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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: jm on April 25, 2002, 11:45:52 AM
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Q: Could Microsoft\'s X-box be qualified as one of the biggest dissapointments of the 21st century?
I believe X-box could be concidered one of the biggest dissapointments of the 21st century. I believe that Microsoft had gotten ahead of itself, and mis-read it\'s competition. Obviously, it all comes down to the money, and it\'s just that Microsoft lost and is losing a lot of these days.
It\'s evident that it does take companies ahwile to see profits in their newly developed consoles and titles, but as I see it today and from posted news, almost everything is taking a nose-dive. With the subpar release Japan and Europe (UK), two of the biggest markets for consoles next to the USA, really hurt Microsoft. Prices of their units were very overpriced.
Microsoft had a huge wing of software developers that signed on, but as of late, there hasn\'t been a wide variety of AAA games. Also, for the developers being forced to follow specific guidelines to use their Direct-X API is it annoying developers.
Microsoft also blew it\'s perfect opportunity. They had Intel developing their proceossor and nVidia responsible for their graphical powerhouse based on it\'s GeForce3 technology (XGPU) and it\'s nForce-like motherboard. Take that and add to the equation that the company had the resources and the reputation to make something solid, is now a fantasy.
I think Microsoft also relied heavily upon "on paper specifications." Basically what I mean by that, is that you really can\'t pursuade a customer to buy into something that has absolute killer hardware but really no games to keep you playing for ahwile. As of now, it seems like they have their sights on a Fall comeback, but that\'s roughly 6 months away, leaving the competiion wide open to start taking hits on your market.
I also believe Microsoft didn\'t recognize Sony\'s fanbase. Sony will always be remembered for their PS1 era, and their PS2 has a huge fanbase. Upon inical release of X-box, PS2\'s still sold well. Perhaps lack of AAA launch games? Was Halo enough to keep X-box\'s selling?
These are all thoughts/opinions/facts on why I think X-box should be concidered the biggest dissapointment of the 21st century and possibly of console history.
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Could jm\'s intelligence be comparable to GManJoe\'s?
:rolleyes:
Yes, in the second year of the century, and XBox is already the biggest disappointment of it. Biggest disappointment in console history?? Have you even played XBox? it has more quality content than 3DO, Jaguar, and Virtual Boy. And all of those promised the same, if not larger results in terms of how great it would be. All were supposed to be revolutionary, weren\'t they?
Some people *shakes head*
I guess it is only a disappointment at those who wish it\'s death every day and are unhappy to see, yes, it still truckin\'. Slowly, but still moving.
Eric Jacob
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Microsoft had a huge wing of software developers that signed on, but as of late, there hasn\'t been a wide variety of AAA games.
PS2 also had a huge wing of developers from day one...how long was it before those AAA games came out? I don\'t believe (I know) it was within the first 6 months of the consoles life. More like a year...
I also believe Microsoft didn\'t recognize Sony\'s fanbase. Sony will always be remembered for their PS1 era, and their PS2 has a huge fanbase. Upon inical release of X-box, PS2\'s still sold well. Perhaps lack of AAA launch games? Was Halo enough to keep X-box\'s selling?
This is the only part I wouldn\'t argue with...I don\'t think MS was prepared for this highly competitive market or to go up against Sony.
Also about the fall comeback, I wouldn\'t say it\'s out of reach. I don\'t see anything mindblowing coming this way from Sony as to be the forerunner this holiday season as far as games go...MS supposedly has "killer apps" ready for the fall/winter 2002. If Brute Force, Project Ego, Panzer Dragoon, Duality, Strident, Shenmue 2, Breed, Enclave, Star Wars RPG, Unreal Championship and the likes deliver on all fronts you can sure they\'ll be a following of the masses...
If this fall does prove to be a successful comeback, I hope MS is prepared to follow up with plenty of titles to keep the hype up and consoles moving...
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Perhaps you missed one key word in my post.
Microsoft
I didn\'t have to mention where on the success ladder they are on now, because I know people for the most part on this forum are aware of these things, but I guess now some of us don\'t :rolleyes:
As a manner in fact, I have played X-box on various occasions. Whether it be on a friends X-box or in the store with the latest game, I\'ve played it enough to come up with conclusions. I could go into the huge controller issue, but that\'s just a personal preference, because the huge controller doesn\'t apply to my hands, mind you.
One thing 3DO, Jaguar, and Virtual-Boy didn\'t have in common with X-box is the fact it wasn\'t developed by an OS Software giant that have been brought to court based upon marketing strategy and conditions.
So I felt it should be known that a failure like this didn\'t just sacrifice Microsoft money, but self-image in a new market as well as a whole. Just look at all the big employees Microsoft is losing. Their excuse? "We want to pursue different things," or they join another competing company because of the situation in Washington. Need I say more?
Also, to futher put your interpretation of me in my lack in intelligence, maybe you mis-read a word in my last sentence.
These are allthoughts/opinions/facts on why I think X-box should be concidered the biggest dissapointment of the 21st century and possibly of console history.
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Rikku, I absoutely agree that Microsoft is going to have it\'s time under the spotlight and they are going to make money, but that\'s 6 months away. They are losing tons of money just developing each console they make. They are going to have a hole dug for them that\'s so huge, I don\'t think they will be able to climb out of by the time this is all over.
And Nintendo... their fanbase is still pretty respectable, mind some of the games they produce, it sells.
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Originally posted by jm
Rikku, I absoutely agree that Microsoft is going to have it\'s time under the spotlight and they are going to make money, but that\'s 6 months away. They are losing tons of money just developing each console they make. They are going to have a whole dug for them that\'s so huge, I don\'t think they will be able to climb out of by the time this is all over.
Like I said, with the game lineup the concept of a successful comeback doesn\'t seem impossible...
And Nintendo... their fanbase is still pretty respectable, mind some of the games they produce, it sells.
True, but their userbase didn\'t go up until a noteworthy game came out (Super Smash Bros.). It was garnering poor sales before that release...
It just takes the right game to move consoles...Halo was an awesome game, but they needed a follow up to keep the hype going. They didn\'t deliver...
MS has a handicap though, they haven\'t proven themselves in the console market like Nintedo has over the past two decades. MS has an exremely tough uphill battle to overcome, with the current competition and situations they aren\'t doing that bad...
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Could jm\'s intelligence be comparable to GManJoe\'s?
:rolleyes:
Eric Jacob
BWAHAHA! :laughing: I recall you saying that the console of your choice was a no brainer : Xbox.
Well, if you had used your brain, you would have said PS2.
So far, everything I said about the Xbox has been right on. See, I use my brain. Unlike some people with altered state of minds. :p
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The X-Box kind of reminds me of the old Sega Saturn. Remember how seriously overpriced it was at first? I think that contributed somewhat to its downfall.
Although I don\'t follow the console wars too much, I do think it\'s still possible for the big black box to make a strong comeback. I don\'t see it happening, but there is always that possibility.
At my local Blockbuster, they\'ve taken videogames off the shelves because somebody stole nearly all of the X-Box games from the store itself. Now you take the box, and bring it up to the counter, where they check if it\'s in or not. Was it really necessary to steal a bunch of mediocre games like that? I dunno the point of me posting this; perhaps proof that X-Box still has it\'s fans out there.
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If a strong comeback is possible, doesn\'t it stand to reason it rests on more than an influx of good to great games? I mean, what\'s really hurting right now is the ‘OMG-look-at-that-screen\' factor just isn\'t there. Some would argue I\'m sure but in graphics right now Xbox is falling into more of a ‘PS2- me-too-plus\' category. Ya think?
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very nice thoughts jm, but they are illspent here
just do what i do and mindlessly bash it every chance you get
[/sarcasm]
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jm: I think you\'re going a little bit hard on Microsoft. I want \'em to fail as much as any other self-respecting gamer does. They brought the SOB that made PC\'s Trepasser on-board as a leader in development, for Christ sakes!
