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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: cloud345 on April 02, 2002, 04:31:21 PM
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April 01, 2002 - Yu Suzuki and AM2 shocked attendees of Sega\'s GameJam event with the news of a GameCube edition in the Virtua Fighter series to mark the 10th anniversary of Virtua Fighter 1 \'s arcade debut. As previously reported, the game will be an action-adventure game rather than a fighter, and will feature the entire cast from the series.
Sega\'s press release for the game doesn`t reveal too much aside from a target audience. Sega mentions that the game is targetted to everyone from children to adults, meaning that we probably shouldn`t expect anything too kiddie or too violent. Suzuki commented at the announcement that he`d actualy discussed the game with Nintendo`s Shigeru Miyamoto, which always makes us happy.
We also have what would\'ve been the first screenshot for the game, had we been sitting a bit closer to the stage. Unfortunately, we were far enough away so that our digital camera entered "Digital Zoom" mode when we tried to zoom in on the screen shots Suzuki was holding in his hands, making this the closest we could get to anything discernable:
A sky, a Sun and what seems to be a dialogue box are somewhat discernable in the. Maybe one of the Virtua Fighters is summoning the sun god to come down from the sky and defeat the evil Dural! Anyhow, as we said in our previous article, all we could see from our vantage point were green and red blurs.
Here are some more shots of the screens form different angles, this time showing Suzuki as he held the pamphlet containing the shots:
* Pamphlet - 1
* Pamphlet - 2
* Pamphlet - 3
And for those who have to see everything, here\'s the source video from which we grabbed the shots.
They said its not geared for kids or adults . I hope they dont make it TOO kiddie. In between is fine for me. I hope if there is fighting hey have atleast blood.....
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*thinks that it\'ll be accessible to kids and adults just like the other Virtua Fighter games*
*also thinks that Suzuki-san made a point of adults enjoying the game so the kiddy talk would stop*
I think he mentioned something about it being unfair at GameJam; the kiddy stereotype for Nintendo.
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Blade, you should put in for a job as a Micrsoft Spindoctor..
I like.. rather love nintendo,
but i\'m not afriad to say they are targeting kids, they said it themselves
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but chrono they are not targeting kids.... is resident evil a kiddy game? They even said this will be for both kids and adults as all games should.
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but chrono they are not targeting kids.... is resident evil a kiddy game? They even said this will be for both kids and adults as all games should.
And look how RE sales turned out... :rolleyes:
Nintendo said themselves they are targeting kids, that does not mean they will ignore the adults.. they are TARGETING kids, not only catering to them
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Originally posted by Chrono
And look how RE sales turned out... :rolleyes:
Yea, a pathetic 100,000 in two days. How will Capcom recover?
:shy:
:rolleyes:
-Eik
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
Yea, a pathetic 100,000 in two days. How will Capcom recover?
:shy:
:rolleyes:
-Eik
Is it me, or does Nintendo think that having the RE series exclusive was going to get them alot more sales? I think they were aiming to have this game spike up the sales for NGC, but it didn\'t happen. Oh well, give it time, and this game will sell a little more. I guess the japanese wanted a whole new game.
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Yea, a pathetic 100,000 in two days. How will Capcom recover?
That would be ok.. if sales were to continue like that
problem is the game did not sell 100k this week also, it probably sold closer to 60k based on my estimates
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Chrono: You\'re starting to bug me. I\'m not a spindoctor, Nintendo has never, ever targeted children. Nintendo\'s president for 50 years said that he cringes when he hears that garbage.. he never promoted the idea of making games specifically for kids.
This is the stereotypical bull-chit that Suzuki-san is trying to dispose of with his comments; that Nintendo is trying to shake off by publishing games from studios like Retro and Silicon Knights. Nintendo has always made games that everybody can play, not just kids. Wake up and smell the coffee. :)
As for Resident Evil, one chart was open for 3 days and the game sold 104,000 copies in those 3 days.. not bad for a M-rated game on a system with only 1.3 million users in Japan. Also, Resident Evil has maintained no.1 for the past week with the exception of one day.. the sales numbers have yet to be reported.
