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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Bossieman on March 15, 2002, 12:23:29 PM
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I know this is not funny, but I really finds it very funny. A total flop in Japan and another one coming in Europe?!!!!!!!!?
Well, what did we say a year back?? I can´t see MS beating Sony this generation, call me a fanboy I don´t care. I think MS have smoked their last joint for this generation. Mr Billy can sit home and wonder "What happened??!?! I had a superior console!"
Did he think everyone could afford 480US$ for a x-box??? The humans on this planet doesn´t have billion of dollars to buy stuff.
What did Billy think of??
Well THIS year they will win E3!!! This year. Millions of consumers will be totally amazed by the "MS-30fps-patent".
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No he will appear on a international newsflash and just say
“APRIL FOOLS ! “
Just joking..... Just joking !
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Oh, but didn\'t you hear? The Xbox is smash success in Japan and so far it\'s taken Europe completely by storm. There\'s no stopping MS!! Well, at least according to those poor misguided souls over at Team Xbox anyhow. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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I can\'t believe you made a new thread just to say that, you are one sad human if that is all you have to do with your time!:mad:
Also why do you find it funny that a console MIGHT fall, you can\'t like games very much then, if you think it is funny that a great one like the Xbox might not be around very long.
And why do you keep going on about the price? the PS2 was the same price when it launched!
So once the Xbox price falls, then we will see how it does, also have you played games like Rallisport, or JSRF, these are some of the best games i have ever played.
Ps2 had a good year last year for games, but i really don\'t see anything that great this year, if you could name a few that would be great, so i can look out for them.
But Xbox is the New kid on the block, you have to give it some time, PS1 only took off once the price drops kicked it, and don\'t say it shot off the shelves when it was full price because it didn\'t, i got my PS1 after the first price drop and i had no trouble getting, but once the secound price drop hit, you couldn\'t find one any where in the UK, so until the Xbox starts getting a price drop, i am not saying one word on how it will do.
Also people say that the Xbox is to big for japanese people and that they like smaller things, well if that is the case, then why is the GC selling so bad, you can\'t get a much smaller console then that!
Right i am finshed now, sorry for that people, just a few words i had to say.
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i feel for you man
we should start a charity
also have you played games like Rallisport, or JSRF, these are some of the best games i have ever played.
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Here\'s an interview--they never expected to sell anymore than that. They\'ve always said it was a long term commitment and presence. If the N64 is any evidence, a system/comapny can survive so long as it\'s successful in one major market.
And yes, I will take this time to call you a fanboy.
http://www.gamesdomain.com/articles/1272.html
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that guy is talking out his arse
First off, we\'re really happy with the Japanese launch and we\'ve made all our sales and retail expectations
:rolleyes:
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And why do you keep going on about the price? the PS2 was the same price when it launched!
No it wasnt.
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If the N64 is any evidence, a system/comapny can survive so long as it\'s successful in one major market.
The N64 survived beacuse 80% of all the games sold were first party!
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tell that to sega
:)
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tell that to sega
Thats the problem, sega did not use its major franchises on the DC (no VF, no Offline Phantasy Star, etc)
For some reason people did not want to buy sega games..
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no VF? no offline PS?
tsk tsk
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PS was playable in single player
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wow.. I did not know they had a VF on the DC
but, the offline (and online IMO) experience in PS was complete crap...
Nintendo games have always sold better then Sega games..
Sega has only had one million seller, VF. And Sonic (Cause it was bundled with the system)
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Richard Teversham: The interesting thing is to think that how much these first wave of games utilise Xbox... we\'ll make up a number, say 30 to 40 per cent of the capabilities, but you\'ve still got so much potential. Imagine what waves two, three, four and five are going to be like. Imagine what the online capabilities are going to be like, imagine when they really start to utilise the hard disk. The world is our oyster! If you look at the competing machine\'s first generation games, they\'re probably using around 80-90 per cent of the capabilities and we\'re already beating the competition visually on our first round.
This guy\'s an idiot. Just had to say that.
