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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Eiksirf on March 17, 2002, 06:39:19 AM
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Aside from the default "wrestling is [negative adjective]" replies, I was interested in who was getting the PPV and who you might think will win.
Here\'s the card and my picks...
(Possible for Heat)
Scotty, Albert, Rikishi vs Test, Mr. Perfect, Lance Storm
Scotty, Albert, Rikishi (to hype up the crowd)
Euro Title
Christian vs. DDP
Tough to call, my guess is Christian regains the title to set up a feud with DDP for awhile.
Kane vs. Angle
I\'m not sure what has kept this feud going, but I look for Angle to come on top.
Booker T vs Edge
I look for hometown favorite Edge to pull out the win in what should be a pretty fun match to watch.
Woman\'s Title
Lita vs Jazz vs Trish
Even though Trish is Canadian, I think it might be Lita\'s time to shine. Still, I\'ll go with the unexpected and say Jazz will retain.
Tag Title
Chuck, Billy vs Hardys vs APA vs Dudleys
Who knows, I predict everyone goes hard to try and beat past Wrestlemania tag matches, but in the end Billy and Chuck sneak the victory.
Intercontinental Title
RVD vs Regal
It\'s time to start pushing RVD hard again, I see him going over Regal in a great match, brass knucks or not.
No DQ Match
Undertaker vs Ric Flair
The Taker is undefeated at Wrestlemania and while conventional wisdom might suggest they\'ll put Flair over just because, I think Flair is too old and will go down bloody to the Taker. Taker is going to make it 10-0.
Stone Cold vs Scott Hall
Well, you know Kevin Nash has to do something, so I expect him to come down during what should be a great match to give Scott Hall the assist and the win.
WWF Title
HHH vs Jericho
I really, really want Jericho to retain here, but it just won\'t happen. HHH will get his revenge on everyone, even putting Stephanie through an announcers table in dramatic fashion.
The Rock vs Hulk Hogan
The real winners here are the fans. These two can play to the crowd like no other and this match should be a blast to watch. I look for Rock to come out on top, hopefully in a clean manner. Who knows, though, with the nWo and their knack for screwing up main events. We\'ll see!
-Eik
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Euro Title
Christian vs. DDP
Tough to call, my guess is Christian regains the title to set up a feud with DDP for awhile.
I\'ll disagree on this one. DDP has the better angle and character going for him.
Kane vs. Angle
I\'m not sure what has kept this feud going, but I look for Angle to come on top.
I agree, Angle has solidified himself as a main eventer, losing to someone like kane who is already past his prime would drag him down. Angle is too popular(ok unpopular) at the moment to drop this match.
Booker T vs Edge
I look for hometown favorite Edge to pull out the win in what should be a pretty fun match to watch.
Again, I will agree. Booker T just doesn\'t belong in this division. This match is one of the less desirable, but surely Edge will win.
Woman\'s Title
Lita vs Jazz vs Trish
Even though Trish is Canadian, I think it might be Lita\'s time to shine. Still, I\'ll go with the unexpected and say Jazz will retain.
I disagree. I never really liked Lita, but her chances look pretty good. Trish is purely eye candy, she doesn\'t know how to wrestle that well.
Tag Title
Chuck, Billy vs Hardys vs APA vs Dudleys
Who knows, I predict everyone goes hard to try and beat past Wrestlemania tag matches, but in the end Billy and Chuck sneak the victory.
I agree. How can I go against my favorite wrestler. Chuck and Billy have risen to the top over the past few months, even though their gimmick is kinda strange. They\'ve finally been accepted by the fans, and the wins will keep rolling in.
Intercontinental Title
RVD vs Regal
It\'s time to start pushing RVD hard again, I see him going over Regal in a great match, brass knucks or not.
Definite win for RVD here as Eik said. It seems right to put someone like RVD in World Title matches, but IC title, i see a clean cut win for RVD.
No DQ Match
Undertaker vs Ric Flair
The Taker is undefeated at Wrestlemania and while conventional wisdom might suggest they\'ll put Flair over just because, I think Flair is too old and will go down bloody to the Taker. Taker is going to make it 10-0.
