dont have this problem.
Also, you cannot say that PS2 has equivalent graphical capabilities as XBox because the hardware speaks for itself. XBox\'s GPU runs at 233mhz whereas PS2\'s runs at 147mhz. Maybe the XBox games are not presently taking complete advantage of the XBox\'s hardware, but I am sure they will soon. Afterall, XBox just came out late last year.
Also, about the Linux PS2 kit which sells for $199. What a waste of money. You do realize of course that this kit will not feature most of the PS2 development SDK? Also, you realize that you need a lot more than a development kit to develop games that will look anything like the ones you buy in a store. The "real" PS2 development SDK costs thousands of dollars.
I dont get the sarcasm or the need for it? I think my points were valid.
It\'s really the little things that count. Like this past weekend I had to spend $5 for an extension cord for my PS2 controller because it couldn\'t reach my sofa from where my PS2 is setup. With my XBox, I dont need any extension wires because the controllers already have very long cords. Sure it is only $5, but it\'s just one of many little things that has me preferring my XBox.
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Here are a couple more perks about XBox...
- XBox\'s sound card features 256 voices whereas PS2 only features 64. This means XBox\'s games can be programmed to have superior sound quality.
- XBox\'s games can be programmed to support Dolby Digital 5.1. PS2 only supports Dolby Digital 5.1 in DVD movie\'s and FMV sequences, not in gameplay. If you have a surround sound system then this is a really nice feature.
- Even after PS2\'s Hard Drive comes out, developers will be slow to create games to support it simply because it is an expensive add-on. XBox\'s hard drive is built in so XBox developers will be more willing to create games to take advantage of the hard drive because they know every XBox owner has the built in hard drive.
Like I said earlier, I have a PS2 and I love it, but the XBox has a lot going for it as well. It is really just a personal choice.
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Good points Damien except for comparing speeds of processors. The PS2 and the Xbox have completely different architecture so comparing the speeds, whether GPU or CPU is sort of like mixing apples and oranges.
Frankly I don\'t think we have seen the best the PS2 has to offer visually speaking and we definitely haven\'t seen the best the Xbox has to offer.
That being said, its great for us gamers. I like having both systems that way when I read EGM I can actually enjoy 2/3 of the reviews - GBA doesn\'t count :rolleyes:
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Fristly, I am not kidding myself. I have played the Xbox enough to judge it on what I\'ve played so far and the graphics are NOT better. This is my opinion, can\'t beat that.
I\'ve played both PS2 and DC and the graphics of PS2 are not better. This is my opinion,can\'t beat that. :rolleyes: ...:)
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Ohmigod, here we go again...
The HDTV support is built into the XBox. Game developers can create games to take advantage of this. Maybe not many developers Today take advantage of this, but they will one day soon and as an HDTV owner that is rather exciting. My whole point about this was that XBox is looking ahead moreso in my opinion then PS2.
IMHO, this HDTV support is a joke. PS2 supports it too (however no games at the time) - and up to my knowledge, DoA3 is one of the only games that really makes good use of HDTV support. What other games do you know of that take advantage of it? Just name me a few, or is it just another feature that you\'re proud of but isn\'t really there?
As far as the hard drive goes, not having to spend $40 on a memory card is a very nice perk. That $40 can be put towards a game or something else. Also, most PS2 owners quickly find themselves needing more then 1 PS2 memory card. XBox owners dont have this problem.
If this is your arguement, then I would rather buy a cheaper PS2 and use the rest of my cash towards game, rather than a system that is more expensive.
Also, you cannot say that PS2 has equivalent graphical capabilities as XBox because the hardware speaks for itself. XBox\'s GPU runs at 233mhz whereas PS2\'s runs at 147mhz. Maybe the XBox games are not presently taking complete advantage of the XBox\'s hardware, but I am sure they will soon. Afterall, XBox just came out late last year.
The fact that you try to impress me with the better numbers (that Xbox admitedly has), just shows how little you know about specs and performance. Or should I be impressed that the Pentium is clocked at 733 MHz compared to the slow and underwhelming 300 MHz of the EE? You should be ashamed of yourself. I can very well say what I want, since I have seen and played both systems. I judge the graphics on what I see on my television - not on the spec sheet like you.
Also, about the Linux PS2 kit which sells for $199. What a waste of money. You do realize of course that this kit will not feature most of the PS2 development SDK? Also, you realize that you need a lot more than a development kit to develop games that will look anything like the ones you buy in a store. The "real" PS2 development SDK costs thousands of dollars.
That\'s not true. The PS2 is a very powerful hardware and gives you a lot of freedom by being able to directly access the main hardware components. Again shows how little you really know. The Ps2 can indeed compile it\'s own code very well and has the potential to deliever Dreamcast style graphics. You should do a little more research. ;)
- XBox\'s sound card features 256 voices whereas PS2 only features 64. This means XBox\'s games can be programmed to have superior sound quality.
Wow, do you hear a difference?