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You\'re starting to bug me. I\'m not a spindoctor, Nintendo has never, ever targeted children. Nintendo\'s president for 50 years said that he cringes when he hears that garbage.. he never promoted the idea of making games specifically for kids.
Deal with it, nintendo SAID that
sorry if you can\'t come to grips with it, seek consoling or something
Also, Resident Evil has maintained no.1 for the past week with the exception of one day.. the sales numbers have yet to be reported.
Wow,
so impressive :rolleyes:
impressive in that the 3 day it was in first, it was up against nothing
Thats like saying I placed first against nobody.. let alone for only 3 days
The data will account for the 25th through April 1st..
lets see here
April 1st- 7th
March 31st- 6th
30th- 6th
29th- 8th
28th- Not on the list
27th- 1st
26th- 1st
25th- 1st
Of the 3 days it was in first, it beat
J.LEAGUE pro soccer club! (2002/3/7) and Saukra Wars 4 (2002/3/21)
Wow, so impressive
:rolleyes:
Of course then new games came out and quickly knocked it down the charts.. I expect 70k max sales for that week, 50k being more likely
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Cloud
do you have some scans of the Pamphlet ?
is so could you link me :)
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Bleh, your posts in the past made some sense.. but now I see how blind you truly are.
Life lesson: Read.. take in as much information as possible. Never assume.
It was rumored that Resident Evil had shortages, BTW.
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Bleh, your posts in the past made some sense.. but now I see how blind you truly are.
resorting to personal attacks cause I prooved you wrong?
pitty pitty.. :laughing:
Life lesson: Read.. take in as much information as possible. Never assume.
I am very good at predicting information regarding the console industry. I\'ve been right many times in the past, and I keep on on obscure japaneese news too.
It was rumored that Resident Evil had shortages, BTW
ROFL, sure...
:laughing:
I also heard that the xbox had shortages too!
you belive that, i\'ll tell ya another one
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Chrono, what are you trying to prove?
What is the point of you posting in this thread?
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Chrono:
Deal with it, nintendo SAID that
Feel free to direct me to the quote. :)
I don\'t have the precise quote myself, but I\'ve read in interviews that Yamauchi, Miyamoto, and Nintendo in general hate when people accuse them of catering to solely children. Miyamoto is a middle-aged game producer that "makes games that he wants to play". There\'s plenty more evidence on this, but I don\'t have the time to list it; all in all, Nintendo is a family-friendly company. They have their lighter titles, like Mario 64.. and their darker titles, like Super Metroid. Neither is inappropriate for children, neither is shunned by adult gamers.
resorting to personal attacks cause I prooved you wrong?
pitty pitty..
Hehe, sorry for the "personal" attack.. but it was warranted. Practically everything you\'ve posted in this thread has been inaccurate.. except for maybe the Resident Evil numbers. The game was the no.1 seller from March 22nd to 26th, at least.. and other websites have reported that it was 1st on the 29th too. Got a link that proves otherwise?
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Hehe, sorry for the "personal" attack.. but it was warranted. Practically everything you\'ve posted in this thread has been inaccurate.. except for maybe the Resident Evil numbers. The game was the no.1 seller from March 22nd to 26th, at least.. and other websites have reported that it was 1st on the 29th too. Got a link that proves otherwise?
The data I posted above is 100% accurate
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/ranking/ori/game/game_d.html
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Ah, awesome.
Now.. where\'s my "Nintendo aiming for kids" quote? :)
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Cloud
do you have some scans of the Pamphlet ?
is so could you link me
Nope, sorry OOseven I dont even have a scanner. But the pics were over at gamespot but you cant see a thing.
As for blade and Chrono. Chrono for pointless flaming of nintendo you should get a warning from Ryu. This was a news thread. And it turned out to be a debate weather or not Nintendo is producing games for kids. Chrono.....if they are producing games for kids whats so wrong with that? But I fail to see how Eternal Darkness, RE, RE0, ect are geared for kids. What was the point of you bashin Nintendo? What was your point? Now can we stop this pointless fighting and accually admire the game?
/me hoping Ryu reads this so he can give Chrono a warning because he deserves one for the abrupt bashing of the game and the system.