Wow, that\'s an interesting fact Eik. I will agree aswell. Plain and simple there is no way they can have Flair without some MAJOR interference. I see Taker walking all over Flair.
Stone Cold vs Scott Hall
Well, you know Kevin Nash has to do something, so I expect him to come down during what should be a great match to give Scott Hall the assist and the win.
Well said, and I thought I\'d be the only one expecting Scott Hall to win. Great match none the less. I expect this to be better than Rock/Hogan.
WWF Title
HHH vs Jericho
I really, really want Jericho to retain here, but it just won\'t happen. HHH will get his revenge on everyone, even putting Stephanie through an announcers table in dramatic fashion.
I must disagree with you here. It\'s HHH\'s time to shine. Jericho has been great as a champion, but he needs a rest. He\'s worn out his bad guy image and needs to pass the torch to Trips until KOTR.
The Rock vs Hulk Hogan
The real winners here are the fans. These two can play to the crowd like no other and this match should be a blast to watch. I look for Rock to come out on top, hopefully in a clean manner. Who knows, though, with the nWo and their knack for screwing up main events. We\'ll see![/B]
I\'ll say Hogan the winner. It\'s the more reasonable thing to happen. The rock has a good 10 years ahead of him, Hogan is very much nearing the end. I say it as a tribute to Hogan that\'ll he\'ll come out on top, in a very AMERICAN fashion.
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I believe they added a Hardcore title Match to the card: MAven (c) VS Golddust. I see the 24/7 rule used in this one and alot more superstars getting
into it. Maven might sqeak this one out tho.......
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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HHH will win, he\'s waY to powerfull backstage, to lose at WM. And the Rock will win because Hogan got the better of him on Monday. The thing that annoys me about this match is it\'s dubbed, as being the match to crown the best ever wrestler. The Rock is at the top of his game and Hogan is almost 50, I guess this means if I punch Muhammad Ali in the face and knock him out, it makes me the best boxer of all time.
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Originally posted by theomen
The Rock is at the top of his game and Hogan is almost 50, I guess this means if I punch Muhammad Ali in the face and knock him out, it makes me the best boxer of all time.
your thinking too much... thats not allowed when watching wrestling.
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w00t! 4-4 (not counting HC title)
So far:
RVD pinned Regal w/ 5 Star Splash (New IC Champ)
DDP pinned Christian w/ Diamond Cutter (Retains Euro title)
Kurt Angle pinned Kane via rope leverage.
Taker pinned Flair w/ damn bloody mess!
BTW, Right now The Hurricane is the Hardcore champ. First was Spike Dudley, then the fight ensued and Hurricane ran off.
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Originally posted by Luke
your thinking too much... thats not allowed when watching wrestling.
Oops, my bad, pass me a beer!!.... Ah that\'s better...
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alcoholics arent the only ones that watch wrestling you know...
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update:
Edge defeats Booker T w/ Edge-o-nator
Tag team title Match.
APA Eliminated first.
Dudleyz Eliminated second.
Billy uses title belt on Jeff Hardy to get the pinfall.
Chuck and Billy retain :)
The Rock defeats Hogan w/ 4x Rock Bottom
Post match, Rock and Hogan shake hands. Nash/Hall turn on Hogan, Rock comes to rescue.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
update:
Edge defeats Booker T w/ Edge-o-nator
Tag team title Match.
APA Eliminated first.
Dudleyz Eliminated second.
Billy uses title belt on Jeff Hardy to get the pinfall.
Chuck and Billy retain :)
The Rock defeats Hogan w/ 4x Rock Bottom
Post match, Rock and Hogan shake hands. Nash/Hall turn on Hogan, Rock comes to rescue.
And they all lived happily ever after?
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Yes. Then Rock and Hogan held hands and pranced together in a field of flowers.
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damn seems like some people here have some disturbing gay fanatsies.
as for Hogan, I\'m glad to see him take a face turn, but then again it could just be another angle,and Hogan will turn on the Rock tomarrow.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
update:
Edge defeats Booker T w/ Edge-o-nator
Tag team title Match.