- XBox\'s games can be programmed to support Dolby Digital 5.1. PS2 only supports Dolby Digital 5.1 in DVD movie\'s and FMV sequences, not in gameplay. If you have a surround sound system then this is a really nice feature.
Funny, you don\'t seem to be on track to well what news is concern. Maybe my own dolby digital receiver is bull****ing me with my 5.1 channel sound while playing (ingame) some of the latest EA games... :rolleyes: Oh wait, now how is that possible?
- Even after PS2\'s Hard Drive comes out, developers will be slow to create games to support it simply because it is an expensive add-on. XBox\'s hard drive is built in so XBox developers will be more willing to create games to take advantage of the hard drive because they know every XBox owner has the built in hard drive.
What advantages? Please tell me a few, I am really interested. ;)
I dont get the sarcasm or the need for it? I think my points were valid.
What I really find laughable about your opinion, is that you point out things that you see in the spec sheet but don\'t find it on your tv. What use are those 256 voices if you don\'t even hear a difference to those 64 of the PS2? You also try to make a point about the graphics (or the potential) by just posting spec numbers - which mean absolutely nothing btw. Seems to me, you are more excited about the great spec sheet Microsoft posted instead of the system itself - or why else would you always refer to the specifications?
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seven,you know XBox is a better piece of hardware because PS2 is a 2 year old console...so...enjoy the huge quantity and variety of games and leave this argument...
It\'s how technology works...XBox>GC>PS2>DC>N64>PSX and Saturn...overall...
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Originally posted by BizioEE
seven,you know XBox is a better piece of hardware because PS2 is a 2 year old console...so...enjoy the huge quantity and variety of games and leave this argument...
It\'s how technology works...XBox>GC>PS2>DC>N64>PSX and Saturn...overall...
That\'s not true Bizio and you know it. Prime example is indeed the PSX which launched before N64 and yet, still had its advantages. The N64\'s hardware might have supported more technigues to make graphics more clean, but the PSX was still able to outperform the N64 where perspective transformation (in other words, polygon performance) is concern. Saturn was probably better than both PSX and N64 - the developers just couldn\'t deal with it at the time. This fact just proves how much bull**** your theory really is.
Just because it\'s newer, doesn\'t mean it\'s better.
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Originally posted by seven
Ohmigod, here we go again...
What I really find laughable about your opinion, is that you point out things that you see in the spec sheet but don\'t find it on your tv. What use are those 256 voices if you don\'t even hear a difference to those 64 of the PS2? You also try to make a point about the graphics (or the potential) by just posting spec numbers - which mean absolutely nothing btw. Seems to me, you are more excited about the great spec sheet Microsoft posted instead of the system itself - or why else would you always refer to the specifications?
- Who cares if not many games AT THIS MOMENT support HDTV. The point is that it is there and if developers want to, they can take advantage of it and being an HDTV owner, the possibility of games supporting HDTV is exciting.
- The cost of the PS2 when you add in memory cards that you have already bought for it and the future HDD which you will most likely buy is more then the XBox.
- The XBox has only been out since late last year and already the graphics are on par with PS2, a system that has been out for two years. That, in my opinion, is impressive. The point of the numbers was to back my opinions up with facts. I thought that was obvious.
- As for the Linux kit. Waste your $200 on it. I dont care. But dont complain when you are unable to make anything worth 5 minutes of your game time.
- As far as sound goes. Facts are facts. 256 voices will always sound better then 64. PS2 DOES NOT support Dolby Digital 5.1 during gameplay. XBox does.
- Hard drive advantages? Do you really have to ask? How about the ability to download current rosters for your sports games? How about the ability to load your own music into games? 2 advantages of having a hard drive right there. An advantage to a built in hard drive is just what I said previously - Developers know that every XBox console owner has the hard drive and they will be more willing to program games that use it, whereas developers for PS2 will be less likely to program games to use the PS2 hard drive because it is a very costly add on, not a built in component of the actual console.
- Lastly, you can laugh at my opinions all you want. It doesn\'t really matter to me one way or the other. Its always nice to know the maturity level of those you discuss with. I point out the specs because the specs show that the XBox hardware is more limitless then the PS2\'s hardware. I doubt you could find even a PS2 engineer who would disagree with that.
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Originally posted by seven
That\'s not true Bizio and you know it. Prime example is indeed the PSX which launched before N64 and yet, still had its advantages. The N64\'s hardware might have supported more technigues to make graphics more clean, but the PSX was still able to outperform the N64 where perspective transformation (in other words, polygon performance) is concern. Saturn was probably better than both PSX and N64 - the developers just couldn\'t deal with it at the time. This fact just proves how much bull**** your theory really is.
Just because it\'s newer, doesn\'t mean it\'s better.
Nope:)
XBox>GC>PS2 overall...for example...RL for GC push 12 mpps with 5-8 textures for poly...at Launch!
If you look at both GC and XBox launch games...you notice a better quality of the images...it\'s evident...there\'s nothing to argue...these new hardwares can do better graphics...