I can see though, that like Sony\'s PS2 and eventually Nintendo\'s GCN.. the Xbox is going to break out of whatever slump you think it\'s in. The sales numbers might be a little low right now.. but there\'s too much promise in upcoming games to compare the Xbox to failures such as 3DO, Jaguar, and Virtual Boy. Heck, Virtual Boy was dead only a month after it came out.. at Yamauchi\'s request. Gunpei Yokoi left Nintendo in shame after designing that system!
Xbox\'s failure in Japan has nothing on the Virtual Boy! :)
And Nintendo... their fanbase is still pretty respectable, mind some of the games they produce, it sells.
Mind some of the games they produce? Like what? I can pick out a few mediocre Nintendo-published games.. but you go far too hard on them too. I\'m trying to remember.. who\'s side are you on in the "console war"? Sony\'s?
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there\'s a war?
if there be a war, im on yer side blade
*snuggle*
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I think "Biggest Microsoft Disapointment" would be more apropriate
or "Biggest disapointment of several years"
Century is too broad
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Originally posted by jm
Q: Could Microsoft\'s X-box be qualified as one of the biggest dissapointments of the 21st century?
I believe X-box could be concidered one of the biggest dissapointments of the 21st century. I believe that Microsoft had gotten ahead of itself, and mis-read it\'s competition. Obviously, it all comes down to the money, and it\'s just that Microsoft lost and is losing a lot of these days.
It\'s evident that it does take companies ahwile to see profits in their newly developed consoles and titles, but as I see it today and from posted news, almost everything is taking a nose-dive. With the subpar release Japan and Europe (UK), two of the biggest markets for consoles next to the USA, really hurt Microsoft. Prices of their units were very overpriced.
Microsoft had a huge wing of software developers that signed on, but as of late, there hasn\'t been a wide variety of AAA games. Also, for the developers being forced to follow specific guidelines to use their Direct-X API is it annoying developers.
Microsoft also blew it\'s perfect opportunity. They had Intel developing their proceossor and nVidia responsible for their graphical powerhouse based on it\'s GeForce3 technology (XGPU) and it\'s nForce-like motherboard. Take that and add to the equation that the company had the resources and the reputation to make something solid, is now a fantasy.
I think Microsoft also relied heavily upon "on paper specifications." Basically what I mean by that, is that you really can\'t pursuade a customer to buy into something that has absolute killer hardware but really no games to keep you playing for ahwile. As of now, it seems like they have their sights on a Fall comeback, but that\'s roughly 6 months away, leaving the competiion wide open to start taking hits on your market.
I also believe Microsoft didn\'t recognize Sony\'s fanbase. Sony will always be remembered for their PS1 era, and their PS2 has a huge fanbase. Upon inical release of X-box, PS2\'s still sold well. Perhaps lack of AAA launch games? Was Halo enough to keep X-box\'s selling?
These are all thoughts/opinions/facts on why I think X-box should be concidered the biggest dissapointment of the 21st century and possibly of console history.
I\'m very pleased with tha ole box. This Fall is very promising and sales will go up. The sad thing about Japan is that Xbox is one of the most successful American products released over there. Goes to show just how biased the Japanese are.
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biased against overpriced consoles with a severe lack of games?
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No but this thread could be classified as one of the dumbest threads posted this century.
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is that why you happen to be a part of it?
:P
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Originally posted by QuDDus
No but this thread could be classified as one of the dumbest threads posted this century.
Another Microsoft employee...:rolleyes:
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Oh my god....
THE X-BOX HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR SIX MONTHS!![/b]
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yeah, and where was the DC after 6 months?
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, and where was the DC after 6 months?
Sega was already in a spiral with Saturn and a crumbling user fanbase. Microsoft is fresh in the home console biz... How can we call it the biggest disappointment of the 21st century when its only been out for half a year? If we are talking about the games on it, then let us not forget the horrendous titles in the PS2\'s first 6 months (probably minus, SSX and Timesplitters)?
I don\'t own an X-box, but aren\'t some of us being a bit biased here?
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Oh my god....
THE X-BOX HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR SIX MONTHS!! [/B]
AND IT HAS LIKE 6 GAMES
Seriously though, where are my games. I love my HALO but I need more.
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Originally posted by gameomania
I\'m very pleased with tha ole box. This Fall is very promising and sales will go up. The sad thing about Japan is that Xbox is one of the most successful American products released over there. Goes to show just how biased the Japanese are.
after the first time i read that ....it sounded like you where saying that.....
"The Japanese won\'t buy the X box bacuse its American"
like i said its SOUNDS like not is what you said
anyway your new and i have been up most the night so sorry mate if i have offended you.
anywhoooo we SHOULD all know by now that the poor sales are NOT solely down to a RACE thing.
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Originally posted by ooseven
after the first time i read that ....it sounded like you where saying that.....
"The Japanese won\'t buy the X box bacuse its American"
like i said its SOUNDS like not is what you said
anyway your new and i have been up most the night so sorry mate if i have offended you.
anywhoooo we SHOULD all know by now that the poor sales are NOT solely down to a RACE thing.
No, I\'m not insinuating that the Japanese are racist against Americans, but I do know that Xbox will never make a major impact in Japan, no matter what. The Japanese will never let an American console penetrate their market. We\'ve tried time and time again and failed.
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tried time and time again?
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anyhoo, where was the 3DO after 6 months?
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Originally posted by mm
tried time and time again?
?
anyhoo, where was the 3DO after 6 months?
Yes, American companies have tried to penetrate the Japanese market many times and have failed. It\'s no secret that the Japanese are loyal to their own.
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oh i thought you meant american gaming companies have tried
perhaps it not the people, but the 92527959% tarriff that the japanese govt smacks down on any imported US product
not like US people, we want it cheap and fast, no matter where it comes from
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*Could X-box be qualified as the one of the biggest dissapointments in the 21st cent..*
Some people thought the same about PS2 two years ago...
give this jewel the time it needs...
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as nice as the xbox may be, M$ shot themselves in the foot a long time ago
xbox will finish 3rd, at best, in the "console war"
anyone who thought the PS2 was the biggest dissapointment is a fool, ooops, you didnt? did you biz?
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Originally posted by mm
as nice as the xbox may be, M$ shot themselves in the foot a long time ago
xbox will finish 3rd, at best, in the "console war"
anyone who thought the PS2 was the biggest dissapointment is a fool, ooops, you didnt? did you biz?
Nope! :) I believed to Sony a lot...maybe too much...that\'s the problem...I always thought it should be been a successful console...even if,right now,I\'m not satisfied with PS2...but you know...it\'s another story...
...but months and months ago a lot of Sega fans called PS2 a BIG disappointment...and now some PS2 fans are doing the same with the XBox...
XBox will finish 3rd ? naah...wait and see...don\'t be so rash;) !
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Nope! :) I believed to Sony a lot...maybe too much...that\'s the problem...I always thought it should be been a successful console...even if,right now,I\'m not satisfied with PS2...but you know...it\'s another story...
...but months and months ago a lot of Sega fans called PS2 a BIG disappointment...and now some PS2 fans are doing the same with the XBox...
XBox will finish 3rd ? naah...wait and see...don\'t be so rash;) !
You Xbox fanboy you:p Just playing man. I know each of us here has our own thoughts on Xbox. Im keeping mine, just to use as a dvd player, and so i can get Buffy when it comes out.:D GC with its games will finish 2nd this war. ME THINKS. Don\'t shoot me:(
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
You Xbox fanboy you:p Just playing man. I know each of us here has our own thoughts on Xbox. Im keeping mine, just to use as a dvd player, and so i can get Buffy when it comes out.:D GC with its games will finish 2nd this war. ME THINKS. Don\'t shoot me:(
just playing? it\'s the reason why I\'m not satisfied with PS2...you PS2 fanboy :p !
