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Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Seed_Of_Evil on March 31, 2002, 03:47:21 AM
Here you are 4 pics more from the new great Mario title ( :D ) because every shot that comes to light is better and better. This game can\'t being been developed by Miyamoto:

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/me cross the fingers to it works (the pics I mean). IMO, and graphically speaking, this game looks worse than Mario64.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Nu on March 31, 2002, 04:15:24 AM
Bad screenshots. S\'gonna look much better in motion.

Looks like fun, too. :)
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Blade on March 31, 2002, 05:59:26 AM
It seems that there\'s some NPC interaction in SMS.

That\'s a different direction for the series.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: cloud345 on March 31, 2002, 06:20:56 AM
Noo! They arent there! I wanna see em :(
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Metal_Gear_Ray on March 31, 2002, 06:38:30 AM
they aint showing up but i have seen em at txb

they look bad, espevially the textures
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Nu on March 31, 2002, 06:52:53 AM
http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_1.jpg

http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_2.jpg

http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_3.jpg

http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_4.jpg

http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_5.jpg

http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_6.jpg

http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_7.jpg

http://www.newtechnix.com/Webmasters/supertony/Images/News_Gamecube_Mario_Sunshine_8.jpg
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: ooseven on March 31, 2002, 07:09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Metal_Gear_Ray
they aint showing up but i have seen em at txb

they look bad, espevially the textures


You went to TEAM X BOX !

:eek: Shame on YOU RAY SHAME ON YOU ! :eek:
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Seed_Of_Evil on March 31, 2002, 07:20:49 AM
Thanx Nu Gundam. It seems that nobody know a good ftp or something to put pics!
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: ooseven on March 31, 2002, 07:46:06 AM
it it just me or is  Miyamoto getting stranger day by day !

infact who here wants to bet that he will turn up at E3 this year naked with a GameCube Disk Covering his privates.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Halberto on March 31, 2002, 08:19:58 AM
But the sad thing is, we all know we will play it someday and heck, most of us will like it. :p
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Post by: JP on March 31, 2002, 08:36:44 AM
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Originally posted by ViVi
But the sad thing is, we all know we will play it someday and heck, most of us will like it. :p


Speak for yerself
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: RichG on March 31, 2002, 09:29:14 AM
From them screenshots you can tell that the Gamecube has the dreaded blur-o-vision textures technology. :p
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: shockwaves on March 31, 2002, 09:58:43 AM
When is this game scheduled to be released?  If these shots are only of a work in progress, the finished version could look much better.  I remember shots of Super Mario 64 before it was released, and they looked much worse than the finished version.

Besides, Graphics mean very little to me, especially in a game like that.  That\'s why my most played system is still NES.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: ooseven on March 31, 2002, 12:17:00 PM
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Originally posted by shockwaves
When is this game scheduled to be released?  If these shots are only of a work in progress, the finished version could look much better.  I remember shots of Super Mario 64 before it was released, and they looked much worse than the finished version.

Besides, Graphics mean very little to me, especially in a game like that.  That\'s why my most played system is still NES.


True but i have the strange fealing that the good people at Big N feal a lot happyer when Mr Miyamoto is out of town.

The pharse "quick he\'s gone " must be used a Heck of a lot at Nintendo HQ
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: kopking on March 31, 2002, 12:48:35 PM
doesnt look that good to me, but also i dont like cutesy games.....and dont really like platformers
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Blade on March 31, 2002, 04:16:57 PM
If Nintendo could just date these images or at least tell us which build this is.. things would be much easier.

I have the SW2K1 Mario video on my HDD.. and even though it doesn\'t blow away the other games being released this year.. the video looks about 5 times better than those screenshots. In the video, you can see Mario\'s face clearly; shadowing is implemented, filtering is implemented, some form of FSAA is probably implemented.. perhaps bump-mapping also.

These screenshots are pathetic looking, but based on what this system is capable of and what the 7-month-old SW2K1 showed.. the final result should be much, much better. When Rogue Squadron II and Pikmin were first shown, many of the visual effects we take for granted these days weren\'t applied in RS2 yet, the framerate was hell in Pikmin. The same could likely be said about these SMS shots.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: fastson on March 31, 2002, 05:48:07 PM
I sure as hell hopes it looks better in motion.

