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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Kituka on March 08, 2002, 12:42:24 PM
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http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=2747
Well, more and more developers is a great thing for the GC and GBA. But Square? HOT DAMN!!!!!
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I have an odd feeling that nintendo fans are once again jumping to conclusions.. but, that happens every time does it not?
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Source: Nihon Keizai Shimbun
Link: http://nni.nikkei.co.jp
look at the link nni.?
and if square do develop games for nintendo so what i cant stand the final fastasy series
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http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2853838,00.html
According to the Saturday edition of the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, Square and Nintendo have reached an agreement that will bring Final Fantasy games to the GameCube and Game Boy Advance platforms. Under the agreement, Nintendo president Hiroshi Yamauchi will allocate money from Fund Q--a fund Yamauchi set up in January to help encourage software development--to a new Square-affiliated development house. In return, Square will establish the new development house with help from Akitoshi Kawazu, a director from the Final Fantasy development team, by the end of this month.
The Square affiliate is expected to release games for both the GameCube and Game Boy Advance before the end of the year. Square properties other than Final Fantasy were not mentioned in the report.
Uhh.. what exactly does Square-Affiliated mean?
seems to me this is just a method for square to port FF4, FF5, and FF6 to the GBA
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Yep, I figured you\'d look at the possible down-side here.
Oh well, that figures.. this is the Sony forums.
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At least in some capacity. Probably ports, but it\'s on all the sites apparently.
Gamespot article here (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2853838,00.html)
Seems the Nintendo fans can finally like Square again. :)[
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That\'s always nice, any chance of exclusives?
**Hint Hint** Mario RPG 2 **Hint Hint**
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Here we go again.. How many times have a site "confirmed" Square for Nintendo now again?
:rolleyes:
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Apparently Nintendo has confirmed the news, according to IGN anyway.
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Ah right åån!
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good for nintendo
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Doesn\'t really matter
Sony owns allot of square so they have lots to sya what square does and what it doens\'t
I assume a Mario RGP 2 aswell, at leats I hope so since its one of the best games ever
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I was getting a GC this summer anyway, but this just gives me more reason to. I hope they get more than ports though, that would kind of suck.
I am having fun watching all the rabid nintendites making hypocrites of themselves proclaiming Square wonderful again when they\'ve "sucked" the whole time with Sony, hehe.
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I have a feeling people are getting overly excited about this.. like everytime a little bit of news like this comes out... Like always it has been overblown by the media.. Square will soon make an offical statement.. watch it be next to nothing
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Originally posted by Blade
Yep, I figured you\'d look at the possible down-side here.
Oh well, that figures.. this is the Sony forums.
Hey you got to criticise everything.. Right? ;)
Especially big news like these.
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Tactics by Sony?
Sony want to kill of MS?
Sony lets Square release some old ports, plus maybe FFXI (Sony makes money of it anyways, remember that 20% thingy?) so people will go for GC instead of Xbox for Online games..
PS2 main threat on the Onlinemarket is the Xbox.
Just a thought.
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Boy, I bet the Xbox fanboys are PISSED about this one. :D Oh wait.. nevermind.. let\'s wait until E3! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Boy, I bet the Xbox fanboys are PISSED about this one. :D Oh wait.. nevermind.. let\'s wait until E3! :rolleyes:
:evilhappysmiley:
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Hehe, yeah. It just happens that we only criticize Nintendo and Microsoft around here. No problem. ;)
Anyways.. as long as Square brings some RPG\'s (or strategy games ala FF Tactics) to GCN, I\'m happy.
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Let\'s see, we have the Sony online conference call, followed by this information about Square on Nintendo. Now, given the amount of stock Sony owns in Square they obviously knew about this move (if not outright encouraged it). Sony seems to be trying to give the Xbox a big punch into an early grave, particularly in Japan where this news could have the most affect. Mainly because Nintendo doesn\'t have the same online "in the living room" plans that Sony and M$ are touting.
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Originally posted by teiresias
Let\'s see, we have the Sony online conference call, followed by this information about Square on Nintendo. Now, given the amount of stock Sony owns in Square they obviously knew about this move (if not outright encouraged it). Sony seems to be trying to give the Xbox a big punch into an early grave, particularly in Japan where this news could have the most affect. Mainly because Nintendo doesn\'t have the same online "in the living room" plans that Sony and M$ are touting.
