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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: QuDDus on April 10, 2002, 11:18:01 AM
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Well I stoped following ps2 sales around the 30million mark. I have no idea what the numbers are now. It seems with only 2 years into it\'s birth ps2 has claimed the title as king of this generation. I mean when you think about it. It\'s quite amazing seeing how old the system is.
5 months ago all the talk was XBOX and GCN are entering the console game so it\'s going to be a tight race. And 5 months into
Xbox birth and many are already saying the console is dead. The console has not even really just begun to live. But if you would go buy it\'s system sales it would seem to be on the road to final doom.
I say the same thing can be said for GCN all the talk of it\'s first party is going to pull it out. Give me a got damn break I am tired of hearing that. Right now GCN is in the same boat as Xbox.
Only thing selling like hot cakes from Nintendo is GBA. And that\'s sad. Gamecube is much cheaper than the other consoles and Nintendo is not new to the console industry ppl know them. So there is no excuse for there slow sales except ppl don\'t want there product.
The sad thing about Nintendo is they where once number 1. They act as if they never where on top of the console industry. They don\'t even want to try and expand there content to go head to head with sony. It\'s just plain pathetic. And all ms does is continue to spit BS out of there mouth instead of focusing on trying to put quality games on Xbox.
Whats sad about MS is they talked all this quality control. And they can\'t seem to see that there poor games is one of the reasons there sales are so slow.
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This was expected on Nintendo\'s side. Nintendo has always and probably will always depend on first and second party support. The reason for slow GC sales is simple, there are not any big games being released for the most part, and you\'ll notice that when a big game is released like SSMBM or BIoHazard, sales do go up for a short period of time. Personally, I suspect once Mario, Star Fox, Metriod and Zelda are out the doors, or just one of them out the door, Nintendo\'s userbase will go up a noticeable amount, still it won\'t be enough to catch up with Sony\'s install base.
As for Microsoft, before the launch of the Xbox this was discussed and a lot of MS fans kept saying it wasn\'t true. What am I talking about? Lack of Japanese support and third party support! MS does have a lot of developers signed on, but so far none of them have delivered a truly compelling reason to buy an Xbox. The closest thing so far has been HALO , a game that sells better in America, due to it being a FPS. Now that sells are all but dead in Japan, more and more projects are either being moved to another platform (Wreckless) or just being hushed. When is the last time we heard anything about an original Capcom title? We saw one CGI movie of Dino Crisis 3 almost a year ago, and since then nothing. What about Konami? They ported SH2 but that is about it. No mention of the elusive MGSX (and I\'m doubtful we\'ll ever see it). The list goes on and on.
MS did do decent over here in the US at launch, but now they are going through a series of bad games that is not helping their reputation. What was they thinking when they gave he "okay" to games like Azurik or Circus Maximus?
Finally, for Sony...They\'re doing great with the PS2 and have been since launch, but the HD is looking to be more and more of a vaporware on the US shores. I just don\'t see Sony truly commited to the product and if they do end up releasing it over here with a half-hearted attempt, it can and will damage their reputation. I think it is best for them to leave it over in Japan, let it die a slow death (like Nintendo\'s 64DD) and try to erase it from the public\'s mind.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
This was expected on Nintendo\'s side. Nintendo has always and probably will always depend on first and second party support. The reason for slow GC sales is simple, there are not any big games being released for the most part, and you\'ll notice that when a big game is released like SSMBM or BIoHazard, sales do go up for a short period of time. Personally, I suspect once Mario, Star Fox, Metriod and Zelda are out the doors, or just one of them out the door, Nintendo\'s userbase will go up a noticeable amount, still it won\'t be enough to catch up with Sony\'s install base.
As for Microsoft, before the launch of the Xbox this was discussed and a lot of MS fans kept saying it wasn\'t true. What am I talking about? Lack of Japanese support and third party support! MS does have a lot of developers signed on, but so far none of them have delivered a truly compelling reason to buy an Xbox. The closest thing so far has been HALO , a game that sells better in America, due to it being a FPS. Now that sells are all but dead in Japan, more and more projects are either being moved to another platform (Wreckless) or just being hushed. When is the last time we heard anything about an original Capcom title? We saw one CGI movie of Dino Crisis 3 almost a year ago, and since then nothing. What about Konami? They ported SH2 but that is about it. No mention of the elusive MGSX (and I\'m doubtful we\'ll ever see it). The list goes on and on.
MS did do decent over here in the US at launch, but now they are going through a series of bad games that is not helping their reputation. What was they thinking when they gave he "okay" to games like Azurik or Circus Maximus?