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- Who cares if not many games AT THIS MOMENT support HDTV. The point is that it is there and if developers want to, they can take advantage of it and being an HDTV owner, the possibility of games supporting HDTV is exciting.
Oh okay, well since PS2 supports it too - can\'t wait for that feature. I mean, hell yeah lucky me! Games now don\'t support it, but well, maybe in a few years every game will have it!! :rolleyes:
I\'d rather see that performance for HDTV support go into better graphics.
- The cost of the PS2 when you add in memory cards that you have already bought for it and the future HDD which you will most likely buy is more then the XBox.
Further down in your post, you said why most people (refering to the "casual gamer") won\'t buy a HDD - so why include it in the price? As I said above, you won\'t need to buy a HDD so don\'t add it. Fact is, PS2 + memory card is less expensive than a Xbox. Plain and simple.
- The XBox has only been out since late last year and already the graphics are on par with PS2, a system that has been out for two years. That, in my opinion, is impressive. The point of the numbers was to back my opinions up with facts. I thought that was obvious.
Let me tell what I\'m impressed with. That a system that is in fact 2 years older can compete with a system that supposedly is 3 to 5x more powerful (Tecmo and Microsoft speak) and has graphics that are up to par. A system that not only is supposedly more powerful, but should also be a dream to program for since it uses DirectX and PC components which is already well known.
- As for the Linux kit. Waste your $200 on it. I dont care. But dont complain when you are unable to make anything worth 5 minutes of your game time.
I\'ll let you know. ;)
- As far as sound goes. Facts are facts. 256 voices will always sound better then 64. PS2 DOES NOT support Dolby Digital 5.1 during gameplay. XBox does.
so you are still totally unaware of the fact that there are games out for PS2 right this moment that do infact support DTS surround 5.1 during gameplay? You really are a funny one.
- Hard drive advantages? Do you really have to ask? How about the ability to download current rosters for your sports games? How about the ability to load your own music into games? 2 advantages of having a hard drive right there. An advantage to a built in hard drive is just what I said previously - Developers know that every XBox console owner has the hard drive and they will be more willing to program games that use it, whereas developers for PS2 will be less likely to program games to use the PS2 hard drive because it is a very costly add on, not a built in component of the actual console.
Well I can live with out that. I also wonder how much of those advantages really are necessary and how many people will make use of them? Downloading music? Sounds good, but I can do the same with a mixer and my hifi system -> with better quality and it\'s cheaper. I\'ll give you the updates and such for games (expandable cars etc), but I wonder how many games will utilize this. We\'ll see.
- Lastly, you can laugh at my opinions all you want. It doesn\'t really matter to me one way or the other. Its always nice to know the maturity level of those you discuss with. I point out the specs because the specs show that the XBox hardware is more limitless then the PS2\'s hardware. I doubt you could find even a PS2 engineer who would disagree with that.
As I already tried to point out: your specs prove nothing at all. Thank gods todays game developers aren\'t that stupid. Nice try though.. have any other arguements?
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Nope
XBox>GC>PS2 overall...for example...RL for GC push 12 mpps with 5-8 textures for poly...at Launch!
If you look at both GC and XBox launch games...you notice a better quality of the images...it\'s evident...there\'s nothing to argue...these new hardwares can do better graphics...
Oh and another one who seems to enjoy graphics based upon specs. I really wonder how you play your games Bizio... do you count the polygons during gameplay?
And please, if you already can\'t answer my reply - just admit defeat or give it up. I can go on for hours like this.
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Originally posted by Damien8086
- Who cares if not many games AT THIS MOMENT support HDTV. The point is that it is there and if developers want to, they can take advantage of it and being an HDTV owner, the possibility of games supporting HDTV is exciting.
- The cost of the PS2 when you add in memory cards that you have already bought for it and the future HDD which you will most likely buy is more then the XBox.
- The XBox has only been out since late last year and already the graphics are on par with PS2, a system that has been out for two years. That, in my opinion, is impressive. The point of the numbers was to back my opinions up with facts. I thought that was obvious.
- As for the Linux kit. Waste your $200 on it. I dont care. But dont complain when you are unable to make anything worth 5 minutes of your game time.
- As far as sound goes. Facts are facts. 256 voices will always sound better then 64. PS2 DOES NOT support Dolby Digital 5.1 during gameplay. XBox does.
- Hard drive advantages? Do you really have to ask? How about the ability to download current rosters for your sports games? How about the ability to load your own music into games? 2 advantages of having a hard drive right there. An advantage to a built in hard drive is just what I said previously - Developers know that every XBox console owner has the hard drive and they will be more willing to program games that use it, whereas developers for PS2 will be less likely to program games to use the PS2 hard drive because it is a very costly add on, not a built in component of the actual console.
- Lastly, you can laugh at my opinions all you want. It doesn\'t really matter to me one way or the other. Its always nice to know the maturity level of those you discuss with. I point out the specs because the specs show that the XBox hardware is more limitless then the PS2\'s hardware. I doubt you could find even a PS2 engineer who would disagree with that.
