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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: BizioEE on March 21, 2002, 01:49:06 PM
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Zona, Inc., the Massive Multi-Player Online Game (MMOG) server and network solution provider, today is announcing that the company has joined the Microsoft Corporation Xbox(TM) Tools & Middleware Program for MMOG middleware development. The Xbox Tools& Middleware License gives Zona, Inc. the right to develop an Xbox version of Terazona(TM), the highly scalable, secure, fault-tolerant, total server and network solution for Xbox online games. Terazona(TM) is capable of supporting tens of thousands of users on a server and drastically lessens the time-to-market for online game developers.
``Xbox is the only console that can bring online Massively multiplayer gaming to the living room,\'\' states Montgomery Singman, CEO of Zona, Inc. ``Currently, there are more publishers creating online games for Xbox than employees that originally engineered the console itself.\'\'
``Xbox is the only console with a built in hard drive and broadband capabilities making it the only serious console for online developers,\'\' said Drew Angeloff, Xbox Tools Program Manager. ``Terazona will give Xbox developers a technically sound head start when developing massively multiplayer online games.\'\'
Using the Zona, Inc. MMOG server and network solution Terazona(TM), video game developers will be able to focus on enhancing the game play experience and no longer be forced to spend time and money on network, server, infrastructure, and operational issues. Within one online game, Terazona, with its advanced distributed network architecture, can support 32,000 users vs. a maximum of 4,500 users on competing systems. Zona\'s Application Framework provides a thin-client solution that has a high emphasis on scalability, fault-tolerance, network security, cost-efficiency, short time-to-market, and high quality of services required by most MMOG applications. --->from team
Waiting for PS2 fans bashing the XBox:)...mm,ooseven,fastson...what are you waiting for?
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XBOX SUXXORZ MY BOXXORZ!
:D
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Originally posted by fastson
XBOX SUXXORZ MY BOXXORZ!
:D
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Joking aside...I think XBox will be the best in the on-line gaming:D
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I dont because now they\'re charging $ for online playing.
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Xbox is the only console that can bring online Massively multiplayer gaming to the living room
Whoo!! :D
BizioEE, take the Xbox torch!! We must keep it lit! ;)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Joking aside...I think XBox will be the best in the on-line gaming:D
want to put some reasoning behind that
thats like me saying that about ps2 - cept at least ps2 has some info released about online games that way i know what im playing online
you are just stating that its gonna be the best since you think best and xbox go in the same sentence
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i lost all respect after getting this far and didnt read the rest of the "smoke"
Xbox is the only console that can bring online Massively multiplayer gaming to the living room,\'\' states Montgomery Singman, CEO of Zona, Inc.
thats like movie posters that have quotes like "best film!", but the companies edit out the second half of the statement, "for me to poop on!"
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Originally posted by mm
thats like movie posters that have quotes like "best film!", but the companies edit out the second half of the statement, "for me to poop on!"
so YOU are saying, the original quote might have looked something like this
"Xbox is the only console that can bring online Massively multiplayer gaming to the living room, so that i may remove my cumbersome pants and take a big steamy **** on it....purple monkey dishwasher"
???
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Purple Monkey Dishwasher!?!?!!!!!! Bob.. that\'s the secret word for today! (everyone scream) Aaaaaarrrrrhhh!!!!!!!!!!
Xbox will be the best console for online gaming this generation.. it\'s broadband only strategy guantees that. Well.. unless you\'re on 56k and have no other option for a faster connection. Then you\'re crap outta luck, and stuck playing offline unless you buy a PS2, NGC, or Dreamcast.
Anyhow, M$ can have Zora. I\'m keeping my eye on Explorati. They\'re working on a system of Massively Multiplayer gamers that anyone (developers and end users) can use to tweak and create their own online realms or expand on existing realms. From what Lori Cole was saying, they\'re going to start out primarily on PC, but would like to move to both the PS2 and Xbox seeing as how those two consoles have Harddrives available/planned. Lori and Corey are also seeking the rights to QFG so that they can make a QFG MMORPG as an offical project.. so you know I\'m gonna be there. There\'s no offical press releases from the company as of yet, (just what\'s been said in interviews), but we should hopefully hear more at this years E3. Sweeeeet. :D
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Who the hell is Zona and why should I care? Seriously they could have said Dave is working on some new MMOG middleware and I would have been just as underwhelmed.
This is all marketing BS and until I see a game that has 32k players online I\'ll continue to be unimpressed.
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BizioEE, check this out.
Right Hemisphere Makes it Easier to Develop XBox Games:
SAN JOSE, Calif., Game Developer Conference, March 21 /PRNewswire/ --
Right Hemisphere, the world leader in 3D translation, texturing and publishing technology announced today that Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) has selected Right Hemisphere to develop a key game production tool for inclusion in the Xbox Development Kit - Deep Exploration Xbox Edition.
