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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: BizioEE on March 18, 2002, 10:10:59 AM
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Infogrames\' popular series adopts some interesting RPG elements for the latest incarnation, while GameCube and Xbox versions wait in the wings. New screens inside
18:16 Earlier this week, Infogrames held the first ever public showing of V-Rally 3, the latest in Eden Studios\' critically acclaimed rally driving series. With a fully playable version on show, complete with numerous tracks and vehicles we were able to get a very good idea of what to expect from the final version, due for release in Europe this June.
The first thing you notice is that although the game resembles V-Rally 2\'s visual style, the move onto next-gen has been accompanied by a dramatic leap in performance, with the game boasting stunningly detailed vehicles zipping through large, complex environments, all at a rock solid 60fps. Impressive. With 24 tracks, each of which can be raced in reverse, set in six distinct countries from Sweden to Kenya plus a massive range of real-world rally cars in either 2l or 1.6l class, V-Rally 3 has a robustly authentic flavour.
Indeed, changing the focus from the previous title, V-Rally 3 goes down the simulation route, providing a challenging, realistic racing experience. Two modes of play were on display - Time Attack and Challenge - but the third was shrouded in mystery. This third mode is the V-Rally Mode, which Infogrames is flagging up as the title\'s unique selling point. At the event, we spoke with Stephane Baudet, MD of Eden Studios, who lifted the lid on the secret mode, while hinting at the possibility of Xbox and GameCube versions of the game:
What\'s new for V-Rally 3
Baudet: It\'s tougher than V-Rally 2. The gameplay will be more real but it will keep the same essential visual style.
Why did you choose to move towards simulation?
Baudet: Because we see PS2 players are older and more mature: players who have evolved on from PSone want something more real. We\'ve seen with Gran Turismo that people are more interested in things that are more realistic.
How do you view your title in relation to the competition?
Baudet: The visuals and car physics will always be different from the likes of McCrae. What we\'re also trying to create is a game mode where you can race, but also do things around the race - you won\'t be playing V-Rally 3 in the same way you\'ve been playing other rally games.
One of my biggest disappointments with WRC is that it does nothing new: it\'s quite boring. I think the player wants to have different experiences - I don\'t see where WRC provides this.
What can you tell us about the mysterious V-Rally Mode?
Baudet: What you can expect from the V-Rally mode is sections other than racing. You will experience the same things a rally driver experiences. You have to switch teams, sign contracts, work with the mechanics and work with the team. It\'s based on multiple seasons rather than just one.
You\'re introducing RPG-like elements, then?
Baudet: Yes, and we also have elements like rivals and specific goals where you might not simply have to win a race; it might be different depending on the team you\'re with.
How much involvement have real rally teams had?
Baudet: We have good access to them. It\'s not like Formula One; they\'re really keen to give us information. They play videogames more than we expected, and they know all the games so they can tell us exactly what\'s good and what\'s wrong with each of them.
What\'s your opinion of the PS2?
Baudet: It\'s difficult hardware. The early days were difficult, but now it\'s OK as most of the libraries have been done and there\'s also third-party middleware. To do a title like V-Rally 3 with middleware would have been difficult though, because technique is very important. We had to make sure our engine was better than the one you can buy on the market. The problem with middleware is that all games that use it will look the same. By doing our own engine we can have special effects the others won\'t have.
The lack of multiplayer will come as a disappointment to many. Is this down to technical issues?
Baudet: It\'s more a question of time. We could do a very decent split-screen mode on PS2, but for this particular game we already had a lot to deal with. For the next one though, that could be the next evolution. Given the right time we can provide almost the same quality in split screen in one or two years time, which is good because it means PS2 will keep providing new and different games. Right now we\'re using between 85-90 percent of PS2\'s power, which is equivalent to Gran Turismo 3.
Do you already have plans for V-Rally 4?
Baudet: We have plans for many games. I\'m pretty sure there\'ll be a V-Rally 4 - unless this one isn\'t a success. V-Rally 4 will probably be based more on multiple players.
Will we see V-Rally 3 on Xbox and GameCube as well?
Baudet: It is more of an Infogrames, Microsoft or Nintendo decision. For that kind of title it\'s more a strategy and marketing decision. It\'s very easy to do an Xbox version - I already have one if anybody wants it! We have versions already running on Xbox and GameCube, but those are to learn the machines and nothing has been decided as to whether to bring them to the market or not.
How do the other versions compare in terms of performance?
Baudet: Xbox is far better than the two others. Things are running smoothly without any effort, so with a little effort I\'m sure we can do much better. I think games on the Xbox at the moment really aren\'t pushing the hardware: I don\'t think there\'s anything other than Halo that takes advantage of Xbox. With GameCube, it looks OK but sometimes you are disappointed with the drawing capabilities. We are still very new to the console, but we have encountered disappointments - it\'s no Xbox.