Damien8086,XBox is a superior piece of hardware and everyone knows that...don\'t waste your time with seven! He\'ll never admit it :)
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Let me tell what I\'m impressed with. That a system that is in fact 2 years older can compete with a system that supposedly is 3 to 5x more powerful (Tecmo and Microsoft speak) and has graphics that are up to par. A system that not only is supposedly more powerful, but should also be a dream to program for since it uses DirectX and PC components which is already well known.
XBox\'s quality of images is by far superior than PS2\'s one...and we\'re comparing Launch games with 2nd gen PS2 games...
...and about the 3-5x factor? Have you seen the 15x factor when it comes to DC and PS2 ?
But you\'re impressed by PS2 and not by the XBox...:rolleyes:
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XBox\'s quality of images is by far superior than PS2\'s one...and we\'re comparing Launch games with 2nd gen PS2 games...
Wow, opinion as fact again...
But you\'re impressed by PS2 and not by the XBox...
Wow, just like your impressed by the xbox and not ps2
why don\'t you provide support instead of your biased opinion
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If your playing the games, and not caring about only graphics.. like yourself
Then you would not notice the difference between the xbox and ps2 graphics, but graphics is aparently the only thing you care about BizioEE
I suggest buying a really nice PC and watching graphical demos
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Originally posted by seven
Oh and another one who seems to enjoy graphics based upon specs. I really wonder how you play your games Bizio... do you count the polygons during gameplay?
And please, if you already can\'t answer my reply - just admit defeat or give it up. I can go on for hours like this.
Are we speaking of graphics capabilities or game-play ? You\'re confusing me...(seven changing subject again...)
defeat? what are you speaking about...it\'s not a war...you\'re simply confused...go bed...it\'s better...
I was speaking about the quality of images...not game-play...oh my God... :eek:
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XBox\'s quality of images is by far superior than PS2\'s one=Fact
If your playing the games, and not caring about only graphics.. like yourself
Then you would not notice the difference between the xbox and ps2 graphics, but graphics is aparently the only thing you care about BizioEE
I suggest buying a really nice PC and watching graphical demos
I\'m a console gamer,not a PC demos watcher...what\'s your point fool ? :)
Chrono,your pointless...and even a little retard...you can\'t debate with me...
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...and about the 3-5x factor? Have you seen the 15x factor when it comes to DC and PS2 ?
Funny how you like to refer to that 15x number between the DC and PS2. I wonder where you get this stuff? But why don\'t back up your arguements for a change and prove it?
Give me a press release where Sony sais that the PS2 is 15x more powerfull? I really am curious. Unless you can back this up, don\'t use this bull**** as an arguement again.
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Are we speaking of graphics capabilities or game-play ? You\'re confusing me...(seven changing subject again...)
defeat? what are you speaking about...it\'s not a war...you\'re simply confused...go bed...it\'s better...
I was speaking about the quality of images...not game-play...oh my God...
My god - not once have I criticized someone’s grammar or language difficulties - but Bizio, I really suggest that you get a better translator or what ever you use. Your english is horrible.
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Originally posted by seven
Funny how you like to refer to that 15x number between the DC and PS2. I wonder where you get this stuff? But why don\'t back up your arguements for a change and prove it?
Give me a press release where Sony sais that the PS2 is 15x more powerfull? I really am curious. Unless you can back this up, don\'t use this bull**** as an arguement again.
Toy Story Graphics ----->50x and then 15x...I\'ll find the Link!:)
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Originally posted by seven
My god - not once have I criticized someone’s grammar or language difficulties - but Bizio, I really suggest that you get a better translator or what ever you use. Your english is horrible.
You know I\'m italian...and however my english is not horrible...I\'m an italian stallion and I\'m better in other things:D
seven changes subject again...poor fool...
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no I\'m not blaming you - but it gets very hard if you don\'t understand half of the stuff I post and then reply something completely irrelevant. It just ain\'t fun anymore. And I\'m not changing the subject (I\'d rather say you are the one here) - I\'m still waiting for that promised link of yours... where is it?
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Originally posted by seven
no I\'m not blaming you - but it gets very hard if you don\'t understand half of the stuff I post and then reply something completely irrelevant. It just ain\'t fun anymore. And I\'m not changing the subject (I\'d rather say you are the one here) - I\'m still waiting for that promised link of yours... where is it?
:laughing: ...it\'s 00.30...I wanna sleep...tomorrow seven...or the day after...bye...good night.
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XBox\'s quality of images is by far superior than PS2\'s one=Fact
ROFL! that\'s a opinion! are you that stupid?
Chrono,your pointless...and even a little retard...you can\'t debate with me...
Of course I can\'t, your opinions are fact!
Toy Story Graphics ----->50x and then 15x...I\'ll find the Link!
then you say
...it\'s 00.30...I wanna sleep...tomorrow seven...or the day after...bye...good night.
I guess you can\'t find the link.. so you leave
ROFL, you really should quit before you make an ass outta yourself..
wait, you already did!
