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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: kirath on March 11, 2002, 12:27:45 PM
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My friend was just telling me about it. Anyone have any info, know when this games comes out, if it really is HDTV??
http://www.ea.com/easportsbig/games/sledstorm/home.jsp
Thats what I found so far.. Thanks for the info
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where did you read about the HDTV support? The PS2 does support it, but it is very unlikely that developers will make use of it (they would rather use that performance for other stuff IMHO).
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Just found this..
http://www.sonyweb.com/news/1201/094_3.html
Also read on and HDTV forum that it is confirmed. This game is going to have HDTV support!
So much for the X-box... Sorry but I am really excited about this...
Kickin
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I read that in a PSM magazine too is clearly said 1080i support
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I know the PS2 has support for HDTV formats, but I thought the max resolution it supported was 480?
This page shows the max resolutions for each system...
http://www.xsnake.com/headtohead.html
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You will always find altered specs on biased sites (in this example, an Xbox site). As you can see, PS2 supports HDTV for movies and games too. Another thing that you might find interesting to know is that PS2 also supports DTS during gameplay (I explained this in my other reply to you).
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PS2 suppors 1080i..
It can send out VGA signals aswell.. (1200xsomething at 75Hz)
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Originally posted by seven
You will always find altered specs on biased sites (in this example, an Xbox site). As you can see, PS2 supports HDTV for movies and games too. Another thing that you might find interesting to know is that PS2 also supports DTS during gameplay (I explained this in my other reply to you).
Sony\'s own specs say that it only supports 480 resolution. Show me a web site where it says it supports anything higher.
Also, I argued about Dolby Digital, not DTS. You do realize that they are different right?
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Originally posted by fastson
PS2 suppors 1080i..
It can send out VGA signals aswell.. (1200xsomething at 75Hz)
Where did you get this information?
BTW - I hope you\'re right.
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Also, I argued about Dolby Digital, not DTS. You do realize that they are different right?
I know very well what the differences are. Let me brake it down:
Dolby Digital aswell as Digital-Theatre-Systems (DTS) is a multi-channel digital audio format. Dolby Digital is encoded with an algorithm called AC-3 and allows up to 5.1 channels (.1 being the Low-Frequency-Effects channel). DTS is basically the same (also 5.1 channels), but its encoded soundtrack is larger in terms of bit rate (up to over 1 MBit/s) than the same soundtrack using the AC-3 format. Satisfied?
And the PS2 supports both Dolby Digital and DTS in-game, the later being arguably the better format.
Sony\'s own specs say that it only supports 480 resolution. Show me a web site where it says it supports anything higher.
That is incorect or maybe misunderstood. The screen output resolution is variable from 256 x 224 up to 1920 x 1080. The Graphics Synthesizer (GPU) supports:
- At 640 x 480 it can display it at 85 Hz, while
- at 1280 x 1024 it falls to 75 Hz. (as FastSon pointed out correct)
- It can display 1920 x 1080 at 60 Hz (1080i)
Source is the \'Graphics-Synthesizer manual\' (Page 84). You\'ll find the manual on my site (once the server is back online).
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Oh well that\'s awesome guys, i mean i\'ve been waiting for this for along time since now, oh well i guess i am going to change my old TV!!! : )
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I am picking this game up tonight. I have an HDTV ready TV, I already have a progessive scan dvd player which does close to HDTV...
This game will be the test.. I will try it on regular s-video and component cable. Please stand by for tests results..!!
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Originally posted by kirath
I am picking this game up tonight. I have an HDTV ready TV, I already have a progessive scan dvd player which does close to HDTV...
This game will be the test.. I will try it on regular s-video and component cable. Please stand by for tests results..!!
Tell us how it is! :)
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Okay first impressions only here folks.
the game is not that good. Its a revamped SSX with snow mobiles. nothing new and exciting, the tracks are right out of SSX and so are the sounds. Kinda like they just modded it a little and packaged it as a new game..
