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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: theomen on March 13, 2002, 12:29:42 AM
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In one of my classes we debated about reverse racism, and whether such things as "all black colleges" and affirmitive action were forms of reverse racism. What are your views on the subject?
BTW please don\'t say anything hurtfull, as in using defamatory speach against a race.
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certain african americans just feel that white people today owe them something to 60 years of persecution
when it was thier own damn kind that were selling them to the slave traders
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Anytime someone is descriminated against or prejudged based solely on their skin color, nationality, or religeon... it is racism. Affirmitive action and it\'s illk were created to counter the racism minoritys recieved from "white males". I don\'t think we knew any better at the time and just decided to fight fire with fire. Weither we still need it in this day and age, I don\'t know. I would have hoped we\'d grown socially and culturally enough to overcome any form of racism by this time.
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"What goes up...must come down." -- Chicago.
So yeah. For everything there is it\'s opposite.
BTW slavery is still going on in Africa. And Christians are being slaughtered everyday in Sudan.
....but let\'s dwell on the past instead.....:(
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So why is it known as \'reverse racism\', surely its just being racist full stop, as has been happening in the past. It seems daft that people still want to get there own back for whats happened in the past.
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Daft.
I love that word:)
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yes there is, but it is more so in the big corporations, cuz the govt. watches them alot closere than say jims lawn mowing service. I hate the fact that the govt. has this law cuz all it is saying, is that minorities can\'t make it on there own, so we need to help you, f*ck that if I was black or asian I would f*cking be pissed about the law, but I guess some people like the naacp like it, cuz they are a bunch of ignorant a$$holes, who go and ban books about there heritage off of school libraries, because it depicts blacks a slaves, thats what ya\'ll were, if your own people wouldnt have sold you there would be no blacks in this country.
*edit* As much as this sounds racist I am not I am just against ignorance.
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No, I just call it racism as someone else stated. Just pure racism.
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I think that guy Sean on the new Survivor show is racist.
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Originally posted by theomen
In one of my classes we debated about reverse racism, and whether such things as "all black colleges" and affirmitive action were forms of reverse racism. What are your views on the subject?
First of all, they are not all black colleges. They are historically black colleges. When founded, African Americans could not attend other colleges so they started their own. By no means are they all black because there are many whites, latinos, and asians in Historically Black Colleges.
Originally posted by mm
certain african americans just feel that white people today owe them something to 60 years of persecution
when it was thier own damn kind that were selling them to the slave traders
Second of all, Its not like Africans called the Europeans over to come get slaves. Europeans came to Africa with the intention of making the natives slaves. SOME tribes captured and sold others into slavery but that was a small percentage. To say that African Americans should blame slavery on other Africans is one of the most idiotic things anyone could say.
On the topic of Reverse Racism:
There is no such thing. Racism is racism no matter which way it goes. To say that racism directed towards whites(or the majority) is "reverse" racism is basically saying that racism is backwards if its not directed at the minority(blacks, latinos, asians).
On a personal note, I know a lot of African Americans who are extremely prejudiced towards whites so I know it goes both ways. The only difference is that regardless of which way it goes caucasians make up the majority of the North American population so they still have the upper hand.
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Man, I hate Whitey.
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Racism exists no matter what, it knows no skin color, religion, or sex. Racism exists. Live with it. It ain\'t ever gonna stop, well maybe it woulds stop, if we lived in a Star-Trek type universe where everyone had the same amount of wealth.
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This is like the debate on the, "BET" thread..
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Well pretty soon when whittey is being been discriminated against it will no longer be "reverse racism", because the Mexican American population will be the majority in the US. So that means that whittey can be applicants for affirmitive action, and they will be a minority.
As for racism in general, I just whish people would stop differing themselves from others, if you see someone they always say I\'m a ****** American. They distinguish themselves from everyone else. The way I see it the only real reason to distinguish yourself from another should be your culture, not your race. So people that say ther are African American, I just wanna know when was the last time you were in Africa? Oh never, so f*ck you, you\'re just an American. You\'re an Italian American, when did you immigrate? Oh never, you were born here? F*ck you, you\'re American. Pollish American, born in the US, drop the Pollish part, you\'re an American. I believe the same should go for every nation.
Or maybe take it a step further, I\'m not an African American, or an Italian American, I\'m a damn human, leave it at that.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
This is like the debate on the, "BET" thread..