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Originally posted by mm
that guy is talking out his arse
This is coming from you mm, you make me laugh:D :D :D :D
Originally posted by mm
i feel for you man
we should start a charity
Why? Just because i can get past the name Microsoft and enjoy these great games!! Yeah good one mm!
I have shown these two games to all my friends that have a PS2, and they are all planning on getting an Xbox in the next Two weeks with these games, and they play there PS2 alot1
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quote: by fastson.
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And why do you keep going on about the price? the PS2 was the same price when it launched!
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No it wasnt.
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I think you will find Fastson that here in the UK the PS2 was 299 pounds, and guess what the Xbox is 299 pounds here too!!
And nice spamming!!
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Not that most of you guys will care, but i think i am leaving these forums now, i can\'t take it any more, when i first joined these forums things were great around here, but it seems to have done down hill big time, which is a shame, because i loved coming to these foums each day, but hey good things don\'t last forever.
And see ya mm, we had some good arguments, but you always seemed to have a problem with me and i just wondered why that was?
SEE YA AROUND PEOPLE AND ENJOY YOU GAMES, NO MATTER WHAT NAMES ARE ON THEM!!
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problem with you? wtf? dont get insecure on me now. we\'re DC fans, whats there not to like?
at any rate, calling JGRF and rallisport the greatest games youve ever played is fine , ehhe. ;)
cya around i guess
/me shrugs
oh and please click on a banner for once on yer way out
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I wouldn\'t go just yet...this will blow over eventually. And maybe they can get some control over the boards in the mean time.
If you sift through the garbage post about Xbox, you\'ll only find 1 or 2 legit complaints on the system, like on any system. It does get frustrating that intelligent debates can\'t go on because some jack ass decides to post "Halo only has 30 fps" or some lamer comment like that, but they are not worth your time.
As it stands right now, PS2 fans don\'t have much to talk about so they look to the competition and criticize. It\'s human nature...
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Originally posted by Chrono
wow.. I did not know they had a VF on the DC
:laughing: Do you even play games? Just checking. ;)
Ethan_Hunt, don\'t leave yet. I took lots of Bobs crap and I\'m still here. hehe
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Not that most of you guys will care, but i think i am leaving these forums now, i can\'t take it any more, when i first joined these forums things were great around here, but it seems to have done down hill big time, which is a shame, because i loved coming to these foums each day, but hey good things don\'t last forever. - Ethen_Hunt
Good Christ man, I guess you\'re right. Things were so much better when we were flooded by anti-PS2 trolls and were all united in our effort to prove that the PS2 wasn\'t as bad as the media and gaming sites were claiming it was. After all the crap that\'s been thrown this way by Zelots and Trolls, I think we deserve to blow off a little steam.
I doubt many people here really "hate" other systems just because of the name.. we\'re just giving what\'s come due. Leave for a bit until this phase fizzles out like a bad fart and then come back if you want to. We\'re all gamers here, and most of the members here own and enjoy as many systems as they can afford. Or should we REALLY make another "what consoles do you own" thread just to prove the obvious once again?
Take it from a guy who dosen\'t even OWN a PS2 yet, ( :( )... we\'re not as closeminded as we appear some times. I just would have thought you\'d known that by now....
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Originally posted by mm
problem with you? wtf? dont get insecure on me now. we\'re DC fans, whats there not to like?
at any rate, calling JGRF and rallisport the greatest games youve ever played is fine , ehhe. ;)
cya around i guess
/me shrugs
oh and please click on a banner for once on yer way out
The reason i said you had a problem why me was because, no matter what i posted, you always seemed to reply as if you were trying to start an arguement.
Also the reason i like Rallisport and JSRF is because for ME they are just pure fun, and that is what i really look for in a game at the moment, but that is just my opionion, and if you don\'t like that then that is fine, but start telling me what i should and shouldn\'t think is good.
What is the best game you have played then mm?
