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Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Cerberus on April 03, 2002, 01:16:43 PM
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Taken from teletext.co.uk
IRAQ \'BUILDING DIRTY NUKE\'
Iraq is building a "dirty" nuclear bomb capable of spewing radioactive material over a wide area, a defector has said.

The unnamed man told the Vanity Fair magazine that Saddam Hussein is also developing a missile to reach the capitals of Turkey, Iran and Cyprus.

The defector said he bought radioactive material from a group of Eastern Europeans while in Saddam\'s service.


Anyone concerned?
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: THX on April 03, 2002, 01:22:13 PM
If he misbehaves everyone will throw so much firepower on his country it\'s not even funny.
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: ooseven on April 03, 2002, 01:29:15 PM
Nope

Cos with the amount of spent nuclear fuel sold on the black market. Just about any terrorist group in the WORLD could build a "dirty" Nuke !

basiclly a "dirty" nuke is the combination of a conventional Bomb and Nuclear material !

when the bomb explodes the material is spread over a wide area.

the Bomb has two key features

[list=1]


anyway HE HAVE SOME NARE to TALK

when you consider that both the US and UK governments are guilty of using a same type of weapon in Iraq , the Balkans conflict and the war in Afghanistan.

During this these conflicts our forces used Depleted Uranium Shells weapon tips

Depleted uranium is produced from the Uranium industry and is a “by-product” (i.e. it can be considered as nuclear waste) from the Uranium enrichment process. This fact has added to the controversy over the use of fast breeder reactions by the United Kingdom and the United States of America. It is estimated that within America there are around 1 billion pounds of depleted uranium. Which has been made from the uranium enrichment process. A result of this, there is now an inexhaustible supply of material for arm’s companies to produce depleted uranium ammunition. This has only added to the already high concern over this type of weapon and the used of fast breeder reactors to produce enriched Uranium

One of the reasons for it’s development was due to the design of modern armour used in vehicles and some buildings, with most of the current battle tanks in service the armour is supplemented by a series of small explosive packs behind the armour shell. The idea behind this is to equalise the energy between an incoming shot with a smaller explosion, as a result of this it would be possible for a tank to survive a direct hit from a conventional shell


For our government to decide to use this weapon they had to consider the effect of the “advantages” and disadvantages, of Depleted Uranium shells. Part of the reason for their success was due to the fact that it is 1.7 times denser than conventional Lead, it also has the ability to be as easily moulded as conventional materials. These enabled designers to model Depleted Uranium into a wide variety of shapes needed for warheads and shells.

In addition to its strength, is its ability to counter the explosive charge “shield” that some armoured vehicles posses, the reason for this is due to the speed and strength of the warhead obtained by the shell, this means that the impact is greater than the protective explosion of the “shield”.

A third reason for the adoption of this weapon is due to its pyrophoric properties, this means that it ignites upon impact with a target. This coupled with the fact that a indirect hit from a DU weapon can set up a shock wave that can injure or kill vehicle personnel, makes this a very potent weapon.

To summarise on the possible selling points for this weapon;

1.   Depleted Uranium is 1.7 times denser than conventional Lead.
2.   Has the ability to counter the explosive charge “shield” used by armour units.
3.   The metal is pyrophoric and ignites after contact with target.
4.   Indirect hits can Kill or injure due to speed and density of warhead.

So far this weapon has been used in to major conflicts which are the Gulf and the Balkans wars, as a result of this there has been an increase in reported cases of health problems with the service men and women.

The cause of this has now been identified as the residue left buy the use of these weapons; it has been found that after an impact of a DU weapon, there is a release of a fine powder of Uranium Dioxide (UO2). An Electron probability structure of this compound is shown here to the left, it shows the “shape” of the Atom with its Uranium molecule connected by double bonds to two oxygen molecules. In fact it is worth noting that this compound is used in the nuclear industry to add to Uranium 235 as a fuel for nuclear reactors. It is also important to note that the former Chernobyl Nuclear power station used Uranium Dioxide as part of their fuel source .        

Now that we have identified the cause of this medical condition we can now look at their effects on the environment.

1.   Dusting; as we have seen earlier in this report, the used of Depleted Uranium weapons causes the creation of a fine dust of Uranium Dioxide. This can be carried by atmospheric conditions over a wide area; this can then be inhaled or ingested if the dust enters the food chain or water supplies.
2.   Clean Up: it was found the people with the highest reported symptoms of Gulf War Syndromes where the solders sent to clean up after a battle and civilians living nearby. It was later found that both where caused by the direct contact with Uranium Dioxide dust that was spread through out the local region.
3.   Long time contamination: As a result of the nature of the contamination, it was estimated that the half-life for Uranium Dioxide is 4.5 Billion Years. This means that for every battle that DU weapons are used there will be nearly enough permanent effect on the local environment.