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why should I dig up a link just for you blade?
you think i\'ve posted 2052 posts of BS
most people (exclusing biziee and watchdog) will agree I don\'t post BS
EDIT:
In other words, I don\'t make stuff up to support my arguments
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/me hoping Ryu reads this so he can give Chrono a warning because he deserves one for the abrupt bashing of the game and the system.
You better keep hoping then, cause I sent this link to ryu myself he seemed to have no problem with it.
and, what game did I bash, and what system did I bash.. you lost me
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I never said ya posted nothing but BS, you just seem to unfairly criticize Nintendo sometimes.
The same way that I might occasionally knock the Xbox or PS2.. but some of your reasoning is whacked!
Especially when it comes down to the kiddy issue. (or non-issue, as many would now agree)
You keep up on industry news, but I keep up on Nintendo news exclusively.. so I probably know more miniscule details. I can point out some things you\'ve said that only half-right or just plain wrong, due my concentrated researching of Nintendo. You\'ve posted outdated blows to Nintendo and brought up a few negative rumors that proved false, which shows that you can keep up with the gaming world.. but a lot of details and common sense get pushed aside in this case. Unless somebody has no life at all, or is a gaming journalist.. there\'s no way he could cover everything that happens within all of the game publishers/developers. ;)
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As for blade and Chrono. Chrono for pointless flaming of nintendo you should get a warning from Ryu. This was a news thread. And it turned out to be a debate weather or not Nintendo is producing games for kids.
So they went a bit off-topic, what\'s the big deal? This is still console debating and the two of them are arguing if Nintendo is aiming towards a younger audience. When one of them finds source quotes proving so, the debate will be over. :)
Also, the problem you fail to realize is that the quote Chrono is referring to I have seen as well. In fact, I showed it to him. It\'s hard to find a specific quote, but I\'m pretty sure it was said during Spaceworld 2K or 2K1. It\'s not a lie or a false quote, it does exist.
No warning will be issued, I would prefer that some facts were placed in these posts though.
Blade and Chrono, just unleash the weapons salvoes of fact and annihilate each other. Just keep the swearing and personal attacks out of it. I want a good clean fight, and no hitting below the belt! ;)
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I\'m not saying ninendo is ONLY targeting kids.. i\'m just saying it is their primary target. Hopefully this time its Primaryness is a little less. RE is a good start, tonight we should see how well it fared in week 2
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So they went a bit off-topic, what\'s the big deal? This is still console debating and the two of them are arguing if Nintendo is aiming towards a younger audience. When one of them finds source quotes proving so, the debate will be over.
Also, the problem you fail to realize is that the quote Chrono is referring to I have seen as well. In fact, I showed it to him. It\'s hard to find a specific quote, but I\'m pretty sure it was said during Spaceworld 2K or 2K1. It\'s not a lie or a false quote, it does exist.
No warning will be issued, I would prefer that some facts were placed in these posts though.
Blade and Chrono, just unleash the weapons salvoes of fact and annihilate each other. Just keep the swearing and personal attacks out of it. I want a good clean fight, and no hitting below the belt!
Well if no warning then i guess I will join the fight! LA REVELUTION! /me picks up thinking cap.
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Chrono if you say is true go search the web for a quote from Nintendo saying they are targeting kids. When you do I want a link and if in Japanese possibly a free translator if you wont do that ill find one myself.
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Chrono: For accuracy\'s sake.. how would you divide up Nintendo\'s target demographics?
Just because the games have brighter colors and friendly characters means that they\'re directed at kids, right? Personally, the only thing I think Nintendo ever aimed directly at kids is Pokemon.. with the cartoon and endless piles of games/merchandise. Outside of that, and a few select games (Yoshi\'s Story for N64 comes to mind) Nintendo has never catered specifically to the younger gamer. It\'s not their primary target right now.. but perhaps it was in 1999-2000, when Pokemon reached it\'s peak of popularity.
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I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again. Nintendo targeting the younger audience is no different than Disney making cartoons. However, I know plenty of adults who love Disney cartoons and the same could be said about Nintendo franchises .
While Nintendo\'s signing of the RE series does show some adult targeting, their main focus is still relys on the family / younger audience. This is not a bad thing though, infact, I personally think it is a smart thing just because no other company is targeting that audience. This allows Nintendo gurantee\'d sales and little competition. Even Nintendo agree\'s with that, as in one EGM (pre-E3 EGM, I believe) Nintendo said they did not see Sony or MS as direct competition.