But i will always be a DC FAN mm no matter what, so i guess we both have one thing in common. Poor little guy, it still sits proud next to my PS2 and Xbox, and it always will:D :)
Also i will click on the banner twice just for you mm, see ya around mate! :D
p.s maybe in a few months maybe i should return as a new member with a different name, so keep an eye out, i might just return one day.:)
p.p.s i just click on the banner 15 times, though i better make up for a few of the times i didn\'t.
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nah, i pick on guys i like the most
everyone [except possibly you] knows this
clyde misses you already
he said he\'ll give you a nanner to stay
:(
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I think you will find Fastson that here in the UK the PS2 was 299 pounds, and guess what the Xbox is 299 pounds here too!!
And nice spamming!!
Here in sweden the PS2 launched at 4500SEK while the Xbox is 5000SEK. PS2 games are around 550SEK while Xbox games are 600-700SEK.
Not the same price :)
Oh.. And that was a reply. No spamming.
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funny.. Ethan Hunt getting all defensive because someone pointed out that XBox has flopped :laughing:
and personally Ethan, i think this year looks more promising for PS2 than last year
then again.. MGS2 and FFXI are both 2002 releases down here :p
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Originally posted by Chrono
wow.. I did not know they had a VF on the DC
but, the offline (and online IMO) experience in PS was complete crap...
Nintendo games have always sold better then Sega games..
Sega has only had one million seller, VF. And Sonic (Cause it was bundled with the system)
Virtua Fighter 3TB.
PSO offline mode, which granted wasn\'t that great but PSO online mode was a hit for SegaNet and really brought online gaming for consoles to the forefront and has yet to be equally matched and won\'t be until FFXI and even then its questionable.
Sonic was not bundled with the DC for the record. The DC was sold at $200 price tag and Sonic Adventure was sold seperate. The only time Sonic was bundled in , was with the Genesis and even then that wasn\'t the original launch package (which was actually Altered Beast). Point? The DC broke records on launch date and kept selling good until Sony started to hype the PS2 up which was a gurantee\'d success due to the mainstream success of the Psone. Sega just couldn\'t keep taking losses (which they was with every DC sold) and contend with Sony\'s media blitz and eventual launch.
Oh and one more thing. You said Sega didn\'t have their big franchises on the DC...Well, they did. They had VF3, Sonic, Daytona USA, a port of Virtua Cop 2, PS and then they went and made new franchises such as Jet Set Radio, Craxy Taxi and of course Shenmue.
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Sonic was not bundled with the DC for the record.
I never said it was,
I was talking about the Genesis sonics,
the fact is, sega has only had one million seller, virtua figher.
Nintendo has had countless million sellers, hence, they are still alive (along with the gameboy of course)
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Originally posted by pstwo
I took lots of Bobs crap and I\'m still here. hehe
Didn\'t we all take Bob\'s crap. :p
BTW, the Xbox costs the same here as PS2 did when it launched. A stupid price, but PS2 sold at launch anyway so Xbox might as well. :)
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Originally posted by Samwise
Didn\'t we all take Bob\'s crap. :p
BTW, the Xbox costs the same here as PS2 did when it launched. A stupid price, but PS2 sold at launch anyway so Xbox might as well. :)
Please someone buy this console wont someone please think of the billionare ;)
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May I step in here for a moment?
Yes.
Thank you!
First off, can\'t we all just get along?
QUESTION: If MS made the most powerful console known to man, one that even Bossieman, MM and the rest could not deny, could you guys past the MS logo and buy into it?
No!
I thought so.
Thanks!
Ace
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Hmmm, it\'s all about class envy isn\'t it?
Ace
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Leave for a bit until this phase fizzles out like a bad fart
:laughing:
is it just me or has SonyFan become somewhat funnier as late?
ahh well, keep it up :) *grabs your buttocks in a manly hug*
Ace:
QUESTION: If MS made the most powerful console known to man, one that even Bossieman, MM and the rest could not deny, could you guys past the MS logo and buy into it?
i think they all hate the games, not the system itself :) the hate for these games mean they hate the respective system it is on :)
:fro: toot on
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Sorry, but I don\'t think it\'s the games. It\'s the MS logo on the machine.