Finally, for Sony...They\'re doing great with the PS2 and have been since launch, but the HD is looking to be more and more of a vaporware on the US shores. I just don\'t see Sony truly commited to the product and if they do end up releasing it over here with a half-hearted attempt, it can and will damage their reputation. I think it is best for them to leave it over in Japan, let it die a slow death (like Nintendo\'s 64DD) and try to erase it from the public\'s mind.
The thing I see with Nintendo is last generation they weren\'t nearly close to psx in sales numbers and It was only Psx and N64 in the console race. And with ps2 selling faster than psx with a higher sticker and only 2 years into the birth. I just don\'t see Nintendo doing big numbers. I mean there barely getting past xbox in sales.
Sure when Bio hit the sales went but, it went up over xbox. And not by all that much. They still failed to beat out ps2 which has been out for 2 years.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
5 months ago all the talk was XBOX and GCN are entering the console game so it\'s going to be a tight race. And 5 months into Xbox birth and many are already saying the console is dead. The console has not even really just begun to live. But if you would go buy it\'s system sales it would seem to be on the road to final doom.
The Xbox is an amazing console, yet for many reasons, a lot of people won\'t buy it. In Japan, it\'s pretty much being ignored. I don\'t know if it\'s that the Japanese are biased against American consoles, or that it\'s just that the Xbox doesn\'t have too many Japanese games. But whatever it is, it is really doing poorly in Japan.
Microsoft made the stupid mistake of pricing the Xbox too high in Europe. Even the Xbox fanboys at TXB were saying how stupid Microsoft was for doing this. I don\'t see how Microsoft could have made such a huge mistake, but its too late now. It is doing rather poorly there too.
In America it is doing very well though. It has a few gems, has a lot of advertisements, and has a lot of potential, and the American people are seeing this. I think Microsoft is doing great considering it\'s competing against two extremely well known video game companies. The question will Microsoft start doing well in Europe and Japan, and if not, will the Xbox be able to live off of the American market alone?
The sad thing about Nintendo is they where once number 1. They act as if they never where on top of the console industry. They don\'t even want to try and expand there content to go head to head with sony. It\'s just plain pathetic.
Why would they though? If they did expand there content, then they would be competing with Sony as well as Microsoft. But if they stay the same and mostly cater to the younger audience and/or Nintendo lovers (in Eik\'s case ;)), then they will be making more than enough money to live off of. Just last year they made 1.1 billion dollars profit! (link (http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/newsarticle.asp?siteid=mktw&sid=140007&guid=%7BB5EC24C8%2D0731%2D4A74%2D8DE8%2DD10E2C109916%7D)) Instead of going all out like Microsoft and losing $60 per console, they made a cheaper, yet still very powerful console that they actually could make a profit on with every sale. And they also have the GBA which is doing unbelievably well which probably makes up at least 3/4 of that 1.1 billion dollars. If anything, Nintendo is playing this "game" smarter than anyone else. :)
I\'m sure they could care less about their userbase as long as the billions of dollars keep rolling in. :)
And this next year is only going to get better for them. If they made that much money off of GBAs and the almost gameless NGCs, just imagine what will happen when the good games start coming.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Why would they though? If they did expand there content, then they would be competing with Sony as well as Microsoft. But if they stay the same and mostly cater to the younger audience and/or Nintendo lovers (in Eik\'s case ;)), then they will be making more than enough money to live off of. Just last year they made 1.1 billion dollars profit! (link (http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/newsarticle.asp?siteid=mktw&sid=140007&guid=%7BB5EC24C8%2D0731%2D4A74%2D8DE8%2DD10E2C109916%7D)) Instead of going all out like Microsoft and losing $60 per console, they made a cheaper, yet still very powerful console that they actually could make a profit on with every sale. And they also have the GBA which is doing unbelievably well which probably makes up at least 3/4 of that 1.1 billion dollars. If anything, Nintendo is playing this "game" smarter than anyone else. :)
I\'m sure they could care less about their userbase as long as the billions of dollars keep rolling in. :)
And this next year is only going to get better for them. If they made that much money off of GBAs and the almost gameless NGCs, just imagine what will happen when the good games start coming.
Last time around Gameboy made nintendo a ton of money and so did pokemon. GBA has not slowed down and should bring Nintendo more money. But I think pokemon is on it\'s last leg the last poke movie was a flop. The tv show is just about dead. This time is not last time I don\'t see poke games running the game charts this time. I just think if Nintendo would expand on the content they have. They would have a more diverse library, and they could make more money off there console. And maybe take the top spot.
