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http://www.coolnet.jp/english/press_release.html (http://www.coolnet.jp/english/press_release.html)
http://www.sega.jp/release/nr020325_1.html (http://www.sega.jp/release/nr020325_1.html)
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Sega is partnering with a company called "Coolnet Entertainment" to remake classic titles from Dreamcast, Saturn, and Genesis, bringing them back to life on the Xbox console. They will be remakes of these titles, made new for the Xbox.
http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsega.jp%2Frelease%2Fnr020325_1.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2 (http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fsega.jp%2Frelease%2Fnr020325_1.html&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=2)
Incorporated company Cool network Entertainment (head office : Ota-ku, Tokyo, the representative director president : Shigeo Kamata) and incorporated company Sega (head office : Ota-ku, Tokyo, the representative director president : Hideki Sato) has agreed to develop jointly the version which sorted out the title which is also proud of deep-rooted popularity now, newly turned Xbox out of the game software of Dreamcast put on the market until now, Sega Saturn, and the MEGADO live, and was renewed as software.
While performing deliberations and selection among [ after taking into consideration marketability, the hope of you, a user, etc. ] both companies out of Sega Brando\'s game software put on the market about the title to develop until now [, such as Dreamcast, Sega Saturn, and the MEGADO live, ], development is also performed together after adding the specification of a Xbox no one but. Two or more sale of a title will be planned after the summer of 2002, and Sega will perform advertisement and sale about these software.
a concrete title name -- in addition, as soon as it is related and is decided formally later, I will announce anew
Cool network Entertainment Corporate outline
Name : Incorporated company cool network entertainment
Head office location : Postcode143-0016
1-17-2, Omori-kita, Ota-ku, Tokyo
Establishment date : October, 2001
The main contents of operating : 1. Development and Sale of Computer Software
2. Development Consignment of Computer Software
3. Plan and Sale of Character
4. Development and Sale of Toy
5. Development and Sale of Daily-Necessaries Miscellaneous Goods
6. Plan of Amusement Center, Management
7. Management of Copyright, Publishing Right, Right to Translate, Etc., Dealing
8. Homepage Management of Internet
9. Sale of Video Game and PC Software
10. Advertising Agency
discuss :)
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sega,
the king of bad buisness descisions..
they will never be the number one 3rd party, thats for sure
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So....some more ports headed fr M$\'s Port-Box?
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and.. who the heck is coolnet entertainment?
they are not even listed here http://games.ign.com/companies_c.html
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Why spend 300$ for an X-Box to play some sega games when you can just by a 40$ or less dc/sega and so on.....?
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Originally posted by cloud345
Why spend 300$ for an X-Box to play some sega games when you can just by a 40$ or less dc/sega and so on.....?
for graphics :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by cloud345
So....some more ports headed fr M$\'s Port-Box?
Now now Cloud... remember you regions !
its
Port BOX if the US and Europe
and the FLOP BOX for Japan
;)
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u guyz r m33n!!1 :o
I personally look foward to seeing an arcade perfect port of Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram on the Xbox... With online play, like the Japanese DC import.
:bounce:
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SEGA announced that they\'ll make some old remakes for PS2 aswell.
They didnt announce any titles, they said they would be revealed at E3.
By Sonys request I reckon.. Sony likes to shoot their guns at E3.
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This is a wonderful decisoin IMO. All of Sega\'s releases on PC have sold out within weeks - granted they didn\'t publish in (relatively) great numbers. People are still interested in their classic titles. The only way they can expereince them now are through these new systems.
This move has my official seal of approval/guarantted success. Go Sega.
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ugh, sega is overtaking EA and Midway as the console industry wh0re
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I have no interest in most of Sega\'s old software titles, but I would love a perfect version of Virtual On, Daytona, Panzer Saga, and a few more.
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What are you kidding me?
I think this is great for all those anti-SEGA-fools who hated SEGA back in the day and missed out on their great games. Now if the remakes are truly well-made remakes, then this is great. I don\'t want a straight port of 3+ year old games.
Panzer, Dragon Force, Nights, Shining Force,. the possibilities..
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what up with recent remakes, rehash?
lost your innovation sega?
