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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Chrono on March 19, 2002, 03:01:04 PM
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MS aparently will be charging to play 3rd party games.. at least thats what the article says.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=26683
In case you can\'t access it:
It\'s like this, see. This French company, Infogrames, sends out a press release yesterday saying that online play for Xbox shooter Unreal Championship is going to be "subject to subscription fees", but refused to clarify the comment when contacted. Then, right, this geezer in America, Epic head honcho Mark Rein, tells the world, "To make it perfectly clear neither Epic, nor Digital Extremes, nor Infogrames is going to be collecting any money from people playing Unreal Championship online". So, assuming that "subject to subscription fees" means, "You\'ll have to pay money to play this game online", which it does, all the money goes to Microsoft. Right?
Now, the funny thing is that Microsoft has never talked specifically about its online plans for Xbox. Ever. In his statement yesterday Rein pointed American readers to an article in the LA Times in November, which is quoted as saying, "Microsoft is expected to charge players a monthly subscription fee for the service. Although a price has not been settled on, Microsoft\'s internal market research has shown that many consumers are willing to pay as much as $10 a month, on top of any fees to get high-speed Internet access."
So, theoretically, what you have is Infogrames sending out a press release, when the entire subject of paying for console gaming on the Web is extremely sensitive, saying its lead online Xbox game is going to pay-per-play. Then the guy that makes the games insinuates that all the cash likely to fall into Microsoft\'s pockets. All this before Microsoft has a chance to announce its plans. Whoops.
Infogrames was quick to shield itself today. "It\'s a Microsoft issue, not an Infogrames or an Epic issue," said Simon Callaghan, Xbox and PC PR manager for Infogrames UK. "We\'re not collecting any money, and neither are Digital Extremes or Epic. It\'s a Microsoft thing that still needs to be clarified in the US. They haven\'t decided 100 percent what they\'re going to be doing. This is not something that we\'re instigating. It\'s a Microsoft issue. So you need to speak to Microsoft about it...
"As far as Europe," he added, "Well, it hasn\'t even been decided in the US, so you know that Europe\'s a bit further down the line than the US. It\'s not even a question of following the US\'s lead, because the situation regarding broadband and online subscription fees is totally different over here. Microsoft hasn\'t spoken about whether or not there\'ll be dedicated European servers yet, so until that gets clarified there\'s not much we can do."
So, just to be clear, not Epic, nor Infogrames nor Digital Extremes is going to be receiving any cash from pay-per-play for Unreal Championship?
"According to Mark Rein - and we go along with him 100 percent because, at the end of the day it\'s his title, it\'s Epic\'s title, we publish it – if that\'s what Mark Rein\'s saying then no, we\'re not going to be receiving any money from it... As far as I\'m aware, when it comes to Unreal Championship, that is the case."
Now listen close, sweet things. What seems to be happening here is this. Microsoft is going to charge players some kind of subscription fee to play online games through Xbox. Think about that for a second. Microsoft estimates say that between 4.5 million and 6 million Xbox consoles will be in worldwide circulation by the end of its financial year, the end of June. By the end of 2002, you can raise that to between 8 million and 10 million. Even with a 5 percent take-up for online play, that\'s still $5 million a month. Every month. And if the take-up\'s higher? And the charge in Europe is higher? Do the math.
Wonderfull huh?
At least I can play online for free with my ps2 and probably NGC(unless 3rd parties want to charge)
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I\'m not suprised. I mean, EA was able to pull it off with their Motorcity Online (which many NFS fans didn\'t recruit to). Sure, if you worked, the $9.99 is pretty cheap per month. But give me a break, we pay fifty bucks for the damn game and still pay royalities to EA.
Anyway, it\'s just another way of another competitive company wanting to recieve more profit, and they will recieve it. I wouldn\'t be suprised if others follow what Microsoft and Electronic Arts are doing.