[sacrasim]
so wooppiee dooo might is Always right lets just step on the dead bodies of poor people
[/sarcasim]


p.s.

most of the ext above as lifted from an environmental Report that i submited on the subject of F block elements within the environment !
Title: Re: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: ooseven on April 03, 2002, 01:39:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jaye_Bennington



quote:
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Taken from teletext.co.uk
IRAQ \'BUILDING DIRTY NUKE\'
Iraq is building a "dirty" nuclear bomb capable of spewing radioactive material over a wide area, a defector has said.

The unnamed man told the Vanity Fair magazine that Saddam Hussein is also developing a missile to reach the capitals of Turkey, Iran and Cyprus.

The defector said he bought radioactive material from a group of Eastern Europeans while in Saddam\'s service.
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Anyone concerned?



:laughing:

i just noticed the refrence for the information


:laughing:

Teletex is the free information service that all current UK TV can access.


its the elctronic = of supermarket tabloids!


:laughing: :laughing:
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: project86 on April 03, 2002, 02:47:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ooseven
Nope

Cos with the amount of spent nuclear fuel sold on the black market. Just about any terrorist group in the WORLD could build a "dirty" Nuke !

basiclly a "dirty" nuke is the combination of a conventional Bomb and Nuclear material !

when the bomb explodes the material is spread over a wide area.

the Bomb has two key features

[list=1]
  • Killing people near by or close to the explosion eother by convention means, or from exposure to radioactive material
  • To "Dirty" the Blast area with radioactive material there by killing further people.


anyway HE HAVE SOME NARE to TALK

when you consider that both the US and UK governments are guilty of using a same type of weapon in Iraq , the Balkans conflict and the war in Afghanistan.

During this these conflicts our forces used Depleted Uranium Shells weapon tips

Depleted uranium is produced from the Uranium industry and is a “by-product” (i.e. it can be considered as nuclear waste) from the Uranium enrichment process. This fact has added to the controversy over the use of fast breeder reactions by the United Kingdom and the United States of America. It is estimated that within America there are around 1 billion pounds of depleted uranium. Which has been made from the uranium enrichment process. A result of this, there is now an inexhaustible supply of material for arm’s companies to produce depleted uranium ammunition. This has only added to the already high concern over this type of weapon and the used of fast breeder reactors to produce enriched Uranium

One of the reasons for it’s development was due to the design of modern armour used in vehicles and some buildings, with most of the current battle tanks in service the armour is supplemented by a series of small explosive packs behind the armour shell. The idea behind this is to equalise the energy between an incoming shot with a smaller explosion, as a result of this it would be possible for a tank to survive a direct hit from a conventional shell


For our government to decide to use this weapon they had to consider the effect of the “advantages” and disadvantages, of Depleted Uranium shells. Part of the reason for their success was due to the fact that it is 1.7 times denser than conventional Lead, it also has the ability to be as easily moulded as conventional materials. These enabled designers to model Depleted Uranium into a wide variety of shapes needed for warheads and shells.

In addition to its strength, is its ability to counter the explosive charge “shield” that some armoured vehicles posses, the reason for this is due to the speed and strength of the warhead obtained by the shell, this means that the impact is greater than the protective explosion of the “shield”.

A third reason for the adoption of this weapon is due to its pyrophoric properties, this means that it ignites upon impact with a target. This coupled with the fact that a indirect hit from a DU weapon can set up a shock wave that can injure or kill vehicle personnel, makes this a very potent weapon.

To summarise on the possible selling points for this weapon;

1.   Depleted Uranium is 1.7 times denser than conventional Lead.
2.   Has the ability to counter the explosive charge “shield” used by armour units.
3.   The metal is pyrophoric and ignites after contact with target.
4.   Indirect hits can Kill or injure due to speed and density of warhead.

So far this weapon has been used in to major conflicts which are the Gulf and the Balkans wars, as a result of this there has been an increase in reported cases of health problems with the service men and women.

The cause of this has now been identified as the residue left buy the use of these weapons; it has been found that after an impact of a DU weapon, there is a release of a fine powder of Uranium Dioxide (UO2). An Electron probability structure of this compound is shown here to the left, it shows the “shape” of the Atom with its Uranium molecule connected by double bonds to two oxygen molecules. In fact it is worth noting that this compound is used in the nuclear industry to add to Uranium 235 as a fuel for nuclear reactors. It is also important to note that the former Chernobyl Nuclear power station used Uranium Dioxide as part of their fuel source .        