Seems sega has gone down the drain a bit since it dropped the DC :confused: I mean both JGRF and GV bombed, SA2 on GC is rehash and segas ps2 games totally suck (headhunter the mgs2 killer blows balls IMO)
The only good thing I have seen from sega lately was the amazing Rez game, which deserves a place in the gallery of best game sever made IMO
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Originally posted by datamage
What are you kidding me?
I think this is great for all those anti-SEGA-fools who hated SEGA back in the day and missed out on their great games. Now if the remakes are truly well-made remakes, then this is great. I don\'t want a straight port of 3+ year old games.
Panzer, Dragon Force, Nights, Shining Force,. the possibilities..
You\'re right, dm...
Its not just for the anti-Sega crowd but for the fans, too.
People who couldn\'t get a copy of Panzer Saga or Shining Force 3 (1-3)...
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Originally posted by cloud345
So....some more ports headed fr M$\'s Port-Box?
I believe these games are going to be re-made for the Xbox, they are not going to take an existing game and port it, they are going to completely re-make a new version of the game for the Xbox taking advantage of the Xbox\'s features.
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Originally posted by Chrono
sega,
the king of bad buisness descisions..
they will never be the number one 3rd party, thats for sure
Why would you call this a bad business decision? They are going to make games for what is fast becoming a very popular gaming console. Sounds like money in the bank to me. I don\'t think that the Xbox will be the number one selling console, but I do think it is going to be around for a long time. So re-doing some great old games for the system makes good sense.
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Originally posted by NPYYZ
Why would you call this a bad business decision? They are going to make games for what is fast becoming a very popular gaming console. Sounds like money in the bank to me. I don\'t think that the Xbox will be the number one selling console, but I do think it is going to be around for a long time. So re-doing some great old games for the system makes good sense.
7985 X box sales in japan in the one week has something to do with it ;)
Edit
XBOX: 7.292 Sales
opppppsssss i gave them 693 Sales more sales ;)
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please dont give m$ any more credit then necesarry, thank you
:)
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Originally posted by mm
please dont give m$ any more credit then necesarry, thank you
:)
opps sorry
it WON\'T happen again ;)
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Now now Cloud... remember you regions !
its
Port BOX if the US and Europe
and the FLOP BOX for Japan
Im sorry ooseven :( but Im all USA so PORT BOX is alright for me.
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NiGHTS+Xbox=can\'t imagine!!!!! I really hope this is in the works.
Me, being a Sega whore and all, take this as nothing but excellent news.
Games I would like to see remade...
Panzer Dragoon, Zwei, Saga
Space Channel 5
Daytona
Sega Rally
Fighters Megamix
NiGHTS
Skies of Arcadia
Samba De Amigo
Last Bronx
I mean both JGRF and GV bombed
Where have you seen sales figures for all territories?
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Honestly, I could care less about what Saturn.. and expecially Dreamcast games are being remade on the Xbox. Those can BE graphically enhanced without changing the gameplay.. but it\'s those Genesis games that are being remade which interest me. Updating those into 3d would be like creating whole new games.. it\'s impossible to upgrade those into 3D without changing the core gameplay. If they are going to stay 2D with just a ton more pixels & effects added in.. then -depending on how many titles are released- the Xbox is set up to be THE 2D gaming machine for this generation.
Unfortunately, I\'m a stickler for Nostalgia.. and I already have most of the great Sega genesis games on Genny or my PC\'s emulator, so I\'m not particularly moved to buy a Xbox because of this. Still, it\'s good news to those who like good 2D games and like enhancements.
And to whoever said that Sega is loosing their "Originality and Innovation" by making this move.. well.. just remember that Sega isn\'t programming these games.. they\'re licencing them out to a company (Coolnet) for a few extra bucks on the royalties they\'ll garner. New and innovative games will still come out of Sega\'s dev teams once they get through porting all their Dreamcast games to other consoles (Cough *Ecco* *JGRF* *Seaman* Ect Cough*)
Besides, everyone else does it.. and most everyone else makes bucketloads of cash doing so. As long as they keep producing a steady stream of original titles as well, I don\'t mind sequels and re-releases of old games. Dosen\'t Sega deserve to make bucketloads of cash too? When in Rome...
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It amazes me, when Sega ports something or what not, everyone is all up in arms about how they are "losing their innovation", yet if EA throws out YET ANOTHER damn sports game, it makes it way up on the charts for the year, not to mention gets praise from every fanboy.