If you get the green light for other versions, how long would it take to turn them around?
Baudet: Given the time, Xbox could be much better than the PS2. If you want the exact same game as PS2, it would be very easy to have an Xbox version.
Is V-Rally 3 going to be released in North America?
Baudet: Yes, I think so. I believe it will be pushed by Subaru in the US, whereas it\'s Peugeot in Europe. We\'re also in discussions with various publishers in Japan.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?domain=&feed=index&page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=26602
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so if halo takes advantage of the xbox, why 30 fps? im blame bungie then now and forever for thier laziness
If you want the exact same game as PS2, it would be very easy to have an Xbox version.
of course, thats it role, the port-box
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He\'s credibility went right down after he said:
Baudet: It\'s more a question of time. We could do a very decent split-screen mode on PS2, but for this particular game we already had a lot to deal with. For the next one though, that could be the next evolution. Given the right time we can provide almost the same quality in split screen in one or two years time, which is good because it means PS2 will keep providing new and different games. Right now we\'re using between 85-90 percent of PS2\'s power, which is equivalent to Gran Turismo 3.
PS2 is not maxed out by 85 to 90 percent by Gran Turismo 3. And how should they know how much GT3 pushes anyway. Infogrames is a 3rd party based in France, while Polyphony is from Japan. IMHO, Baudet is just trying to justify the "awesome" achievements of Infogrames on PS2 with V-Rally 3 which indeed do look crap based on the last few screens.
And if this guy thinks GT3 maxes out PS2 by 85 to 90%, then I seriously can\'t take the following and the red marked comments serious:
Given the time, Xbox could be much better than the PS2. If you want the exact same game as PS2, it would be very easy to have an Xbox version.
:rolleyes:
EDIT: Quoted the wrong text. ;)
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BizioEE, great news! :D
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Yeah.. RRV used 90% of PS2. So did NHL2001 (read in the manual) :rolleyes:
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Should be interesting to see if the graphics of WRC2 will out shine those of V-R3 on PS2 in any major way.
A thread on hype for WRC2 (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18740)
Martin Kenwright, head honcho at Evolution Studios gives first, exclusive details of his Sony first-party sequel and it sounds hot
15:35 Martin Kenwright and Evolution Studios are to release a PlayStation 2 technical marvel later this year, if the developer\'s ultra-confident frontman is to be believed. Following our unveiling of the sequel to World Rally Championship yesterday, we snagged first details on the PlayStation 2 title, scheduled to ship this Christmas, from the horse\'s mouth.
"It\'s all part of the long-term plan. When we conceived WRC a couple of years ago it was all part of just building up the Evolution Studios brand," said Kenwright. "From a technology standpoint, we\'ve doubled the amount of objects we can draw and quadrupled the amount of effects. We\'ve been able to draw two to three times further into the distance."
Technology is the name of the game here, and Kenwright is more than confident about facing up to some considerable rally competition towards the end of this year. "It was a bit like a shakedown for the 2002 version," he said. "We know what worked and we know what didn\'t. Instead of sitting on one game for three or four years and getting it right, we\'ve had the luxury of learning from things that could be improved upon and making them a magnitude better. The overall technology, the rendering, the way it all looks and feels is going to be fairly revolutionary... It\'s up there with only a couple of games in the world that are really pushing the envelope on number of polygons per second on PlayStation 2. We\'re probably going to be drawing more polygons than an Xbox game can do."
New rendering technology will allow incredible levels of realism on the cars themselves, Kenwright added, when combined with professional image-capturing of the various machines. "We\'re gagging to show people, he said. "We\'ve seen competitors games already and they look like WRC. We stopped thinking about that two years ago and we\'re on another planet."
More Power to you, Big Martin. You\'ll get first details and a first look at what should be an astonishing looking game at E3 in May.
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There goes Seven again telling people IN the industry with HANDS-ON impressions without any ties to any company that they don\'t know what they are talking about.
So we are supposed to believe you then? I dont\' know what is more startling or offensive, your arrogance or ignorance.
ANd just because it\'s taking advance of the xbox doesn\'t mean it\'s pushing it. Halo was done on unfinished hardware, with a very tight time frame. Why always the negativity? Liek I\'ve said a thousand times, there are far greater graphical problems on the PS2.
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So we are supposed to believe you then? I dont\' know what is more startling or offensive, your arrogance or ignorance.
Well, we have sony that says GT3 uses about 25% (i\'m more opted to belive about 50%)
and this company who says 80 to 90%
Who do we belive, I already know your answer.. xbox fanboy
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Yes, Chrono you are speaking about the Performance Analyzer 2 that was issued by Sony (2nd party more specifically) to analyze their own hardware.
You know what, I can write a program that will analyze my 286 and it will tell me that FFX only uses .01% of my system\'s resources. Would you trust that? What if Bungie released a Performance Analyzer that told everyone that Project Gothem only uses 2% of the systems power. Would you believe that too?