We all can say that every new console that has come out there has been a waiting period for the great games to appear on that console.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
Sorry, but I don\'t think it\'s the games. It\'s the MS logo on the machine.
We all can say that every new console that has come out there has been a waiting period for the great games to appear on that console.
Ace
naawww :) if Microsoft made the most powerful machine known to man, it\'d sure get lots of technical praise, but if it still had the exact same games, then it\'d cop just as much flac as its getting now..
especially if Halo still ran at 30fps :p
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So when the PS2 first came out, you were beside yourself with joy at how good the games were?
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
So when the PS2 first came out, you were beside yourself with joy at how good the games were?
Ace
of course not :) but i had enough to get me through, SSX was great fun, TimeSplitter had lasting appeal with my friends and the map maker, and Tekken Tag Tournament is my all time fav. fighting game and that probably wont be overtaken.. until.. the next Tekken Tag Tournament :)
but this is exactly what happened when PS2 launched (DreamCast fans going nuts, Xbox fans lapping it up), and what XBox is going through.. go figure
has nothing to do with the company that makes it (although because its microsoft it does make it all the more.. poetic :p)
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I don´t like the x-box because it is made by MS. I find nothing interesting about the x-box. Nothing new, just old x86 architechture. I find it strange that people gives Microsoft a new chance even if they have proven their ****ty OS for over 10 years.
We all have memories of MS stupid OS but still people by their x-box, why?? I have no clue.
I have used Sony products for decades and never have i been dissapointed, I have nice Sony 32" widescreen Awsome TV,
A Sony MD, VCR and other Sony products. They have proven their name again and again.
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Yes but the xbox had Amped, Halo and DOA3, plus Gothem.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Yes but the xbox had Amped, Halo and DOA3, plus Gothem.
yes, buty unfortunately, XBox has to be compared to current PS2 titles, and IMO (and a lot of peoples O) it doesnt match up
i\'d take SSX over Amped, i\'d take Tekken Tag over DoA3, and i\'d take GT3 over Gotham :)
*wants to play Halo*
i have a friend who is only interested in XBox because of its specs "yeah but XBox is so good, look at the specs!!" kinda thing.. so im gonna con him into getting one, so i can play Halo :p ahhh, its almost TOO easy :)
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Originally posted by Ace
QUESTION: If MS made the most powerful console known to man, one that even Bossieman, MM and the rest could not deny, could you guys past the MS logo and buy into it?
Ace
How about we talk about it when we get there? ;)
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But really Bob Amped is a much deeper game than SSX. Tekken and DOA3 is a personal preference.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
But really Bob Amped is a much deeper game than SSX. Tekken and DOA3 is a personal preference.
seems to me like they are all personal preference :) i dont play Snowboarding games for a deep experience.. i play it for fun arcade action that i can break out when a friend is over for a couple of great races showing off some huge tricks.. in that sense, i find that SSX is better than Amped.. but in fairness, i only played Amped for a little while :)
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Bossieman,
That\'s cool that you don\'t like MS products. Nothing wrong with staying with what you like, but to deny that the XBox is a good console is just fooling yourself. I had a Sony tv that died on me as well as a CD player. Did that stop me from buying the PS1 and PS2? No.
I also look at the OS market and see it a little differently than you. If people were so disgusted with MS products they would be out of business and Apple would be in it\'s place.
I am tired of hearing other companies cry that MS is a bully and we can\'t survive if you don\'t tie their hands behind there back. When someone comes out with a better product people will buy it.
Ace
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I am tired of hearing other companies cry that MS is a bully and we can\'t survive if you don\'t tie their hands behind there back. When someone comes out with a better product people will buy it.
IF Microsoft lets someone bring out a better product (OS) is rather questionable. That\'s what we call a monopoly. ;)
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Who has propped both Apple and Corel up for the past 5 years? MS. Without MS we wouldn\'t have the memory hungry and feature starved Wordperfect or a computer that doubles as a desk lamp.
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Originally posted by Ace
Bossieman,
but to deny that the XBox is a good console is just fooling yourself.