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Exactly. Targetting the younger audience is not a bad thing at all. There are still quite a few gems that are made for every person on the planet and I for one am glad for that.
The best part is seeing Sony and Nintendo, in a way, tag-teamming MS. The mutual respect shown for eachother is awesome and I wish we could see more of it in the future. :)
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Well....I havent heard any quote or seen any links from Chrono so unless I hear from him soon this argument is over,
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Nintendo might have a big stake in the family-friendly market, but they\'re certainly not shrugging off (http://www.planetgamecube.com/impressions.cfm?action=profile&id=311) the other parts of the family.
Families typically include not only the parents and child.. but also your demented Uncle Bob. ;)
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I might be a bit late for this one, but I can also confirm that Nintendo has stated that they are targeting the younger audiance and that they are not in direct competition to Sony. Nintendo of Europe (Germany specifically) has said this personally. So Ryu and Chrono are correct on this one - and even if this wouldn\'t be proven, is it so hard to believe? Just look at the majority of games and the majority of owners of Nintendo\'s. This isn\'t bad, but just a interesting fact.
If anyone wants that link of Nintendo quoting this, I will try to dig it up.
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Seven.....you dont have any proof that they said that right now so why should I belive you? Get me proof and then Ill belive you...
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Seven.....you dont have any proof that they said that right now so why should I belive you? Get me proof and then Ill belive you...
cloud345.. its not just seven
Ryu, Myself and Seven have all reportedly seen the same quote.
If its so important to you, why don\'t you search for it yourself
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Get yourself a back issue of EGM. It is an interview with the President of Nintendo America, they talk about the GBA being a "trojan horse" for the NGC, launch games for the NGC and how Nintendo is not in direct competition with Sony or MS. It was a PRE-E3 issue last year.
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Blade and Cloud your arguing something that is a known fact. Everyone knows nintendo is aiming towards younger gamers. They have been doing it and they have said themselves. Everyone knows look at the games on N64 and look at gamecube. One RE title does not make them a adult system all of a sudden.
Everyone calls nintendo kiddy for a reason. Nothing is wrong with aiming for kids. So stop arguing something that we all know is true.
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NOA\'s Peter Main has said that they\'re not in direct competition with Sony and MS.. true.
Nintendo isn\'t putting out GT3 and SSX clones to take down Sony like Microsoft is. Over Christmas time, MS and Sony were fighting for the same market.. while Nintendo pushed out games like Pikmin and SSBM that don\'t have a "PS2 counterpart". :)
As for the younger demographic: Yes, it\'s a known fact that Nintendo has always been about the family; younger gamers being the lowest common denominator of a family; Nintendo has a good grip on the child\'s market. Although, Nintendo has never targetted the child gamer. Back in the 1980\'s.. when Nintendo was Nintendo (no obligations to "keep it clean" for parents) they made the same type of games they do today. If you tell Shigeru Miyamoto that he has the right to make a game that\'s twice as risque and violent as GTA3 (which he does have the right to, on GameCube) he\'ll turn it down and EAD will continue to produce the same "kiddy" software as always. It\'s simply their style, not the choice of higher-ups or ratings boards. Nintendo makes light-hearted games, and that\'s that. They like to do it! As for Pokemon, that\'s not even a Nintendo concept.. Game Freak is a 2nd-party.
You have a few exceptions, like some of the stuff coming from Intelligent Systems and R&D1, (Metroid) but other than those games.. everything from Nintendo consoles has a whimsical, light-hearted feel. On the 1st-party side anyways.. they have 2nd-parties for the "mature" stuff. ;)
Funny thing is, I never see kids at the mall playing GameCube. It\'s always PS2 PS2 PS2. My brother comes home from school.. starts talking about the gaming buzz among his middle school colleagues.. "PS2 PS2 PS2". (except for the one nerdy kid that has all 3 consoles) Last Christmas, my young cousin asked for his first console: "PS2". I\'m telling ya, most every console has a huge following of kids.. and at this point in time, I think the ratio of teens/adults to kids playing GameCube is greater than the PS2\'s. Most kids aren\'t early adopters of new consoles.. they always seem to get the older one. Even myself! NES was out, I got the Atari. SNES was out, I got the Genesis. In the end, I had all 4 though. :)
Nintendo has a "kiddy" image, true. Well, that\'s all it is.. an image. I\'m not a Nintendo fanboy, I just read enough about them (try the book Game Over by David Scheff) to know how they feel about certain things. There have been times in the past where they changed things to suit a family audience (MK1 on SNES) but that was pre-ESRB. Things are different now.. Nintendo is publishing games like Perfect Dark and Eternal Darkness. Nintendo\'s targetting the whole family.. not just kids, not just adults. That is the Nintendo difference.