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"I guess you can\'t find the link.. so you leave"
Hmmm, it\'s always difficult to find links and articles after years have past, however after a few minutes of searching, here are few which represent the opinions of the time;
http://www.coremagazine.com/news/936.php3
"Speaking about the power and polygon performance of the PlayStation2 as compared to the Dreamcast, Okamoto-san stated that the PS2 is capable of approximately 15X the power of the Dreamcast..."
A view shared by many developers at the time after Sony\'s PS2 announcement.
Equally, Sony did make references to Toy Story graphics when they first revealed the PS2 in March 1999, such that MANY websites reported their claim at the time;
http://psx.ign.com/articles/067/067113p1.html
"The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported early Monday morning that the new PlayStation which confirms many of the most recent fervent rumors and all of our sources will produce movie-like cinematics comparable to the image quality seen in Pixar\'s Toy Story..."
And regarding the DC they go on to report ... "The PlayStation 2\'s new microprocessor will enable games to render nearly 50 times more 3D image data than Dreamcast, a serious leap over Sega\'s much-vaunted console, which processes 3 million polygons with all effects in use."
Hmmm... There\'s also;
http://www.webreview.com/1999/05_07/strategists/05_07_99_1.shtml
"In plainer English, Sony boasts that the Playstation II will be capable of rendering "Toy Story"-quality 3D graphics in real time, while simultaneously playing DVD video and digital surround-sound."
And
http://www.dvdfuture.com/features/playstation2_old.php3
"To give an idea of the graphical prowess of their new system, Sony claims it is capable of rendering the movie "Toy Story" in real time."
More opinions/beliefs following Sony\'s anouncement;
http://www.coremagazine.com/news/1399.php3
"Aizawa: I think the PlayStation2 looks great.
Yamamoto: Perhaps, but the software so far doesn\'t.
Aizawa: Well, I think it has potential. It will be capable of doing
games that look like the movie \'Toy Story\' in real-time.
Yamamoto: I agree, the hardware is impressive. But quality
software isn\'t dependent upon graphics..."
But my favourate has always been Sony\'s comment of;
http://www.scee.com/hardware/ps2console.jhtml
"Imagine walking into a movie and taking part in real-time...this is the world you are about to enter."
Hmmm, somehow I don\'t think so! The PS2 is good, but not THAT good! ;)
Anyway, enough from me, I haven\'t been here for a few months and was just passing (=curiousity). :)
Bye!
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Chrono,I\'ve just said that,you are "a little retard"(no offense),always pointless and you can\'t debate with me...
by Bizzio
...it\'s 00.30...I wanna sleep...tomorrow seven...or the day after...bye...good night.
as Dr Yassam said :"Hmmm, it\'s always difficult to find links and articles after years have past"...and however he did it for me and proved I\'m right! ...and I\'d have found the link as promised to seven...but later...
seven,where are you? I remembered very well the Toy Story and the "50x" crap...but I posted only one of the bull**** of Sony(15x about power and polygon performance ) and you said I had to back this up...when you poor fool did remember very well all this but for some odd reasons you seem to not remember it...
In plainer English, Sony boasts that the Playstation II will be capable of rendering "Toy Story"-quality 3D graphics in real time, while simultaneously playing DVD video and digital surround-sound.
Really? :p
Dr Yassam,how are you? :) I hope fine!
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by seven
Funny how you like to refer to that 15x number between the DC and PS2. I wonder where you get this stuff? But why don\'t back up your arguements for a change and prove it?
Give me a press release where Sony sais that the PS2 is 15x more powerfull? I really am curious. Unless you can back this up, don\'t use this bull**** as an arguement again.
Again,Bizzio is right...
by Bizzio
Toy Story Graphics ----->50x and then 15x...I\'ll find the Link!
"Speaking about the power and polygon performance of the PlayStation2 as compared to the Dreamcast, Okamoto-san stated that the PS2 is capable of approximately 15X the power of the Dreamcast..."
"And regarding the DC they go on to report ... "The PlayStation 2\'s new microprocessor will enable games to render nearly 50 times more 3D image data than Dreamcast, a serious leap over Sega\'s much-vaunted console, which processes 3 million polygons with all effects in use."
"To give an idea of the graphical prowess of their new system, Sony claims it is capable of rendering the movie "Toy Story" in real time."
Bizzio is always right...me do not need any links...:p! I remember everything!
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First I\'d like to thank DrYassam for getting those links. Personally, I never heard these statements and comparasments here in Europe (and I get the official pressstatements from Sony).
Well, Bizio I hope you\'re reading this, because this 15x number as I already suspected is specifically ment for polygon-performance. I think the messured specs speak for themselves. And of course it is up to the developers to squeeze this performance out. We will see if the PS2 will ever reach this performance. But as to your arguement "newer hardware == better hardare" - I compared them for PSX vs N64 vs Saturn and I think as we can all judge PSX is at least up to par with the newer hardware of the N64 (overall). I think heaps of people will also agree that Saturn had the most potential but was just plain too hard for developers. This proves that newer hardware IS NOT necesserally better.