Cuz Jak and Daxter are having a fun time raping Mario right now ;)
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: IronFist on March 31, 2002, 08:55:10 PM
I saw those pics a couple days ago, and I immediately had the urge to play it!  I can\'t wait.  Screw the graphics, and screw all of you jaded graphics whores! :p  Again, I can\'t wait.  This is the game that will make me buy a NGC.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on March 31, 2002, 09:03:12 PM
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Originally posted by fastson
I sure as hell hopes it looks better in motion.

Cuz Jak and Daxter are having a fun time raping Mario right now ;)


now THATS a video i would be willing to download
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: rastalant on March 31, 2002, 09:18:36 PM
These graphics are looking plain weak.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Chrono on March 31, 2002, 09:27:57 PM
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now THATS a video i would be willing to download


you sick sick man :p
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on March 31, 2002, 09:39:05 PM
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Originally posted by rastalant
These graphics are looking plain weak.


thanks for the news flash rastalant.. i thought they were looking fantastic before you opened your mouth

*gets down on knees and prays that one day he will have the intelligence of Rastalant, Lord of the Cucumber*
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: rastalant on March 31, 2002, 09:40:53 PM
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware


thanks for the news flash rastalant.. i thought they were looking fantastic before you opened your mouth

*gets down on knees and prays that one day he will have the intelligence of Rastalant, Lord of the Cucumber*



LOL!!!!!!!!!  Anytime bob.:laughing: :laughing:
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: cloud345 on March 31, 2002, 09:41:48 PM
LOL @ Bob.


Lord Of the Cucumber. But seriously cucumbers are good. /me drools.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Nu on April 01, 2002, 04:09:35 AM
This game is going to be teh phun!!1 And pretty lookin\' too(These are just bad screen captures, guys. GCN is like notorious for this, right? :p)
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on April 01, 2002, 05:37:42 AM
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Originally posted by Nu Gundam
This game is going to be teh phun!!1 And pretty lookin\' too(These are just bad screen captures, guys. GCN is like notorious for this, right? :p)


bad screen captures my ass.. sure the videos look better (they always do) but c\'mon.. you can tell that thegames graphics are just weak
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Nu on April 01, 2002, 05:42:54 AM
Not really. Its not a huge technical achievement but it sure does get the job done. Game is using lots of DoF, and it looks pretty nice in motion... While it gives it a bleh-ish blurry look in the screenshots.

And the GCN just sucks when it comes to screen captures. Remember those Metroid Prime screenshots? How about Pikmin? There was a reason... I just forgot. :shy:
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on April 01, 2002, 05:44:18 AM
yeah, but they didnt look like N64 games..  :shy:
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: Nu on April 01, 2002, 05:45:07 AM
... Tuche`. :)
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Post by: BizioEE on April 01, 2002, 12:19:42 PM
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Originally posted by IronFist
I saw those pics a couple days ago, and I immediately had the urge to play it!  I can\'t wait.  Screw the graphics, and screw all of you jaded graphics whores! :p  Again, I can\'t wait.  This is the game that will make me buy a NGC.


I\'m with you Iron,can\'t wait to play a true next gen platform:) !
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Post by: kangu-G^Ltt^s on April 01, 2002, 04:33:36 PM
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Originally posted by fastson
I sure as hell hopes it looks better in motion.

Cuz Jak and Daxter are having a fun time raping Mario right now ;)


You have got to be kidding me. Jak and Daxter was one of the least original, least memorable plataformers I have probably ever played. The only redeeming aspects of the game were it\'s graphics and the control, but otherwise it was a total dissapointment.

I\'m sure you have no idea how Mario Sunshine will play, and niether do I, but the only way it can turn out worse than J&D is if they .... actually I can\'t think of any way that it could turn out worse. Even if Nintendo just flat out gives us an update to Mario 64 it\'ll still be better than Naughty Dog\'s uninsipred souless clone.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: mm on April 01, 2002, 04:52:29 PM
err, what else is there besides graphics and control?

atmosphrere?  had that
quality audio?  had that
advertising that featured scantily clad women?  had that

good graphics + good control = ?

:confused:
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: kangu-G^Ltt^s on April 01, 2002, 05:08:09 PM
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Originally posted by mm
err, what else is there besides graphics and control?

atmosphrere?  had that
quality audio?  had that
advertising that featured scantily clad women?  had that

good graphics + good control = ?

:confused:


How about gameplay?

An interesting challenge to keep you playing; a clever reward for your efforts; something to look forward to in the game; an element of exploration or discovery; action sequences that require some amount of finger dexterity; puzzles that get you to use your grey matter...