No it isnt..no where near.
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Originally posted by theomen
Well pretty soon when whittey is being been discriminated against it will no longer be "reverse racism", because the Mexican American population will be the majority in the US. So that means that whittey can be applicants for affirmitive action, and they will be a minority.
Latinos in general will be the majority, not just Mexicans
Originally posted by theomen
As for racism in general, I just whish people would stop differing themselves from others, if you see someone they always say I\'m a ****** American. They distinguish themselves from everyone else. The way I see it the only real reason to distinguish yourself from another should be your culture, not your race. So people that say ther are African American, I just wanna know when was the last time you were in Africa? Oh never, so f*ck you, you\'re just an American. You\'re an Italian American, when did you immigrate? Oh never, you were born here? F*ck you, you\'re American. Pollish American, born in the US, drop the Pollish part, you\'re an American. I believe the same should go for every nation.
Or maybe take it a step further, I\'m not an African American, or an Italian American, I\'m a damn human, leave it at that.
Also, on this note. People that say they are XXX-American are just showing respect and pride in where they come from. Italians are proud of their heritage. Polish people are proud of their heritage. There is nothing wrong with them showing their pride.
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Originally posted by theomen
Or maybe take it a step further, I\'m not an African American, or an Italian American, I\'m a damn human, leave it at that.
That is because society has to label EVERYTHING.
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As for the reverse racism topic goes, I would have to believe that all forms of racism are of an ill nature. However, man is and will always be afraid of those things that he/she can’t understand. If we as a people were to be educated in the cultures of other races we might be able to over come the racist drives in all of us.
Some of us have over come those drives from experiencing another culture and the differences between our own culture and that of another. Fear is one of the main drives to racism; Ignorance is the drive to fear. I think that if most people were to learn about those races that they fear most, they would then overcome the racism in themselves.
This also applies to religious beliefs and other topics that define us as humans.
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As a white dude (with all my "upper handedness) I wake up in the morning every day and say, "What can I do today to keep the black man down...Hmmm... Ah screw it, I\'m going to Kmart."
Ugh.
Our wonderful elected representatives in the senate passed AMNESTY for illegals. Weeeeeeeee
This is wrong on so many levels I won\'t even bother.
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Originally posted by Gohan
There is no such thing. Racism is racism no matter which way it goes. To say that racism directed towards whites(or the majority) is "reverse" racism is basically saying that racism is backwards if its not directed at the minority(blacks, latinos, asians).
You\'re missing the definition of reverse racism. This is when a group that has be repressed by racism, grows to power and inflicts racist behavior towards their previous afflictors. It\'s not saying that reverse racism means that it is backwards, simply that the dominant racial views have turned around.
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Amnesty for illegal immigrants, affirmitive action, God those piss me off. We\'re still held to old, old words, phrases, ad ideas, too, while the "victims" toss them around, and even point them at us! The most obvious example is "nigger." I hear black people say it like ten times a day. One time a little black fucker called ME a "nigger." But what would happen if I said the word? Goddamnit, I\'m not racist, I\'m really not, but these sons of bitches complain about racism, "Persecution this, respect that, by the way, we\'re suing the government," and then they turm around and call you a cracker.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Second of all, Its not like Africans called the Europeans over to come get slaves. Europeans came to Africa with the intention of making the natives slaves. SOME tribes captured and sold others into slavery but that was a small percentage. To say that African Americans should blame slavery on other Africans is one of the most idiotic things anyone could say.
I\'m sorry but you\'re completely wrong here. The British, Portuguese, Spanish and Americans along with other european nations were the ones who managed the actual trading and transportation involved in the African slave trade. However, the actual capture of slaves from their native regions was carried out almost exclusively by african tribes. Originally the trade consisted of mostly prisioners of war, but as demand rose african chiefs began to organize raids on neighboring tribes with the sole purpose of capturing slaves.
Europeans did indeed establish forts in Africa, but these were utilized to house slaves while the trade ships made their routes.
So mm makes a valid point, in his own unusual manner :)
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Originally posted by kangu-G^Ltt^s
I\'m sorry but you\'re completely wrong here. The British, Portuguese, Spanish and Americans along with other european nations were the ones who managed the actual trading and transportation involved in the African slave trade. However, the actual capture of slaves from their native regions was carried out almost exclusively by african tribes. Originally the trade consisted of mostly prisioners of war, but as demand rose african chiefs began to organize raids on neighboring tribes with the sole purpose of capturing slaves.