Now as the HDTV thing goes, got me.. I don\'t see it. I am running Component cables to an HDTV, my progessive scan dvd player can do it without issue, but I can\'t get this game too.
I checked all the settings and the setting in the PS2 like 3 times. I switched from S-video to component and noticed no difference..
If someone wants to reseach this and tell me why that would be great. I am going to go a try to find some more info on this game...
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I just read the review in PSM for Sled Storm. It got a 6/10 and even though it\'s a pretty long review, it doesn\'t mention anything about HDTV.
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I don\'t know how you people figure that ps2 can do 1080. xbox can do 1920 x 1080 out of their box. NCube mention 480p at their highest. Most of ps2 games run at 480i/p. The output, even in component is 480i. Doesn\'t mean something that supports component will output hdtv.
This site have a specification of ps2: I will pull a part out of what it said.
Display Output
NTSC/PAL
Digital TV (DTV)
VESA (maximum 1280 x 1024 pixels)
Silicon Process Technology: 0.25 4-level metal
Total Number of Transistors: 43 million
It claims that it can do VESA 1280 x 1024 at it maximum pixels. So my guess is that it can do 1280 x 1024 at 60hz in VESA 32 bits color (over 4 billion kind of colors.) at it maximum. I wonder why they put have 32 bits color for. The human eyes can only see about 10 million colors differences. 24 bits is more than enough color for us(16.8 millions). 32 bits just wasted the RAM memory. So, I guess ps2 can do hdtv quality.
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Maybe Sledstorm runs in high defintion quality. Unfortunately, the ps2 output (not to be confused wiht the game\'s output) runs in 480i, doesn\'t matter if you connect component. PsOne is 480i output. Sony wants to make ps2 compatible with PsOne accesories, like controllers, multi output, plug cable, and games. Since the multi out is backward compatible with each other, ps2 and psOne. The output will be only in 480i. That\'s my theory, I am not sure though. One of the many reasons why games have too many noticable jaggies have to do with the interlaced output from ps2 even if the game run in progressive mode. There have been talks about VGA cable that actually runs in 480p from Sony. In the instruction booklet, they mention about some software that will makes ps2 hdtv compatible. Go look at the instruction manuel. The section is "Note" on page 7.
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Those component cables don\'t make the thing HD compatible. It doesn\'t do anything but split the colors up to seperate channels. It would take the purchase of some sort of VGA adapter or something of which I have not seen available to make it HD.
Heck, the picks on their website don\'t even look HD. They look like SD bull crap. If it\'s capable of HD, you would see damn good screen shots in 16x9.
So I think the game may be capable of it, but the PS2 not. This is the first I am hearing that the PS2 is capable of 1080i. I assumed the VGA output when it came out was going to give me 480p. BUt at least that is twice the resolution of SD crap. Maybe one day we will get an adapter to make it all work. I dunno, but I sure would like to see it.
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This is what it says on SCEA\'s site..
Which Display Resolutions are supported ?
NTSC/PAL interlaced and non-interlaced
DTV 480P, 720P and 1080I modes
VESA modes 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024 at 60/75 Hz
PS2 can do everything you tell it to.
Its all made in the software code.
PS2 can output VGA resolutions via the AV output on the back (Linux OS is a proof of that).
PS2 DOES support HDTV..
Ive heard that from two programmers from two different developers (Square and some SCEA first party team. Red something)
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Do a google search or a deja search for "sled storm hdtv" and you will see what I am talking about..
Appearantly they figured out a way to do DTS on the PS2 and they also figured out a way to do 1080i..
If it were a 1080i signal it would be over the component output of the PS2, its the only method of carrying an 1080i signal.
Hey its the first I heard of it too, thats why I am trying to figure this out...
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So now I just read somewhere that a PS2 made on or before Sept. 2000 is not capable of 1080i but ones made after this date is??
WTF is that.. If that is true there better be some sort of firmware update for these bad boys. Or I am gonna have to do that mad swap somewhere...
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Originally posted by kirath
So now I just read somewhere that a PS2 made on or before Sept. 2000 is not capable of 1080i but ones made after this date is??