I will agree it seems as though Sega lost some touch since they left the DC, but it isn\'t *that* big of a deal. Rez was awesome, NFL2K2 is awesome, JSRF was dissapointing and GV is actually a pretty good game if you get used to the control (it takes time, trust me).
In my opinion, it\'s a great move for Sega.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
In my opinion, it\'s a great move for Sega.
yeah more £££££££\'s $$$$$$$$$\'s and ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥\'s for Sega
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Originally posted by SonyFan
New and innovative games will still come out of Sega\'s dev teams once they get through porting all their Dreamcast games to other consoles (Cough *Ecco* *JGRF* *Seaman* Ect Cough*)
JSRF is not a port of the DC game...
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oh yeah, they added a character and a few levels
:rolleyes:
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JSRF is not a port of the DC game... - Rikku
There\'s been quite a bit of debate about that. The best comprimise I come to is to call it Jet Grind Radio v 1.5. From all that I\'ve heard here, at XboxWeb, and GameFaqs forums, it\'s the same basic game with more characters, more missions, more art, and one large continuous world instead of a mission map. Really, they\'re doing the same thing with PSO for the Xbox and GameCube. Sure it\'ll have more of everything.. but it\'s still PSO no matter how many tweaks and updates they toss in.
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I guess VF4 is a port of VF3 with a couple new characters and updated graphics. :rolleyes:
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Panzer Dragoon,Daytona, Sega Rally,Sega Rally2,Nights,Skies of Arcadia,Last Bronx...it should be cool...
But the game I want is SegaRally3 ! Alteredbeast,do you know something about it?
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Originally posted by SonyFan
There\'s been quite a bit of debate about that. The best comprimise I come to is to call it Jet Grind Radio v 1.5. From all that I\'ve heard here,
From all you heard...you haven\'t even played the game. You shouldn\'t be arguing about it.
it\'s the same basic game with more characters, more missions, more art, and one large continuous world instead of a mission map.
It has all new levels, a new premise, new grind system, different story, and new enemies. It\'s sequel, not a port.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
There\'s been quite a bit of debate about that. The best comprimise I come to is to call it Jet Grind Radio v 1.5. From all that I\'ve heard here, at XboxWeb, and GameFaqs forums, it\'s the same basic game with more characters, more missions, more art, and one large continuous world instead of a mission map. Really, they\'re doing the same thing with PSO for the Xbox and GameCube. Sure it\'ll have more of everything.. but it\'s still PSO no matter how many tweaks and updates they toss in.
The game is a sequel. It has new characters, new levels, new grind techniques, and a new tagging system.
That would be like saying Twisted Metal Black is Twisted Metal 2...I\'m sure you understand now.
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Originally posted by mm
oh yeah, they added a character and a few levels
:rolleyes:
Added from what? Nothing was brought over from the original except the visual style...
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Well actually Data, yeah, that\'s pretty much right. You could very easily see it that way. It\'s part of the reason why I don\'t get into fighters too much... expecially the StreetFighter II series. To much same-ole, same-ole.
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rikku, i own JGRF
its the DC version with another character and a few more levels
*yawn*
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I own it also...and it\'s quite obvious it\'s not a port. That\'s what was being argued. It is a sequel, you being a sony fan should know what those are all to well.
Calling JSRF a port of JGR is like saying FFX is FF7...
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i didnt say it was a STRAIGHT port, did i?
yer being obnoxious at any rate
so yer saying ffx is graphically any better than ff7?
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Originally posted by mm
i didnt say it was a STRAIGHT port, did i?
It\'s not a port at all. You tell me what was brought over from the first game besides the characters...
yer being obnoxious at any rate
Whatever...
so yer saying ffx is graphically any better than ff7? [/B]
JSRF is to Jet Grind Radio as FFX is to FF7.
Both have the basically the same premise but in decidely different worlds with tweaked/slightly different gameplay.
Please tell me you understand this...
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JSRF is to Jet Grind Radio as FFX is to FF7.
No its not. Lets say for a moment that JSRF is a *sequal* to JGR. FFX and FF7 have nothing to do with eachother. The series is not a group of sequals. Your saying JGRF is a sequal to JGR.
And from what Ive heard from everyone except you its a port. I dont even know how you can even compare FF7 to ANy other RPG it has better graphics and is just an awsome game.....(well not better graphics but if it did /me drools.) :nerd:
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the xbox version is no graphically better than the DC version.
