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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Living-In-Clip on April 04, 2002, 02:27:37 AM
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Once upon a time, PS2XCentral "Console Debating" was a place to come for educated debates, without flaming and rampant fanboy\'ism. It was also a place where people who was multi-console owners would come and debate the pro\'s and con\'s of each system. It was not a place where each thread was wishing for a certain console to fail or arguin\' if company A) was too kiddie (Yes, I know my analogy wasn\'t too vague. ;) ). What happened? For the last couple months we have been on a decline in quality debates and quality posts and people who once was considered quality posters have either been infected with this nasty fanboy "virus" or have slowed down in posting just to avoid what is going on.
I also remember a time when someone could come here and prefer one console over another and not have to worry about being bashed. Sadly, those days seem to be gone. Or when debating we would post links to facts that are brought up, instead of just assuming someone should believe us and when they don\'t, trashing them.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone as I am in no place to do so , but even Ryu has taken notice of what is going on as indicated by his "Zero Tolerance" thread. This is just my plea, if you want to call it that, for us to clean the forums up. I\'m goin\' to post alittle list of basic Console Debating rules / respect, none of these are new and older members should remember them being posted about a year ago, maybe if we follow them like we once use to, we can clean this forum up before it joins the ranks of IGN (and it isn\'t far from it).
- Post links! If you have a fact, don\'t hope for someone to believe you just because you say it is true. If you post a link along with your fact, then it can save a lot of trouble and needless bashing / arguing in a thread.
- Swearing, personal insults and anything else along those lines are not needed. We are here to debate consoles, not debate each other. Remember, this forum is all in fun and for our love of gaming. It is not here to take cheap shots at someone you don\'t even really know. Also, the personal insults and swearing does run off potenial members and makes us , as a internet communnity look terrible. Does anyone remember when newbies would come here because it was laid back and they was allowed a opinion, even if it wasn\'t PRO-PS2? We need to get back to those days.
- All consoles are not created equal, this is why we debate them. However, a new console means a new toy for our hobby. How can this be a bad thing? We are gamers, or at least we are suppose to be. Maybe I am under the wrong impression, or maybe I am living in a dream world, but if we are gamers then we should be excited about the potenial of another console. If you don\'t like a certain console for whatever reason, that is fine. However, do you really need to chime in every thread and remind the rest of the forum? It doesn\'t accomplish anything.
- There will always be trolls, try not to feed them. When we have trolls, our best bet as a forum is to simply ignore their presence and they will go away. Getting into heated arguements does nothing but ruin perfectly decent threads.
- Finally, remember it is all in fun. Console debating may be the most serious part of PS2XCentral, but it is still all in fun. We are gamers , this is our hobby and it is perfectly healthy to want to debate about certain things in the industry that we care so much about. It is not healthy to get so upset about a piece of plastic that you need to come on a forum and pick fights . It\'s all in fun guys, take it light.
In the end, I\'ve been here over a year now and enjoyed this forum quite abit, like others , however though this downward decline is somewhat disturbing. Ryu has taken notice of it and I agree with him a hundred percent (for whatever that is worth) on his zero tolerance policy , but I also believe that we still are one of the best PS2 forums, hell gaming forums on the \'net, we just got off-track and lost what made us so good at one point. Let\'s clean it up guys and bring in some new people and maybe get some of our older members back.
(Is it possible for Ryu or someone to make this a sticky? If not, I understand. Thanks.)
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Stuck. I\'m glad someone sees what I have been missing from these forums. I must admit though, there are a few others who do share our plight...
[Edit] - I also changed the topic title. People will take notice of it moreso if we see these as guidelines and call them as such moreso then a rather obscure title. :) Hope you don\'t mind, but this thread deserves attention.
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I see what you mean. I agree and have never broke any of these rules in the first place. Aren\'t I great. :D
Anyway im not sure I agree with so called zero tolerance *cough* throwing the power around *cough* but i\'ve already made a thread about that before I seen this one.