Now that we have identified the cause of this medical condition we can now look at their effects on the environment.

1.   Dusting; as we have seen earlier in this report, the used of Depleted Uranium weapons causes the creation of a fine dust of Uranium Dioxide. This can be carried by atmospheric conditions over a wide area; this can then be inhaled or ingested if the dust enters the food chain or water supplies.
2.   Clean Up: it was found the people with the highest reported symptoms of Gulf War Syndromes where the solders sent to clean up after a battle and civilians living nearby. It was later found that both where caused by the direct contact with Uranium Dioxide dust that was spread through out the local region.
3.   Long time contamination: As a result of the nature of the contamination, it was estimated that the half-life for Uranium Dioxide is 4.5 Billion Years. This means that for every battle that DU weapons are used there will be nearly enough permanent effect on the local environment.


[sacrasim]
so wooppiee dooo might is Always right lets just step on the dead bodies of poor people
[/sarcasim]


p.s.

most of the ext above as lifted from an environmental Report that i submited on the subject of F block elements within the environment !




*waves fan in oosevens direction*

Okay man, now cool down and take a deep breath. Just reading all that info made my head hurt.;)
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Toxical on April 03, 2002, 03:35:04 PM
Why would Iraq bomb Turkey or any other Arab country? :laughing:
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Luke on April 03, 2002, 07:22:01 PM
i just saw on cnn that saddam said he would give 25 thousand dollars to the family of anyone who would be willing to suicide bomb.


man this guy needs to get capped right quick.
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Troglodyte on April 03, 2002, 07:24:45 PM
Didn\'t he die?

Oh wait, that was one of those Naked Gun movies. . .
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: CHIZZY on April 03, 2002, 09:54:49 PM
Clinton was a retard for not finishing the job.




Free the citizens of all arab countries.
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Troglodyte on April 03, 2002, 10:36:40 PM
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
Clinton was a retard for not finishing the job.




Free the citizens of all arab countries.


Whoa there buddy, that\'s not fair.
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: CHIZZY on April 03, 2002, 10:38:18 PM
life\'s not fair.


* takes a dump on stu barnes.
Title: Re: Re: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Cerberus on April 04, 2002, 01:11:31 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven


Teletex is the free information service that all current UK TV can access.


its the elctronic = of supermarket tabloids!


Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, I remember reading somewhere that teletext gets their news stories DIRECTLY from ITN, thus saying "its the elctronic = of supermarket tabloids!" isn\'t strictly true.
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Rick on April 04, 2002, 01:53:39 AM
Surely there must be at least one madman in Saddams ranks that could easily be persuaded to turn on him?? They do need to finish him off soon, top drawer nutter
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: Ashford on April 04, 2002, 11:14:01 AM
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Originally posted by Toxical
Why would Iraq bomb Turkey or any other Arab country? :laughing:


Because Iran and Iraq are bitter enemies...

They used to be united under one country known as Persia but split and have waged war against each other.

Because of their geographic location, Iraq has asked Iran for access to their airspace to aid the Palestinians against Israel.

At least they agree on one thing...

:rolleyes:
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: SonyFan on April 04, 2002, 03:31:59 PM
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when you consider that both the US and UK governments are guilty of using a same type of weapon in Iraq , the Balkans conflict and the war in Afghanistan. - ooseven


True. The AirForce\'s premier ground support and building busting aircraft - the A10 - exclusively uses Depleted Uranium shells as the ammo for it\'s Avenger Cannon. It can fire 2.5lb 30mm DU shells the size of milk bottles at a rate of 4,200 per minuite. They use DU in the core of these shells to add weight and momentum.. and the result is a burst of fire which can rip the armor of ANY current military vehicle. A two second burst can take out an entire column of tanks, and because of that efficency it\'s considered as the A10\'s primary weapon.

When you consider just how extensively the A10 has been used since the Vietnam Era up through today, that\'s a lot of DU shells sittin in some pretty deep holes all over the globe.
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: CHIZZY on April 04, 2002, 03:50:22 PM
the DU shells actually WELD their way through armor. They are so dense & hit at such a high velocity that they superheat and poke a hole in amor, spraying molten bb\'s of DU in every direction inside the tank. All in a fraction of a second. Fuggin A.
Title: Is Saddam up to no good again?
Post by: SonyFan on April 04, 2002, 03:54:05 PM
Yeah, it\'s not a pretty sight for the clean-up crew.









(God I love that plane!!!! :D )