...I\'m joking...it\'s only a pun:)
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exactly, my xbox = DVD player
i havent played a game in it since beating Halo
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Originally posted by mm
exactly, my xbox = DVD player
i havent played a game in it since beating Halo
Holy cow, the kommunist mod/amin agrees with me?:eek: Hell hath frozen over.:)
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Originally posted by mm
exactly, my xbox = DVD player
i havent played a game in it since beating Halo
and Munch ?:rolleyes: ...:D
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Originally posted by BizioEE
and Munch ?:rolleyes: ...:D
Ack!
I can\'t believe people are prasing Munch:(
its not THAT good, its okay at best, I personally still like the rather dull after 4 levels GV better.
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
Ack!
I can\'t believe people are prasing Munch:(
its not THAT good, its okay at best, I personally still like the rather dull after 4 levels GV better.
mm likes Munch...that\'s why I said Munch...who\'s praising it? I have still to play it...you fool !:)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
mm likes Munch...that\'s why I said Munch...who\'s praising it? I have still to play it...you fool !:)
Pretty much everyone I know, has it, and says its not as bad as the demo that was in the stores, then i played the retail version, and it wasn\'t to shabby, I liked, but eh, its not exactly my cup of tea.
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munch was cool, didnt see why oddworld ditched PS2 to make it xbox only. they severely limited thier sales
i beat it the 1st time i played it saving all the meeps, ill never play it again
zero replay value, like halo
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Originally posted by mm
munch was cool, didnt see why oddworld ditched PS2 to make it xbox only. they severely limited thier sales
i beat it the 1st time i played it saving all the meeps, ill never play it again
zero replay value, like halo
My one friend that has played Halo says it has replay value up the buttocks.....
I tried to debate him, but he simply said, Im 100 percent right, halo has 200 percent more replay value then PS2 games.
I laughed.
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he says that cause its the only A+ title on the xbox
what else is he gonna play?
imagine if halo was never released for xbox
*shudder*
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Originally posted by mm
he says that cause its the only A+ title on the xbox
what else is he gonna play?
imagine if halo was never released for xbox
*shudder*
Then Xbox would be without a A+ title then, because, Halo was the only reason i bought Xbox to be honest. And now im waiting for that Buffy game, cuz, i frankly don\'t care how bad/good it is, im a huge buffy fan.
I could see Xbox not selling to well, if it wasn\'t having halo at all.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Nope! :) I believed to Sony a lot...maybe too much...that\'s the problem...I always thought it should be been a successful console...even if,right now,I\'m not satisfied with PS2...but you know...it\'s another story...
...but months and months ago a lot of Sega fans called PS2 a BIG disappointment...and now some PS2 fans are doing the same with the XBox...
XBox will finish 3rd ? naah...wait and see...don\'t be so rash;) !
are you saying XBox is in similar circumstances as PS2 was, therefore, theorhetically it could be as successful as the PS2? :rolleyes: :p
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no, hes saying that look what happened when the sega zealots called the PS2 a dissapointment
make a connection?
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oh i made the connection..
but why compare the two? PS2 was a disappointment to Sega fans, and it picked up and is where it is today..
XBox is a disappointment to PS2 fans.. so..? it will pick up and..?
make the connection?
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no, PS2 is a dissaointment to xbox fans is what we\'re saying
watch what will happen to xbox
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baaah
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yeah, thats what the nintendo sheep at n64central.com used to say
:)
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I don\'t excatly want to see Microsoft really fail to say the least. I want to see them compete and be challenged, verses their position operating system market, there really isn\'t any big competition aside from the US government..
What I\'m pointing out and making it very clear is that Microsoft had a killer system, it was released 2 days before GameCube debuted, so there was some competition during that weekend. It had the best "on paper" specs, it offered superior power and flexibility verses the GameCube in some areas.
What bothers me, is that I think Microsoft had the thought of coming out with a bang and had the idea in mind that it will slash sales instantly of PS2 and eventually the GameCube futher on. When the quotas were in, sales of PS2\'s still remained strong and GameCube\'s still sold strong.
Microsoft\'s launch, lets call it decent at best. Yes, I know Halo was their flagship title that was expected to sell Xbox\'s. But one game can\'t do that. It\'s like 5-6 AAA titles, and a follow up in a month or so with some more AAA titles. Microsoft\'s developers failed to produce solid AAA titles in the coming months. I believe that was critical mistake, flaw, whatever you want to call it.
And to add to all this, they got their top heads jumping ship due to Microsoft\'s position. Now, not everyone who jumps ship can be recalled back to the Xbox, but as of late, the more money Microsoft loses, the more people they loose, and that kinda fits together, no?
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Originally posted by ooseven
after the first time i read that ....it sounded like you where saying that.....
"The Japanese won\'t buy the X box bacuse its American"
like i said its SOUNDS like not is what you said
anyway your new and i have been up most the night so sorry mate if i have offended you.
anywhoooo we SHOULD all know by now that the poor sales are NOT solely down to a RACE thing.
Umm he has a point. Japense are bias.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Umm he has a point. Japense are bias.
Evidence ?
or is someone just going to meantion 3DO ...again :rolleyes:
which is a Piss Poor example anyway due to the extreme cr@pness of the console known as the 3DO.
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Originally posted by mm
he says that cause its the only A+ title on the xbox
what else is he gonna play?
imagine if halo was never released for xbox
*shudder*
Your mindless bashing is becoming rediculas. Many others like me happen to like games such as Doa3, NFL fever, project gotham, mad dash racing, jsrf, silent Hill 2 RD just to name a few.
It\'s getting real rediculas seeing all this mindless xbox bashing. When there are other good games on the system. When ps2 had no games for six months after release nobody was bashing ps2 like this but idiots.
And it would be real stupid to bash any console that has just started and we all can see that it has limitless potential to bring great games this generation. The bashing is just stupid. Anyone can go into a store and buy as ps2,xbox, or gamecube. You don\'t have to be rich to afford one.
Some of you act like it\'s a secret club owning one of these console. Well it\'s not!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by ooseven
Evidence ?
or is someone just going to meantion 3DO ...again :rolleyes:
which is a Piss Poor example anyway due to the extreme cr@pness of the console known as the 3DO.
Umm come on give me some credit. I would never mention that console. You have not seen me mention that console once on this board. My thing is how come no american console can succeed in japan?
I mean xbox is a good console. I could see if it were a peace of crap, but it\'s not. The system is good and should not be sinking in japan like the next atari jaguar.
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QuDDus Please (to get back on the Freacking topic) could you provide this evidence of a Japanese Bias to all things American ?
*edit*
i Said REAL evidence from a REAL American Console other than the X box!
the Jaguar was just Atari\'s version of the 3DO ;)
Key for ya ;)
Real American Consoles
X box
Wanabie American "consoles"
Jaguar
3DO
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personally, i have nothing against the xbox, of course you know i own one and certainly paid nowhere near retail for it
but anyhoo, we bash the xbox insistantly not to make fun of the big black box itself, but at the zealots like docwiz and reverandxbox [and the rest] who guaranteed us it was "teh PS2 killah"
we can dance, and sing, and pay servitude to ourselves all day long
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
are you saying XBox is in similar circumstances as PS2 was, therefore, theorhetically it could be as successful as the PS2? :rolleyes: :p
naah...don\'t extrapolate what you want from a simple true statement...
..."a lot of Sega fans said the same about PS2 two years ago"...:p
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Some people are also forgetting that PS2 was launched in 2000 without any real competition. N64 was dying, Sega\'s Dreamcast didn\'t really stand much of a chance to PS2 in terms of fanbase, so it had a successful launch no matter how you want to look at it. PS1 still produced revenue for Sony regardless if PS2 was on the back burner, and Sega really didn\'t have any answer for PS1.
Xbox (newcomer) launches right when NGC releases (competition) and PS2 is at it\'s prime. PS2 still sells strong even through the launch of both consoles.
Theres the low-down on "Sony\'s success." So not many can really complain about Sony\'s period of lack of AAA titles, because again, they had fanbase and PS1 still powering them, and Sega/Nintendo didn\'t really "threat" the empire.
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Originally posted by mm
he says that cause its the only A+ title on the xbox
what else is he gonna play?
imagine if halo was never released for xbox
*shudder*
I sure wouldn\'t have one.