Right Hemisphere\'s Deep Exploration technology will allow game developers to quickly and easily take advantage of the advanced Xbox graphic capabilities by providing them the ability to instantly preview advanced 3D graphics from any of the popular 3D modeling packages, and translate between any of these packages at whim. In addition, Deep Exploration Xbox Edition is the ideal interface for fine-tuning aspects of Xbox specific art.
"Deep Exploration Xbox Edition will help give more power to the Xbox artist," said Drew Angeloff, Xbox Tools and Middleware Program Manager. "Microsoft selected Right Hemisphere because of the unique translation solution, flexibility and openness of their technology and because of their strong reputation in the game development community."
"We are very excited about this opportunity to create a win-win-win for Microsoft, game developers and game players, said Michael Lynch, CEO of Right Hemisphere. With Deep Exploration Xbox Edition there will be more games with better effects available on the Xbox. Game developers will have to spend less time and money, and game players will get a better experience on the Xbox than any other platform."
Deep Exploration Xbox Edition will be available Q3 2002 from Microsoft as part of the Xbox Development Kit.
Link: Link: http://www.xboxexclusive.com/news.shtml
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Zona, Inc.,
Whhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooooooo ?????????
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Waiting for PS2 fans bashing the XBox:)...mm,ooseven,fastson...what are you waiting for?
Don\'t make me come over and b1tch slap you all the way back to the roman empire !
p.s.
WHO THE HELL IS Zona, Inc., ?
never heard of them until today
X box online = Sux Box online !
at least the PS2 has some very very BIG names backing them up !
Macromedia
AOL
Flashwares
Quicktime Etc etc etc etc..........
i think the PS2 wins on this one too :D
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i think the PS2 wins on this one too
I don\'t think so...
here\'s a proved formula for you--->
ADD-ONs = FAILURE
ps: Sublimesjg,are you happy now? :)
...and in the games dapartment...the "war" has still to begin! Let\'s wait and see...we have still 4 years before the next gen consoles...a lot of time...who knows:)
...Thanks pstwo for the info :)
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add ons = failure for sega
but then again, sega never quite had the installed user base that sony does
there\'s what, almost 30 million ps2\'s around the world and STILL selling 3-1 over the xbox?
the "war" is over.
xbox cant dream of those numbers
the best it can hope for is second place, but i wouldnt count the GC out
if even 20% of those owners buy the HDD addon, than its worth it
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Originally posted by mm
add ons = failure for sega
but then again, sega never quite had the installed user base that sony does
add-ons are failure...it\'s not exclusive to sega...
there\'s what, almost 30 million ps2\'s around the world and STILL selling 3-1 over the xbox?
the "war" is over.
xbox cant dream of those numbers
the best it can hope for is second place, but i wouldnt count the GC out
The "war" is not over...if we mean War as Games vs Games...4 years is a long time...
if even 20% of those owners buy the HDD addon, than its worth it
I see you are optimist...I would be surprised if 3-5% of PS2 owners will buy add-ons...
Developers will never take full advantage of add-ons!
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sega was the only company to try the addon trip on a major scale
sure turbografx16 and jaguar had thier cd addons
unless of course you count the SNES cd addon *snicker*
the war is indeed over before it started
xbox is two years too late to even think of coming close to ps2\'s user base
20% too high? whats the HDD gonna cost? 100$?
thats chump change. how hard will it be for developers to make use of the HD? i dont see ANY xbox games taking true advantage of the HD. sure you can rip yer own soundtrack for a FEW games, and it serves as a big memory card, and thats it.
the sony HD doesnt have to be a blazing success
look at the sony brand LCD for the ps1. not exactly selling like hotcakes, but they will continue to produce them
the HD has to sell just enough to let a little more air out of the flailing m$ balloon
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Originally posted by BizioEE
...and in the games dapartment...the "war" has still to begin! Let\'s wait and see...we have still 4 years before the next gen consoles...a lot of time...who knows:)
Final Fantasy XI = Sony Wins
;):p
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You are all calling on this way too quick...
I don\'t think any of us know enough of either MS or Sony\'s plans to say who wins the "on-line war"...
How much is the add-on? How much will it cost to play per month/play? How many games on-line? What kind of games? Do they appeal to a wide audience?
20% too high? whats the HDD gonna cost? 100$?
thats chump change.
For how many people? Will the casual gamer buy into it?
how hard will it be for developers to make use of the HD? i dont see ANY xbox games taking true advantage of the HD.
What makes the PS2 HD different from the Xbox HD?
and it serves as a big memory card, and thats it.