Now, I won\'t go asfar to say that PS2 indeed looks X times better than DC - but simply that it does look better. There is a difference and most noticable one too. Hovewer when I look at Xbox, a console that is also said to be noticably better and heaps easier to program for and two years newer too, I would expect to see a difference. But there isn\'t. That was my point further up.
"The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported early Monday morning that the new PlayStation which confirms many of the most recent fervent rumors and all of our sources will produce movie-like cinematics comparable to the image quality seen in Pixar\'s Toy Story..."
"Imagine walking into a movie and taking part in real-time...this is the world you are about to enter."
It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days.
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Now, I won\'t go asfar to say that PS2 indeed looks X times better than DC - but simply that it does look better. There is a difference and most noticable one too. Hovewer when I look at Xbox, a console that is also said to be noticably better and heaps easier to program for and two years newer too, I would expect to see a difference. But there isn\'t. That was my point further up.
Right.. Its impossible to say if a game looks "3x" better than another.. Its like saying my girlfriend looks 5x better than yours..
You get the idea.
It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days. [/B]
Exacly..
PS2 is all I hoped for and more. :)
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It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days.
I have a different opinion...J&D and MGS2 are far from being near to what Sony promised!
J&D is a good platformer...but nothing special for me...it\'s Mario64 with "Crash style" and bigger environments...it\'s like playing an interactive disney cartoon? No! Where are the advanced interactions?
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Right.. Its impossible to say if a game looks "3x" better than another.. Its like saying my girlfriend looks 5x better than yours..
You get the idea.
I said that weeks ago(always thought) and I\'m glad you\'ve realized that now...
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It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days. [/B]
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Exacly..
PS2 is all I hoped for and more.
It\'s a matter of expectations...we should only try to respect other opinions...
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I have a different opinion...J&D and MGS2 are far from being near to what Sony promised!
J&D is a good platformer...but nothing special for me...it\'s Mario64 with "Crash style" and bigger environments...it\'s like playing an interactive disney cartoon? No! Where are the advanced interactions?
My mistake - I was just judging J&D on its graphical capabilities and that it looks like a playable disney cartoon. And MGS2 is far more than awesome - have you even played it (or completed it)? I do find it funny though, how you have to bring up gameplay in a graphics debate...
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I said that weeks ago(always thought) and I\'m glad you\'ve realized that now...
Actually, as I said above - even if PS2 isn\'t 15x more powerful, it does have better graphics and graphics that I haven\'t seen on DC and probably never will. A console however that is said to be 3 to 5 times more powerful by not only Microsoft but from a developer (tecmo), I sure would hope to see a difference. Can you explain to me why I can\'t see any?
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Originally posted by seven
My mistake - I was just judging J&D on its graphical capabilities and that it looks like a playable disney cartoon. And MGS2 is far more than awesome - have you even played it (or completed it)? I do find it funny though, how you have to bring up gameplay in a graphics debate...
nope nope seven,you don\'t understand me...graphics,physics,animations,AI,collision-system are linked together...and what I want is an experience as you really feel into a disney cartoon,for example...I don\'t want to look at something which looks like a playable CG intro(and J&D does not look as good),but I wanna play and feel like in a Movie(as Sony promised)...it\'s my only point...
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Originally posted by seven
Actually, as I said above - even if PS2 isn\'t 15x more powerful, it does have better graphics and graphics that I haven\'t seen on DC and probably never will. A console however that is said to be 3 to 5 times more powerful by not only Microsoft but from a developer (tecmo), I sure would hope to see a difference. Can you explain to me why I can\'t see any?
(...I said you can\'t quantify how much consoleX is more powerful than consoleY judging and comparing games...)
and I see differences between the 2 consoles...
(even if I\'m still waiting for the X doesn\'t mean I didn\'t see Halo,DOA3 and Rallisport in action:) )
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Originally posted by BizioEE
nope nope seven,you don\'t understand me...graphics,physics,animations,AI,collision-system are linked together...and what I want in an experience as you really feel into a disney cartoon,for example...I don\'t want to look at something which looks like a playable CG intro(and J&D does not look as good),but I wanna play and feel like in a Movie(as Sony promised)...it\'s my only point...
I dont think any console this generation can make a "playable movie"
GScube 16 (16 paralleled connected EE\'s, 16 paralleled connected GS’s.. Sony has made GScube 64 aswell. (64 EE’s and 64 GS’s)) could make The Matrix type graphics at 60fps...
But thats a million dollar piece of hardware (almost)
Nap.. You\'ll have to do what’s on offer this generation..
MGS2 is like a playable PSX FMV IMO.. Very nice.
Completed it yet Bizio?
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I don\'t want to look at something which looks like a playable CG intro(and J&D does not look as good),but I wanna play and feel like in a Movie(as Sony promised)...it\'s my only point...
I suppose you haven\'t played MGS2 then...
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Originally posted by seven
I suppose you haven\'t played MGS2 then...
I\'ve finished 5,6 times the demo...and I\'ve dicided to get MGS2...