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Originally posted by Watchdog
There goes Seven again telling people IN the industry with HANDS-ON impressions without any ties to any company that they don\'t know what they are talking about.
So we are supposed to believe you then? I dont\' know what is more startling or offensive, your arrogance or ignorance.
ANd just because it\'s taking advance of the xbox doesn\'t mean it\'s pushing it. Halo was done on unfinished hardware, with a very tight time frame. Why always the negativity? Liek I\'ve said a thousand times, there are far greater graphical problems on the PS2.
Watchdog...seven is simply a member who loves his PS2...he\'s no credibility...don\'t waste your time...
Baudet: Xbox is far better than the two others. Things are running smoothly without any effort,so with a little effort I\'m sure we can do much better. I think games on the Xbox at the moment really aren\'t pushing the hardware: I don\'t think there\'s anything other than Halo that takes advantage of Xbox. With GameCube, it looks OK but sometimes you are disappointed with the drawing capabilities. We are still very new to the console, but we have encountered disappointments - it\'s no Xbox.
If you get the green light for other versions, how long would it take to turn them around?
Baudet: Given the time, Xbox could be much better than the PS2. If you want the exact same game as PS2, it would be very easy to have an Xbox version.
I don\'t think there\'s anything other than Halo that takes advantage of Xbox
Taking advantage of the XBox doesn\'t mean dev are using almost all the power of this console...
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There goes Seven again telling people IN the industry with HANDS-ON impressions without any ties to any company that they don\'t know what they are talking about.
So we are supposed to believe you then? I dont\' know what is more startling or offensive, your arrogance or ignorance.
LOL. So I get called being arrogantic or ignorant just because I state the obvious (which Xbox fanboys obviously choose not to see). So if I\'m ignorant, then you are by all means too Watchdog. ;)
You know what, I can write a program that will analyze my 286 and it will tell me that FFX only uses .01% of my system\'s resources. Would you trust that? What if Bungie released a Performance Analyzer that told everyone that Project Gothem only uses 2% of the systems power. Would you believe that too?
The Performance Analizer started off as a PSX hardware tool that helped developers to find areas where performance could be increased. The PA2 has been (or is being) shipped to PS2-developers to help them on developments. It\'s not a tool to generate hype by all means. Seems to me that Watchdog likes to complain about fanboys and their Xbox bashing around here, but when someone posts is a bit critical or posts something PS2 pro he goes down to their level aswell.
Now who ever in here thinks that Polyphony managed to get out 90% with a 1st generation game on a totally new architecture, is obviously denying something. And hey Watchdog, if you are so convinced by what Baudet has to say, please explain to me where he gets is estimate (85 - 90%) about GT3 from?
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You know what, I can write a program that will analyze my 286 and it will tell me that FFX only uses .01% of my system\'s resources. Would you trust that? What if Bungie released a Performance Analyzer that told everyone that Project Gothem only uses 2% of the systems power. Would you believe that too?
How extreme can you get?
Its for any developer, why would they create a program that would post fake results if 3rd parties would use it?
sheese...
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Seven knows what’s he\'s talking about.. Unlike several other people in here.
I talked to a guy at Appeal about the PA2.
He said this..
We don\'t have the PA yet. Sony is now recalling the older devkits to add the hard drive, but it seems the integrated PA are still not available.
I\'ve seen some PA grabs of GT3 and it is true they were not using the PS2 to its full perf, but up to what point, I don\'t know.
Ive talked to another developer (he worked as a graphics programmer on the team that made that NFL game on PS2(sorry forgot the name.. Im not into NFL..))
He said the numbers 2nd party released were true (they were later confirmed by SCEE). He is working with PA2 on their new game.
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Yes, Chrono you are speaking about the Performance Analyzer 2 that was issued by Sony (2nd party more specifically) to analyze their own hardware.
You know what, I can write a program that will analyze my 286 and it will tell me that FFX only uses .01% of my system\'s resources. Would you trust that? What if Bungie released a Performance Analyzer that told everyone that Project Gothem only uses 2% of the systems power. Would you believe that too?
The Performance Analyzer isn\'t something that Sony invented to hype up their machine. It is an machine that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. It was designed to help the developers find areas in the PS2 that they could improve on, not to put out a number that fanboys across the world can throw around. :) IMO the developers are just trying to hype up their game by not only putting it on the same level as GT3, but also by saying it uses the PS2 to nearly its full capacity.
And to comment on the red text,
Xbox is far better than the two others. Things are running smoothly without any effort, so with a little effort I\'m sure we can do much better. I think games on the Xbox at the moment really aren\'t pushing the hardware: I don\'t think there\'s anything other than Halo that takes advantage of Xbox. With GameCube, it looks OK but sometimes you are disappointed with the drawing capabilities. We are still very new to the console, but we have encountered disappointments - it\'s no Xbox.