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*shakes head*
While Nintendo\'s first/second-party efforts have always been solid, it wasn\'t until the N64 that they depended solely on them for sales. Right now, while things are looking less than spectacular for GCN and Xbox.. but believe me, it\'s not over. PS2 will maintain the lead overall, but no self-respecting gamer can deny that Xbox/GCN have huge potential in late 2002 and beyond.
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yeah, they have hella potential
GC has the games in thier pocket that are the future key to its success, games like mario, celda, starfox, etc
xbox has ummmm, well...... *pause*..... halo 2? ummmmm, and ahhhhhh, damn.
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Nintendo brings in big titles from Square, Capcom, EA, and Sega, announces a dozen new no-name developers every month, and people still refuse to see that they\'re bringing in third party support.
This isn\'t 1996 anymore. ;]
-Eik
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its not?
/me opens door and looks outside. *thinks for second* sees bright ball of fire in sky
ACK! WHO SET THE MOON ON FIRE!
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Eik: You\'d be surprised at exactly how many "good" developers have signed on with Nintendo.. ;)
Just about every top-notch RPG developer you can think of, every major 3rd-party.. all of those no-name smaller teams you mentioned.. big-time arcade developers like Namco and Sega.. it goes on and on. By the time 2003 is halfway over, some of us probably won\'t even remember Resident Evil because of the dozens of other quality games coming from now to then!
Not to mention all of the secrecy.. ugh. IGN has dropped very blunt hints that XenoSaga is coming to GameCube.. you didn\'t expect that, did you? I\'m dying to play some quality RPG\'s, and GCN is slowly but surely getting \'em!
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Originally posted by QuDDus
But I think pokemon is on it\'s last leg the last poke movie was a flop.
Kind of off topic, but are you referring to Pokemon 3? If so, that\'s sad. Pokemon the movie 3 was IMO the best out of all of them (followed closely by the first, then the second in a distant 3rd).
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ok my ideas
PS2 easy first
GCN comfortable second
Xbox lagging behind
thar she blows
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Originally posted by Blade
Eik: You\'d be surprised at exactly how many "good" developers have signed on with Nintendo.. ;)
Just about every top-notch RPG developer you can think of, every major 3rd-party.. all of those no-name smaller teams you mentioned.. big-time arcade developers like Namco and Sega.. it goes on and on. By the time 2003 is halfway over, some of us probably won\'t even remember Resident Evil because of the dozens of other quality games coming from now to then!
Not to mention all of the secrecy.. ugh. IGN has dropped very blunt hints that XenoSaga is coming to GameCube.. you didn\'t expect that, did you? I\'m dying to play some quality RPG\'s, and GCN is slowly but surely getting \'em!
Yeah, but where are the games? I have honestly not touched my GC in 3 months. That is I haven\'t even inserted the controller, nor has my hand been remotely near the power button.
Remember when MS anounnced that the X-Box has 300 developers signed on? Who was supposed to care? I sure as hell didn\'t. People care about whether or not these 3rd parties deliver the goods, not about whether they\'re "signed on and onboard :rolleyes:" or not.
Addmitedly these aren\'t the days of the N64, but their not the good ol\' SNES days either.
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Iron fist......you.....saw....the....pokemon......movies? Why? How old are you? ITS POKEMON!
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Originally posted by cloud345
Iron fist......you.....saw....the....pokemon......movies? Why? How old are you? ITS POKEMON!
no what ........surely watching it on VHS or DVD don\'t Count... DO THEY ?
:eek:
:shy:
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Originally posted by kangu-G^Ltt^s
Yeah, but where are the games?
Two places. In the store. And by my Gamecube. :)
Seriously there\'s a bunch of fun games, but you\'re probably looking for that "epic adventure" like are so popular on PS2. If that\'s the case, you won\'t find it... for a couple weeks, anyway.
But if it weren\'t for SSX Tricky, I wouldn\'t have played GC in a while... assuming I didn\'t spend my SSX money on Sonic or something. Hell, I even almost bought Pac-Man World 2 just to play the old arcade versions... If you\'ve got cash to spend, there\'s plenty of gaming to be had. NBA Street and Sega Soccer Slam (or whatever its called) are said to be pretty good, too. I\'m probably overlooking a couple titles worth mentioning, but without the cash to spend, and the pending releases of some major titles, I haven\'t been doing too much shopping lately.
-Eik
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Naturally I\'m looking for some traditional Nintendo games from Rare and other 1st second parties. But as to what I\'m looking for from third parties I want something that\'s not a port, and that\'s not an arcade game. Not necesarily an \'epic\' game (not that there are very many on any console at the moment), but definitely something with a story and characters in it. Resident Evil 0 would fit the bill nicely, anything along those lines.
