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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Chrono on April 05, 2002, 01:29:47 PM
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Sega delayed the Skies of Arcadia port to the ps2 to 2004
Now, who the heck takes 3 years to port a RPG?
However, the NGC version is still on track for 2003 though..
wtf?
By the time SOA comes out, there will be so many rpgs on the ps2, it will be forgotten
If sega had any sense it would put the ps2 version on priority before the RPG rush takes place.. but I think its already too late for that.
I think sega will manage to fail even at a 3rd party beacuse of bad buisness descisions.. the reason the DC failed.
(see gamespot for the story)
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It\'s a little silly.. Grandia II came out at the same time as SOA did.. and that\'s already on PS2. Then again, that port sucked. Still, SOA should be out in 2003. This fiscal year ends in March 2003, so SOA for PS2 could be out in April at the earliest. :)
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Sega is great at making games and even BETTER at making dumb business decisions.
"Hmm...let\'s see...duh....there are over 30 million PS2\'s in the world. There are less than 6 million Xbox\'s. Umm...let\'s make more games for the Xbox but announce that we\'ll be supporting the PS2 MORE! Yep. We don\'t want to make THAT much money, do we?"
Why am I not surprised that they\'re delaying a high quality RPG for the PS2 (cha-ching!) and not for the GC?
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Part of Sega\'s fat slogan into making a name for themselves, they appear to be attemtping at being "big dog" while trying to increase X-box\'s fanbase. While I don\'t think theres an award for that, going out of their way and helping our M$, it really is evident that Sega is doing it\'s best into making a X-box fanbase as big as Sony\'s [insert joke here].
My god, by the time 2004 rolls around, we\'ll be nit picking so much, we\'ll be complaining that games don\'t run at 1280x1024x64x12 FSAA @ 100FPS (the 64 represents 64 bit color, if by then they somehow manage, maybe 52bit color aka OverBright? (3dfx?)). By 04\' we\'ll be seeing the first impressions of PS3!
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I absolutely loved Skies of Arcadia, infact I hold it to be the best RPG I\'ve played in terms of overall package. (Before anyone mentions FFX, I didn\'t like the story.)
I do not however see how it would stand up against the likes of the upcoming RPGs by 2003 or 04. UNLESS, they are completely revamping the graphics and evolving the simpilistic battle system.
Either way, hopes for a much wanted sequel in the near future just got blown away...I\'m sad now.:(
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Sega has a lot of solid titles coming to PS2.. but it\'s true that the buzz is on their GCN/Xbox efforts.
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then to top it all off
the same day they annouce a "arcade perfect" port of Virtua Cop 1&2 with no improvements..
NO IMPROVEMENTS additions or anything.. wonderfull
they aparently don\'t care about providing new content for ps2 owners, and instead just use them.
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Sega has a lot of solid titles coming to PS2.. but it\'s true that the buzz is on their GCN/Xbox efforts.
Name some unique content thats not a DC or Saturn port thats coming out besides gungrave.. you can find at least 3 titles if it has "alot" of solid titles coming out can\'t you?
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sega looks like they wanna take the reigns of "console whore" away from midway
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Chrono: Lemme see.. Virtua Fighter 4, Rez, Space Channel 5 Part 2.. .... ..... Virtua Fighter 4.. :shy:
Wow, it\'s true. And those aren\'t upcoming games either.
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I have no problem with sega releasing games on the xbox and NGC, obviously if sega is to become a top developer they need to support all consoles. But it appears they are igoring the ps2 and focusing on the xbox and NGC...
Good thing I bought my ps2 for RPGs
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I absolutely loved Skies of Arcadia, infact I hold it to be the best RPG I\'ve played in terms of overall package. (Before anyone mentions FFX, I didn\'t like the story.)
Now ginko....did you play all of the ff\'s? or just 10. Cause if you played 7 then you would maybe change your mind. but then again if I played SOA I may change my mind.
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But it appears they are igoring the ps2 and focusing on the xbox and NGC... - Chrono
Your right, that\'s what they appear to be doing. Really, it\'s nothing more than that. I\'ve already had this discussion with Blade, and Sega is distributing their efforts pretty evenly. So what if many of them are just ports from the Dreamcast? Most PS2 owners never would have given them the time of day while they were still exclusive to the DC. So their new to the vast majority of PS2 gamers anyhow at least. Sega\'s actually being smart by putting all these ports on the PS2 anyhow. Since it costs a fraction as much to make a port compaired to a full game, they\'ll toss over all their well-known and already hyped games the PS2\'s way to make some quick easy bucks, and support other consoles with newer games to generate interest and growth in the market. If the Xbox and NGC sales don\'t shape up in a year or two, I think things will turn around a bit. Being 3rd party gives Sega something they never had before... flexability. We\'ll see how well they adapt before passing judgement.
As far as SOA is concerned, I can only think of a few possiblities. Either their doing a massive upgrade to storyline and graphics, creating a sequel from the port, or they\'re canceling it but don\'t want to loose the games-to-different consoles ratio they have just yet.