Right now...have you heard of the DOA3 add-on? How long do you think it will be before other developers start to take advantage of the feature?
look at the sony brand LCD for the ps1. not exactly selling like hotcakes, but they will continue to produce them
That\'s different, it\'s a one time buy...Sony will have to have enough people buy the add-on, plus games, plus pay a monthly fee to keep it going...Remember, not everyone is clamering to get FFXI...
Xbox also has some bridges to cross...BB only is a big one.
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i wasnt contesting the online war, it doesnt matter anyways
my PC ownx0rs both PS2 and xbox when it comes to that anyways, so im not concerned with that
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Broadband Adapter is $39.99
The Harddrive price has not been announced yet.
Though I would expect Sony selling it with a loss.
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You answered half of one of my questions...
my point was is that you can\'t possibly make a substantial guess as to what\'s going to happen given the little information we have...
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what questions?
which console will win the online "war"? it doesnt concern me, i wasnt even talking about that
the console "war" on the other hand, is over
sony won it before nintendo and m$ even left the gate
now the battle for 2nd place is being fought
but i have a few minutes to kill
the PS2 harddrive will be different because developers will see how xbox is wasting the capacity of thiers. does ANY current xbox game copy data to the hard drive to address load times? no, why not?
cost per month? no, most games will be peer ro peer, i dont pay to play tony hawk 3 online RIGHT NOW, do i? :rolleyes:
will ps2 gamers get it? yes, like i said 100$ [at the most] is chump change
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Originally posted by mm
what questions?
My questions...what games?how much?who offers the best?
the PS2 harddrive will be different because developers will see how xbox is wasting the capacity of thiers.
who\'s to say it will stay that way? Do you know that all the devleopers are just over looking it? Do you honestly think all PS2 developers will utilize the HD to minimize loadtimes and what not?
does ANY current xbox game copy data to the hard drive to address load times? no, why not?
How many are planned to do that for PS2 HD, if any?
cost per month? no, most games will be peer ro peer, i dont pay to play tony hawk 3 online RIGHT NOW, do i? :rolleyes:
Does this apply to all on-line games for the PS2?
will ps2 gamers get it? yes, like i said 100$ [at the most] is chump change
What is there to warrant its\' purchase? Enough to reach beyond a hardcore audience?
Like I said, we don\'t enough...
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too many questions for me to answer
get back to me with a summarized version
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There\'s nothing to get back to you with...
As said earlier...we know nothing.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I see you are optimist...I would be surprised if 3-5% of PS2 owners will buy add-ons...
Developers will never take full advantage of add-ons!
hey BizioEE ... when did you sell your soul to Gates again ?
:rolleyes:
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You make it sound like everyone will buy the HD because it\'s only $100. Well extra controllers are only $20 and 10% of the market bought those for the PS1. I fail to see how the HD will achieve a greater sell through.
How many copies did FF sell? 3-4 million? Of that number how many are fanatical about FF and are willing to buy the adapter, the game, the HD and the online costs? I\'d be surprised if it\'s half.
That\'s too much to buy for the majority of people; add that to the fact that most people don\'t like the idea of playing online and you\'ve got a niche market.
With the xbox all they have to do is have the game and pick "Play Online" from the menu and they are playing. After the two free months of online play, they have a decision whether or not to subscribe.
You tell me which one Joe average is likely to do. I\'m not sure if either console will enjoy a raging success from their online plans, but MS is in a far better position than Sony.
Sony also said that their INITIAL games will be free. They could have said "We will not charge gamers to play online--not like other companies". They didn\'t and that is curious.
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Originally posted by ooseven
hey BizioEE ... when did you sell your soul to Gates again ?
:rolleyes:
*...I would be surprised if 3-5% of PS2 owners will buy add-ons...
and developers will never take full advantage of add-ons!*
It\'s only my opinion :)
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yeah, but when there\'s 100 PS2 owners to every 1 xbox owner, what are the odds then?
it all numbers
were comparing how many EVEN have a broadband connection
no broadband connection = no online xbox
56k for peer to peer is fine, the DC proved that
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, but when there\'s 100 PS2 owners to every 1 xbox owner, what are the odds then?
it all numbers
were comparing how many EVEN have a broadband connection
no broadband connection = no online xbox
56k for peer to peer is fine, the DC proved that
Sony will have sold 450-600 millions PS2 by the end of June?:padd-ons = failure
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Sure, but play a team game peer to peer, an MMOG or a FPS.
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so you think xbox will have 4.5 million sold by june?
we shall see
how many PS2\'s are installed today, more than 30 million?
this is a rough estimate, please dont jump in my ass if im off by a million or so
regardless, ps2\'s will continue to sell at a exponential rate compared to xbox untill a miracle happens, and online gaming aint it
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There\'s a fine thread between success and failure...