APA Eliminated first.
Dudleyz Eliminated second.
Billy uses title belt on Jeff Hardy to get the pinfall.
Chuck and Billy retain :)
The Rock defeats Hogan w/ 4x Rock Bottom
Post match, Rock and Hogan shake hands. Nash/Hall turn on Hogan, Rock comes to rescue.
Hey ass...for people that didnt want to know, ya think you could have posted a spoiler alert, then posted results a few lines down? I watched it all, but still, come on man!!
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***Spoiler***
****Last chance to turn back****
HHH wins!!
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God damn! That was unreal. Hogan and Rock tore the friggin house down. Everything else ruled, too; awesome PPV. Let\'s see how I did.
more spoilers
-Scotty, Albert, Rikishi (to hype up the crowd)-
Got it :)
-Christian-
Nope...
-I\'m not sure what has kept this feud going, but I look for Angle to come on top.-
I\'m still not entirely sure, but I was right.
-Edge-
Guessed it. Billy I disagree with you, Booker is a great wrestler. He\'s entertaining too, what with the spinning and the facials. Booker/Benoit Best of Seven, need I say more?
-Still, I\'ll go with the unexpected and say Jazz will retain.-
Gotcha on this one, Billy. Now we\'re even since you guessed the Euro match.
-Billy and Chuck sneak the victory-
They did, and it was a pretty good match, too. Everyone got their spots. Farooq\'s spinebuster to the floor was evil.
-RVD-
They don\'t call him Mr. Pay-Per-View for nothing!
-I think Flair is too old and will go down bloody to the Taker. Taker is going to make it 10-0.-
Right on both counts. Taker even counted all ten fingers and raised his hands in victory at the end. That ruled because every finger stood for another fallen superstar. Decade of destruction is right. :) (I always loved the Dead Man)
-Scott Hall-
Surprise, surprise, the nWo got shut out!
-HHH-
At least he got to hit Stephanie, though I still wish Jericho won.
-The real winners here are the fans. These two can play to the crowd like no other and this match should be a blast to watch. I look for Rock to come out on top, hopefully in a clean manner.-
The fans sure did win. Those two played the crowd like you wouldn\'t believe. Stellar match with the post-celebration taking the cake. New feud set up and seeing Hogan and Rock leave up the ramp together was crazy. Passing the torch, indeed. People will always remember that match.
Fantastic PPV, imo. I\'m looking forward to see where they start heading on Raw. There\'s that "extension" happening soon and The Outsiders have some fighting to do. Should be good, as long as Steph stays out of the picture for the most part.
-Eik
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DAmn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wished The Rock would have turned bad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! damnit dmanit damnit ! so close ! and of course my favorite \' Austin won :P
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Maybe now Hogan looks to have moved away from the NWO he can make a final bow as the Hogan of old with his yellow trunks and Real American theme tune!!!
That would be so cool!!
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Hogan should have won that match. It was his first singles match back in the WWF. I wonder if that\'s his last. The crowd was booing the Rock. "ROCKY SUCKS" was heard for the first time since he was in the Nation of Domination.
I was hoping we would have a new member to the NWO.
If Trish\'s butt gets any rounder I may have to bite my hand off while I watch.
[size=8]D A M N[/size]
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I definitely have to say that this truly was one of the best wrestling Pay Per Views I have seen in a long time. Great events, great matches, great wrestling, and lots of fan service. Overall, it was a completely great event and I was glad to be a part of it.
I\'d like to ask, what did you think was the best match of the night was?
In my opinion, except for the ending, the best wrestling match had to go to Kane and Angle. Although they botched the ending by making a rookie mistake of messing up ring placement, the rest of the match was truly amazing. Very impressive overall and I was happy to see angle win.
The worst wrestling match of the night, technically, was Ric Flair vs Undertaker. I\'m sorry, but sending these cream puffs (Flair was great in his day, but it\'s about 10 days later now) Undertaker\'s way is sad. We need another Nash\\Undertaker match and soon.