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Anyway, it\'s just another way of another competitive company wanting to recieve more profit, and they will recieve it. I wouldn\'t be suprised if others follow what Microsoft and Electronic Arts are doing.
well, Infogrames won\'t..
instead MS gets the money
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M$ can KMA. If I wanted to play X-box games online, and I don\'t cause I\'ll just get the same game for PC, I\'d plug my X-box into my RedHat box, get an account on Gamespy, and give the finger to Bilbo.
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These endless XBox rants are getting old. But don\'t stop cause I love it! :)
Ace
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love paying extra money to play online games?
okey-dokey
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I don\'t expect anything for free. Maybe I am becoming jaded with age.
Ace
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hell, after paying 299$ and delflated hype, you should expect something
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You guys are overreacting. Wait until Microsoft announces its official plan before you start whining about something most of you will never even play anyways.
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I hate to say it but I am being worn down. You guys are relentless.
Hmmm, maybe I would have better luck changing people\'s minds about abortion or the death penalty.
Ace
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nah , abortion = bad
and death penalty = good
what more is there?
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Well, well, well, we agree on two things. That\'s a start.:)
Ace
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Pfft....go post this over at those forums with that idiot dude x-killer was it? He\'ll get mad and deny it.
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The reason the model is different is because MS is going to be supplying and maintaining the servers. They want to create an entire online community with a messanger service and world rankings etc. It wouldn\'t be the same nor would it work if everyone played on their own private servers.
Plus it\'s been stated that MS will charge ONE fee to play all games ($10/month is the rumour). That\'s $120 bucks a year--big deal. With the extra playtime of an online game you won\'t have to buy as many, it\'ll almost be a wash.
I for one would rather pay a nominal fee to play on reliable, cheat free servers with a fat pipe than some unknown server down the street.
mm all the bickering you do about quality and the such I would think you\'d have the same opinion. 1-2 hundred dollars is nothing (a couple nights out drinking) if the experience is seemless and lagfree. Very few games for the PC are quality because of the archetecture of PCs and ****ty personal servers.
But, why are none of you complaining about buying addons to play online with your PS2? And furthermore, do you really expect most games to be free once the PS2 goes online full scale? Oh, I forgot, you all have a different set of rules for the xbox. Carry on.
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Watchdog, your xbox fanboy, but I must reply to one part of your horrible and biased argument.. just for fun :)
Plus it\'s been stated that MS will charge ONE fee to play all games ($10/month is the rumour). That\'s $120 bucks a year--big deal. With the extra playtime of an online game you won\'t have to buy as many, it\'ll almost be a wash.
Yeah, i\'m certain that 3rd parties like Square will LOVE that idea.. MS controlls everything, exactly what 3rd parties want. Why you want that is beyond me.
You say you want more consoles in the industy to create compeition.. when this is halting compeition between 3rd parties.. hmm
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Originally posted by mm
nah , abortion, prochoice = good.
and death penalty = bad.
what more is there?
Yep, I totally agree with these points of view, mm! :laughing:
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i don\'t mind paying for online games !
as long as the money is used to maintain the servers and keep the game community going !
i.e.
Stable servers
Intellegent Updates (anything as long as it not as bad a Tribes 2)
Account insurence
So far i am willing to pay for FF11 and Project Ego as i think the cost will be worth it.
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no way im paying 120$ a year for online when i can just use my PC
i severely doubt sony will charge for online play also
it will be another nail for them to drive into the coffin
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Originally posted by Watchdog
The reason the model is different is because MS is going to be supplying and maintaining the servers. They want to create an entire online community with a messanger service and world rankings etc.
I did not pay $299 b/c I wanted to use MSN messenger or AIM on my X-box.
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If Square wants to charge an additional fee then that\'s their perrogative. MS wouldn\'t stop them.
And actually that is exactly what 3rd parties want--do you think that Acclaim wants to setup and maintain their own servers? No, they don\'t. If MS says you provide the content we\'ll provide the arena then MS should get all the money.
Yes mm, but with the PC you have to put up with cheaters, lots of lag, and general assholes. Is there a PC game that can claim otherwise? Nope.