Now then.. feel free to tear apart my post and say that Nintendo is targetting kids again.. ;)
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Blade if all these adults are buying gc like hot cakes why are they making so many kiddy games? And why are the sales poor?
But anyways surely your not trying to say ps2 is kiddy? Sure kids play it. Nobody never said ps2 is just for adults and teenagers. And surely you don\'t expect kids to not want to play mature games?
And you think Nintendo never target to child gamers?
Oh that\'s why they had the super Mario cartoon and mario brothers tv show? And most of nintendo game characters are characters children can easily identify with.
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Marketing.
The Super Mario Bros Super Show first appeared over 12 years ago.. and it wasn\'t made by Nintendo nor was it a game. I guess you could say it was milking the success of Mario. (which was booming at the time) How does Mario relate to children? He\'s an over-the-hill Italian plumber! Adults can relate with him a lot more than kids can.
As for "still making kiddy games".. did you read my post? :)
I told you that Nintendo\'s Japanese teams enjoy making light-hearted games. Out of the GCN games I have, my favorites are Pikmin and Monkey Ball; quite light-hearted, but also very fun. They\'re probably the two "kiddiest" games on the system.. but what do I care? I\'m going to be 18 in a month, but I didn\'t buy this system for M-rated games. :) Nevertheless, Nintendo themselves want "mature" games on their system.. so they funded Silicon Knights for 4 years. The result: Eternal Darkness.. quoted to be arguably the most mature game ever. Not by gore or sex.. you actually have to be educated to understand it. Most kids won\'t be able to play this game like they can Mario.
As for GCN selling like hot cakes.. where did I say that? We\'re talking about the defunct kiddy issue that non-informed people like to bring up, not sales numbers.
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Originally posted by Blade
Marketing.
The Super Mario Bros Super Show first appeared over 12 years ago.. and it wasn\'t made by Nintendo nor was it a game. I guess you could say it was milking the success of Mario. (which was booming at the time) How does Mario relate to children? He\'s an over-the-hill Italian plumber! Adults can relate with him a lot more than kids can.
As for "still making kiddy games".. did you read my post? :)
I told you that Nintendo\'s Japanese teams enjoy making light-hearted games. Out of the GCN games I have, my favorites are Pikmin and Monkey Ball; quite light-hearted, but also very fun. They\'re probably the two "kiddiest" games on the system.. but what do I care? I\'m going to be 18 in a month, but I didn\'t buy this system for M-rated games. :) Nevertheless, Nintendo themselves want "mature" games on their system.. so they funded Silicon Knights for 4 years. The result: Eternal Darkness.. quoted to be arguably the most mature game ever. Not by gore or sex.. you actually have to be educated to understand it. Most kids won\'t be able to play this game like they can Mario.
As for GCN selling like hot cakes.. where did I say that? We\'re talking about the defunct kiddy issue that non-informed people like to bring up, not sales numbers.
Umm Nintendo owns Mario nobody can make a mario show without Nintendo or they could get sued for a ton of money. If you think Super Mario was designed for adults your crazy. Give me a break. How in the hell is Mario made to be for adults.
A fat plumber in mario land saving the princess and mushroom heads. Give me a break. And mario is not the only nintendo character that kids can easily Identify with. Basicly all there characters are.
And like I said before there is nothing wrong with kiddy games. Becuase sometimes they are very fun to play and sometimes you just want to play fun games no matter what age you are.
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Nintendo makes games for everyone.