The best match of the night (storyline wise) was Hogan vs the Rock. Amazing. I was speechless when it ended, fair and suare, without any interruption. The ending was just the icing on the cake and it did a great service to every fan watching at home and in the arena. The WWF sure does now how to make a damn good PPV when they want to.
Now... all that\'s left is the return of the Red, Yellow, and the classic American rock intro and the circle will be complete.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
If Trish\'s butt gets any rounder I may have to bite my hand off while I watch.
[size=8]D A M N[/size]
WORD
Being an expert on the female booty I can truly say she has one of the finest poopers I\'ve ever layed eyes on.
muy spankable!
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Well i tough it was pretty good ppv , but there was alot of mistakes , like Kurt having trouble lifting Kane and kane landing right on his face and all . But all in all it was good ! i wish Hulk comes back as a good guy and The rock becomes bad
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Originally posted by Ryu
The best match of the night (storyline wise) was Hogan vs the Rock. Amazing. I was speechless when it ended, fair and suare, without any interruption. The ending was just the icing on the cake and it did a great service to every fan watching at home and in the arena. The WWF sure does now how to make a damn good PPV when they want to.
Now... all that\'s left is the return of the Red, Yellow, and the classic American rock intro and the circle will be complete.
I was very happy to see the match end fairly, I was worried that due to the two ego\'s going against eachother, the writing staff would have some interference, that way both could claim they are the better.
And I can\'t wait to here that familiar music and see the return of the true red and yellow Hulkster! I must admit I\'m an old school hulkamaniac.
Oh BTW, is anybody else wondering what will happen with the nWO, I figure either it will gain a new member (possibly X-Pac, or even maybe HHH), or it might disolve and we\'ll just have the Outsiders. Personally I would like to see HBK, HHH, Nash and Hall join up an form the Clique, but I\'m not going to hold my breath.
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Damn, nWo is nothing without Hogan... And the nWo is my most favorite group. No more nWo????? :(
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Best match of the night
- Hogan vs. Rock
i have never heard the crowd go off as much as they did in this match, not even at last years wrestlemania during the main event, or the street fight.. or any other time.. even though im a huyge rocky fan i loved every second of it, especially when he adjusted his character mid-fight and started using heel tactics (taunting the crowd, grabbing a chair, spitting on Hogan\'s belt and his own hand etc. etc.).. rock to me seems like someone who would have been offended by the boos but this just showed his character..
second best match of the night
- Angle vs. Kane
Angle has prooven time and time again to be the best performer who has the ability to improve the in-ring of any wrestler he goes against. Belly-Belly vs. Kane was sweet, so was every other move. NO ONE takes hits like Angle.. and he is especially good in cage matched :D (ok, you guessed it he is my favorite)
third best match
- tag team championship
good match, plenty of moves, Hardyz should have won, but the hilarious Billy + Chucky won it.. even though they suck in the ring.. i just find it funny that two huge grown men, have to stoop to homosexual inuendo to have a career of beating people up.. :)
biggest disappointment
- what they did with the hardcore title was good and all, but the Big Show was no where to be seen and he really could have made that night.. giving it back to maven without even letting Big Show go nuts was stupid, the crowd would have gone off.. but he had to settle for WWF New York
second biggest disappointment
- main event. was a pretty good match, but it shouldnt have been the main event.. the crowd were NOT into it.. had it been just after the main event, or preferrably just before it, it would have gone off, but with the womens championship just inbetween it.. it sucked ass..
highlight of the night
- Stacy Keibler\'s outfit :eyemouth: that god damn Saliva singer got to touch the boo-tey *jealous*
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
The Rock vs Hulk Hogan
-Eik
:laughing: :laughing:
Biggest Shameful PR stunt since the Rock ... bill Gates and the x box thing !
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Originally posted by ooseven
:laughing: :laughing:
Biggest Shameful PR stunt since the Rock ... bill Gates and the x box thing !
..eh? by that logic any wrestling match is a PR stunt.. :\\ Hogan was a part of the nWo the biggest rating force WCW ever saw, and bringing them to WWF was meant to boost ratings (although it didnt) Hogan needed to fight someone, who better than The Rock??
boohiss!