IF, and I say if, MS can deliver a stable, lag free/cheat free environment then $120 bucks is nothing--that\'s not even a day\'s work. Just the knowledge that I\'m not going to get fragged because of lag or some aim bot is enough of an incentive to pay.
mm, Sony has already stated that they\'ll charge for online-so there. The rumour is that they\'re waiting to see what MS charges and then set their price point.
And Rob, no I didn\'t buy an xbox for messenger either, but I have a lot of friends online and maybe you do, but I don\'t want to call each of them everytime I want to play a game. If I could check an ICQ-ish list, see what my friends are playing and then make a determination of whether or not to join them--then yes that is valuable. Your cursorary dismissal is obviously a little premature.
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*precedes to tear watchdog apart*
Yes mm, but with the PC you have to put up with cheaters, lots of lag, and general assholes. Is there a PC game that can claim otherwise? Nope.
So, you think that will magically disapear on the Xbox.. you gotta be kidding me
mm, Sony has already stated that they\'ll charge for online-so there. The rumour is that they\'re waiting to see what MS charges and then set their price point.
Uhh. moron
they said they were NOT charging for online gaming for their first party games.
Source: since you obviously don\'t belive a word I say
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2853637,00.html
Hirai stated that all initial first-party online PlayStation 2 games would be available for play free of charge. Hirai then presumably took a shot at Microsoft by stating, "We believe that this approach is truly extending the PlayStation 2 gaming experience into the world of online content versus forcing a strategy on the market that it is not ready to embrace."
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Chrono...
YOU are in absolutely NO position to call ANYONE a "moron" and especially not Watchdog when you don\'t even know the difference between "precede" and "proceed"...
:rolleyes:
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Yes the cheaters and lag will dissappear because everyone will log on with a unique number that is transmitted by the xbox automatically--without it you can\'t go online. If someone cheats, they get a warning, if it happens again then action is taken. Plus this isn\'t a PC, cheating is MUCH more difficult.
So yes Chrono, cheaters magically dissappear.
If the DC showed us anything is that with static hardware, a 56k modem can produce great results, almost lag free. With a broadband connection and dedicated xbox servers, yes the experience could very well be lag free.
Chrono, a word of advice, you lack the intelligence to tear anyone\'s argument apart (let alone "precede" to do anything lol).
Either I was wrong or Sony changed their initial plans, regardless PS2 owners are going to eventually have to buy an HD and a modem and there will be 3rd party fees, that will not be inclusive--and for your information Chrono that means that if you want to play 6 games that are online with 3rd party fees, then you will have to pay 6 times.
And what does this mean:
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Hirai stated that all initial first-party online PlayStation 2 games would be available for play free of charge
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"Initial", meaning that subsequent releases may have fees? Doesn\'t sound free to me. Also, as far as I\'m concerned, you get what you pay for. Your going to have dialup people lagging servers, no policing or stability in terms of servers and the numbers of them. Plus, how many 3rd party companies can afford let alone want to run their own servers?
If you want to argue online, the PS2 isn\'t in the same league as xbox. How many people are going to buy the modem for the PS2 keeping in mind that only 10% of PS1 owners bought a dual shock controller/second controller? And then when games start requiring the HD (at least another $100), how many people are going to buy that?
With the xbox, MS had a plan--no need to buy addons. There will be an option under multiplayer or something that says play online and that\'s it, you are playing. MS has servers, they will maintain and police them. They have voice communication and all companies are using it. There will be atleast 12 games in September that will play online.
On the other hand, PS2 game makers are going to have to decide whether it\'s worth catering to a minority market and add online content. Some will, but it will always be an afterthought.
You can argue the PS2 vs the xbox, but PS2 online vs xbox online is no contest.
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LMAO :laughing: at Ashford.. and his grammar lesson, get a life bud, this is the internet, i\'m not writing an essay thats going to be graded.
LMAO :laughing: at Watchdog\'s whole post.. dude, I really don\'t know what to say.. its just so hillarious how much of a xbox fanboy you are.
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btw, the grammar in your sentence was wrong..
YOU are in absolutely NO position to call ANYONE a "moron" and especially not Watchdog when you don\'t even know the difference between "precede" and "proceed"...