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indeed, that fine line is called "right place at right time"
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does ANY current xbox game copy data to the hard drive to address load times? no, why not?
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How many are planned to do that for PS2 HD, if any?
actually Final Fantasy makes for quicker load times in japan already - so there is one example
but to answer also MMs question Halo a game you own utilizes the xbox HDD for quicker load times - thats why the levels are so streamless and huge with such small load times and also why whenever you go to another area and it says loading it takes about 5 secs if that
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you mean the 60 second load time at the beginning of every level doesnt mean anything?
hard drive = gimmick, gimme J&D streaming anyday
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still for the size of say the second level that 60 seconds is nothing
compare that 60 seconds to say the 2-3 minutes of a freaking sports game with less detail and you kind of see what i mean
devs are utilizing the load times on both consoles but i think they need to focus on other things to use the HDD for besides load times as it really doesnt make much of a difference then a few seconds here and there
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/me nods
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/me nods back with right eyebrow tilted up
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/me nods back with right eyebrow tilted up and left pinky extended to lower lip
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Yeah on line play will be nice. I could care less who "wins" in that department. I want games that I spend my hard earned money on to be challanging and fun enough so when I come home and put them in which ever system they are for, I don\'t need to go on line. I want games that will be entertaining playing against the console.
I want a football game that will have the A.I. to realize I can run the same play on defense and get a sack 90% of the time and adjust to stop it. I want a football game with the A.I that can figure out I am running the same play but on alternating sides of the field every time and getting first downs and stopping me.
I want a racing game That will fight me too the finish, bumping my car and possibly wrecking me.
I want a game like Halo for instance, or Max Payne that will figure out I am hiding behind a rock , or a door ,and kick my ass instead of walking stupidly into my line of fire.
My point is I want the games to be a challange when played against the console every time you play them. When I get killed in a game and I get to that point in the game again ,I know what will happen so i can prepare for it, I want what ever killed me the first time to be different when I get there the second time. I want the console to think and react. Maybe I\'m asking for to much here but at $300.00 a console, and $50.00 a game I think we deserve it.
There\'s my rant
Peace
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Maybe I\'m asking for to much here - NYPPZ
That does sound like a bit much. Granted, AI in most games could/should be WORLDS better.. I don\'t think we\'re quite to that point in console power yet. There\'s quite a few games out there that do have fairly realistic AI - considering -, but we\'re just not up to the point where we can even get one, let alone 10 or more, onscreen computer controlled opponents to think with the complexity of human counterparts. Then again... there\'s alot of human opponents who are nowhere near the skill level even a cheaply written BOT is. :p
I think 300 dollars per console and game is a reasonable price. Not as cheap as I\'d like it.. but definately better than what game companies COULD be charging us. This is a discussion for another thread though.
BTW: NYPPZ... get Alien Front Online for the DC. I wanna streight up kick your A$$ at that game. :evil: :D
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Sony will have sold 450-600 millions PS2 by the end of June?:padd-ons = failure
oh yeah i mean
what with Gran turismo and final fatasy online the add-ons = failure :rolleyes:
rubbish
the Add on will sell as soon as the games arrive to support it !
Also i have Read in the UK official playstation 2 mag that Mr Hideo is planning an online MGS game for the PS2 !
:D
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ugh, ooseven.. maybe you shouldnt be so confident.. the HDD will not be a run-a-way success.. only a minority of people will buy it
Sony need to GIVE IT AWAY
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i doubt a minority will buy it
it ALL depends on cost and games that take advantage of it
the installed user base is too large for it to fail
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Originally posted by mm
i doubt a minority will buy it
it ALL depends on cost and games that take advantage of it
the installed user base is too large for it to fail
Plus their is a big intrest for Final Fantasy 11 over here thanks to the PS2 Mags !
both Playstation world and PSM2 did big FF11 features a while back and showed them playing it on their cover DVD\'s and its SPARKED a LOT of intrest !
so i guess if Square and Sony does a ISP/ FF11/ and HDD & adapter bundle it is sure to take this country by storm.
Aslo most people have their Eye on that Socom that was shown at last years E3.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
ugh, ooseven.. maybe you shouldnt be so confident.. the HDD will not be a run-a-way success.. only a minority of people will buy it
Sony need to GIVE IT AWAY
I\'ll be surprised if more than 3% of PS2 owners will buy add-ons...
...add-ons = failure...it\'s a proved formula...
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...add-ons = failure...it\'s a proved formula...
LOL. Proved formula? Where? Why don\'t you show us your mathematical equation? :rolleyes:
Members should be banned for stupidity...
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I\'ll be surprised if more than 3% of PS2 owners will buy add-ons...
but 3% is far more than X box installed Userbase
:laughing: :laughing:
so i guess what your saying is that if the Addon hits what the X box sales is at the moment then its a failure ?
so what does that mean for the X box then a Full Console ?