As of right now most of the GC games out on store shelves that are not 1st party are indeeed token games or ports. The few, good, third party games that Nintendo has coming up or released are all from SEGA, some other developer needs to step up and make Silent Hill 3 for the GC, or how about GTA Miami? Those games speak for themselves, and they mean a lot more than just having the developers name on a list.
Anyway glad you\'re enjoying your GC :), I\'m by no means even considering selling mine, it\'s just that some times I feel kind of sad for the little guy.
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Kangu: Yeah, I feel the same way.. although I think that the rollercoaster has just started.
SSBM, Pikmin, Rogue Leader = starting the ride.
Soccer Slam, NBA Street, Sonic Adventure 2 = slowly climbing the hill.. so slow..
Resident Evil, Mafia, Lost Kingdoms = reaching the summit.
Eternal Darkness, Wrestlemania X8 = starting down the drop..
Mario Sunshine and beyond in 2002 = the drop! Yeaaaargh!
2003 = we\'re flying by the seat of our pants through the rest of this 5-year ride.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Kind of off topic, but are you referring to Pokemon 3? If so, that\'s sad. Pokemon the movie 3 was IMO the best out of all of them (followed closely by the first, then the second in a distant 3rd).
How is that off topic? You said Nintendo maid X amount of dollars and I was merely saying that a lot of that money came from pokemon which is on it\'s last leg and I don\'t think will be bringing Nintendo those huge dollars like it did last generations.
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QuDDus, putting Nintendo in the same boat with xbox is just flat out wrong.
GC launched with zero of the titles Nintendo is famous for and still held its own in console sales against xbox. In the wings Nintendo has several big time cows waiting to be cashed whose relaese will be accompanied by major spikes in console sales. Afterwards look for continued slow steady growth in GC sales over the years. Please consider, I\'ve got no love for Nintendo, I just realize how huge the fanbase is. Its the N64 scene again only under better circumstances this time around (a more developer friendly console, bigger third party support).
The nicest thing I can say about xbox is that I think MS will continue to support it for the next few years, though it might look to all the world as just a money sucking black hole for Bill Gates\' wallet.
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Originally posted by Heretic
QuDDus, putting Nintendo in the same boat with xbox is just flat out wrong.
GC launched with zero of the titles Nintendo is famous for and still held its own in console sales against xbox. In the wings Nintendo has several big time cows waiting to be cashed whose relaese will be accompanied by major spikes in console sales. Afterwards look for continued slow steady growth in GC sales over the years. Please consider, I\'ve got no love for Nintendo, I just realize how huge the fanbase is. Its the N64 scene again only under better circumstances this time around (a more developer friendly console, bigger third party support).
The nicest thing I can say about xbox is that I think MS will continue to support it for the next few years, though it might look to all the world as just a money sucking black hole for Bill Gates\' wallet.
Blah blah blah:rolleyes: same old Nintendo excuses when this title comes out and when that title comes out give me a break.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Blah blah blah:rolleyes: same old Nintendo excuses when this title comes out and when that title comes out give me a break.
Well its the truth pal. Nintendo\'s games are far and few in between, but when they\'re out, they sell systems. They\'re not in the same position as Microsoft and their Xbox.
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QuDDus: The problem is that you don\'t have any idea how much 3rd-parties like the GameCube.
In numbers.. what PC developers give to the Xbox (a lot) is comparable to what Japanese developers are giving to GCN. As I told "tshirts" in another thread.. do some research before you post an opinion. Assumption sucks.
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Originally posted by Blade
QuDDus: The problem is that you don\'t have any idea how much 3rd-parties like the GameCube.
In numbers.. what PC developers give to the Xbox (a lot) is comparable to what Japanese developers are giving to GCN. As I told "tshirts" in another thread.. do some research before you post an opinion. Assumption sucks.
Breaking news sherlock. This thread was starting with an opinion and all the replys in this thread are opinions:rolleyes:
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nah Quddus, i gotta disagree with what you think here..
you just watch the GameCube\'s sales sky rocket everytime a new big game comes out :)
it will make it.. just as they did last gen :)
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Originally posted by QuDDus
How is that off topic? You said Nintendo maid X amount of dollars and I was merely saying that a lot of that money came from pokemon which is on it\'s last leg and I don\'t think will be bringing Nintendo those huge dollars like it did last generations.
I was saying my question about "which Pokemon movie flopped" was off topic, not that you bringing those movies into this thread was off topic.
cloud345 and 007, yes, I saw Pokemon 1 and 2 in the theatres, and just recently saw 3 at home. :D IronFist is teh kiddie!