IN FACT, the xbox version suffers from MAJOR glitches which the DC version did not. go into a corner, swting the camera around and WOW, you got xray vision! just another little xbox feature i guess
next, youll tell me tony hawk 2x isnt a port from tony hawk 2
:rolleyes:
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the xbox version is no graphically better than the DC version
Wow mm,.. I am shocked beyond words right now if you believe that is true.
Once I return from work I\'ll reply to that.
Cloud, and everyone else who thinks it\'s a port. I don\'t think you guys know what a port is. A port is a carbon copy of the same game. Jet Set Radio Future is not Jet Grind Radio. It might not be the sequel you expected, but it is not a straight port of JGR.
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noone is saying that it is a stright port, but it does not merit saying its anything original in any way shape or form
indeed, i see no graphical improvement over the DC version
JGR for DC was a game almost built to perfection, but one thing limited it, monotony. at that my friend, was carried over to JGRF as well.
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mm, by that definition, 90% of sequels are ports. Everything is new, except the characters. And put in JGR now and take a good look. Even disregarding the size of the levels, there is a lot more going on. The graphics are tremendously better.
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come on now, sequals ports?
the portbox is doing what N64 did at the begining of its course. acquiring games and adding little for repaying for the game.
silent hill 2, onimusha, JGRF, tony hawk 2x, etc. etc.
i do play JGR, i prefer it to JGRF
professor x is hella annoying in JGRF
plus DC controller > xbox controller
we\'re going in a circle here
i say JGRF is a port, you say it isnt
:nut:
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And all I\'m saying is that JSRF is not in the same category as silent hill 2, onimusha, or tony hawk 2x.
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There is no inverse formula for y = 2^x + 2x. That is, the formula y = 2^x + 2x can not be inverted to reflect its inverse function.
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lol avatar
:D
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Originally posted by mm
come on now, sequals ports?
the portbox is doing what N64 did at the begining of its course. acquiring games and adding little for repaying for the game.
silent hill 2, onimusha, JGRF, tony hawk 2x, etc. etc.
i do play JGR, i prefer it to JGRF
professor x is hella annoying in JGRF
plus DC controller > xbox controller
we\'re going in a circle here
i say JGRF is a port, you say it isnt
:nut:
Try to raise you at the level which\'s due to you:)
I\'ll get JSRF in a couple of weeks,then I\'ll reply to you!:)
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Originally posted by mm
lol avatar
:D
What? Its true. You try finding the inverse formula for that equation. Its bloody impossible!
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Originally posted by cloud345
No its not. Lets say for a moment that JSRF is a *sequal* to JGR. FFX and FF7 have nothing to do with eachother.
Exactly...they do however have the same goal in mind. They are set in different worlds, different times, new characters, new challenges.
NOTHING WAS BROUGHT OVER FROM THE FIRST DC GAME EXCEPT THE CHARACTERS!!!!! They even added 12 new ones...
Tony hawk 2x is a port because they took the same exact game, gave it a little graphical tweak, added a level or two, and put an X on it.
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Tony hawk 2x is a port because they took the same exact game, gave it a little graphical tweak, added a level or two, and put an X on it.
which is what they did with JGRF
oh no, they added an F instead
perhaps its stands for failure
/me shrugs
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Originally posted by mm
which is what they did with JGRF
oh no, they added an F instead
perhaps its stands for failure
/me shrugs
You still haven\'t told me what they brought over from the first game besides the characters...levels? no...grind system? no...enemies? no...graffiti? no...tagging technique? no...
I\'m all outta ideas...why don\'t you help me out...
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grafitti? you cant import yer pics in the xbox version. tsk tsk
levels look the same. nuff said there
tagging? they dummy-fied it for the xbox version. all you have to do is push a button, not complete a series of analog moves
enemies? *yawn*
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Originally posted by mm
grafitti? you cant import yer pics in the xbox version. tsk tsk
Yah, I wonder how many people took advantage of it in the first game...:rolleyes:
levels look the same. nuff said there
And yet they aren\'t the same...of course they were going to have the same graphical style.
tagging? they dummy-fied it for the xbox version. all you have to do is push a button, not complete a series of analog moves
Because the levels are much larger than anything you\'ll find in the first one. I couldn\'t imagine having to do analog moves on stages such as Dinosaurian Park or The Fortified Residential Zone...could you?
enemies? *yawn*
They were quite dull...but fact is they weren\'t from the first one.