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So, is hogan out of the nWo???? If so, it looks like it will only be the Outsiders for awhile......
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from what I hear they will be adding new members tonight on raw the rumored
people are: HHH, X-Pac and Undertaker.
:hat:scottyJ:hat:
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I like the Rock and I like Hogan but that match was not so hot.
I really enjoyed Flair vs UnderTaker b/c AA RAN IN FOR THE SPINEBUSTER! HELL YEAH!
I wish RVD vs Regal would have been longer. It was one of the best last night.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
I like the Rock and I like Hogan but that match was not so hot.
are you crazy?? the wrestling itself wasnt so good, but it doesnt matter, its still the best match ive ever seen.. it was unbelievable..
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
are you crazy?? the wrestling itself wasnt so good, but it doesnt matter, its still the best match ive ever seen.. it was unbelievable..
I agree, wrestling is like a movie. And one of the most important parts to a movie or a match is the plot, and the idea of the Rock and Hogan going at it, is Oscar quality.
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I\'m bump\'n this up for people to talk about RAW. I\'m watching the start of it right now, and the promo w/ Hogan is absolutley breath-taking.
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End sucked.... nWo countout... WTF?
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ending sucked, but how awesome was that guy with Paul Heiman!?!? Bearhhug Frontslam (farooq spinebuster), some sort of, rack to pancake, then a TRIPPLE POWERBOMB!! :eek::eek::eek: sweeeeeeet
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sweet ??? think about poor spike ! ouch ! :eek:
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Yea that guy was one of the developmental talents who trains in dark matches and in the developmental territories. It\'s great to see him because that makes the upcoming extension look like it might actually get more guys on tv.
The show was great, though. The crowd was really into it. I told my girlfriend "Do you think we could\'ve started a \'na na na na, hey hey...\' chant?" and then thirty seconds later they started doing it.
But the show was great and the countout was cool because they never do that and it keeps that hot match fresh for giving it away next week or on a ppv.
The draft will be compelling, McMahon\'s interview was actually good, everything came off the way Raw should be. I\'m psyched going into Smackdown off a great PPV and Raw. Seems like maybe someone lit a fire under the writing team\'s asses.
One guy said "Wrestlemania was a great end to an otherwise \'1000 monkeys at 1000 typewriters\' year for the WWF creative team." So far so good.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
are you crazy?? the wrestling itself wasnt so good, but it doesnt matter, its still the best match ive ever seen.. it was unbelievable..
It was like 5 minutes long. Not enough close calls. Not enough kickouts at the 2.5 count. Not enough pin attempts, not enough submission attempts, no top rope moves. I could go on...
Between 2 equally matched opponents the match should go back and forth and come close to each winning multiple times. This is Wrestlemania, not RAW, not Smackdown. They had all night to go at each other and ended it way too soon.
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It\'s time to bring in Scott Steiner.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
..eh? by that logic any wrestling match is a PR stunt.. :\\ Hogan was a part of the nWo the biggest rating force WCW ever saw, and bringing them to WWF was meant to boost ratings (although it didnt) Hogan needed to fight someone, who better than The Rock??
boohiss!
its because Hogan is soo old fear that he may have a heart attack trying to get into the ring ;)
only joke\'n only joke\'n ..........
:p
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Big Poppa Pump, The Big Bad Booty Daddy!
Scott Steiner rules buddy.
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Scott Steiner sux ass... Especially when he opens that mouth of his, he has no idea what the hell he\'s saying.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
It was like 5 minutes long. Not enough close calls. Not enough kickouts at the 2.5 count. Not enough pin attempts, not enough submission attempts, no top rope moves. I could go on...
Between 2 equally matched opponents the match should go back and forth and come close to each winning multiple times. This is Wrestlemania, not RAW, not Smackdown. They had all night to go at each other and ended it way too soon.
it doesnt matter man, im not talking about the wrestling itself, but the match was fuggin\' unbelievable... the CROWD WENT OFF..
did you have it on mute? NEVER have i heard the crowd like that.. unreal
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Yeah but the crowd is not why I watch wrestling. It was a good match but I thought it could have been a lot better. It should have been the main event really.