:laughing: :laughing:
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Originally posted by ooseven
but 3% is far more than X box installed Userbase
:laughing: :laughing:
so i guess what your saying is that if the Addon hits what the X box sales is at the moment then its a failure ?
so what does that mean for the X box then a Full Console ?
:laughing: :laughing:
well...I think you shouldn\'t laugh...XBox is a new console,it can\'t have the user base of PS2...and,however,remains the fact that add-ons = failure...
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biz, yer sounding like a broken record
you know yer gonna shove yer foot in yer mouth when it launches, right?
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Originally posted by mm
biz, yer sounding like a broken record
you know yer gonna shove yer foot in yer mouth when it launches, right?
its alright mm
just let him keep saying it ... i mean it will make it easyer for us to find a quote when it has launched !
:D
Ah the old tactic just givethem enough rope and they will hang themselfs :D
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Originally posted by mm
biz, yer sounding like a broken record
you know yer gonna shove yer foot in yer mouth when it launches, right?
Don\'t you sound like a broken record even you mm...when you burst into each thread complaining about the 30 fps of Halo and the big XBox controller?
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Don\'t you sound like a broken record even you mm...when you burst into each thread complaining about the 30 fps of Halo and the big XBox controller?
:D
Ah the old tactic just give them enough rope and they will hang themselfs :D
p.s. this is not spam as i added an underline to the word WILL and also i am a Mod s Sue me :D
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Originally posted by ooseven
:D
Ah the old tactic just give them enough rope and they will hang themselfs :D
p.s. this is not spam as i added an underline to the word WILL and also i am a Mod s Sue me :D
do you know why I posted this "add-ons = failure" 2,3,4 times?
to force mm to say what he said...maybe now he understands what members(I mean unbiased members,not PS2 zombies) think when someone sounds like a broken record...
...
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Originally posted by BizioEE
do you know why I posted this "add-ons = failure" 2,3,4 times?
to force mm to say what he said...maybe now he understands what members(I mean unbiased member,not PS2 zombies) think when someone sounds like a broken record...
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//me thinks !
right if i leave now to go to Glasgow AIRPORT and catch the first flight out to ROME.. i Should be there in time to go and hire a Car find his house and beat the utter C@rp out of him and be home in time to avoid everyone think i did it
Yeah good plan ... in fact great plan
ill i need is
1 X Air Ticket
1X lenght of Rubber hose to beat him with
1X Fake Passport
and i am home dry..
now wait i min\' did i just think that or did i type that ?
Hoooooooaaaaaaa GOD DMAN IT ! :( :mad:
;)
p.s.
il think you will find that even though you think you onlt Said it 2,3,or 4 times its fealt like you have been saying it for years
hence MM your like a broken record quote
now get all mad point at your screen and say "just wait till E3 " like a good person that supports the X box too much does ;)
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right if i leave now to go to Glasgow AIRPORT and catch the first flight out to ROME.. i Should be there in time to go and hire a Car find his house and beat the utter C@rp out of him and be home in time to avoid everyone think i did it
Yeah good plan ... in fact great plan
I don\'t think it\'s a good idea...it\'s not good for you...
...your body is so weak that you couldn\'t beat even my sister :p
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I don\'t think it\'s a good idea...it\'s not good for you...
...your body is so weak that you couldn\'t beat even my sister :p
Come over to the off topic and say that ... go on ill dare ya !
;)
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You\'re not James Bond like in the films...you are a weak guy in your real life:)
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You know I\'m joking 007...no offense:)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
You\'re not James Bond like in the films...you are a weak guy in your real life:)
is that the BEST you can do
"as the Japanese gamer said to Bill gates "
;)
p.s.
try and remember this is Console Debating and to keep all post CONSOLE related
so unless your hung like a Gameboy Advance Cartrage then i feal no need to continue this conversation !
:D
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yea well actually i dont think you were trying to provoke mms response or show him what he is like until mm brought up the broken record deal
anyway what i want to know is ok list the failed add-ons and then think and list why they failed - then you might statrt to see a pattern that had nothing to do with the add- on but the marketing and timing along with price - those determine the success of even consoles
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Originally posted by BizioEE
You know I\'m joking 007...no offense:)
NP
//me phones the Assassin and prays that he gets him in time
;)
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biz, i hate to sound like a xbox zealot
but wait a few months and we\'ll see if the PS2 addon is a failure
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10% of PS1 owners bought a dual shock/second controller--actually, it\'s 10% of all console owners buy addons.
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so, if 10% of todays roughly 30 million PS2\'s owners [not 6 months from now when the number will be higher]
that would be what, about 3 million?
thats more than there are xbox\'s around
thats a success if u ask me
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Originally posted by Watchdog
10% of PS1 owners bought a dual shock/second controller--actually, it\'s 10% of all console owners buy addons.