WTF is that.. If that is true there better be some sort of firmware update for these bad boys. Or I am gonna have to do that mad swap somewhere...
I dont think so...
Then why can a "old" PS2 run Linux just as good as a new one?
Sounds BS:itty to me.
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huh, Dolby Digitial and HDTV were never invented by the developers. It\'s all up to the developers what they want to do, what they want to achieve with the amount of performance given to them.
The GPU (Graphics Synthesizer) supports:
- At 640 x 480 it can display it at 85 Hz
- at 1280 x 1024 it falls to 75 Hz.
- It can display 1920 x 1080 at 60 Hz (1080i)
This info is from the Graphics Synthesizer manual which every PS2-developer gets.
Maybe now people will understand what makes PS2 so powerful and more flexible than other consoles. Freedom and flexibility.
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I think Fastson and seven seems to know what they are talking about.
It sucks that games run in 1280 x 1024 progressive will output in 1080 interlaced. Gah, i hate interlaced. It\'s possible to ouput down to 720p? I think its okay to watch interlaced movies, but for games. There are lots of cocentration and it make me feels dizzy watching interlace pictures. Anyway, to be honest. There\'s haven\'t been any hdtv monitor that\'s capable of outputting 720p mode (at least not the ones i know of, plasma tv maybe, but they\'re pricey). Most hdtv are 480p, and 1080i modes. Why? I think engineers are built cheap hdtv but sell high in market. 720p will be expensive for engineer i guess.
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To put an end to the madness:
Sled Storm for the PS2 is definitely NOT 1080i capable.
Link 1 (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56636)
Link 2 (http://www.digitalbackspin.com/news/get-news.asp?id=921&catid=1&cpg=get-news.asp)
And DTS for the PS2 does not sound nearly as good as DD on the Xbox. Come to my house for a demo of SSX Tricky vs Halo. It\'s just a matter of simple hardware numbers. The Xbox has a dedicated 5.1 capable sound proc while the PS2 is sacrificing one of its VU\'s for the sound (at the developers\' descretion). Doesn\'t matter if DTS has a higher bitrate.
fyi- DTS bitrate is usually 768kbps (downgraded from 1.4mbps from earlier DVDs) and this is what the PS2 outputs. The Xbox outputs a full 640kbps for its DD bitrate, the max Dolby Digital allows and upped from the usually 350kbps.
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Okay, the madness is over. Sledstorm doesn\'t support 1080i format. Simple as that.:D
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And DTS for the PS2 does not sound nearly as good as DD on the Xbox. Come to my house for a demo of SSX Tricky vs Halo.
I think it would be unfair to compare the two and rate of the hardware.
THX, you as a home cinema enthusiast should know that there are dvd-video movies which have better sound and others that have worse. It\'s not necesserally the hardware, but the developers (or their respective sound engineers) that should put the effort into making it sound good. Don\'t blame the hardware for it.
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Originally posted by Paul2
I think Fastson and seven seems to know what they are talking about.
It sucks that games run in 1280 x 1024 progressive will output in 1080 interlaced. Gah, i hate interlaced. It\'s possible to ouput down to 720p? I think its okay to watch interlaced movies, but for games. There are lots of cocentration and it make me feels dizzy watching interlace pictures. Anyway, to be honest. There\'s haven\'t been any hdtv monitor that\'s capable of outputting 720p mode (at least not the ones i know of, plasma tv maybe, but they\'re pricey). Most hdtv are 480p, and 1080i modes. Why? I think engineers are built cheap hdtv but sell high in market. 720p will be expensive for engineer i guess.
I think you are smoking crack.
480p is not HD. I think they call it Extended definition or something stupid like that. 480p is a standard of digital television and you can take a look at it if you see the crap that FOX puts out in their Widescreen. It looks better than 480i, but it still sucks. 720P and 1080i are HD. And all HD units are capable of both or they wouldn\'t be HD units. They better be because CBS broadcasts 1080i and ABC broadcasts in 720p.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
I think you are smoking crack.