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personally, i have nothing against the xbox, of course you know i own one and certainly paid nowhere near retail for it
Now, now, mm, lets tell the truth. I have never seen someone delight in their hatred for a system and company. I have to question why you would buy one (even at a really low price) if you hate it so much.
I\'m really curious as to how you would like to see the videogame landscape in the next five years.
Ace
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XBox is overpriced, even though it offers:
BBA
Hard Drive
4 controller ports
updated graphics.
for the same price as PS2. old hardware. 2 ports, needs memory cards, etc, etc, etc.
Halo has many great titles, IMO. People must be forgetting Rallisport Challenge, GUNVALKYRIE, JSRF, NBA2K2 (best version of it), Halo, Munch (has awards for it\'s excellent AI), etc.
Quit hating. Why do people ***** about XBox when GC could easily be considered a much bigger waste of time in the states. I mean, it has 2 titles that are exclusive to the system that are truly great. The system right now is worthless and will collect dust unless you are really desperate to play Bond, or **** like that.
Whatever. Haters. XBox will have the most immersive Winter. Project Ego, Panzer O, and Shenmue II.
Who needs another console after these games, not even counting the network.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
XBox is overpriced, even though it offers:
BBA
Hard Drive
4 controller ports
updated graphics.
for the same price as PS2. old hardware. 2 ports, needs memory cards, etc, etc, etc.
Halo has many great titles, IMO. People must be forgetting Rallisport Challenge, GUNVALKYRIE, JSRF, NBA2K2 (best version of it), Halo, Munch (has awards for it\'s excellent AI), etc.
Quit hating. Why do people ***** about XBox when GC could easily be considered a much bigger waste of time in the states. I mean, it has 2 titles that are exclusive to the system that are truly great. The system right now is worthless and will collect dust unless you are really desperate to play Bond, or **** like that.
Whatever. Haters. XBox will have the most immersive Winter. Project Ego, Panzer O, and Shenmue II.
Who needs another console after these games, not even counting the network.
Eric Jacob
:bounce: AMAN:bounce: :bounce:
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Why do people ***** about XBox when GC could easily be considered a much bigger waste of time in the states. I mean, it has 2 titles that are exclusive to the system that are truly great
"it has 2 titles that are exlusive to the system that are truly great"
Sound familiar? :rolleyes:
*cough*M$*cough*
(Except X-box doesn\'t even have 2 good exclusive titles)
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Not the point.
I\'m bashing MS for it\'s arrival in the console market. They made a lot of mistakes already, and it\'s showing. First their failure to successfully expand their market over seas and make revenue. Then they finally cut prices, but they make Xbox\'s bundled with games, so the price is still high. Then we see huge money losses, and more rats jumping ship.
Nintendo bashing was back in the N64 days, I believe we were past the 64-bit-ness weren\'t we? No need mocking a system that\'s already in it\'s casket :rolleyes:
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yeah, i already stated i like the xbox and it has hella potential, but thats just it.... potential.
with corporate suits jumping ship every other day, and exclusives dropping to other consoles at an even faster rate.
i dont hate the xbox, nor do i hate billy gates, or even m$
i merely take great pleaseure in seeing m$ suffer.
my outlook for the gaming world for the next 5 years
sony dominating, there\'s no stopping them
nintendo in 2nd place, better then m$, no?
xbox in 3rd, or abandoned [god forbid this happen, i will have a frickin field day on the zealots, BWUHAHAHAHA! oops... sorry]
im sure steven jobs and lawrence ellison would stand behind me on this one
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Originally posted by jm
Not the point.
I\'m bashing MS for it\'s arrival in the console market. They made a lot of mistakes already, and it\'s showing. First their failure to successfully expand their market over seas and make revenue. Then they finally cut prices, but they make Xbox\'s bundled with games, so the price is still high. Then we see huge money losses, and more rats jumping ship.
Maybe if you thoughtout what your saying then it would make more sense. First of xbox didn\'t launch no more than the cost of ps2 when it launched. Secondly your getting a lot more in xbox. Finally if you don\'t want the console then don\'t buy it, but don\'t sit around and mindless bash thats stupid.
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no, thats entertainment
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I can\'t help but find the whole MS bashing phenomena thing interesting. If Whirlpool made a console and it was a well done I would be happy.
It\'s just weird to me.
Ace
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too true. But you are not insecure of your current washing machine/videogame console. You don\'t say "There is a better product out, let\'s kill it with stupidity so I don\'t feel the need to buy it!!!"
"phew, now it is time for a nice long wank (turns on Golden Girls)"
GC Exclusive great titles:
SUper Monkey Ball
Smash Brothers (it is great, but I really dislike playing it)
I think those are something that nearly all people who have a GC can agree with.
other candidates are:
WR:BS, LM, etc. are all split between love and hate.
XBox has:
the new king of rally racers (at least until SR3): RalliSport.
The king of fps\'s: Halo (don\'t ***** mm)
other candidates:
Project Gotham
GUNVALKYRIE
JSRF
Amped
Something else I have noticed: XBox ports most of the time have something special about them. Whether it be minor things like graphics, cool things like changeable soundtracks, or great things like added levels and characters. If XBox is just trying to be PS2, they are doing a better job then SOny is at it.
Eric Jacob
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It\'s all a matter of opinion, really. There are over a million satisfied Xbox owners that don\'t see to realize any of the stuff you\'re arguing.. probably because they bought more than 2 Xbox games and had fun with every purchase.
Everybody has preferences, you can\'t please everybody with everything..
This explains why everybody rips on Nintendo, who is (combined)_ the most talented set of developers in the video game industry.. IMO. You don\'t like their particular style of game.. that\'s okay. But like Microsoft with their edgy, flashier games.. not everybody\'s going to like any particular product.
As for MS, I agree.. they\'ve made some big mistakes. What do I think they\'ve done wrong?
A. Being very superficial with Japanese gamers.
They had developers set up specifically to cater to Japanese gamers. How would you feel if somebody said this: Oh.. those Japanese people.. they\'ll buy anything quirky! That\'s basically what Microsoft said when they had "MS Japan" set up. The only Xbox games that sold decently in Japan were from Japanese developers.. but not MS Japan. :) Tecmo and Sega, my friends.. Tecmo and Sega.
B. Being very superficial with US gamers.
Well, more like "feeding on the mainstream". Microsoft\'s formula to success is "graphics and gameplay".. but unfortunately, at least half of the games they\'ve had available for the system lack solid gameplay. They have a lead on the GameCube in the US based almost totally on a small graphical advantage.. and PR bull***t! MS has enough cockiness to share some with Nintendo and Sony, too. They say they\'ve "talked with hardcore gamers" and "built this system for developers". Hardcore gamers told you to make this POS controller? I doubt it!
More like Seamus Blackley and his 3-year mission to make the most frustrating FPS game ever (that being Jurassic Park:Trespasser) even more frustrating with tougher controllers! Blah, I\'m almost rambling at this point.
Let\'s just say that they\'re superficial, trying to construct games using "formulas".
GOOD GRAPHICS + SEXY/BADASS/EDGY CHARACTERS + A CONTROLLER THAT ONLY LUCIFER COULD HAVE DESIGNED + A VCR-SIZED CONSOLE THAT DOESN\'T ALLOW YOU TO "HIT THE METAL" EASILY = BEST CONSOLE EVER!
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I like the controller. And showing that MS listens to it\'s fanbase, they gave people with smaller hands (or those who can\'t adapt from Sony\'s death grip controller from the last 7 years) the new one.
Eric Jacob
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eh... deja vu...
This is like a bad habit...
One person speaks an opinion and right away it turns into bias. For heaven\'s sake, there\'s going to be bias no matter where you go, there is no real "unbiased" opinion. If a console disapoints you, you are inclined to state your bad feelings about it.
The biggest disapointment of the 21st century thus far is this damn argument that X-Box was or was not a success. You want my opinions, here they are:
- There is no way X-Box will amass a 20 million userbase in the same amount of time as PS2 did.