Where did you get this info from? I would be pretty suprised if this were true, especially since just about everyone I know also owns a second Dualshock (or a second third party controller). Come to think of it, 10% out of over 80 million PSX/PSones sold is still enough to not call it a failure.
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Originally posted by seven
Where did you get this info from? I would be pretty suprised if this were true, especially since just about everyone I know also owns a second Dualshock (or a second third party controller). Come to think of it, 10% out of over 80 million PSX/PSones sold is still enough to not call it a failure.
like what mm said ... the installed userbase is too large for it to fail !
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Originally posted by mm
biz, i hate to sound like a xbox zealot
but wait a few months and we\'ll see if the PS2 addon is a failure
mm,you sound more like a PS2 zealot rather than a XBox zealot:)
...you\'re ingenuous,if you expect to see if an add-on is a failure or half-failure or a success at launch or some months later...you,at least,have to wait till the end of the lifespan of a console to assert if add-ons are failure or half-failure or success! don\'t you agree?:)
ps: me always thinks add-ons=failure!
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Originally posted by ooseven
like what mm said ... the installed userbase is too large for it to fail !
If mm say so:rolleyes: ...
...3% of 10M,3% of 20M,3%30M user base(hypothetically) is always a "failure"...call it as you wish...it\'s not a success...
...always a very little little percentage of the user base will benefit by add-ons!
Can you rule out the hypothesis the XBox will be numba wuan in US next year in selling numbers ?
We have still 4 years this gen,it\'s a long time...and the "war" has still to begin!
If PS2 fans were so sure of the future of their beloved console why they bash the XBox every chance they get? Let\'s wait and see! ...I\'m not speaking of the final user base,I\'m speaking of games...
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im not biased towards any company except sega, you should know that
i just find it humurous yer so dead set against the PS2 HD succeeding when you you damn well it will. i dont even classify it as an add-on. its more of an enhancement. you had to pay 30$+ to even play DVD\'s in yer xbox, no?
the PS2 HD will sell, and sell very well
no point in really arguing about it
xbox can NEVER beat PS2\'s numbers
there\'s almost a 25 million deficet, and PS\'s are STILL outselling xbox\'s exponentially. xbox is a fine little, err big console, and may perhaps take second place down the road. sony is already at the finish line smoking a dutchie and drinking a beer
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I too doubt that xbox will ever catch PS2--this year or four years from now.
But in 2-3 years how many of the 50 million PS2 owners will still be actively buying software and playing their system? Many of those early adopters will have purchased an xbox or GC, and assuming 3rd party practices stay the same, with the choice of the same game on PS2 or a competing console, which console will they buy the game for?
Everything is going to shake down and each console will have their absolute exclusives, 6 months exclusives and 3rd party whoreware.
I know if I had a choice between a PS2 game and an xbox version, I\'d chose the xbox version everytime. It\'s just better (with very few exceptions). Right now the PS2 has mindshare and many of the new games first, but the latter isn\'t going to last forever, we all know that. What would happen then?
There are already rumblings that GTA4 will be released similtaneously on all platforms (or even that MS will buy the rights for it). So someone looking for a new console, that are priced the same, is going to buy which system? If the only difference is performance, why not go for the best looking/playing game?
So I don\'t think xbox will ever have a larger userbase, but that isn\'t really important. It\'s the active userbase that is. Of course things could keep going like they are and xbox will remain a distant second for the duration, but the possibility is there.
Either way, I have both consoles and it matters very little to me--although, I\'d like to hear from some of the people here if that ever comes to pass.
Truth be told, if I were to put my money on a company, I\'d go with Sony everytime. I\'m merely pointing out that there is a possibility and that total userbase isn\'t the only important factor.
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Originally posted by mm
im not biased towards any company except sega, you should know that
I know it,but sometimes you give the impression to hate the XBox...well...now I don\'t remember if you did the same with PS2 when it launched(I remember only "Die Nintendo Die" at the end of each post of yours some time ago:) )...so...I\'ll leave this "argument":)
i just find it humurous yer so dead set against the PS2 HD succeeding when you you damn well it will. i dont even classify it as an add-on. its more of an enhancement. you had to pay 30$+ to even play DVD\'s in yer xbox, no?
I\'ll buy both the PS2 HD and DVD option for the XBox...but it\'s another question:)...my friends have both PS2 and XBox and they all won\'t buy any add-ons...there\'re a lot of people who are not interested in add-ons...the majority is not interested in add-ons...