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I still think King of the Ring is the best overall PPV of the year.
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Steiner wont be back till his foot heals........maybe n 2-5 months...they wanted hime for the NWO invasion but his foot wasnt 100% and they want him at 100% when he comes back.
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Originally posted by serrano007
Scott Steiner sux ass... Especially when he opens that mouth of his, he has no idea what the hell he\'s saying.
i admit his mic skills are his weak point.
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I WANT EARNEST MILLER BACK!!!
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
I still think King of the Ring is the best overall PPV of the year.
pfft, get off your Billy Gunn pedastal..
Kind of the Ring would have been so **** last year if it werent for the AWESOME street fight (Kurt Angle rules, Shane O\' Mac isnt too bad either) and the above average main event..
Edge should NOT have won, Rhyno should have, Edge is a pathetioc, and is on my list with the likes of X-Pac and Spike for most hated wrestlers..
heres hoping that someone good wins it this year... ugh, worsst PPV of last year, IMO
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Originally posted by KillaX
Steiner wont be back till his foot heals........maybe n 2-5 months...they wanted hime for the NWO invasion but his foot wasnt 100% and they want him at 100% when he comes back.
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
he should just buy some chit for his foot like his arms :)
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
I WANT EARNEST MILLER BACK!!!
1 more coolness point for you Rob...
The Cat rules...
"SOMEBODY CALL MY MOMMA"!
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LOCK THE DOORS CAUSE I\'M A WHOOP EVERYBODY IN HERE!
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the big guys name is Brock Lesnar (sp) he can do a sunset flip! this guy is huge and he can pull one off! I guess Paul Heyman is coming back as a manager......I cant stand his voice!
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Originally posted by Luke
1 more coolness point for you Rob...
The Cat rules...
"SOMEBODY CALL MY MOMMA"!
"sit down before I kick all yo teeth out"
"yea..both of em"
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Originally posted by KillaX
the big guys name is Brock Lesnar (sp) he can do a sunset flip! this guy is huge and he can pull one off! I guess Paul Heyman is coming back as a manager......I cant stand his voice!
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
Dude I can do a sunset flip. I think you mean something else like a moonsault maybe?
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I hear he throws a mean hip toss, too. ;]
I\'ll tell you what, though, the Cat was ok but really he sucked. Instead I\'d take Lenny Lane. I started taping all of his matches because he lost each week to different guys. It was funny but then they yanked him off tv after that.
-Eik
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bob-o, where is Rhyno now?
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Dude I can do a sunset flip. I think you mean something else like a moonsault maybe?
maybe it was....or was it a shooting star press.........some sort of aerial flip.
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Rhyno injured his shoulder or something. Aint coming back for another few months.
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Originally posted by KillaX
maybe it was....or was it a shooting star press.........some sort of aerial flip.
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
youre thinking of a Shooting Star Press.. those are harder to do than a moonsault ( and a sunset flip :laughing: )
yah, Brock Lessner, he should rock.. hope he has mic skills
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I\'m a little worried about Brock, he reminds me alot of Goldberg. And when Goldberg hit the scene everyone was a mark for him, but they made his character very one dimentional, and he lacked mic skills, hopefully they bring Brock along slowly, and let him develop his character.
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Originally posted by theomen
I\'m a little worried about Brock, he reminds me alot of Goldberg. And when Goldberg hit the scene everyone was a mark for him, but they made his character very one dimentional, and he lacked mic skills, hopefully they bring Brock along slowly, and let him develop his character.
bah screw that, ive been waiting for a Goldberg-esque character in the WWF for a long time
but i do think he will progress slowly among the ranks.. im guessing hardcore title or sumfin
*hasnt seen smackdown yet though*
and Paul Heyman rocks
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
yah, Brock Lessner, he should rock.. hope he has mic skills
He won\'t need them with Paul Heyman. Can\'t wait for another great Heyman promo.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
He won\'t need them with Paul Heyman. Can\'t wait for another great Heyman promo.
-Eik
true dat
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I miss ECW so much.