Like you lot though I want a better console debating forum. :)
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This thread seems vaguely familiar; I just can\'t put my finger on it... :) :)
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Anyway im not sure I agree with so called zero tolerance *cough* throwing the power around *cough* but i\'ve already made a thread about that before I seen this one.
You think that\'s what Zero Tolerance is all about? Just how often DO you visit console debate anyways? You think I enjoy having to read EVERY single post and weed out any extremeties or BS with a fine toothed comb? I mean, if this place was civil and self sustaining, there would be no use for me, or any other mod on this forum or any forum for that matter and sometimes, we just let the locales get far too restless and I\'m sick and tired of all the BS spewing going on here.
Waitasec... Why am I explaining myself to you? You are one of the people who barely post on this forum nowadays. You used to be a regular, but like many of the other regulars, you\'ve stopped and quietted down... I wonder why that is?
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I agree with you guys, this place has been looking like TXB for the last few days
and please quit posting those sales charts, since they are only intended to show how bad another console is doing, it gets lame quickly
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Once upon a time, PS2XCentral "Console Debating" was a place to come for educated debates, without flaming and rampant "fanboy\'ism"
LOL!! yeah keep telling yourself, It may not have been as bad as it has progressed now, but all those traits were still present.
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weren\'t you banned?
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I agree on pretty much everything, but there is something that will always remain. This is the only forum on the board that is more prone to problems than everything else, because this is the place where debates take place. View points are expressed, opinions and such. We are always gonna have disagreements and objections to certain things and indeed there will be ignorance here and there. But as admins and mods, we\'ll do our best to sift through the clutter of this forum, but please do be aware, this forum will always be prone to the most ignorance.
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I think TheOgodlyThlng feels he needs to fill the troll void now that our forums are starting to get good again.
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I want to go on the record of saying that I am guilty of flamming others after they made fun of me. But those days are over; I agree wholeheartedly with whats been said, and will try harder to "stay within the walls of professionalism", so to speak. As far as Ryu going power mad goes, I don\'t believe that at all. I\'m just glad to see there is a mature moderator out there doing his job.:D
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No, anyone in the right mind wouldn\'t dare put the sticker "power hungry" on any mod or admin. Ryu simply is just taking authority in a respectable fashion.
It should appear clear as mud to the trolls around here.
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I agree that the recent decline in the forums had me really worried. With the endless X-box bashing that was going on and the seeming encouragment this behavior was getting from mods I was starting to believe that we were headed for a meltdown into the IGN category. Every single thread that was in anyway X-box related was immediately followed by a string of at least 10 really bad jokes about Bill Gates\' penis and how the X-box was going to flop.
Although it might seem a little extreme at first to some, and at the same time not harsh enough to others I think Ryu\'s approach is probably the best way of handling things. Some people like Ashford and Rich G have suggested that the problem should be dealt with at its root; by banning all of the members who exaggerate with their bashing tendencies. But like it or not a great deal of the problem is actually caused by Psx2central regulars *gasp*. I think these people (won\'t name anyone) just need a little bit of a guiding hand (or a bash with a sledge hammer) to help them get back on the right track.
Anyway I\'m glad I\'m not the only one that noticed the recent decline in the quality of console debating, because at times it seemed like everyone was in on the \'other\' console bashing party. As rarely as I post on these forums I have been around for quite a while, and reading the latest reactions to industry events as posted by fellow gamers is something I always look forward to, as long as they are stated in a reasonable fashion.
I applaud Ryu for taking decisive action on the matter and I hope other moderators will follow suit and try to set an example.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I also remember a time when someone could come here and prefer one console over another and not have to worry about being bashed.
That\'s true. In fact, I\'d like to offer my respect to all those who\'ve kept from flaming me despite my perverse, unabashed loyalty to Nintendo. :)
Seriously, I can\'t remember ever really being goaded into a flame war or some such thing, and if that kind of privilege can be extended to everyone once again, then what are we waiting for?