Europeans did indeed establish forts in Africa, but these were utilized to house slaves while the trade ships made their routes.
So mm makes a valid point, in his own unusual manner :)
someone\'s trying to kiss up with mm\'s here.:rolleye:
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Its a hard one to call. I think that until blacks and whites are seen as humans and theres no seperation between them then that is when racism as a whole would end - pretty obvious really.
It would mean though that there shouldn\'t be TV shows for blacks, words which your not allowed to say infront of blacks and other dividing things like black only schools. I mean even referering to whites and blacks by there skin colour should be allowed. Since saying this is racised is actually making an issue of their skin colour which shouldn\'t be there. I mean they are black. Im white it doesn\'t matter its just the colour of your skin. It means nothing.
Then once everyone is completly treated the same then prehaps racism would stop - although the chance of this happening is fairly slim due to peoples\' ignorance.
Just as a side note I actually think that it would be harder to stop racist views in England than it would in America. I grew up in north england and in both my schools and college (thats from the beginning of school till the age of 18) there was one black person. Im now at University and I don\'t think there is a single black person in my class of about 100. I think i\'ve seen two black people in 4 months of being here. It seems they all live in south england.
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I definitely think there is reverse racism. Anytime you are doing something based on skin color, it is most likely racism, on some level. However, I think a certain amount of reverse racism is and was necessary. It\'s almost like self defense. If a group of people is being unfairly treated, of course they should band together and fight it. Is that racism? To some extent, I think so. But it is also necessary.
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Originally posted by Paul2
someone\'s trying to kiss up with mm\'s here.:rolleye:
Someone needs to get his cynical head out of his ass. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by RichG
Its a hard one to call. I think that until blacks and whites are seen as humans and theres no seperation between them then that is when racism as a whole would end - pretty obvious really.
It would mean though that there shouldn\'t be TV shows for blacks, words which your not allowed to say infront of blacks and other dividing things like black only schools. I mean even referering to whites and blacks by there skin colour should be allowed. Since saying this is racised is actually making an issue of their skin colour which shouldn\'t be there. I mean they are black. Im white it doesn\'t matter its just the colour of your skin. It means nothing.
Then once everyone is completly treated the same then prehaps racism would stop - although the chance of this happening is fairly slim due to peoples\' ignorance.
Just as a side note I actually think that it would be harder to stop racist views in England than it would in America. I grew up in north england and in both my schools and college (thats from the beginning of school till the age of 18) there was one black person. Im now at University and I don\'t think there is a single black person in my class of about 100. I think i\'ve seen two black people in 4 months of being here. It seems they all live in south england.
This is the most intelligent post in this thread so far IMO. One area I do disagree with you on is this Rich, "all black" schools dont really exist the way it sounds when *all black* is spoken. Whites and anyone else are more than welcome to enroll with out being turned down for their color. Most non blacks just wont go there b/c they feel intimidated.
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Originally posted by RichG
It would mean though that there shouldn\'t be TV shows for blacks, words which your not allowed to say infront of blacks and other dividing things like black only schools.
I\'m just curious about what you mean by "TV shows for blacks". Also, there is no such thing as a "black-only" school. I go to a historically black college and there are many white students.
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Grambling University had a white kicker a few years ago.
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they have to have all black schools because they can\'t get into all the white schools. Lucky bastards
And why shouldn\'t it. You dogged a race of ppl for 400 years. And even today it\'s still going on . It\'s pretty sad we can\'t all live as one. But if there weren\'t things like AA to guarantee that qualified african americans would not be passed over jobs, and schools because of there race.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
But if there weren\'t things like AA to guarantee that qualified african americans would not be passed over jobs, and schools because of there race.
Thats the problem with AA IMO, wayyyy to many unqualified minorties are getting jobs they shouldnt necessarily have just b/c they are a person of color.
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Originally posted by luckee
Thats the problem with AA IMO, wayyyy to many unqualified minorties are getting jobs they shouldnt necessarily have just b/c they are a person of color.
True that and it is bad for businesses because not only do they have to abide by the 15% korean in the community = 15% in your work force, which isn\'t right, companies are getting sued by one of the govt. branches that, that ****** Clinton organized while he had his blowjob and dinner too.
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mjps...sorry, but for some reason, your post didnt make a lick of sense to me.