You have missing commas, and incorrectly used “and.”
The correct sentence would be,
YOU are in absolutely NO position to call ANYONE a "moron", especially not Watchdog, when you don\'t even know the difference between "precede" and "proceed"...
"Especially not Watchdog" is a contrasting element that interrupts the sentence; therefore, the contrasting element should be set off from your sentence with commas.
See how silly you sound?
I\'m in the final weeks of college English.. Don’t mess with me in grammar :D
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dude, I really don\'t know what to say
so do us all a favor and don\'t say anything at all...
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Most new PS2 games will have a online option. (Infact all Sony inhouse games will have some sort of Online support..)
Sony has the most impressive online games library out of the three.. (IMO)
Socom US Navy Seals - Looks and sounds sweet. Picture running around in a jungle.. Playin co-op over the net shooting down some drug lords! :)
Twisted Metal Online - This should be great. Fast paced online action!
Ace Combat Online - Falcon4 will feel the heat from my Fox2 up is bottom :fro:
Tribes Aerial Assault - I only played the demo on my PC. I liked it. I would have bought it if it didnt run so damn slow!
This game has been optimized for PS2.. Last E3 is looked great and ran smooth.
TimeSplitters 2 - This is only rumoured to be online, but it just got delayed so chances are they are putting in some online modes :)
The Getaway - I heard SCEE added Online support to this game. Would be sweet running around in London having a shootout by some famous building.
Armoured Core 3 - I saw it on Sonys Online list.. But under another name. Armoured Core Sigma
Resident Evil Online - 2-4 (co-op) players trying to escape from the zombie infested Racoon City.
GTA Miami/ GTA4 - One of them (or both) will more than likely be online. There were rumours that they would make GTA4 like a MOMG (Massive Online Multiplayer Game)..
All I can say is.. GANG WARS! :nerd:
Gran Turismo 4 - This one is going to be sweet! :)
Along with Auto Model lista.
Kessen IV - Huge wars!
And a bunch of other Online titles (Bomberman Online, Clockwork Online, All the sports games, some SEGA online Racer.. bla bla bla..)
So I think the $39.99 that the BBA costs is worth it.
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I\'m not going to get into a debate about which online games will be better (Unreal, Brute Force, GTA4, Timesplitters 2, Halo Online, Mechwarrior, Crimson Skies, etc), but speaking strictly about the hardware, the commitment, the plan and the attitude, MS is way ahead of Sony.
Yes, Chrono, you have nothing to say because like I said you lack the necessary intelligence to do so.
And actually, Chrono, both sentences are correct, but having read your posts the last couple of weeks I seriously doubt you have any higher-level English training.
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btw, the grammar in your sentence was wrong..
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Incorrect tense.
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You have missing commas, and incorrectly used “and.”
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Missing commas? Lol, traditionally called comma splices.
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The correct sentence would be,
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This is an improper use of the comma, and the wrong tense (not to mention terrible prose).
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I\'m in the final weeks of college English.. Don’t mess with me in grammar
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I don\'t know what this is, but it\'s not English. Improper use of the ellipsis, awkward sentence structure and that last clause is guttural and idiomatic.
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See how silly you sound?
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While this is correct it makes me laugh given the above.
Furthermore, you don\'t know the difference between your or you\'re, lay and lie or precede or proceed. If you are taking English at college (I can\'t believe this), I have serious reservations about the education system in the state of Florida.
Hey, I know all about churning out a message in a forum and having a general disregard for grammar and style, but your posts are intelligible, confusing and show no signs of higher thought in terms of sentence structure, organization, vocabulary or style (I could have ended this sentence after \'thought\' and it would still be true). And I would think that someone giving a grammar lesson on a public forum would be very careful to ensure that his prose is, at the very least, somewhat cognizant of the basic tenants of his chosen discipline.
Before you lie, Chrono, perhaps you should consider if you can actually convince anyone of it.
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Dude, Watchdog
F****** grow the hell up
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booooooorrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggg..............
The point has been made and heard. No need to bicker people.