...however...let\'s wait and see...
the PS2 HD will sell, and sell very well
no point in really arguing about it
again...we\'ll have to see it at the end of the lifespan of PS2...
xbox can NEVER beat PS2\'s numbers
there\'s almost a 25 million deficet, and PS\'s are STILL outselling xbox\'s exponentially. xbox is a fine little, err big console, and may perhaps take second place down the road. sony is already at the finish line smoking a dutchie and drinking a beer [/B]
I didn\'t mean XBox will catch PS2 in the US next year in terms of installed user base...but in selling numbers week after week next year...:)
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I too doubt that xbox will ever catch PS2--this year or four years from now.
me too...I was referring to selling numbers in US next year:)
But in 2-3 years how many of the 50 million PS2 owners will still be actively buying software and playing their system? Many of those early adopters will have purchased an xbox or GC, and assuming 3rd party practices stay the same, with the choice of the same game on PS2 or a competing console, which console will they buy the game for?
Everything is going to shake down and each console will have their absolute exclusives, 6 months exclusives and 3rd party whoreware.
I know if I had a choice between a PS2 game and an xbox version, I\'d chose the xbox version everytime. It\'s just better (with very few exceptions). Right now the PS2 has mindshare and many of the new games first, but the latter isn\'t going to last forever, we all know that. What would happen then?
we have to wait and see...4 years from now on is a long time...
There are already rumblings that GTA4 will be released similtaneously on all platforms (or even that MS will buy the rights for it). So someone looking for a new console, that are priced the same, is going to buy which system? If the only difference is performance, why not go for the best looking/playing game?
So I don\'t think xbox will ever have a larger userbase, but that isn\'t really important. It\'s the active userbase that is. Of course things could keep going like they are and xbox will remain a distant second for the duration, but the possibility is there.
Either way, I have both consoles and it matters very little to me--although, I\'d like to hear from some of the people here if that ever comes to pass.
Truth be told, if I were to put my money on a company, I\'d go with Sony everytime. I\'m merely pointing out that there is a possibility and that total userbase isn\'t the only important factor.
I do care about games...and I think competition could benefit to all us gamers...why should we be scared by this?
If both GC and XBox will reach a solid user base,more and more devs will give these consoles the attention they deserve,emphasizing their advantages and peculiarity(like PS2) to create other great games for us...why should it be bad ?
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I too doubt that xbox will ever catch PS2--this year or four years from now.
But in 2-3 years how many of the 50 million PS2 owners will still be actively buying software and playing their system? Many of those early adopters will have purchased an xbox or GC, and assuming 3rd party practices stay the same, with the choice of the same game on PS2 or a competing console, which console will they buy the game for?
oh boohoo, you are relying on hope here. current third party practices stand that PS2 gets the most/best games (IMO :D) and XBox will get them later.. casual gamers DONT WAIT for the version, they will get the version that comes out..
and besides.. casual gamers wont have more than one console..
PS2 does, and always will have too much going for it.. whether you think XBox has the advantage or not in this regards, is pointless.. who will they buy the games for? PS2.. thats the console they will own :)
I know if I had a choice between a PS2 game and an xbox version, I\'d chose the xbox version everytime. It\'s just better (with very few exceptions). Right now the PS2 has mindshare and many of the new games first, but the latter isn\'t going to last forever, we all know that. What would happen then?
you dont know jack squat.. you know that if XBox continues to sell like complete CRAP, PS2 might actually INCREASE in this regard, you are relying completely on hope and no factual data Watchy.. if anything i\'d say my scenario is more likely..
but i dont know that for sure, we can only wait and see..
There are already rumblings that GTA4 will be released similtaneously on all platforms (or even that MS will buy the rights for it). So someone looking for a new console, that are priced the same, is going to buy which system? If the only difference is performance, why not go for the best looking/playing game?
rumblings my ass (no pun intended :p)
get over it, they will go with what they hear is better.. not performancewise, but just the games, the name.. the satisfaction :p just like PSX last gen, PS2 this gen should continue to do well
this is already showing itself in that PS2 is outselling XBox at a VAST MAJORITY.. your hoping that PS2 sales slow WAY down and XBox sales pick way up?? and if this was the case that Sony\'s sales would slow to a hault? please Watchdog, too much hope buddy.. just watch
So I don\'t think xbox will ever have a larger userbase, but that isn\'t really important. It\'s the active userbase that is. Of course things could keep going like they are and xbox will remain a distant second for the duration, but the possibility is there.
ok ok ok, the possibility may be there.. but c\'mon.. ugh
Either way, I have both consoles and it matters very little to me--although, I\'d like to hear from some of the people here if that ever comes to pass.
Truth be told, if I were to put my money on a company, I\'d go with Sony everytime. I\'m merely pointing out that there is a possibility and that total userbase isn\'t the only important factor.