We already knew about the NGC\'s limitations compared to the Xbox. It is already known that it is easier to tap the power of the Xbox than the PS2 and NGC. The Xbox was designed to be easy to program and powerful at the same time. This guy is just saying things that have been said many times before. It\'s nothing to get excited about.
Given the time, Xbox could be much better than the PS2. If you want the exact same game as PS2, it would be very easy to have an Xbox version.
Someone tell that to the Spyhunter developers. :p
But really, isn\'t he stating the obvious? The Xbox is two years newer than the PS2. If it couldn\'t handle games that the PS2 can, it would be pathetic. That is why, like MM already stated, the Xbox is often called the portbox -- because it\'s easy money for the developers.
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Originally posted by mm
so if halo takes advantage of the xbox, why 30 fps? im blame bungie then now and forever for thier laziness
of course, thats it role, the port-box
//ooseven sits and ponders !
FLOP BOX nope
Hype Box nope
Port Box nope
Ripp off Box ... maybe :rolleyes:
SH^&E BOX yeah :D
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p.s.
even though has as much of a X Box Zelot as PStwo can be... how much do you want to bet that BizioEE doesn\'t even own a X box !
:rolleyes:
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*gasp* the horror!
:eek:
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Originally posted by mm
*gasp* the horror!
:eek:
woops did i go to far
as the samwise said to the womens football team !
p.s.
ill take that back , what i said about BizioEE
he has a X box now , i read it in one of the other threads !
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Originally posted by ooseven
p.s.
even though has as much of a X Box Zelot as PStwo can be... how much do you want to bet that BizioEE doesn\'t even own a X box !
:rolleyes:
Try and stay on top of things mate. Haven\'t you heard? Bizio got a box just the other day.I\'m wondering why he hasn\'t been bombarding us with recent accounts of how great it is to finally own one after spending so much time trying to cram all its superior abilities down the throats of PS2 fans.
[edit: ha, look who\'s talking. Can\'t even keep up myself. Sorry about that double O :o ]
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Hmmm...all I remember was V-Rally 2 on the PS was an incredibly crap game with moon-like gravity and weird physics. Who cares about V-Rally 3,4,5....
Anyway, if the Xbox is so good, why doesn\'t any of the racing games looks like GT3 yet?(Not even that MSR in disguised Project Gotham)
And why is there still so much jagginess in the Crazy Taxi 3(2nd or 3rd gen Xbox game)??(Damn...and I always thought this is a PS2 exclusive feature!! LOL)
Look
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.com.com%2Fgamespot%2Fimages%2F2002%2Fvgnews%2F031502%2Fcrazytaxi%2Fcrazy_screen002.jpg&hash=bcc405ef1785c825c97aa62a5295326eb8e5d901)
Why isn\'t the FSAA in the X-Box being turn on if it\'s so easy to use and so powerful?? (Last i read, no current Xbox game uses FSAA even though it\'s available in the hardware - probably kills the framerates if it\'s turn on).
Finally, I don\'t remember any French developers producing any really jaw dropping graphics with state of the art technology on any console the last few years...so much for credibility.
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Why can I find dozens of articles that say exactly what infogames said?
Why is there no proof of this 75% of untapped power?
Why does it seem like it\'s a coincidence that this machine designed by Sony is the only thing telling us that the PS2 is more powerful (or at least as powerful)?
All you people say where\'s xbox\'s power?, where\'s xbox\'s power. I don\'t see it so it must not be true. This machine that Sony made tells me that the PS2 will be powerful, I\'m going to decide to believe that.
If you guys treated both machines with the same rules and standards then that would be one thing, but it\'s a double standard. What\'s fair game with the PS2, doesn\'t count with the xbox.
When a 3rd party dev that has worked with both machines equally says xbox is way more powerful everyone says they don\'t know what they are talking about.
When a hardware review site says xbox is way more powerful you people say they are biased or don\'t know what they are talking about.
When every publication that has ties to every major game maker and industry insider says xbox is more powerful, you guys say they don\'t know what they are talking about.
BUT, when a Sony developer or their infamous performance analyzer says PS2 is more powerful hey it must be true.
Worse yet, when this nobody Seven says PS2 is way more powerful--damn that must be true to because it agrees with my fragile ideology.
If there was a performance analyzer for xbox that posted similar results for the xbox would anyone of you believe that? NO! And don\'t any of you say otherwise because EVERYONE knows that\'s not true.
And why is it that the xbox or any other system for that matter has never needed a performance analyzer? Why does the Sony machine? Could there be some alterior motive? No, of course not, because that happens to be the company that all you are whores for.
All I ask for is a little logic and reason, but that\'s lost on the bunch of you clowns.