I don´t belive it is a good console, a good console is not just hardware, the Atari jaguar was awsome, but was it good? hell no.
I didn´t bought the PS2 because of its power, I bought it because of the games. I know awsome games would come to it, especially FF and MGS. That was enough for me. But I cant understand that a gamer choose x-box before PS2. I cant find one singel reason why a gamer should get a x-box before a PS2.
There is not even a contest. The PS2 is just to damn dominating. Almost every big AAA title will come to the PS2.
But what makes the x-box a good console????
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Bossieman, those are my thoughts exactly
If you own a PS2 and want an xbox.. thats fine
but to only want xbox and nothing else is so confusing
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If you own a PS2 and want an xbox.. that\'s fine
but to only want xbox and nothing else is so confusing
Exactly the way I feel. But I can reverse the names. Either way it does not matter.
I cant find one singel reason why a gamer should get a x-box before a PS2
Well, I think you could find a reason or two because it is all a matter of choice. I do agree though if someone asked me which system would give them more bang for the buck I will tell them a PS2, but that can change.
I would say forget about the MS logo and try to look at the games impartially.
Ace
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Halo is as good a reason as any.
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But HALO is a FPS shotter and i am pretty sick of them.
And if you really want HALO why not wait for the PC version??
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Well Halo isn\'t just another shooter, and your reasoning is faulty anyway--typical around here.
An xbox only owner could say:
Why don\'t I just wait and get an improved MGS and GTA3 for xbox and FF for my PC.
But of course people around here don\'t use the same logic with the xbox that they use with their beloved PS2s.
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i agree with WatchDog, i was about to post the same thing buddy..
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We all new that it was a long shot for xbox to do well in japan. Do we need a new thread to tell us this? Everyone has been saying for months it going to be hard for xbox outside of usa. So there is no surprise. We all new this. Thus this was a total waste of a thread.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
I don´t belive it is a good console, a good console is not just hardware, the Atari jaguar was awsome, but was it good? hell no.
I didn´t bought the PS2 because of its power, I bought it because of the games. I know awsome games would come to it, especially FF and MGS. That was enough for me. But I cant understand that a gamer choose x-box before PS2. I cant find one singel reason why a gamer should get a x-box before a PS2.
There is not even a contest. The PS2 is just to damn dominating. Almost every big AAA title will come to the PS2.
But what makes the x-box a good console????
Then your whole argument towards xbox is pointless. Sony was out longer and it has the developers backing it. Surely if you want to talk about which console is best. If xbox and ps2 had all the same games surely xbox would win pound for pound.
Xbox is not a bad system it just does not have all the games ps2 has yet. The system is not bad it just does not have the library yet. I mean it\'s not hard to understand. You can\'t say it\'s not a good console. Because it has the best architecture. Just not all the best games. Which is a developer issue.
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Well frankly MS has lots of devs backing them so they are fine in that dept but most of these devs are new to console gaming and it will take sometime before they can start breaking out the power of the xbox
the xbox only prob with devs is in the japanese dept which is where it needs to most support - not so much to survive but to give gamers want they want and thats great games from experienced developers
so its only a matter of time before you know it xbox has the potential to release great games too - PS2 had its gap in btwn launch and games
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Well frankly MS has lots of devs backing them so they are fine in that dept but most of these devs are new to console gaming and it will take sometime before they can start breaking out the power of the xbox
so its only a matter of time before you know it xbox has the potential to release great games too - PS2 had its gap in btwn launch and games
Why is that so obvious to just a few here. I think it\'s blind hatred for MS, and that is not logical.
Ace
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Well, yes, but try telling that to the ignorant masses of PSX2 Central.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Well, yes, but try telling that to the ignorant masses of PSX2 Central.
but we are having soo much fun pokeing fun at Bills Troubles !
:( :crying:
its too addictive to stop
:( :crying:
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Well, yes, but try telling that to the ignorant masses of PSX2 Central.
Watchdog, you should let it go buddy :)
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Or you could just as easily tell people like mm or Chrono or ooseven to let it go.