*grabs popcorn and watches the story of the console war unfold with watchdog resting on his shoulder*
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Dang, 3 whole years bobo and you\'re still saying the same crap. Your a 1st year uni student for gods sake! Say something "intellectual" or "yuppyish" ... like the connection between the PS2 and the jumbled thread of the human soul\'s complexity.
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NNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
and its only an arts course.. nothing intellectual there
and the same crap is still effective.. i beat your ass down quite a few times with that crap :p
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OOOO WAS THAT A KNIGHT-TALK DUEL CHALLENGE?!?!
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Hey I\'m not hoping anything beyond that the xbox does well enough to be profitable. With the sales in the US that seems likely. Beyond that I really don\'t care.
I\'m just adding a perspective that is often ignored in this forum. I\'m only saying that what I said is possible. Look at the 16-bit era and what happened to the Genesis and Sega. Genesis had a huge userbase and was well ahead of SNES. Genny was ahead for the vast majority, but in the 4rth year, it lagged behind and N was king again.
It happened once. Tyson was knocked out by Buster Douglas. The Pats won the Super Bowl. Etc. Upsets happen and nothing is so predictable (bedsides PS2 fanboys on this forum :)) that there is no room for debate.
Who is anyone here to say that N won\'t mend ties with Square, Buy Rockstar games and release all thier franchise games this year? Who\'s to say MS won\'t? Or Sony? Certainly any of this is possible.
I will say one thing IF the reports are true and MS is worried about consoles impinging on their PC profits then MS wants this very badly and they will reach into their pockets and spend whatever it takes to be successful--even if it\'s only in the States. And if MS really wants to I can\'t see them failing. This is all MS does and if PCs begin to lag where would that leave MS? I don\'t think they\'d let this happen.
But like I said anything is possible.
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well let me say this
you cant argue a point with possibilities
as you cant win with hypothesies and all without backing evidence and such
pretty voids anything you said
*learned this in ENglish Composition today lol*
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You don\'t have it exactly right. Everything you argue is just a possibility, it\'s how it\'s presented and if there is a valid argument behind it that is key.
One could say: The sky could fall tommorrow.
Or one could say: The sky could fall tommorrow; there is an asteroid hurtling through space.
The only possibility I put forth is that MS could gain mindshare. It\'s happened before in this industry. There\'s nothing stopping it now.
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pfft, your still talking crap tho Watchy :p
the possibility is there, but only if a whole heap of other unlikely events (which you say are more than likely) occur..
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m$ could dominate the console market...
clyde could grow wings and fly around flinging poop at will...
see a resemblence?
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I\'m talking crap because I\'m talking against the PS2.
Why is it so impossible to believe that in 2 years the xbox could out sell the PS2 on a month to month basis?
You honestly expect Sony to dominate the console industry forever, without ever missing a beat? The PS2 isn\'t an infalable piece of hardware and it\'s two years older than xbox.
Look I\'m not saying it\'s going to happen, but the possibility is there. Who though SNES was going to catch genesis? Who thought Sony was going to overthrow Nintendo and Sega? Who though MS could beat Sony?
The answer to all three is nobody (or very few).
It wouldn\'t take a whole heap of things to happen, just a lot money, and good business desicions and you\'ve got yourself a possibility, and not one that is completely ludicrous.
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in two years its entirely possible for the xbox to catch up and surpass the the PS2 ONLY ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS.
i wholeheartedly agree with you on that
but you must agree with me then that the xbox WILL NEVER MATCH THE PS2\'s installed user base, than and now
then roughly 3 years from now, the PS3 comes out
and the cycle starts over again. sony WILL BE the dominating home console maker for the next few generation. it would take m$ buying up EVERY major developer, and this is a tactic i dont put very far from them. this is how they came to rule the PC market
considering my hatred for nintendo, i entirely hope m$ takes second place this round
finally watch, we\'re meeting on the same level
:)
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mm, really, we never are that far apart. We are just both stubborn and stick firmly to our fine points, no matter how close they actually are to each other.
mm, read above, read in previous threads, I\'m not nearly that dillusional to think that xbox can ever catch PS2. It\'s the month to month that I think is a possibility.
I\'m not sure that MS will allow Sony a head start like they did this generation. I expect that xbox2 and PS3 will go head to head and I expect xbox2 to lose that war too, but that\'s all speculative.
And I also agree that MS would have to dig deeply into their pockets--actually I\'m sure they will. MS didn\'t get into this business for the love of games (neither did Sony), they came to make money and that\'s something MS is very good at. So long as MS doesn\'t lose a boatload of money (and it doesn\'t look like they will), they\'ll be around for round 2.
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/me nods in agreement
btw, you ever gonna get a userpic? yer at 724 posts already
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I\'ve been looking, but nothing apropriate has caught my eye yet. I\'ll get one eventually.