- Good games PS2 1st 6 months - SSX. DOA2:HC, Onimusha, Unreal Tournament, Madden, Kessen
- Good X-BOx games thus far... Halo, Halo, Halo, Halo, Halo, and Halo.
- Good Games only on X-Box - none
- X-Box is what we call flavor of the month.
- Damn thing wouldn\'t fit on my damn shelf!
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Those are my arguments against the box, not a complete failure, but a definite disapointment.
Can\'t this thread be something fun and new like, famous X-Box comebacks and excuses.
"just wait til (insert random game rumoured to be coming out from a vague and rather unlikely source) comes out"
"it\'s only been out 6 months"
(3 years later) -------> "it\'s only been out 42 months!"
Not to seem unfair, I\'m sure I could find some things to make fun of PS2 for, like it\'s two ports, or not being able to read burned games (yuk yuk)... but I\'m happy with PS2, and GCN as well, the GC is not overly exciting, but fairly consistent.
Well, that\'s my rant! Wheeeeee... that was fun, we\'ll be back in another wee doing this again.
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Halo is only on XBox. Not to say that you say that SSX, DOA2:HC, Madden, and Onimush when XBox has received better versions of all.
You is a HATER. Like I said before, there are many great games on XBox, some exclusive, some not. If you actually open your eyes, you will see that many of the games you love on PS2 are on and enhanced for XBox.
Eric Jacob
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You mean GC is less exciting in and of the fact that there are less games (and less good games) on the system? No, TOBG, way to be consistent.
Eric Jacob
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Did you also know the PC will be getting an improved ONLINE version of Halo... There goes that exclusive...
BTW, I want to know what games you can and will ONLY be able to play on X-Box... I don\'t care if X-Box got a load of ports...
your entire statement is obiter dictum.
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PC != console. Otherwise, GTA3 != exclusive. FFXI != exclusive. rinse and repeat.
Otherwise. Project Ego, BC, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue series (as far as we know), Gunvalkyrie, JSRF, DOA3, Unreal Championship, World Series Baseball, Rallisport, Doom 3 (remember, PC != console), Bungies secret project, Halo 2, etc.
What\'s that? is that backpedaling?
Eric Jacob
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Hehe, that was a rather silly post on my part.. most of that was just thrown in there for comical value..
After playing some of the Xbox\'s better games on kiosks, I\'ve learned how much fun they are. I\'ve discovered that I have an affinity for Project Gotham Racing.. kinda unexpected! That\'s one solid game from MS.
As for GameCube.. those who don\'t own the system shouldn\'t be saying jack. Like Shigeru Miyamoto says.. play a game before you judge it. Graphics and style aren\'t the whole game.. these things must be mixed with gameplay, sound, and overall atmosphere to create the gaming experience. Just viewing a screenshot doesn\'t show you how enjoyable a game is going to be. This goes for all gaming systems.. PC, console, and handheld!
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I can bash the GC because I have played all of the AMerican released games but two and I know that many are trash or are hard to play because of the controller.
GC will come in it\'s own eventually, but right now, it is the system that at least deserves the bashing. XBox consistently gets third party games out. Where is Blood Omen 2 and Max Payne on GC? I guess Soccer SLam is pretty fun, though.
Spiderman on XBox is another bonus I guess. I can\'t believe it doesnt say anywhere on the box about the two extra levels and extra boss. It only makes sense!
Eric Jacob
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Yeah, but ya know, when I get my Xbox it\'ll be for the new and original games you can\'t find anywhere else. Blood Omen? Max Payne... pfft... who cares. While they might be pretty good in their own right, those are "Generic" titles you can find on other systems. I\'d buy the Xbox for Halo, Project Ego, Muches Oddesey, Gunvalkyrie, and... well... it\'s kinda hard to come up with a ton of Xbox exclusives right now that can be considered AAA titles. That just takes time, and it\'s why I always wait a year after a console\'s lauch to even begin seriously thinking of purchasing it.
I\'ve got MSR on the Dreamcast... Project Gotham dosen\'t interest me.
Oh.. and Altered.. I dunno what anyone else\'s reasons are.. but I could give two sh*ts less about "Added Levels" and "Enhanced Graphics" gimicks. Gimmie something new.. gimmie something I haven\'t played or seen before. Sega was always good for that.. so I have a feeling that most of my Xbox collection (when I get it) will consist of Sega and Lionhead/Molyneunex(sp?) games.
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I talk high-brow with high-brow members, I talk low-brow with low-brow members.
If you were debating with me (I would say "what happened?" :)) Then I would talk about how the hard drive may bless us all come Project Ego/BC/Shenmue III days.
I bought my XBox because I am a collector. I kept it because of the great games it has and great games it is going to have within the next year...and beyond.
Imagine Shenmue III with the full use of a hard drive. Can you even dream how big of a world it can be?
Farnation by Sega is supposed to be announced by Sega at E3. mmorpg and will take advantage of the hd. We will begin to see the light in a couple months. This will be like the day I brought home PSO.
Eric Jacob
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Speaking strictly of console games, I have not played the GC or the X-Box for almost 3 months now. I have been a bit broke, so that happens, but I also find myself not realy wanting too much from either console anyways so maybe my lack of funds is just as well as a lack of good games to anticipate, with the exception of Resident Evil at the end of this month of course. When a console doesn\'t get great games for a few months, it\'s hard to consider it a complete failure and let me clarify that point with a few examples.
When the Playstation first launched just shortly after the Saturn, the competition was slight. People already wounded by the 32X and the SegaCD were still reeling and Sony as a console manufacturer was in roughly the same position as MS is now being a relaitively world renowned company for specific mediums, but a truly untested company when it comes to creating great games. Price was a serious factor at the time and barely any consoles were really moved. Only when the N64 was released and the price drops begin did consoles really move. At that particular point, it was incredibly hard to tell who really was the clear cut winner and that was already a year after two console launches and the release of the revered Mario64.
The point is, in that window of time, so much had changed to really throw off the whole predictability of the situation. Nintendo was the heavy favorite with the most anticipated console in history (whether it lived up to that hype is argueable) and Sony was the classic underdog. Who would have thought that the displacement of one RPG franchise could have altered that equillibrium forever? From this, we can infer that it\'s just far too early to tell who is a failure, if anyone will be a failure, or who will be a true "winner." A mere 6 months after its release and the XBox is already a failure? Come on guys, I think we can all learn something from Sony\'s previous venture into this worldwide phenomenon and that fact is very simple:
Anything can happen.
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And look what the underdog did, brought some of the greatest games ever out. XBox can also do this, but people got to quit hating on it.
It also seems, like with DC, that the media does NOT want XBox to be a success. It is like no positive news is newsworthy. But it is like some small insignificant matter occurs and national sites will be posting crap about it.
Eric Jacob
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Yeah well... too bad I won\'t get a chance to play it. See.. thank\'s to those wonderful people at MS who deemed only Broadband users can go online with the Xbox, I can\'t play MMORPG\'s like PSO or Farnation on it... I can\'t play any online games at all.
Eh.. *Shrugs* At least you\'re right about Shenmue III and that Harddrive. It\'s not like my PSX was any less fun even tho it wasn\'t online. Still.. that was a pretty stoopid move, you have to admit.. even if broadband only does allow for a lotta cool shiznits. I\'ll have a PS2 so there shouldn\'t be any lack of great online games to play.. not to mention I gotta feeling that Dreamcast online servers will be in use (limited use) for a long time to come.
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in another year (read: when more big online titles will actually be released :)) the US is supposed to be like 20% broadband. To have this happen price is probably going to drop down and availability will go up. It\'s all gravy man.
Who knows?
Eric Jacob
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That is my point. Five years is plenty of time for a lot to happen with lots of different things. Just as an example, take a look at the PC market and tell me just how much it has changed in the past five years and I expect these consoles and companies to be no different.