...it\'s cool...but not even half of what I was waiting for...
...how the hell can I judge a game from the first level? It\'s enough for me to understand a lot of things:)
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complete the game first - I think you\'ll see the PS2 from a different point then, and maybe even respect it a bit more.
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Sure I\'ll do it...
...seven,don\'t get me wrong...maybe I get a little bitter...but only when I see a common mindless "hate" against the XBox...and it\'s not good for this forum...
I\'ll appreciate PS2 for the games coming out and I\'ll stop to complain about the lack of innovation I was waiting for...
and please notice that only the "trolling" behaviour of some members and the total lack of intelligent and unbiased debate force me to be a little bitter!
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Sure I\'ll do it...
...seven,don\'t get me wrong...maybe I get a little bitter...but only when I see a common mindless "hate" against the XBox...and it\'s not good for this forum...
See the logo on top of the page? Apart from Big Log.. It says.. Hold on to something.. it says.. *clears eyes* :eek: PlayStation 2 Central.
You want Xbox ass lickin.. Please go to TXB..
I\'ll appreciate PS2 for the games coming out and I\'ll stop to complain about the lack of innovation I was waiting for...
Does not seem like you appreciate the PS2 for the games it has.. Infact you slam it every chance you get..
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Originally posted by seven
Oh okay, well since PS2 supports it too - can\'t wait for that feature. I mean, hell yeah lucky me! Games now don\'t support it, but well, maybe in a few years every game will have it!!
I\'d rather see that performance for HDTV support go into better graphics.
I believe Halo does make some use of the HDTV support. Also, your statement, "I\'d rather see that performance for HDTV support go into better graphics" is rather dumb considering games that take advantage of the HDTV support will graphically look better.
Originally posted by seven
Further down in your post, you said why most people (refering to the "casual gamer") won\'t buy a HDD - so why include it in the price? As I said above, you won\'t need to buy a HDD so don\'t add it. Fact is, PS2 + memory card is less expensive than a Xbox. Plain and simple.
I don\'t know what you paid for your PS2. But mine cost $300 and my XBox also cost $300. Yet my XBox came with a hard drive. So I dont quite understand your price arguments.
Originally posted by seven
Let me tell what I\'m impressed with. That a system that is in fact 2 years older can compete with a system that supposedly is 3 to 5x more powerful (Tecmo and Microsoft speak) and has graphics that are up to par. A system that not only is supposedly more powerful, but should also be a dream to program for since it uses DirectX and PC components which is already well known.
You can make an argument either way. I think it\'s rather impressive that the 1st generation XBox games are on par with the 2nd generation PS2 games.
Originally posted by seven
so you are still totally unaware of the fact that there are games out for PS2 right this moment that do infact support DTS surround 5.1 during gameplay? You really are a funny one.
First off, just because you can hook up your DD receiver to your PS2, it doesn\'t mean that the PS2 takes advantage of the DD receiver\'s capabilities. Here is a quote from an XBox release statement "The PS2 proudly trumpets the fact that it supports Dolby Digital 5.1 sound, but what it doesn\'t say is that it only supports it during DVD movies and FMV sequences - not during gameplay. Nor does the GameCube support Dolby Digital 5.1 in gameplay."
Originally posted by seven
Well I can live with out that. I also wonder how much of those advantages really are necessary and how many people will make use of them? Downloading music? Sounds good, but I can do the same with a mixer and my hifi system -> with better quality and it\'s cheaper. I\'ll give you the updates and such for games (expandable cars etc), but I wonder how many games will utilize this. We\'ll see.
I didn\'t say anything about downloading music. I said you can load your music into the games. This proves to be very neat. For instance, you can load music from your CDs into a game like Project Gotham Racing and listen to that music while driving in the game. Just one small example of a HD advantage. I am sure we can all live without it. My point wasn\'t to say that you cannot live without it. My point was to name a HD advantage. I take it you once again missed that.
Originally posted by seven
As I already tried to point out: your specs prove nothing at all. Thank gods todays game developers aren\'t that stupid. Nice try though.. have any other arguements?
First off, they aren\'t my specs. They are the consoles specs. The specs show the limits of the system. Knowledgeable developers can push a system to it\'s limits. My point is that the XBox leaves room for a little bit more pushing.
I am growing tired of this argument. You\'re obviously a hard nosed PS2 lover. I like both systems. I prefer my XBox. The whole point of every post I have made under this thread was to say why I prefer my XBox. You seem to have taken my preference for whatever reason personally. And that, my friend, is sad.
1-800-GET-HELP
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Originally posted by fastson
See the logo on top of the page? Apart from Big Log.. It says.. Hold on to something.. it says.. *clears eyes* :eek: PlayStation 2 Central.
You want Xbox ass lickin.. Please go to TXB..
I\'ll appreciate PS2 for the games coming out and I\'ll stop to complain about the lack of innovation I was waiting for...
Does not seem like you appreciate the PS2 for the games it has.. Infact you slam it every chance you get..