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well as long as we agree im not part of those masses im happy
i havent ever thought of my self to be an unreasonable person and i have to agree that some people are rather irrational and need some sense slapped into them
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yer certainly NOT saying im part of that mass
:)
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Or you could just as easily tell people like mm or Chrono or ooseven to let it go.
Please don\'t take anything i say to heart !
ill continue to Bash M$$$$$$$$$ until they decide to sell the X box at a reasonable Price in the UK
till then i have every right to bash them for shafting me for a 51% price increase !
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Or you could just as easily tell people like mm or Chrono or ooseven to let it go.
now what are the chances of that happening..? ;)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
now what are the chances of that happening..? ;)
What me giving up on the M$ bashing ?
or M$ pricing the X box in the UK at a REASONABLE price ?
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I wasn\'t necessarily calling you all fanboys, I\'m just saying that despite what you really[\\i] think, your comments spur on other people to bash the xbox. It starts a nasty trend and this forum is getting run into the ground.
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run into the ground? this forum is statistically busier than ever
if one or two people leave cause we bash the xbox cause of its OBVIOUS shortcomings, than so be it
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Originally posted by Bossieman
I have used Sony products for decades and never have i been dissapointed, I have nice Sony 32" widescreen Awsome TV,
A Sony MD, VCR and other Sony products. They have proven their name again and again. [/QUOTE
Funny how people forget the Betamax ;)
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The Betamax was a great VCR. I wish the buying public was smart enough to realize this.
Ace
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The Betamax may have been a great VCR, but it was a flop. Sony wouldn\'t allow any other companies to make VCR\'s with that format. Very shortsighted on their part. VHS on the otherhand became very popular because other manufacturers were allowed to make it.
Also the price was a problem too. Since you had a variety of brands to chose from with VHS it was more affordable. Call it a marketing blunder, but it was still a failure. Sony has learned since then in some respects, but occasionally Sony reverts back to its former practices ie not licensing 3rd party accessories such as memory cards for the PS2. That is just idiotic.
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Agreed. I forget how it all panned out then but I do remember the short recording times of the video tapes and the cost of a Betamax way back then.
It\'s still too bad that we have VHS and not Beta in our living rooms. :)
Ace
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And my point always has been that the PS2 has just as many OBVIOUS shortcomings.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
And my point always has been that the PS2 has just as many OBVIOUS shortcomings.
hey all consoles come with that (PS2... DC...X BOX.. Gamecube etc...etc)
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Yes, and that\'s all I\'ve ever said--you can be dissappointed with xbox, but that comes with being dissappointed with...I\'m tired...
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Yes, and that\'s all I\'ve ever said--you can be dissappointed with xbox, but that comes with being dissappointed with...I\'m tired...
No problem mate !
you don\'t need to worry
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Yes, and that\'s all I\'ve ever said--you can be dissappointed with xbox, but that comes with being dissappointed with...I\'m tired...
My only gripe with the Xbox are the games they have released. Beyond Halo and Munch, the best of what is left are racing games. I love PGR, but damn, it would be like owning all fighting games... I need some variety and by that I mean quality games, not the trash they have been releasing. I know its still early, but as I stated in a previous post I had some extra cash and wanted to add to my Xbox library and I really had a difficult time picking out something. Either I had it already for the PS2 (which I won\'t be buying anymore games for until they SUPPLY us with some memory cards :mad: ) or I thought I wouldn\'t enjoy it...
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Its ok to hate a video gaming machine not really logical but everyone has an opinion. My only problem with it is if it was me there could be some measure of enjoyment I could be missing and I dont like to put all my eggs in one basket like I did with the saturn. Because at one time I hated Sony and blamed them for the failure of the saturn and the fact that they said they were going to run the PC out with the PS2 that was really silly. I love my PS2, PC and Xbox more than ever the PS2 being the best console I have ever owned(at least until the Xbox can show me some stellar titles). No more. Wherever the best gaming is that is where I will be no matter how it is delivered. Besides hating something is a waste of time and steals time and effort from the soul. I say if it is worth it to you get it and if it is not forget about it. Thanks.
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