-Eik
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Here\'s a shorter version of LIC\'s first post:
DON\'T BE AN ASS. NO ONE LIKES AN ASS. EXCEPT HOMOS.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Here\'s a shorter version of LIC\'s first post:
DON\'T BE AN ASS. NO ONE LIKES AN ASS. EXCEPT HOMOS.
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Yeah, Rob...Thanks for that condensed version of my original post.
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Oh and Eik, one reason you have never been goaded into a flame war, is because you avoid them and respect everyone\'s opinion. I personally wish all members (including myself ) would take a small lesson from you.
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I think TheOgodlyThlng feels he needs to fill the troll void now that our forums are starting to get good again
Oh Look a response, yeepee...........yawn
Your forums starting to get good again, wel that all depends on how you look at it, does it not?
The PSX2 fanboyism still lurks hungery around around here, and don\'t even try and bring my name into it, cause I haven\'t been posting here for quite some time, but I stop by these forums 3 times a week to read the board.
Damn some of you really hate XBOX with a passion, almost as if the XBOX was here to destroy your life.
I would be nice to see both PSX2 and XBOX co-exsist peacefully, but then again I\'m just dreaming arn\'t I
Also PS. "Watchdog I really Enjoy reading your posts and comments, you seem to have a really clear perspective on things, which makes it such eye pleasing to read.
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thanks.
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No offense people....but I for once gotta agree with TheOgodlything on 1 and only 1 thing......these forums are filled with ps2 fanboys....some people (not pointing fingers) cant respect other systems or games. Some people find pick at every system to find something to say about it that is bad. For example Ive seen people say x-box or gamecube screens look horrible while there is a PS2 game with the same graphics and say its awsome. Its just horrible that some people cant say a single good thing about a system. A game may look absolutly great and people say look the grass is to bright this game is horrible...
These forums need some major cleaning up.......especially less catagories. Hardware and Periphicals dont get resposes for a week some times.
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personally, i post for myself
i never really cared what other people felt or cared what i wrote
/me shrugs
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over videogames and systems
do any of you really care that much anymore to the point we have to live by debating rules, or resort to name calling
for those of you who are doing this, take a step back and a long hard look at your life
just play the games have fun and screw the rest
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Originally posted by ddaryl
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over videogames and systems
do any of you really care that much anymore to the point we have to live by debating rules,
for those of you who are doing this, take a step back and a long hard look at your life
The point is, this is another way to enjoy the hobby we have and when someone ruins that fun, it needs to be taken care of. Sure, rules are sort of lame, but they are needed so this forum could function, you should know this, I mean you have banned how many people? Why? Because they was breaking the rules. The same applies in the console debate section.
Rules are just a simple way for this forum (any forum for that matter) to function and keep decent threads on track.
P.S - While you may say that those of us who are claiming we need rules in this section and those who are doing name calling, all need to take a step back and look at our lives. I also remember you getting more than just a tad upset over a certain Tribal Dragon\'s incident. Which, in the end is the same prinicpal..."videogames and systems".
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Stuck. I\'m glad someone sees what I have been missing from these forums. I must admit though, there are a few others who do share our plight...
Ryu, it might not have been clear in the other thread that went to the hall of shame (I believe), but I do agree with your "zero tolerance" thread - just not about how you shut that one thread.
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If anyone noticed, or even if they didn\'t, I have been gone for a while for the reason of this topic.
This place has become fanboy heaven. Idiots and children run rampant and you can\'t say anything positive about one company and negative about another without fastson, raslant, or others getting all indignant about it. I haven\'t even felt the need to come back and post since I have found a forum that is alive, like this one once was, without the stupid crap you have to deal with in the CD forum on this board. I say, have a closed admission to this board and it will make it all better.