Thats what I think.
Hey you stole my theory.. Give it back :p ;)
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Funny. Xbox fanboys are, at least first, happy about this news. Somehow a blow to Sony (even though Sony does own 20% of the stock and would have known about this move [not to mention profit from it]) which is slightly understandable if you are one of those fanboys who believe that exclusitivity determines systems success. Now that they are coming around to the fact that this doesn\'t mean that Square is going to the Xbox, and this could hurt the Xbox sales in Japan...then they will be pissed. Right now, they haven\'t seen that fact yet. ;)
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Here is what I think is going on.. yes, it may sound a little bias (I do like nintendo, do remember that)
The game that will be on the GBA/NGC is susposedly Final Fantasy Unlimted (based on the cartoon series)
1.) Its by one of my unfavorite directors- Akitoshi Kawazu, who worked on Legend of Mana and SaGa for Square. I think most people would agree that both series.. especially Legend of Mana (not secret of mana) was horrible!
2.) The team itself making it is not even square.. only the director is from square
3.) Square wanted to released old FF\'s on GBA, but needed an exclusive title (suposedly)
4.) Square sacrificed their crappiest directer to make the exclusive game (not really a sacrifice :) )... which actually won\'t cost them anything beacuse nintendo is PAYING for it with their fund
5.) Square wins, Sony wins (beacuse sony owns 20% of square)
Square AND Sony use nintendo and nintendo can\'t do a thing about it cause they need to do something to get people to go to the console.. cause things are not looking good for it right now
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Hehe! Sony gets some money out of this too! I mean, they own 20% of Square! :D And it\'s not like GC is gonna be any threat to PS2!
Hell...it\'s a win win situation. :)
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If this jumps the Nintendo userbase up another 4 million, more power to them (but we all know that the GBA will boost another 20 million thanks to this news alone). 4 million more users for the GCN, just another 15 million to go and they\'ll be at where Sony is now. :)
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Actually, they\'ve been working on this game for awhile now.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/355/355187p1.html
Heh....oh well. :D
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Chrono: Actually, the GCN and Nintendo are flying high.. there\'s plenty of good stuff happening this year for them.
Square\'s announcement was really just icing on the cake..
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Chrono\'s theory makes the most sense, but i think waiting for an official announcment from Square
Hehe, yeah. It just happens that we only criticize Nintendo and Microsoft around here. No problem.
that\'s cos there is nothing to critisize about Sony ;):p
watch us jump all over similar news if something like this was to happen to Sony.. difference is, it wouldnt be as much as a \'difference maker\' in Sony\'s overall position of the console war and would be of less interest.. hence, we dont critisize it quite so much :)
if that makes sense :D
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I\'ve never enjoyed a Square game, and I own all three systems. All this news does is impact an industry full of money-hungry corporations. Do I have any reason to care?
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I want some classic SNES RPGS RELIVED!!!!
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Boy, I bet the Xbox fanboys are PISSED about this one. :D Oh wait.. nevermind.. let\'s wait until E3! :rolleyes:
I\'m happy for Gamecube. They need this to happen for them now. Great NEWS!!1 :p
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2 WORDS
Gameboy Advance
thats what i think they are working on, its common sence after all its the second biggest Userbase out there.......
well after the PS2 of course :D
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This move is mainly for Sqaure can take all their RPG\'s and throw them on the GBA. Personally, I can\'t stand Square, but either way it is good news to Nintendo.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Personally, I can\'t stand Square, but either way it is good news to Nintendo.
little boy.. you best be takin\' that back.. or your in for some good ol\' fashion male bonding... (and i dont mean the fun, Tom Arnold way.. nooo no, i mean the bad, John Goodman way)
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Firstly, Ryu when you put it that way it makes it sound like they could sell 20 million more in like a week. "Then just bang out a quick 15 mill and we can all go home." :)
Originally posted by teiresias
Seems the Nintendo fans can finally like Square again. :)
Haha, that\'s pretty funny.