Originally posted by QuDDus
How in the hell is Mario made to be for adults.
You remember all those magazine editors that praised Mario 64 as being among the best games ever? Those editors are adults.
-Eik
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Umm Nintendo owns Mario nobody can make a mario show without Nintendo or they could get sued for a ton of money.
Right, Nintendo owns Mario. Although.. do you think that Miyamoto wrote the episodes or something? :)
If you think Super Mario was designed for adults your crazy. Give me a break. How in the hell is Mario made to be for adults.
I never said that. I said that Mario wasn\'t designed for anybody. Donkey Kong was made for anybody to walk into the arcade and play it.. no demographic. As far as comparing Mario to normal people.. Mario is an adult. Thus.. with all of the facts present, adults should relate to Mario more than children do. That\'s all.
A fat plumber in mario land saving the princess and mushroom heads. Give me a break. And mario is not the only nintendo character that kids can easily Identify with. Basicly all there characters are.
I agree. As I said earlier, Nintendo has properties that relate to children more.. like Pokemon. Your character in Pokemon is an 11-year-old boy/girl.. while Metroid is apparently a 25-30 year old woman. Link varies in age.. but he\'s typically around 16 years old, while Captain Falcon from F-Zero is 36.
And like I said before there is nothing wrong with kiddy games. Becuase sometimes they are very fun to play and sometimes you just want to play fun games no matter what age you are.
I agree.
If a game is well-designed, and provides at least a moderate challenge.. I don\'t care how "fruity" it looks.
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[Sorry to do this, but don\'t repeat yourself. Advance the topic. -Eik]
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Blade if all these adults are buying gc like hot cakes why are they making so many kiddy games? And why are the sales poor?
But anyways surely your not trying to say ps2 is kiddy? Sure kids play it. Nobody never said ps2 is just for adults and teenagers. And surely you don\'t expect kids to not want to play mature games?
And you think Nintendo never target to child gamers?
Oh that\'s why they had the super Mario cartoon and mario brothers tv show? And most of nintendo game characters are characters children can easily identify with.
Hmmm....whats your definition of a kiddy game? A game that is bright in colors and no gore? No scary stuff? Because I havent seen any kiddy games on GC yet....unless you call games like super monkey ball kiddy. Which its not its an arcade style game...its geared towards people who like to have fun. I dont think its kiddy its to challeging to be kiddy. If SMB is a kiddy game then crazy taxi, 18 wheeler type games are also kiddy. They are practically the same colors are they not? They both have no gore correct? (well ive never accually played crazi taki so I may be wrong.) SMB is an arcade game made by SEGA if you think its kiddie then I guess you think alot of arcade style games are kiddie as well.
Mario is another game that you call kiddy......kids can easily identify the characters but cant adults eaily idenitfy them too? It when N64 was producing pokemon games was it because they wear targeting kids? No. And if you think they were you are sadly mistaken. See I went to nintendo .com to do some research. I found a part were they said that they were making pokemon games simply because at that time pokemon was probaly the biggest thing at the time. The games just sold. It was a profit not because they were targeting kids.
Eik......why did you edit my post they still arent giving me solid proof thats all I want....if they give me a quote and a link then I will have to belive them wont I?
Blade and Cloud your arguing something that is a known fact. Everyone knows nintendo is aiming towards younger gamers. They have been doing it and they have said themselves. Everyone knows look at the games on N64 and look at gamecube. One RE title does not make them a adult system all of a sudden.
Everyone calls nintendo kiddy for a reason. Nothing is wrong with aiming for kids. So stop arguing something that we all know is true.
Well if its a well-known fact wouldnt be easy to find on the net? Why would the owner of Nintendo feel disrespected when people call nintendo kiddie? RE isnt the only Adult game coming to GC. Eternal darkness, Metroid, Zelda(which im sorta ashamed of...) ect. so a few pokemon titles make a system kiddie? Just because it was a very popuar game? It seams everyone says nintendo says that its kiddie but yet.....no-one can find any solid proof. Get some "facts" some solid "facts" and ill belive you.\\
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You know what now that I think of it what kiddie games where there for N64 other than Pokemon? Although I wasnt a fan of nintendo when it was 64 but pokemon was the only kiddie game that i heard of....