Sega isn\'t quite the king of 3rd party screwups just yet. I think Sierra takes that particular piece of cake with Half-Life. I mean, who in the hell ports a game to an Internet ready console WITHOUT network support.. and then cancels the game just as it\'s being ready to be pressed and shipped? After all that money they spent, they had the game 100% complete, fully advertised, and hyped to f*ck all & back... and THEN decided to cancel. What a waste. They could have very easily turned a small profit in the time between when HL was supposed to launch, and when the DC started actually dissapearing from shelves. It would have been a premier game, EXPECIALLY when the DC cost a paltry $50.....
Morons... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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SonyFan: Hehe, yep.. we had this discussion already. ;)
I was a bit confused by Sega at that time. They\'re announcing things at a strange pace; first a ton of Xbox games, then a ton of Nintendo support.. and then some more Xbox lovin\'. One might think that Sega and MS are close.. they are. Although, Nintendo is getting the most support overall.
IMO, as a non-PS2 owner.. I think Sega should supply a few more games to the PS2. It\'s only fair.
Seeing as how Sega pulled Virtua Fighter RPG and F-Zero out of thin air.. I suspect that Sega will suddenly announce any more PS2 support. Watch for it at E3, but I think it just might happen out of nowhere in late April like GunGrave did in March.
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Originally posted by cloud345
Now ginko....did you play all of the ff\'s? or just 10. Cause if you played 7 then you would maybe change your mind. but then again if I played SOA I may change my mind.
The only one I hadn\'t played was FF9, I bought that yesterday. So far so good...it\'s definitely different.
FF3 is my favorite of the FF series, 7 is a close second, with 10 trailing in third. The only aspects I really enjoyed of FFX was the superb FMV and the excellent battle system. I disliked 8 and didn\'t even finish it...
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I just recently got a dreamcast, and Skies of Arcadia was one of the reasons, so I\'m not too unhappy with delay news... :D
Other than Shenmue and PSO v1, what Dreamcast games are worth buying... I know there are a bunch, and they\'re just so damn cheap :)
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SEGA is obviously trying to kiss up to M$ arse and hopes to be the \'Square\' for M$...fat chance. They\'re not in the same league.
Anyway, I still suspect they harbor ill will towards SONY for taking down the Saturn and eventually(indirectly) forced them out of the hardware business.
yeah, and u guys could just be rite. I won\'t be suprised if they announce to discontinue support for the PS2 due to "difficult to program for" or some other bull**** later on.
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Originally posted by FatalXception
I just recently got a dreamcast, and Skies of Arcadia was one of the reasons, so I\'m not too unhappy with delay news... :D
Other than Shenmue and PSO v1, what Dreamcast games are worth buying... I know there are a bunch, and they\'re just so damn cheap :)
*=highly recommened
*Grandia 2
*Jet Grind Radio
Space Channel 5
*Samba De Amigo
*Sonic Adventure 1, 2
Outtrigger
Oggabooga
*Resident Evil:CV
Ecco
Sega GT
Virtual On 2
*Soul Calibur
Hydro Thunder
*Rayman 2
*Daytona
House of the Dead 2
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Originally posted by Paul
SEGA is obviously trying to kiss up to M$ arse and hopes to be the \'Square\' for M$...fat chance. They\'re not in the same league.
I doubt this is the case. If Sega couldn\'t keep its\' own system alive, how could they be a system seller third party for another console?
Anyway, I still suspect they harbor ill will towards SONY for taking down the Saturn and eventually(indirectly) forced them out of the hardware business.
I disagree...Sega is in the business to make money like everyone else. It would be plain silly for Sega to believe they are doing any harm to PS2 by not supporting it...
Sega released arguably their biggest franchise exclusive to PS2...VF4. I wouldn\'t consider that ill will...
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Other than Shenmue and PSO v1, what Dreamcast games are worth buying... - FatalX
There\'s a few others besides what Ginko listed that\'s really worth checking into.
Alien Front Online
The NFL, NBA, NHL, Ect.. 2k series
Air Force Delta (Ace Combat Clone)
Quake III Arena (If you don\'t already have it on PC)
Seaman (It\'s.. um.. different. Worth checking out)
Those are the ones I can testify for anyhow, since I own them. Go to Planet Dreamcast and check out some reviews there for some great DC games. I hear Soldier of Fortune is pretty good, if you don\'t loadtimes long enough to take a bathroom break between levels. :D
A few games you should avoid like the plauge:
Seventh Cross Evolution
Carrier
ESPN International Track & Field
AeroDancing 1 & 2
I had all of them this weekend, and took them all back. Careful what you buy, because most people are collecting Dreamcasts and games seein as how it\'s Sega\'s last system. About all that\'s left is crap like The Grinch and Tee-Off Golf, plus the ocassional turds like I mentioned above.