The people do not forget about console issues. The only problem the PSOne really had was the fact that it broke easily and a lot of people had problems with them, but the majority of those who did remained in the minority of those who owned them and thus, the problem was slight. However, now, it\'s going to be hard for people to forget just what looked better, what cost more, and what was worth waiting for. When the PS3 releases, who knows what the state of the industry will be in, but I am sure that it won\'t be as easy for Sony to really pull the wool over the eyes of its competitors around that time. I\'m sure people will consider a lot more when it comes time to put down that 300 bucks (or more) for that new hardware around then.
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Right Altered.. but isn\'t that what they said 2-3 years ago? Isn\'t that what Sony was saying back before the PS2 launched.. but as it turns out it didn\'t.. throwing Sony\'s Online plans out the window and causing them start over from scratch to allow for 56k users. I mean, Sony knew they was going to take the PS2 online from the get go.. and they aren\'t just back there in japan sitting on their thumbs because they can.
But even so.. ok, say 20% of America does become broadband enabled in the next year or so. That\'s still 80% of the market that Microsoft is neglecting. 80%.. that\'s a lot of fooking people you have to admit. If they\'d have allowed for 56k but restricted them to Low Bandwith servers with all the niceties turned off.. that would have been better than where they are now.
I\'m sorry, but I just don\'t see it happening. By the time enough users sign onto Broadband to justify having a BB only option, the Xbox will be on it\'s way out with the Xbox2 comming up to replace it. The only way I see this changing, is if someone makes a breakthrough technology to allow BB users to use their normal phonelines/Power outlets. As it is now, they\'re basically rewiring the entire country.. and that takes time.. and money. Sure many of the big citys are covered.. but there\'s a LOT of people who live in rural communites which have no access to BB other than through satellite... which, again, is useless because while incomming packet travel at amazing speed.. you\'re still using 56k to send outgoing packets.
I really don\'t think broadband is going to grow as fast as people hope.. which is also why I think the PS3 (IF they go through with what they\'re planning) is going to be in some deep f*cking sh*t come 2005.
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altered, ive always respected yer opinions but you make it difficult by repeatedly saying throwing up that JGRF and gunvalkrye are A+ xbox titles
both of them sucked. they contained some of the shallowest gameplay known to mankind. they are creampuffs, more puff and less cream
in fact, im glad they\'re xbox exclusives [for now :)]
as i dont want the average PS2 user to be polluted
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Originally posted by mm
altered, ive always respected yer opinions but you make it difficult by repeatedly saying throwing up that JGRF and gunvalkrye are A+ xbox titles
both of them sucked. they contained some of the shallowest gameplay known to mankind. they are creampuffs, more puff and less cream
in fact, im glad they\'re xbox exclusives [for now :)]
as i dont want the average PS2 user to be polluted
Your crazy JSRF kicks ass. You have no idea what a good game is. Maybe you spent to much time bashing xbox to even try to enjoy the game. The game is great. Or it may just not have been your type of game. And if it wasen\'t that does not mean the game sucked.
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Originally posted by mm
altered, ive always respected yer opinions but you make it difficult by repeatedly saying throwing up that JGRF and gunvalkrye are A+ xbox titles
both of them sucked. they contained some of the shallowest gameplay known to mankind. they are creampuffs, more puff and less cream
in fact, im glad they\'re xbox exclusives [for now :)]
as i dont want the average PS2 user to be polluted
Yes the PS2 users have enough creampuffs with Jak and Daxter (jump, spin, jump, spin, jump, jump)/ Devil May Cry (jump, action, jump, action)...
At least the two Sega titles tried to change up the gameplay a little bit...
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Your crazy JSRF kicks ass. You have no idea what a good game is.
I forgot you loved pikman though:nerd:
Pikmin\'s cool!!!
Anyway, I don\'t think he\'s actually played JSRF...Do you remember the arugement that he said JSRF is a port of JGR? He had no arguement...
I beleive it was just another Xbox rant to go with the whole port-box, Halo runs at 30 fps, "the PS2 killah"...
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he didnt actually think the game was literally a port..
his comment was it was the same game, different levels.. no real reason to play it if you owned the first kinda thang
:)
i think :p
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Originally posted by Ginko
Pikmin\'s cool!!!
Anyway, I don\'t think he\'s actually played JSRF...Do you remember the arugement that he said JSRF is a port of JGR? He had no arguement...
I beleive it was just another Xbox rant to go with the whole port-box, Halo runs at 30 fps, "the PS2 killah"...
I know I wasen\'t trying to rag on pikmin thats why I went back and edited that part out of my post because I did not want it too seem as if I was taking a shot a pikim.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Right Altered.. but isn\'t that what they said 2-3 years ago? Isn\'t that what Sony was saying back before the PS2 launched.. but as it turns out it didn\'t.. throwing Sony\'s Online plans out the window and causing them start over from scratch to allow for 56k users. I mean, Sony knew they was going to take the PS2 online from the get go.. and they aren\'t just back there in japan sitting on their thumbs because they can.
But even so.. ok, say 20% of America does become broadband enabled in the next year or so. That\'s still 80% of the market that Microsoft is neglecting. 80%.. that\'s a lot of fooking people you have to admit. If they\'d have allowed for 56k but restricted them to Low Bandwith servers with all the niceties turned off.. that would have been better than where they are now.
I\'m sorry, but I just don\'t see it happening. By the time enough users sign onto Broadband to justify having a BB only option, the Xbox will be on it\'s way out with the Xbox2 comming up to replace it. The only way I see this changing, is if someone makes a breakthrough technology to allow BB users to use their normal phonelines/Power outlets. As it is now, they\'re basically rewiring the entire country.. and that takes time.. and money. Sure many of the big citys are covered.. but there\'s a LOT of people who live in rural communites which have no access to BB other than through satellite... which, again, is useless because while incomming packet travel at amazing speed.. you\'re still using 56k to send outgoing packets.
I really don\'t think broadband is going to grow as fast as people hope.. which is also why I think the PS3 (IF they go through with what they\'re planning) is going to be in some deep f*cking sh*t come 2005.
Your *****ING about something that there is no reason to be crying about.
I am going to let in on a little secret. Umm ONLINE GAMING SUCKS ON 56K MODEM. THERE IS NO NEED TO HAVE ONLINE GAMES ON 56K IT SUCKS ASS. Unless online gaming is broadband then there is no online gaming.
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Hmm... the only real time you need a lagless enviornment is when you\'re playing an FPS, otherwise, diablo 2 and many online MMORPGs don\'t need anything above 56k.
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yes, i owned [past tense] JGRF
its fluff. they DUMBED DOWN the grafitti tagging control method from the DC version. hows that for being shallow?
i never said PS2 didnt have creampuffs, you guys kill me
why do you take it so personally when someone insults the precious xbox , and feel obligated to insult the PS2
for example...
[anonymous gamer] - "i dont like gunvalyre cause its boring"
[xbox fan] - kekeke, all PS2 games are boring, XBOX 0wnx0rs joo!
instead of defending the attention span that gunvalykre may require, they just impulsivey go into attack mode
/me shrugs
oh and JGRF = port
:)
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56k gaming?
hell i remember playing doom co-op over a 14.4 modem and thinking it couldnt get any better than this. than again, im an old head, and remember 1200 baud modems, uGh
moral of story, 56k is fine for gaming
stop trying to play on servers half a world away
56k modem will get you a sub 200 ping on most servers in yer region
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Well, and with certain racers. I haven\'t played Daytona USA Online yet, but word from SegaWeb is that it\'s buttery smooth online with a 56k with very few instances of lag. And ya know, it\'s not even all shooters that need Broadband either. Sure FPS like QuakeIII and UT play much better (allthough VERY playable even with the annoyance of lag) on broadband, but then you have games like Alien Front Online which are very smooth and never jerk or jitter. About the only way you could tell you\'re lagging is that every once in a while you\'ll fire twice as many rounds into a tank as what it should take to kill them.. and then have em explode a few seconds later.