[typical N-fan]Shut up, I\'ve.... I\'ve always liked Square... Just like I\'ve always loved the Sonic series and Crash Bandicoot... It just so happens that these are all on Nintendo systems now, but... I\'ve always loved them. What?[/typical N-fan]
Seriously though, this is some of the nicest news since we found out that kick-ass GTA3 was coming to Gamecube.
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Wait that was a false rumor? Good, GTA3 sucks anyway! ;]
-Eik
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Square rest on top of the best developers out there.
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So the story is Yamauchi said "I\'m making a fund with millions of my own dollars and giving it to a growing developer *wink* *wink*"
Square went "Dammit, we want FFXI on your console, too, but this Sony thing is tough.
So Square made an "affiliate" and accepted a "fund" and agreed to make GBA/GCN (linked) games.
So now everyone\'s sleeping together and it\'s time to wait for the first games to roll out.
Guy at PGC offered the idea that delaying the GCN modem until FFXI was the plan for a while. True or not, I think launching it with that is a fine idea, but especialy so if Sega has PSO ready to roll shortly after. Follow up a month or two later with a Nintendo-made online game like Mario Kart and Nintendo might well get that modem into a lot of homes.
Same PGC guy also said that if that doesn\'t work out, they could then just blame it on FFXI. :) I like that idea the most.
-Eik
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What it all comes down to...another developer for GC. It\'s good news...
I\'m still trying to figure out why Xbox got brought into this thread?
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Firstly, Ryu when you put it that way it makes it sound like they could sell 20 million more in like a week. "Then just bang out a quick 15 mill and we can all go home."
That was my point. THeir humongous amount of sales needed to catch up to sony won\'t happen with just one game. If they haven\'t happened yet, it probably won\'t happen at all. In terms of their being a console war, Nintendo is too far behind to catch up to Sony and I fully believe Sony knows exactly that. However, because they know exactly that, they can dish out Square like the little whore they are to whoever will profit the stockholders (sony) the most. We all know Square on GBA = 5-6 million units sold EASILY and square knows that and sony knows that and both will soon be rolling in the money.
Heh, Sony is the stockholder pimps of one of the most profitable whores in the business and they are going to give it to a competitor that will pay them more money then any other console ever could. It\'s a beautiful world we live in.
What it all comes down to...another developer for GC. It\'s good news...
I\'m still trying to figure out why Xbox got brought into this thread?
That\'s an easy question to answer.
Microsoft fanboys talked more about Squaresoft being on their system than any other developer. They said "it makes perfect sense" and as far as I can see, to Sony and Squaresoft, no, it does not. It\'s just hilarious that the typical N-fans who have learned to despise Square over the past 6 years or so are now on their way back on track to loving them once again and they didn\'t need to go into forums demanding that Squaresoft develop for Nintendo much like the Microsoft camp. It just got handed over and that\'s just beautiful.
Guy at PGC offered the idea that delaying the GCN modem until FFXI was the plan for a while. True or not, I think launching it with that is a fine idea, but especialy so if Sega has PSO ready to roll shortly after. Follow up a month or two later with a Nintendo-made online game like Mario Kart and Nintendo might well get that modem into a lot of homes.
Interesting, but Nintendo will also need to announce some type of high storage device for the Gamecube. FFXI does require it afterall and we\'ll see how that goes, but it seems add-ons are going to be a very TYPICAL thing this generation.
One other thing, with Squaresoft and Capcom announcing all these changes towards Nintendo and all these new games (and old ones as well), it\'s a wonder if Nintendo had just made a cd-based N64 system that they just might have beaten Sony last generation. It\'s interesting to think about really.
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Microsoft fanboys talked more about Squaresoft being on their system than any other developer. They said "it makes perfect sense" and as far as I can see, to Sony and Squaresoft, no, it does not. It\'s just hilarious that the typical N-fans who have learned to despise Square over the past 6 years or so are now on their way back on track to loving them once again and they didn\'t need to go into forums demanding that Squaresoft develop for Nintendo much like the Microsoft camp. It just got handed over and that\'s just beautiful.
So it was just an attack on Xbox, as it has no relevance to the posted news.
This forum is somewhat disappointing...
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It\'s nice to that you\'ve become a critic after a mere 35 posts. You asked for a reason, I gave you the answer, nothing more.