Any one of these things could have made J&D a better game. Given enough time and money any developer can implement good control and good graphics in their games, but good gameplay is something that requires creativity, and a certain touch. As much time as some developers may take, sometimes they just can\'t make their games fun.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: mm on April 01, 2002, 05:19:48 PM
atmosphere = gameplay

j&d has plenty of it

a crappy ending, mind you, but dont 95% of all games today?
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: fastson on April 01, 2002, 05:39:13 PM
Innovative or not..

At least I enjoyed the hell out of it. And thats what’s important, to me.
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Post by: Blade on April 01, 2002, 07:36:08 PM
J&D might have gameplay, but it certainly isn\'t that great in the graphics department.

I played it for a good 5 minutes on a kiosk yesterday.. and all I could think was "Donkey Kong 64".
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: fastson on April 01, 2002, 07:42:58 PM
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Originally posted by Blade
J&D might have gameplay, but it certainly isn\'t that great in the graphics department.

I played it for a good 5 minutes on a kiosk yesterday.. and all I could think was "Donkey Kong 64".


Composite cables right?
I play mine via a SCART RGB, 32" Wega tv..

Game looks absolute gorgeous.. One of the best looking games ever IMO.
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Post by: IronFist on April 01, 2002, 10:35:21 PM
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Originally posted by fastson
Game looks absolute gorgeous.. One of the best looking games ever IMO.

Yeah, the graphics in J&D are beautiful.  Sometimes I boot it up just to go around looking at the graphics.

Kind of off topic -- Naughty Dog said the sequel will focus more on gameplay.  A lot of work went into the engine for J&D, so adding lots of innovative gameplay was probably their last priority.  Now that the engine is built, they can focus mainly on gameplay and add their new graphical tweaks to the engine (like bump mapping) as a second priority.

Oh, and the sound was great, and the voices were dead on, but the music sucked!  This isn\'t the 16 bit generation anymore Naughty Dog.  The systems are capable of a lot better music.
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Post by: kangu-G^Ltt^s on April 01, 2002, 11:21:23 PM
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Originally posted by IronFist

Oh, and the sound was great, and the voices were dead on, but the music sucked!  This isn\'t the 16 bit generation anymore Naughty Dog.  The systems are capable of a lot better music.


I was particularly dissapointed in the sound myself. Mainly because all of the trailers I saw prior to the games release had really cool music, and the music in the actual game was completely different. It sounded like a bunch of random sound effects.
Title: More pathetic Mario Sunshine shots
Post by: IronFist on April 02, 2002, 01:09:52 AM
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Originally posted by kangu-G^Ltt^s
I was particularly dissapointed in the sound myself. Mainly because all of the trailers I saw prior to the games release had really cool music, and the music in the actual game was completely different. It sounded like a bunch of random sound effects.

Exactly.  After seeing the many many trailers, I was shocked when the music was so much crappier.  Music (or the lack thereof in the case of ICO) is one of the best immersion tools in a video game.  It can give a game with even the crappiest graphics a sense of actually being there.  Unfortunately, NaughtyDog didn\'t use that fact to their advantage, and instead gave us boring "sound effects" as you call it (I agree with that completely -- it really wasn\'t "music" to me).  It didn\'t take away from the game, but it definately didn\'t help it like music should.  I hope that they make the music a higher priority in their next game.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on April 02, 2002, 08:56:42 AM
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Originally posted by kangu-G^Ltt^s


How about gameplay?

An interesting challenge to keep you playing; a clever reward for your efforts; something to look forward to in the game; an element of exploration or discovery; action sequences that require some amount of finger dexterity; puzzles that get you to use your grey matter...


wtf?  an interesting challenge to keep you playing?  

1.  the games story was kinda interesting from a platforming perspective..

2. the idea of collecting items for an actual purpose is much MUCH more rewarding than "collect 100 coins and get an extra life" and what not..  what the hell are you talking about?

3. Something to look forward to?  like what? theres nothing in any other platformer ive played that has had \'something to look forward to\' other than finishing the game/finding out more story.. this at least does have new acesssible areas, vehicles, enemies, challenges, storyline of course.. and others

4. an element of exploration and discovery???  come on man, this has more of that than any platformer ive ever played.. particular with the implementation of having an entire world renderred, rather than just a singular level to go through over and over (7 times perhaps :)) to get everything..

5. there are plenty of action sequences, my personal fav. part of the game is using the hover vehicles, damn that can get like Pod Racer sometimes

6.  Puzzles?  eh, yeah there are some of that