QuDDus.. STFU. You might be one of those people who have to have the best of the best or nothing at all.. but there\'s THOUSANDS of Dreamcast and PC users out there who will testify that gaming, even over a 56k modem, is a helluva lot more fun than offline play. And as Ryu pointed out, not all games are FPS and not all games need broadband.
Microsoft f*cked up by not giving 56k users any kind of a choice.. deal with it.
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anyone know the percentage of actual broadbane households to dial up households?
i would guess and say perhaps 15% of all online users are on broadband
sonyfan has a valid point, the xbox user will have to get broadband to play online or nothing at all.
what hurts 56k gaming is peer to peer communication
centralized servers are key, and sega knew that
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The majority of online gameplayers are broadband users, as was the study done by UBISoft or Infogrames. I just don\'t want my experience limited by the lowest common denominator. I want everything fast and crazy. Everything would have to be super cut down and super optimized for newer games (like Halo) to run decent in 56k. Look at Q3A on DC. The broadband PC players will kick the crap out of you because they move so fast in comparison.
Some games are fine, but do you want it to say on the box "Online! but only Broadband users" because the game is too complex. Ever tried a mmorpg on 56k? Not fun. Ultima Online is an old game and even THAT game lags.
All the people I have talked with who are buying an XBox at Best Buy and want to play online have DSL or Cable. ALL of them. Anyone who asks already has it.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by SonyFan
QuDDus.. STFU. You might be one of those people who have to have the best of the best or nothing at all.. but there\'s THOUSANDS of Dreamcast and PC users out there who will testify that gaming, even over a 56k modem, is a helluva lot more fun than offline play. And as Ryu pointed out, not all games are FPS and not all games need broadband.
Microsoft f*cked up by not giving 56k users any kind of a choice.. deal with it.
How did MS **** up? Online gaming is not huge on consoles. So I don\'t see where they ****ed up. And I don\'t see online gaming become huge on consoles anytime soon in the future. If
P.S don\'t ever tell me to stfu you hank;)
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Theres no way more than 50% of xbox owners have BB, the overall online percentage is like 15%. I know gaming would have a higher percentage but no way in hell would it be even near 50%. I know 6 people with xbox and none have BB.
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Bozco, you aren\'t out of high school yet, nor do you work with selling the 3 major consoles nearly every day. Everyone I have talked to that has mentioned online play with XBox already has bb. That is the cold hard facts. It may be different everywhere else.
The number of people who use bb is way higher than the number of pure subscribers, btw. Think about college students. They play TONS of games and are supplied with a direct line of bb power :)
Eric Jacob
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How did MS **** up? Online gaming is not huge on consoles. So I don\'t see where they ****ed up. And I don\'t see online gaming become huge on consoles anytime soon in the future. - QuDDuS
That\'s because (sans the Saturn\'s meger attempts at webbrowsing) console owners have never before been given a choice as to weither or not to go online. The market for online gaming consoles is not huge "now", but do you really think that Sega, Sony, Microsoft, AND Sega would have built in hardware/have plans to usher in the online gaming age for consoles if there wasn\'t a ton of potential in it? There\'s huge money to be made in the market for online games.. and it seems that all four of these companies know that. Why am I surprised that you don\'t?
Now out of these four competetors, only one has insisted on Broadband use only. Sony originally had, but they pulled out of that idea. Care to take a guess why? The answer should be obvious.
Again.. STFU. ;)
The majority of online gameplayers are broadband users, as was the study done by UBISoft or Infogrames. - AlteredBeast
Uh huh... Well first off, I\'d like to see a link. Secondly, that poll was of online gamers right now. Right now, other than the dead & burried Dreamcast, there aren\'t any online consoles (Xbox is only through a PC & GameSpy).. a market which consists of well over 120 million users or more. What do the demographics behind that list reveal? Any Dreamcast users in that list? I\'m willing to bet a large majority of those polled were collage students living in their dorms which are (Surprise, Surprise) broadband enabled.
Altered.. I realize the number of Broadband users is not small by any means. BUT.. it\'s nowhere NEAR the size of people who are still on 56k. Microsoft cut out a TON of perfectly good subscribers for apperantly no good reason.
But ah, you mentioned the niceties. Well, I\'m not programming genious, but I would imagine those can be turned off -ingame- to provide more bandwith for narrowband users right? And I would also imagine that servers could be segregated into two camps.. those with low ping and those with high ping. Low Ping connections could access the narrowband servers, but High Ping connections can only play with other high ping users.
Anywho, it sucks to say, but you\'re probably still going to be dragged down by the lowest common denomenator. See, it\'s already happening with Xbox\'s graphics. PS2 games are being ported over with only minimal touchups to make the graphics look better.. much like many low-grade PSX ports to the DC make it look like a PSOne & a Half (judging by Vigilante 8, Tomb Raider 4, ect..). This is going to happen online too. Aside from exclusive titles, any games ported over will not have the niceties which MS\'s broadband was intended for.. because they would have to change too much of the code over from the PS2/NGC versions. Maybe a few extra niceties will find they\'re way through.. but it will be nothing like you\'d find in say, Halo 2 or a similar Xbox exclusive. Not to mention that if they add in too many extras, it would negate the possiblity of cross platform Online gaming since PS2/NGC users would largely be on 56k modems.
Finally, I\'m tired of "My Store" analogys.. because they are completely different no matter where you go in the country. It\'s ok to say how thing are in your part of the world.. but it\'s not any kind of proof that that\'s how it is everywhere. Case in point, I\'ve been doing market analysis at McVan\'s videogame trader in Ft Wayne to help put together a buisness plan for my own videogame shop. Using the guise of a collage student doing a report for a small buisness management class, I quizzed the clerks and managers (when possible) of the problems & promises facing a small dedicated videogame retail shop. One of their top pieces of advice was to keep the customer happy and comming back. Now of the three locations, two of them told of irate customers (don\'t remember the exact number, but it was a fairly decent amount) who would come in and complain about their Xbox\'s (among many other things) not being able to hook up online. See.. they were lead to believe (through gullibility, illiteracy, or stupidity) that the Xbox was online out of the box.. but it wasn\'t.. and expecially for 56k users. Although I only heard of one person turning his Xbox in (not because of the online features, but because of a defect), I get the feeling that they were all pretty irate.
That was actually a very small part of what they told me tho. You should have heard about the compalints people had with the PS2. :D
Now I haven\'t quizzed Ft. Wayne\'s local Best Buy\'s yet.. but I\'ll let you know as soon as I do. Yeah, it\'s underhanded.. but it gets the job done. Besides, if you think this is shady, you should see what I\'m doing to my direct cometition. :evil:
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I wonder if people realize that of the people who are polled, they are in the vast minority OF a minority. Yes, BB users do play games online, but just how many 56k users who game online really look at videogame sites and news updates? I mean, there are around (and this is a very conservative guess) 5 million PC gamers... how many of them really participate in these polls and how many of them respond truthfully? Polls don\'t mean jack and that\'s something people should have learned long ago.
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talk to vennt from GA, I believe he knows.
but it wasn\'t an online poll or anything. They did a survey, I believe it was random emails with questions like do you play games online, what kind of connection do you have? etc.
I just hope MS is successful, I need smooth online all of the time with the best experience possible.
Eric Jacob
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its a shame you wont have it
even broadband is limited by its weakest link
untill you show me a graph, no more than 15% of ALL xbox owners have broadband, which means m$ left 85% of its buyers out in the cold
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let\'s just say this,
X-Boxes future is uncertain.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
let\'s just say this,
X-Boxes future is uncertain.
exactly like the future of PS2 and GCN...who knows...
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PS2 has 30 million+ installed units arouns the world, how can u possibly say the future is uncertain
in the "console race", if one really exists, sony is already sitting at the finish line with a macanudo and a Dos Equis watching ths GC and xbox cheap shot each other for 2nd place
everyone knows sony will dominate the remainder of this generation
now next generation, that may be a gamble
especially if m$ never recoups its losses on the xbox and has to decide to go forward with xbox 2 or not
the shareholders will only let thier stock go down so far
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In short..
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That\'s one smooth animation!