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I wouldn\'t criticize without reason...
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A lot of you guys are overestimating how much influence Sony has over Squaresoft. A 20% shareholder rarely, if ever, influences a company\'s decisions as much as a majority shareholder would. They can give input but they don\'t determine policies and practices.
I think this announcement bodes well for Nintendo. They already have the best selling "system" out in the GBA which, last time I checked, has sold almost 15 million more units than the PS2. (Sony was around 20 mill and GBA was around 35 mill ~Several months ago) Anyone that knows marketing knows that Nintendo has a significant chance to greatly increase their market share. Square and Enix make the most popular RPGs in Japan. If Nintendo is able to market the connection between a GBA Final Fantasy and a GCN Final Fantasy, every customer that buys the GBA version is a potential buyer of the GCN version, and we all know how well FF games tend to do.
BTW, I don\'t want anyone to get me wrong. I am not saying that this announcement is going to allow Nintendo to knock Sony off their high-horse just that it gives them an opportunity to be a much better competitor.
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Ryu: Haha, if the N64 was CD-based.. this would probably be a Nintendo forum and the PSX would be but a memory.
Of course, that didn\'t happen.. and I\'m glad.
Nintendo has stated that Mario 64 and Zelda 64 wouldn\'t have been possible on CD\'s back then..
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Rikku, it wasnt so much the fact that we brought up the XBox, as more it was a referrence to XBox fanboys.
You\'ll find at most forums you visit some information and general chat between friends and aquaintences that are unrelated to the topic tends to pop up. Disappointed? what boards aren\'t you disappointed with.
What did you expect us to say in this topic "Well done Nintendo, this is good news" for about 50 replies? If the console \'debates\' were like this, then i wouldnt visit this part of theforum, it would be boring. Fact is, this is a section for debates about the consoles, the topic is about a developer which XBox fanboys have wanted, and said they were getting for some time, now that (as Ryu pointed out) Nintendo fanboys are getting them without even wanting them, its kind of like a kick in the nuts to the X-Boys..
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Originally posted by fastson
Tactics by Sony?
Sony want to kill of MS?
Sony lets Square release some old ports, plus maybe FFXI (Sony makes money of it anyways, remember that 20% thingy?) so people will go for GC instead of Xbox for Online games..
PS2 main threat on the Onlinemarket is the Xbox.
Just a thought.
The final fantasy game for the gamecube isn\'t online. ;)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Rikku, it wasnt so much the fact that we brought up the XBox, as more it was a referrence to XBox fanboys.
You\'ll find at most forums you visit some information and general chat between friends and aquaintences that are unrelated to the topic tends to pop up. Disappointed? what boards aren\'t you disappointed with.
What did you expect us to say in this topic "Well done Nintendo, this is good news" for about 50 replies? If the console \'debates\' were like this, then i wouldnt visit this part of theforum, it would be boring. Fact is, this is a section for debates about the consoles, the topic is about a developer which XBox fanboys have wanted, and said they were getting for some time, now that (as Ryu pointed out) Nintendo fanboys are getting them without even wanting them, its kind of like a kick in the nuts to the X-Boys..
I think its great news for Nintendo. Even though its a cartoon game and its not online, it will still probably be the best game for the gamecube. They finally get a good game. Cheers Nintendo.... Learn from this and give Mario sunshine the boot. :)
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Originally posted by Docwiz
I think its great news for Nintendo. Even though its a cartoon game and its not online, it will still probably be the best game for the gamecube. They finally get a good game. Cheers Nintendo.... Learn from this and give Mario sunshine the boot. :)
..uhh...? you know what the game looks like?
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oh wait, i mi-understood, i thought you said it was cartoony, nevermind
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Some replies seemed like some of you are actually threatened by this news....
I think its awesome, when more companies intertwine with each other, better games are made, and being a gamer, thats what I want.
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One thing: Just because it\'s based on the Final Fantasy anime doesn\'t mean that it\'s going to be a cartoon game. (using cel-shading ala Jet Grind Radio or Cel Damage)
The chances are, if they do develop FF:U.. it\'ll be based on the anime but use a typical Square art style.
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check out this post on the square situation
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=19602