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Originally posted by Heretic
[edit: ha, look who\'s talking. Can\'t even keep up myself. Sorry about that double O :o ]
no problem mate :D
i should learn to vent my anger at M$$$$$$$ much better !
but still i don\'t feal the need to part with 51% more than my American Buddys have to get their X boxes !
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Originally posted by ooseven
woops did i go to far
as the samwise said to the womens football team !
p.s.
ill take that back , what i said about BizioEE
he has a X box now , i read it in one of the other threads !
...as a rule I place a bet when I\'m almost sure to win...take Bizzio\'s advice...do the same:) --->
---> ps : people still waiting for your pic :p
Seven knows what’s he\'s talking about.. Unlike several other people in here.
You said the same about me when I was a Sony tool...I had been talking through my ass for my first 300 posts due to my idiosyncrasy for MS and "love" for Sony...
I\'m not saying that seven,each time,talks through his ass...only that you said the same about me a lot of time in the past!
We already knew about the NGC\'s limitations compared to the Xbox. It is already known that it is easier to tap the power of the Xbox than the PS2 and NGC. The Xbox was designed to be easy to program and powerful at the same time. This guy is just saying things that have been said many times before. It\'s nothing to get excited about.
Nope! XBox is a more complex piece of hardware than GCN and it\'s more difficult to tap!
Who\'s excited? everyone knew that but some tools say PS2 is almost on par in the graphics and sound capabilities...
...quote them...not me!:)
But really, isn\'t he stating the obvious? The Xbox is two years newer than the PS2. If it couldn\'t handle games that the PS2 can, it would be pathetic. That is why, like MM already stated, the Xbox is often called the portbox -- because it\'s easy money for the developers.
Yes...he\'s stating the obvious...so are you suggesting to close any debate about PS2 hardware vs XBox hardware ? It should be great and it could spare a lot of pathetic comments form some Sony tools...
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Racing games are not the be all & end all of how powerful a console is..
i dont think this game gets 90% of the PS2\'s power.. and i dont think WatchDog believes it does either..
and Paul, while i agree GT3 looks better than any XBox racing game, you have to remember that a couple of racing games are not the judging factor of how powerful a console is.. plus GT3 was in developement for 3 years (and then again, not all those 3 years were spent on graphics.. Polyphony did have to redo the whole engine from scratch)
basically.. let the games do the talking and dont put all that much into what developers trying to hype up their games are saying..
we all know XBox is more powerful than PS2.. but the fact that PS2 even compares to XBox is one hell of an achievement :) lets see where it goes..
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Watchdog, that post above shows exactly how bias you are.. damn boy, take a step back and look at the whole picture
I know, MS is perfect and does no wrong,
and sony is a big lieing company who never does anything right..
:rolleyes:
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and Paul, while i agree GT3 looks better than any XBox racing game
Nope! I\'ve compared side by side the Jap version of GT3(developed from some of the best developers of the planet + 3 years of development) and the Pal Rallisport("modest" developers who started the game on unfinished hardware)...
and GT3 does not look better ! ...the mediterranean stages in Rallisport outclass,overal,the rally stages of GT3!
Give the XBox in the hands of Polyphony for 3 years...
XBox is a superior piece of hardware!
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Damn BizioEE, take the xbox outta your ass..
I know you love it, but its just a console
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xengamers.com%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2Felements%2Ffiles%2Frsc26.jpg&hash=68877fdb8f5489132b4ed8440dd667eb9836eabf)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fpreviews2%2Fimage%2Fgtc%2Fgtc_integra_5.jpg&hash=e5776994c25e7f67b3ddadbf79e928034470ce4a)
:laughing: :rolleyes:
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Chrono: Not to be rude or anything..
But the Xbox screen was taken from the framebuffer (clean image).. PS2 shot was taken via the A/V output on the back (bad image quality..blurred pixels) :)
Nope! I\'ve compared side by side the Jap version of GT3(developed from some of the best developers of the planet + 3 years of development) and the Pal Rallisport("modest" developers who started the game on unfinished hardware)...
Yes.. Polyphony are very talented developers. (Boy do they know how to model cars.. The most impressive Ive ever seen) But mind you they started developing GT3 from incomplete development libraries.. There were almost no information on how to develop for PS2 when they started. They had to learn by themselves. (That’s why they made GT2000 and then started all over again)
Now there are development libraries plus alot of useful development tools that help you get more power out of the system.
And I would not call Swedish D.I.C.E modest developers. They have done some great work before. (Dont count Shreck as it was developed by the Canadian team.. Shrek=Teh sukk)
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Whatever Chrono, everything I said in that post is true.
I\'ve never said Sony was evil. I don\'t bash Sony. Man you are thick. You say MS is evil, you bash the machine, you post screen shots, point out jaggies, etc etc. I only try to bring you into the realm of reason and logic. I like my PS2, it\'s complete losers like you that bring every thread down to an xbox bashing session.