BTW: If you\'ve already got PSOv.1, PM me and set up a time when you\'re going to be online so we can meet up and exchange guild cards. Dunno if you should even bother trying to get Ashford\'s or Altered\'s card.. they\'re never playing and when they do.. it\'s never when they say they\'re going to be on. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I would definitely recommend Virtua Tennis if you can buy a copy from anywhere.
It is great fun and if you can get 3 other people to play with is one of the best multiplayer titles I have ever known.
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Ginko, you didn\'t highly recommend Virtual On 2. Die.
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Originally posted by Nu Gundam
Ginko, you didn\'t highly recommend Virtual On 2. Die.
No no no:eek:
It\'s because I suck at the game...I rocked on the one for Saturn, then I bought the DC version and it\'s whooped my ass ever since:confused:
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If you like lightgun games, House of the Dead 2, and Confidential Mission are excellent. I dunno if you could find a lightgun now though. It sucks playing with the controller!
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Anyone whos into SOA should just buy a DC and get the game. The whole console and game probably only cost a little more than what the actual PS2 game will cost when its launched. Not only that but it will allow you to play the other PS2 DC ports which are no different to the DC originals.
As a company though Sega must be doing something right as they haven\'t been this finacially sound in a long time. Lets face it X-Box and Nintendo Gamecube are the next generation of console. I think by releasing newer games it will help keep the market rolling and prehaps be a knock in Sony\'s monopoly. Of course being a PS2 owner this isn\'t great news but its not like the PS2 will die because of it and progress is generally a good thing.
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My personal opinion on the matter is Sega does harbor some ill towards Sony, because in a lot of ways Sony did push Sega out of the console business. Then there is also the fact that developing for the PS2 takes more resources and longer to do and still does not always equal a perfect port (see: GRandia 2) . Combine those things and you have Sega making their PS2 development plans smaller and smaller. At the same time, E3 is around the corner and plenty of PS2 support could be announced out of nowhere, maybe new franchises (like GunGrave and Rez).
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Lets face it X-Box and Nintendo Gamecube are the next generation of console. I think by releasing newer games it will help keep the market rolling and prehaps be a knock in Sony\'s monopoly. Of course being a PS2 owner this isn\'t great news but its not like the PS2 will die because of it and progress is generally a good thing.
Hardly "next generation" - the same generation, but not next. And as explained in your other thread, Sony does not have a monopoly (look up definition of monopoly).
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SonyFan...
YOU\'RE THE ONE WHO DECIDED TO LEAVE PSO!!!
BAH!!!
Ever since I got V2, I\'ve been on regularly since I\'m paying for it now.
Name the time and place...
I made a new character and she\'s Lvl 31 so we can level up our characters together.
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Ashford....
YOURE THE ONE WHO NEVER SHOWED UP..... Well, both you and Altered... Plus the JP servers were down....I jus got pissed and gave up trying. I\'m usin Sinue now, lvl 20 and I\'m on a lot cause my friend Misaki\'s HL is runnin out and she\'s gonna quit when it\'s gone so I\'m jus trying to make the most of it while she\'s there since none of her other friend are online.
I\'ll be on Puck 9 meetin up with her tonight at 12 CST. If ya wanna trade cards, meet me there.
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me thinks we should have a PSO Sub Forum ;)
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HEeeeeyyyy!!! That\'s a GREAT idea!!!
:p ;)
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Now, I have BB, and a router, and I wanted to run the modem from the DC to my computer. I know how to do this, run a Dial Up Server, it answers the DC without actually having to use the phone line, (directly from DC to my PC). I\'ve got it all set up, but I need a Windows application capable of Net Address Translation (NAT) TO/FROM dial-up-networking. I got winroute pro, which was the only one I knew of that did it, but something in it is horribly crashing up my computer, I can\'t even come close to booting when it\'s installed.
My question is:
Does anyone know of a good NAT program (preferably freeware), that can interface with dial-up-networking? Even Microsoft\'s own internet connection sharing won\'t do that.... Thanks...
**EDIT:**
In case others are interested in doing this (how selfish of me), here\'s where I found out how to do it:
DREAMCAST --> PC == BROADBAND (http://home.elp.rr.com/terlouw/Why.htm)
Winroute lite is the freeware... I found pro without much difficulty, but piracy isn\'t condoned, so don\'t ask me for it.... yeah... don\'t email or pm me, and expect me to send you the pro version... I really, morally, couldn\'t. ;)
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SonyFan...
Remember that I can\'t visit this forum at home so I never get your replies until the next day.
Choose a time and place at least 2 days in advance, preferably around 11 EST...
Thats why I didn\'t show up the first time...
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Maybe mm can do us a favor like he did for L-I-C...
;)
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Originally posted by Ginko
No no no:eek:
It\'s because I suck at the game...I rocked on the one for Saturn, then I bought the DC version and it\'s whooped my ass ever since:confused:
NO EXCUSES!!
* Nu beats Ginko with a Temjin action figure.