Anything else??
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mm you usually have a well defended point, but youare flat out wrong with this debate.
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Originally posted by mm
grafitti? you cant import yer pics in the xbox version. tsk tsk
levels look the same. nuff said there
tagging? they dummy-fied it for the xbox version. all you have to do is push a button, not complete a series of analog moves
enemies? *yawn*
Damn the analog moves made a key feature for the DC version
Also for console to have a HDD as Standard and not to take advantage of import yer pics is laughable.
but then again having your "PS2 killer" :rolleyes: ...i.e. HALO with OUTonline support or play is = laughable.
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whos debating?
JGRF is a port, no matter what rikku tells me
its like people telling me there\'s no blur in rallisport, or the drops in framerate in halo arent noticable, or the xbox controller isnt too bulky.
its no matter of whos right. rikku thinks is isnt a port, i do
all we\'re doing is raising his post count
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Originally posted by mm
all we\'re doing is raising his post count
and mine ;)
:p
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.... speaking of which ....
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Originally posted by mm
whos debating?
JGRF is a port, no matter what rikku tells me
its like people telling me there\'s no blur in rallisport, or the drops in framerate in halo arent noticable, or the xbox controller isnt too bulky.
its no matter of whos right. rikku thinks is isnt a port, i do
all we\'re doing is raising his post count
I know it isn\'t a port because I have common sense...and the facts to back it up:p
Nothing else to defend your point?
I rest my case;)
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i think mm just thinks it feels like the exact same game.. like the developers didnt put any effort in to make it feel somewhat unique from the first one.. therfore what you do, feels like it is the first one.. :/
eh well
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I gathered that much from his posts, but what would you expect the sequel to play like???
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rikku, answer me this
do you even own JGR for DC?
its a simple equation
JGR + a new character and a few more levels = JGRF + visual defects + crappy control
JGR > JGRF
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Well, whats a true sequel?
Are Tekken 2 & 3 sequels? Its just basically the same game with new characters, tweaks, new moves, and updated graphics.
What games out there can truly be called sequels and what exactly is your definition of a sequel?
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obviously, if there\'s a 2 or a 3 after the name its not a port
putting an "x" or an "f" does
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Originally posted by mm
rikku, answer me this
do you even own JGR for DC?
Yes. I wouldn\'t be debating the subject if I didn\'t have hands on experience with both games.
its a simple equation
That doesn\'t apply here.
JGR + a new character and a few more levels = JGRF + visual defects + crappy control
Plus what...as said about 5 times now. Nothing was brought from the original so your "+" doesn\'t work. I have asked you twice, and here I go again...What was brought from the first game besides the characters? Answer me that...and don\'t say visual style, that\'s a given...
JGR > JGRF
You seem to think...I personally had more fun with JSRF...to each his own.
I just think this is another one of your Xbox rants...
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Originally posted by mm
obviously, if there\'s a 2 or a 3 after the name its not a port
putting an "x" or an "f" does
So you would be saying that Crash Bandicoot 2 was a true sequel to Crash Bandicoot. What about Spyro, Tekken, Twisted Metal...
[sarcasm]
Same character + a new one maybe...same style gameplay....same basic atmosphere...by your logic, wouldn\'t this be a port? Oh wait, it has a 2 on the end of it, must be a sequel. [/sarcasm]
I\'m confused as to what you think a sequel is...care to discuss?
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Originally posted by Ashford
Well, whats a true sequel?
Are Tekken 2 & 3 sequels? Its just basically the same game with new characters, tweaks, new moves, and updated graphics.
What games out there can truly be called sequels and what exactly is your definition of a sequel?
I don\'t know which one of us you are addressing, so here\'s mine.
An "chapter" perhaps in an ongoing series...a game that is set in the same universe (style,gameplay,goals) as the original and manages to keep the basic elements and improve upon them in some aspects (doesn\'t always apply) and/or implement new ideas.
What I\'m guessing mm\'s version is...anything that goes to PS2. If it goes to Xbox it is immediatley, without consideration, a port. Prove me wrong...
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Actually, Rikku, I was asking mm as I tend to side with you in this debate.
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Opps, sorry...that last part wasn\'t aimed at you, Ashford.