When have I ever started a thread let alone bashed a PS2 game? Have I ever pointed out graphical flaws in a screenshot? Have I never had anything positive to say about PS2--infact do I not often praise PS2 games (J&D, Baulder\'s Gate, Maximo)? Have I ever started a thread where I hearalded an xbox game? Have I ever joined one of these threads and played along (with an exception or two--Halo being the most obvious)? Do I ever start a thread with the intention of bashing Sony or PS2? How often have I really had anything negative to say abot Sony?
You see Chrono I don\'t do these things, but flip the consoles/companies around in those questions and ask yourself those questions. You are just as bad as NYPPZ was when he came here, only you avoid the Troll avartar because you love the PS2.
HEY MODS, BE FAIR AND DO THE RIGHT THING WITH CHRONO--I don\'t ask you for much.
And for my part, if PGR doesn\'t look as good as GT3, it is damn close. IMO, Ralisport looks better though (Rali and PGR also have 4-way split screen and although you lose some of the detail the dev spent time putting it in and coding the engine to handle it). But as Bob said, racing games are not a good indication of a machine\'s power. Cars are, afterall, blocky models with shiney textures. FPSs are probably the best--human models, large worlds, draw distance, high quality textures, user controlled cameras etc are all found in FPSs. In racing games you are limited to a track, draw distance can be hidden, there are no real human models, you never get to get close to test the texture quality, etc.
I\'m not saying I agree wit Infogames 100%, but for everyone to completely discredit them is pretty hilarious.
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Damn BizioEE, take the xbox outta your ass..
I know you love it, but its just a console
1) You\'ve chosen ugly pics for both games.
2) You can\'t deliver any judgement comparing pics...at least show movies with in-game graphics.
3) I\'ve compared both games on my TV.
4) I\'m a stallion,no need to do sex with objects like you frustrated kid with a 2 inches cock :p
5) I like the XBox.
6) Chrono is retarded.
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and sony is a big lieing company who never does anything right
No your mistaking them for yourself.
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I like how some people debate by calling someone a fanboy and that is the absolute last word.
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hahaha, I find it so funny that watchdog was crying like a baby a few weeks ago about people dissing his precious xbox and then he does the same thing in this thread, acting like a total fanboy.
Kinda ironic, kinda makes ya look retarded watchdog but that\'s fine by me. I\'m getting a laugh out of it.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
1) You\'ve chosen ugly pics for both games.
2) You can\'t deliver any judgement comparing pics...at least show movies with in-game graphics.
3) I\'ve compared both games on my TV.
4) I\'m a stallion,no need to do sex with objects like you frustrated kid with a 2 inches cock :p
5) I like the XBox.
6) Chrono is retarded.
now come on BizioEE you are pushing it this time ... we all know only one of them comments to be True :D
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Tell me how I\'m acting like a fanboy? Because if I am, then so is everyone else who posted in this thread. Please let me know where I have acted like a total fanboy? How many people here defended the PS2 when DC fanboys came around last year?
If posted what is the absolute truth makes me a fanboy then so be it, but that means by that definition everyone here is.
Read some posts around here--mine and yours if you\'d like. Then make a determination of who is the fanboy.
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hahaha, I find it so funny that watchdog was crying like a baby a few weeks ago about people dissing his precious xbox and then he does the same thing in this thread, acting like a total fanboy.
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Is this English? It makes no sense. Perhaps you should go to school son before you try to argue with grown ups.
Also, it wouldn\'t hurt if you looked up the definition of irony.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Tell me how I\'m acting like a fanboy?.
your NOT !
just ignore him buddy :)
//me hopes that wasn\'t aimed that me ;)
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Thanks ooseven.
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This particular thread was started to offer evidence of xbox having way more power (whatever that means) than PS2 and GC
PS2 fans pointing out evidence the source isn\'t very credible is no proof of a double standard, neither is relying more heavily on info from those who have worked closest with PS2 for a long period of time rather than PC hardware review sites
Somehow the belief PS2 may continue to graphically hold its own against xbox gets interpreted as the xbox is not more powerful. The argument from day one, as far as I\'m concerned, is whether the difference in power would ever be enough to matter to the majority of gamers.
Bob has already summed it up,
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
we all know XBox is more powerful than PS2.. but the fact that PS2 even compares to XBox is one hell of an achievement :) lets see where it goes..
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Bizio makes claims of at one time being a Sony tool and has now switched to being an MS tool.
Bizio, how about you just quit being a tool?
And while you\'re at it, stop fantasying about Chrono\'s sexual habits, size of his penis, etc. Or at the very least, don\'t share them with us :p
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Originally posted by Heretic
Bizio makes claims of at one time being a Sony tool and has now switched to being an MS tool.
Why? because I think XBox is a superior piece of hardware?