PSX2CENTRAL does not mean CENTRALofPS2fanboys&trolls...is it clear?
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I believe Halo does make some use of the HDTV support. Also, your statement, "I\'d rather see that performance for HDTV support go into better graphics" is rather dumb considering games that take advantage of the HDTV support will graphically look better.
LOL. Do you even knot what HDTV is? Let me explain what it is:
HDTV stands for High Definition Television. HDTV enhances the quality of the picture on your screen and the quality of the sound. In the future HDTV will allow the connectivity of computers and televisions. Some of the features of HDTV are:
- Higher picture sharpness
- Larger picture
- More colors
- Wider picture
- Multi-channel digital cd quality sound
Under the proposed HDTV standard pictures will have 6 times the resolution of current TV and it will be a full 60 frames per second temporal resolution which is twice the current NTSC images. Motion will be seen smooth and the picture will be clear enough to sit very close to a very large screen. The picture will be displayed in a panoramic 16:9 horizontal-to-vertical aspect ratio to be more like movies and add the feeling of realism to TV.
This does not equal better graphics. Better picture quality and higher resolution yes, but that does not equal better graphics. Adding a higher resolution will result in more performance being used - and as PC games prove: better resolution does not mean better graphics.
1-800-GET-HELP
I don\'t know what you paid for your PS2. But mine cost $300 and my XBox also cost $300. Yet my XBox came with a hard drive. So I dont quite understand your price arguments.
If you look at how this thread started, it\'s about a guy who\'s friend want to buy an Xbox today. Not in the past, not yesterday - presence. Right now, PS2 is less expensive than an Xbox.
1-800-GET-HELP
First off, just because you can hook up your DD receiver to your PS2, it doesn\'t mean that the PS2 takes advantage of the DD receiver\'s capabilities. Here is a quote from an XBox release statement "The PS2 proudly trumpets the fact that it supports Dolby Digital 5.1 sound, but what it doesn\'t say is that it only supports it during DVD movies and FMV sequences - not during gameplay. Nor does the GameCube support Dolby Digital 5.1 in gameplay."
Boy you\'re going to be kicking yourself after this one. Latest games from EA do support DTS during GAMEPLAY. Here\'s a quote out of the IGN review:
All in all, the game\'s audio is quite commendable and unless you\'re turned off by the overly comical color commentary or arcade sound effects, you\'re going to love what you hear. And if you have yourself a stereo receiver that supports DTS 5.1 surround sound and an optical cable to connect your PlayStation 2 to it, you\'re going to get even more out of it as NHL 2002 is the first game that supports this audio format. The surround sound won\'t jump out at you, but you\'ll actually be able to tell if a defenseman is approaching you if you listen carefully and it does make a little bit of a difference in this regard. The biggest thing you\'ll notice, though, is that the sound when using DTS is a lot fuller, is more crisp and clear, and simply sounds a lot better.
And mind you, GameCube could do DTS too - it just fails since it doesn\'t have a digital output. Got to laugh about the release statement about the PS2\'s DD capabilities though and I feel sorry for the people who even believe it.
1-800-GET-HELP-NOW!
First off, they aren\'t my specs. They are the consoles specs. The specs show the limits of the system. Knowledgeable developers can push a system to it\'s limits. My point is that the XBox leaves room for a little bit more pushing.
Okay, based upon what specs? I would like to see your reasoning behind those specs. Tell me, based upon the specs, what is the limit of the PS2 and the Xbox?
You seem to have taken my preference for whatever reason personally. And that, my friend, is sad.
I respect your opinion for liking the Xbox better - I just find your reasoning behind it to be laughable. You point out things that even PS2 supports. Your reasoning should be the games, the rest is just a gimmick, which sadly a lot of people fall for.
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HAH! he said GIMMICKS!
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err... mmh... might have been the wrong word. hehe... :nerd:
who\'s Bob Hope anyway?
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xbox is running a risk just like ps 2 of becomming vapor ware no killer titles available the system is a killer piece of hard ware but its like having a benz but no gas in it prettybut doesnt do you any good the xbox needs to kick there software in to in high gear to compete with ps 2 software and user base i own a ps 2 and love it had a x box sold it why because no games i really liked on it
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Originally posted by rage_42
xbox is running a risk just like ps 2 of becomming vapor ware no killer titles available the system is a killer piece of hard ware but its like having a benz but no gas in it prettybut doesnt do you any good the xbox needs to kick there software in to in high gear to compete with ps 2 software and user base i own a ps 2 and love it had a x box sold it why because no games i really liked on it
I disagree... Although my scales tip towards Sony... Remember that the X-box has been only around for some months and it took the PS2 to get a good-quality game, over a year. Time....
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I think this is entirely based upon personal preference I guess. I enjoyed most games from launch games up until Resident Evil, then GT3, GTA3... all in less than a year. Besides, PS2 had a reputation and backwards compatibility. I don\'t think Xbox can afford to be without good games at the moment - afterall the competiton is too high (competition PS2 didn\'t have at the time).