480p is not HD. I think they call it Extended definition or something stupid like that. 480p is a standard of digital television and you can take a look at it if you see the crap that FOX puts out in their Widescreen. It looks better than 480i, but it still sucks. 720P and 1080i are HD. And all HD units are capable of both or they wouldn\'t be HD units. They better be because CBS broadcasts 1080i and ABC broadcasts in 720p.
480p is called enhanced definition tv. I think you misunderstood what I am trying to say. Do you know the hdtv monitors that are currently in the market? The monitors have this output, 480i(sdtv), 480p(edtv), and 1080i(hdtv) mode. Meaning?
If you watch video with 480i source, it will play in 480i format or you can upconvert it to 480p or 960i. IF you watch 480p. It it will run smoothly in 480p format. But if you have hdtv signals, like 1080i. It will play 1080i format. What about 720p? The quality that abc broadcast? Well, nearly all hdtv monitors right now doesn\'t support 720p, so the 720p will be convert to 1080 signal format. why didn\'t engineers added the 720p format to hdtv so 720p signal can runs in it native format have to do with cost. 720p is a progressive signal that runs at about 46khz. Mulitply it by 60 frames(hz). 1080i runs at about 34khz scan rate. Mulitply it by 30 frames(hz). 1080i a bit faster than 480p which runs at 31.5 khz.(mulitply it by 60hz). Notice that when you multiply it, it a little less than what it was. because picture view in 480p for instance actually have more lines (about 525 lines of resolution but only 480 are viewable).
So, 525 lines time 60 frame(hz) equal 31.5 khz.
that\'s about 525p @ 60hz. But only 480 lines are viewable.
I hope i am not confusing you. I am not good at explaining things. Someone in this forum might know what I means and could explain it to you better.
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Also, all hdtv currently on the market actually doesn\'t have up to 2 millions pixels as they claim. The hdtv monitors actually have about 1 millions to 1.3 million pixels.
Its has this weird format.
Phillips 34" widescreen hdtv, for instance has this format. (at least Phillips are honest about it)
1200 x 1080i (about 1.3 million pixels). Not even 1920 x 1080i.
But, it still consider hdtv quality because the specification for hdtv have to be at least a million pixels and 1200 x 1080 has over a million. and the specification mention that it has to run at least 24 frames per second progressively. 1200 x 1080i runs at 30 frames per second or 60 fields. That\'s higher than 24p.
RCA 38" widescreen hdtv monitor, runs at 1280 x 1080i.
If you don\'t believe me. Check many companies website that sell tvs, like Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Sharp, etc....
those companies that made hdtv monitors have a specification of 1080i. it didn\'t say 1920 x 1080i. Just 1080i. And nearly none of them mention 720p as one of the hdtv native format.
So they leave us (consumers) hangs. 1080i could means anything.
it could be 640 x 1080i. But that\'s not over a million pixels so i doubted. It could be 960 x 1080i. That\'s over a million pixels. But stills, not their highest 1080i quality.
So, that\'s why these tv companies haven\'t support 720p format. They try to cut the cost of hdtv and hdtv is still new and aren\'t that popular yet.
Back to the topic. Why is 720p isn\'t support?
Look it this way.
Give RCA 38" widescreen hdtv monitor for example.
it runs at 1280 x 1080 @ 30 hz at it maximum.
if you mulitiply all the numbers together. You will get about 42 megahertz. Just clock it up to 50mhz.
1280 x 720 x 60 hz will give you about 56 megahertz. i will round that up to 60mhz. There is about 10 mhz differences.
that\'s why most 720p format will convert to 1080i format because it requires less bandwidth because of interlace format.
I am hoping I am not confusing you guys here.:D
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BLAHH!! Stoopid internet, stoopid game...
DTS sounds damn good, but its also dependent on your stereo components.. If I did not hate the X-baux controllers soooo much I would buy one. But I am happy with me ps2 so its all good..
So much for hdtv support.. bLAH!!@$