This makes me a tool? ...and how could you define all PS2 fans posting "XBox bashing Threads"? always talking BS and/or negative and/or crap? Show me where Bizzio started a PS2 bashing Thread in the Main Forum...show me:)...1200 posts...and...what? what? Zero PS2 bashing threads! 0! ...and in the Console Debating? Show me fool! I\'m simply disappointed from PS2 and now I\'m giving a chance to the XBox!
Why you don\'t reply to PS2 zombies? why you don\'t reply to guys who always post XBox bashing threads? because you are a Tool?!...only an idea...
And while you\'re at it, stop fantasying about Chrono\'s sexual habits, size of his penis, etc. Or at the very least, don\'t share them with us :p
The zombie Chrono was the first to start the crap...I was only joking...and however ooseven knows how much stallion I\'m!:p
...he didn\'t want to compare his pic to mine:p
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WatchDog.. you may not be acting like a fanboy.. but your acting like a complete b1tch :p you really should drop it, the majority of your posts have turned into bashing Chrono sessions, and it really is detracting from the forums.. moreso (although you may not believe it) than Chrono posting non-stop anti XBox stuff..
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Yes I ahve been *****y lately...heh.
Well I\'ll gladly accept a Troll Flamer Avartar if you give Chrono a Troll Avartar.
No one hesitated to give NPYYZ one, why did Chrono get spared? A policy on a console debating forum should extend to all members, not just the ones who irrationally dislike the PS2.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Why? because I think XBox is a superior piece of hardware?
This makes me a tool?
Since you said you were once a Sony tool I just assumed you now considered yourself an MS tool. My mistake, from now on I\'ll consider you just a tool, who for the moment favors xbox.
Just so we\'re clear, in my country using the term ‘tool\' to describe a person is roughly the same as calling someone a full-time asshole. If this is not what you mean I suggest you find another label. I\'m calling you a tool because of the consistently insulting way you\'ve been speaking to/of members here lately, not because you are pro xbox.
As to the rest of your paragraph, I find it a bit too bizarre to offer a meaningful reply.
Originally posted by BizioEE
Why you don\'t reply to PS2 zombies? why you don\'t reply to guys who always post XBox bashing threads?
Again, these are very odd questions. I think maybe the problem is you consider anyone one thinks PS2 graphics look on par or almost as good as xbox to be a PS2 zombie/fool/tool/xbox basher.
Originally posted by BizioEE
I was only joking...
I know, that was just my way of saying I didn\'t think you were being very funny
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Originally posted by Paul
[B}
Anyway, if the Xbox is so good, why doesn\'t any of the racing games looks like GT3 yet[/B]
Whooo!!1 I love this game!1 :D
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uhh.. pstwo.. you just proved nothing...
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Again, these are very odd questions. I think maybe the problem is you consider anyone one thinks PS2 graphics look on par or almost as good as xbox to be a PS2 zombie/fool/tool/xbox basher.
Naah...too easy...don\'t change subject...I don\'t consider tool or zombie who thinks PS2 graphics right now is not far from XBox graphics...don\'t try...
...I consider zombie who ALWAY and ONLY posts biased and/or negative and/or XBox bashing Threads...it\'s a little different...
...Everyone knows XBox,technically,can do far better graphics than PS2...but if you like(in general) thinking PS2 and XBox are on par,there\'s no problem...well...it\'s a little pathetic...to tell the truth...but still no problem...
Don\'t try!
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Originally posted by BizioEE
however ooseven knows how much stallion I\'m!:p
...he didn\'t want to compare his pic to mine:p
ah if only you lived in Scotland and changed your name to samwise !:rolleyes:
p.s.
thanks BizioEE for sending a picture of yourself, looking good kid ;)
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pstwo, im impressed all that blue in rallisport doesnt bother you
must have low acceptance points
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just incase pstwo gets confused (although my attempts to avoid this will be futile)
mm meant to say blur.. before you go off posting a thousand pictures of Shrek claiming that not all XBox games have a lot of blue in them
also.. boys have a penis, girls have a vagina
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damnit, why did they put the E key right next to the R key?
i meant blur yes, it there to save the framerate
also, if yer aunt had a penis, she\'d be yer uncle
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Damn BizioEE, take the xbox outta your ass..
That\'s funny, that\'s where I keep my XBox.:laughing:
Ace
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That reminds me..
I got to vacuum my PS2.
It has alot of dust in the front grill, and at the back where the fan is.
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Originally posted by mm
also, if yer aunt had a penis, she\'d be yer uncle
what if it isnt attached to her?? what if she just keeps it in a jar.. like i do?
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Originally posted by ooseven
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At last ooseven posted his pic...can he compare with me? :p
:fro:
...I could easy crack you like a nut kid!
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lol @ the pic
if your really that old, you must be on of the most immature adults i\'ve met..
once you resort to name calling and saying other people have small penises, you lose all respect
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Originally posted by Chrono
lol @ the pic
if your really that old.....
That old? :laughing: are you a 10 years old child?
once you resort to name calling...