It may be unfair to some, but this forum desperately needs this. Remember my "Best looking xx-bit games?" threads? You couldn\'t do one of those today because half the posters that post in here played maybe ten games before Playstation or were too young to know the glory of the 8-bit generation. If you tried, you would get alot of stupid posts with nothing to back them up.
I may lurk around PSX2c for a while longer, if the smoke clears, I will be around longer, if it remains to be stagnant, dull, and fanboy-oriented, I am gone forever.
Eric Jacob
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This is my point exactly. This forum has lost a lot of once respected and well known members. I was speaking with Ryu one day (and I promise Ryu, I\'ll get AIM installed ASAP, I\'ve just been busy lately. ;) ) and we was sitting and naming people who have quit coming to the boards since this has happened. It was astounding and apalling to think of some of the great members we have lost (Gohan?!? Are you out there?).
I have to disagree with Altered on the closed-admission, no matter how tempting it is (and it is very tempting). We need new members in the forum to keep it alive and sometimes those new members are actually very intelligent, lets not forget we was all new at one time. I think the best way to handle this situation is, for all the older members to post quality topics and act like we always use to, while the trouble makers are dealt with by the m0ds.
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well i dont agree with the closed admission but maybe closing people out from the CD forum if they continue with their nonsense after being warned once and only once
i think that way would work much better therefore you can still recieve new members in this forum and only close out the old and tired rampant few
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I hate to say it but mostly I\'d have to agree with TheOgodlyThing\'s view that things aren\'t so different as some of you want to think. What\'s changed in the last few months is all the consoles are out and have been seen in action by everyone. The PS2 killers sit dead in the water, out of ammo for the time being. Should it be any wonder ps2 fans feel comfortable now freely taking potshots after putting up with all the ‘intelligent\' debates based mostly on stats and vaporware for well over a year? Does anyone actually think the situation here would be any better if the sales of Xbox or GC vs PS2 were reversed?
In my view what should be cracked down on is the genuinely insulting behavior towards each other. Fix that and it will go a long way towards making this place better. Instead we have a zero tolerance policy for console bashing, which is often merely a matter of opinion i.e. updating console sales charts too frequently can now be determined as a form of senseless bashing. In the meantime it\'s okay to try and ridicule a mod for suggesting some of us should get outside more rather than continuing to beat the same dead horse over and over (see the ‘Sony too much of a Monopoly...\' thread).
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I for one.. Am glad Ryu\'s taking charge.
And taking to the fact of what Altered said.. I agree. I promise to not be anal toward other systems.
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another nice rule to live by
please if your reply is going to be a BIG one
then think of Samwise\'s Avatar and please make it easy on the eye.
also if you quote someone then try and say who said it!
some of these new threads are getting a bit too much to read.
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I mean you can\'t expect a forum with close to 5000 members for every member to be a intellegent gamers. Some just come for there unconditional love for there ps2. Some come to bash other consoles. Your going to have all types of members. It\' just when you have more idiot members than good members the forum becomes lame.
I think at one point anything none-ps2 related got bashed bye 20 replies on this forum. I think it\'s getting better but it will never be perfect.
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And do not use 15 different quote tags in your post.
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I AM A NEWBY TO YOURE SITE BUT WEBSTER SAID IT ALL WHEN HE SAID DEBATE TO DISCUSS OR EXAMINE A QUESTION BY PRESENTING AND CONSIDERING ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES I AGREE WITH LIVING-N-CLIP :laughing::bounce:
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ugh, i hate when newbs overuse the color tags
gonna have to remove them eventually
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color is for losers anyway.
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This was a delightful forum, then you let Bob\'s_Harware become a Mod. He is the root of all evil. Burn him. Burn him...
Actually I have no clue what I am talking about since I never come in here.
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actually i belive we could start death, destruction and possibly even doom by making video a mod
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What\'s this new forum Altered?
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Originally posted by Watchdog
What\'s this new forum Altered?
New? You must be mistaken...
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You guys closed admission to the forums?? What in the world happened. I have been gone far too long.