Look at your reply to Watchdog 5 sec. after this post--->
by Chrono
Uhh. moron
they said they were NOT charging for online gaming for their first party games.
...and saying other people have small penises, you lose all respect
You started the crap--->
by Chrono
Damn BizioEE, take the xbox outta your ass..
I know you love it
...you deserve this kind of replies...
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haha.. very funny BizioEE (*Phil looks at his last photo*).
How long did it take you to get that edited in Photoshop? :D
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Now, IMHO, it just looks FAKE. Check the shades.. I enhanced the image slightly in photoshop and marked an area. What do you think?
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look like the anemic terminator
:)
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oh oh seven is jelaous of my great body...poor guy...
...not only you are a joke when you speak of consoles...
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It\'s funny....people can\'t realize I\'m joking...
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double post
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Now, IMHO, it just looks FAKE. Check the shades.. I enhanced the image slightly in photoshop and marked an area. What do you think?
do you wanna share your complex of inferiority even on this subject? :)
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double post
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Originally posted by mm
look like the anemic terminator
:)
my girlfriend says I look like terminator:)
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Bizzio in love with the XBox:p
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Bizzio terminator + Halo ...and it\'s the last one,a promise...
ps: Phil,no offense,but you can\'t even realize if a pic is real or not...you haven\'t a clue what you\'re speaking about...and people already know you\'re not the "expert" you\'d like to be...poor seven...
Now, IMHO, it just looks FAKE. Check the shades..
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: IMHO you\'re a joke...all the pics I posted are real...I\'m a ****ing stallion! oh my god you\'re funny...
it\'s so funny...
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Would you stop jumping on sevens back?
pfft.. If I were a mod..
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hehe - I\'m sorry BizioEE, but you shouldn\'t be soooooo offended. I mean, honestly - I was at work today and scrolled through the board when I hit this thread and saw your pic. I burst out laughing since I thought it was pretty amusing about how you are posting pics of yourself trying to prove... well, what ever. Anyway, I didn\'t pay too much attention to the photo, until a worker walked past and saw the picture. She then started laughing too and she was pretty certain it was FAKE. I mean, that was something I didn\'t see on first sight, so I decided to check it out in photoshop. And really, I mean, if you look at it (well, they are bad quality), but it has a very wierd shade in it. It also seems that your head is plastered on to some body and it just doesn\'t seem right. Also check the colour how it suddenly changes.
THIS wasn\'t ment to insult your feelings or your looks. It was just something funny I thought I\'d point out. When someone gets offended as much as you just did, you could really think that\'s fake and you\'re trying to hide it - but I think you proved it with more than enough evidence that ... "what ever" is you.
Don\'t take it too serious. Chear up man, it was just a joke. :p
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Originally posted by BizioEE
look at me again homo!
Bizio, why would we want to see another picture of you being a homo again?
Also, do you know why a dog licks his balls?
Because he can! :D
Bizio, haven\'t you licked your own nads enough for one thread?
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Bizzio terminator and Rallisport
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It also seems that your head is plastered on to some body
that\'s because I\'m a little lying down on my chair and I\'m so muscular...it\'s easy to understand even by a child...I was kidding seven...it was a joke between me and ooseven...and you burst here like a fool...only this...who\'s offended?...
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Originally posted by Heretic
Bizio, haven\'t you licked your own nads enough for one thread?
I guess the answer is no
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Originally posted by Heretic
I guess the answer is no
I\'m licking your girlfriend\'s ****!:)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I\'m licking your girlfriend\'s ****!:)
:laughing:
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Originally posted by BizioEE
me ****ing stallion,ask your girlfriend
:)
Just got done checking with my ex-girlfriend in Rome. She confirmed that you do indeed enjoy having sexual relations with male horses. Best not to be posting pics of that scene. There may be laws against it, if not there should be.
Dude, you are one sick puppy
Sure did run your own thread off topic, didn\'t you Bizio?
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do you know that mods could ban you for this?:)
This was only a joke...obviously I do not need to prove myself on videogames forums.....it was a joke between me and ooseven...oh my god:eek: ...you\'re funny...
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Does it do it for you Bizio?
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Oh yeah!
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Originally posted by fastson
Does it do it for you Bizio?
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Oh yeah!
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oh my god...I didn\'t know that one of the two horses were your girlfriend...excuse me...I won\'t touch her any more...again...excuse me fastson:)
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My girlfriend? Where did I say that?
You said you liked to f*ck italian stallions ;)
I was just trying to be nice..
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Originally posted by fastson
My girlfriend? Where did I say that?
You said you liked to f*ck italian stallions ;)
I was just trying to be nice..
I said I\'m an italian stallion...and I like ****ing mares!;)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I said I\'m an italian stallion...and I like ****ing mares!;)
And Im a Viking. Hide your women and food!
:cool:
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Me and my men invading Rome :)