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Originally posted by mm
PS2 has 30 million+ installed units arouns the world, how can u possibly say the future is uncertain
in the "console race", if one really exists, sony is already sitting at the finish line with a macanudo and a Dos Equis watching ths GC and xbox cheap shot each other for 2nd place
everyone knows sony will dominate the remainder of this generation
We have still 4-5 years...and PS2 is everything except infallible...it\'s technically inferior to both XBox and GCN,****ty to develop for and you have to buy add-ons if you want at least "half" of the XBox features...
I\'m with Alteredbeast...once the price will drop,great games will come and the on-line gaming will spread...who knows...what will happen...everyone who thinks MS are doomed is a fool ! My forecast is that Sony won\'t dominate this gen!
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What happens when the PS2 price drops as well? Then what?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
What happens when the PS2 price drops as well? Then what?
I simply made a forecast...I think PS2 is shooting its last cartridge...it\'s only my opinion...don\'t get so offended ps2 fans...
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We have still 4-5 years...and PS2 is everything except infallible...it\'s technically inferior to both XBox and GCN,****ty to develop for and you have to buy add-ons if you want at least "half" of the XBox features...
Half of the features?? LOL, you make it sound as if Xbox has a whole lot of features there. Care to count a few? I can only think of...
mmh...
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Any more? Nah, not at the moment. I\'m sure patches will be a central thing on Xbox later on (boy I hope not), perhaps updates and maybe download extras or whatever. As for now, I can only think of 1 thing Xbox can do thanks to the harddrive that PS2 can\'t. In the future, you\'ll have that add on, but seing to how online gaming is the next big thing and Sony knowing this from the start, I do believe that a lot of people will buy that add-on. That also means those millions of 56k users outthere that won\'t be left out in the cold.
I\'m with Alteredbeast...once the price will drop,great games will come and the on-line gaming will spread...who knows...what will happen...everyone who thinks MS are doomed is a fool ! My forecast is that Sony won\'t dominate this gen!
Prices have already dropped and I am really looking forward to those updated sale numbers. I think Chrono posted them for Japan and it didn\'t show much impact at all. They way things are heading, Xbox is loosing support by a lot of Japanese developers - and makes its future look quite uncertain if you ask me. And on-line gaming.. what ever, although I do hope you realise that that will take some time (also keeping in mind that it is Broadband only).
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Originally posted by BizioEE
I simply made a forecast...I think PS2 is shooting its last cartridge...it\'s only my opinion...don\'t get so offended ps2 fans...
You\'ve been doing that alot lately.. :yawn:
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Rip music into your game
there\'s what, 4-5 games that support this out of the ENTIRE xbox library
its a frikkin gimmick at best
i got tired of waiting 20 minutes for the CD to be ripped so i did it a few times and never again
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Originally posted by BizioEE
We have still 4-5 years...and PS2 is everything except infallible...it\'s technically inferior to both XBox and GCN,****ty to develop for and you have to buy add-ons if you want at least "half" of the XBox features...
I\'m with Alteredbeast...once the price will drop,great games will come and the on-line gaming will spread...who knows...what will happen...everyone who thinks MS are doomed is a fool ! My forecast is that Sony won\'t dominate this gen!
XBox:
-BB out of the box
-HDD out of the box.
-Multitap out of the box.
-Plays video games of all sorts.
-BUY DVD playing capability.
-BUY 56k (maybe, one day) capability.
-BUY \'s\' controller unless your one of the freakish 10%
PS2:
-DVD player out of the box.
-Plays video games of all sorts.
-BUY multitap.
-BUY HDD capability.
-BUY Network (56k+BB one card) capability.
So, the ps2 \'major options\' are more expensive than Xbox, but it\'s not like the xbox brings all sorts of crazy options to the table as you imply.
Also, at the same time, at this point, and any forseeable point in the future, the ps2 already dominates this gen. It\'s STILL outselling GC and Xbox, which means the number sold gap is getting bigger every day. There\'s no realistic possibility of them being surpassed this gen. The others will probably start doing better soon... but they aren\'t going to catch the PS2. Maybe next gen.
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you forgot A/V options
the PS2 has a digital out port
ya gotta pay for it on the xbox
and the lack of 56k on the xbox will SEVERELY limit its users
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Bozco, you aren\'t out of high school yet, nor do you work with selling the 3 major consoles nearly every day. Everyone I have talked to that has mentioned online play with XBox already has bb. That is the cold hard facts. It may be different everywhere else.
The number of people who use bb is way higher than the number of pure subscribers, btw. Think about college students. They play TONS of games and are supplied with a direct line of bb power :)
Eric Jacob
Some good points but the number is still no where near 50%. Oh and I don\'t sell consoles at work??? You first need to know where I work.;)
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Originally posted by fastson
You\'ve been doing that alot lately.. :yawn:
I know...but don\'t get offended...PS2 is only a piece of plastic...get a life:p
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Originally posted by seven
Half of the features?? LOL, you make it sound as if Xbox has a whole lot of features there. Care to count a few? I can only think of...
mmh...
Rip music into your game
I was sure you were the first fool to rise to the bait...it was only a little provocation...it\'s so funny when PS2 fools get so offended...
rip music into your game is not the only ADVANTAGE the XBox will give you...but...what can I expect from a Sony tool like you...
ps: I\'ve never seen a software engineer wasting so much time on a videogame forum...talking a lot of BS crap...:laughing: ...aren\'t you a kid aged 18?
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I was sure you were the first fool to rise to the bait...it was only a little provocation...it\'s so funny when PS2 fools get so offended...
rip music into your game is not the only ADVANTAGE the XBox will give you...but...what can I expect from a Sony tool like you...
Ah, you disappointed me Bizio. I was pretty sure you would have at least found one more advantage for now.. what was that?*cough* wait for E3 *cough* - or was it TGS?
ps: I\'ve never seen a software engineer wasting so much time on a videogame forum...talking a lot of BS crap... ...aren\'t you a kid aged 18?
It\'s not uncommon you know. You have game developers all around posting in different forums. Besides, it\'s entertaining.
18? Yeah... so? What\'s your point?
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Originally posted by seven
It\'s not uncommon you know. You have game developers all around posting in different forums. Besides, it\'s entertaining.
18? Yeah... so? What\'s your point?
BizioEE is jealous because you\'re a software engineer and he\'s just a pizza baker.. :shy:
Like seven said.. There are a lot of developers out there writing on forums.. I know 6 of them.. (on 2 different forums)
:)
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lol, pizza baker
ehhe
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Originally posted by seven
It\'s not uncommon you know. You have game developers all around posting in different forums. Besides, it\'s entertaining.
yes,it\'s entertaining...but I don\'t think you\'re a game dev or a software engineer...you waste to much time on this forum,take it too personally,you\'re not aloof to all these petty "skirmish" like someone who should be busy doing more important things...
...no offence...but I think you\'re a mythomaniac...
...and I\'ll stay with my opinion if you\'ll continue to act like a normal BS member...:)
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Originally posted by fastson
BizioEE is jealous because you\'re a software engineer and he\'s just a pizza baker.. :shy:
Like seven said.. There are a lot of developers out there writing on forums.. I know 6 of them.. (on 2 different forums)
:)
Naah...I\'m an airplane pilot...and I can prove it if you want...me jelaous of a mythomaniacal kid aged 18? you fool muaaawwww:laughing:
If seven is a software engineer fastson is Santa Claus...
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that\'s no problem at all Bizio. You see, the fine thing by these forums are that I could really care less about what each individual thinks of me. I enjoy them for postings and discussing games in common and debates.
Believe what you want though. It\'s not as if I care what you think of me anyway. ;)
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Originally posted by BizioEE
Naah...I\'m an airplane pilot...and I can prove it if you want...me jelaous of a mythomaniacal kid aged 18? you fool muaaawwww:laughing:
If seven is a software engineer fastson is Santa Claus...
Then: Ho ho ho, and nice little kiddies around? Oh only you, Bizio.. You know I cant give presents to trolls!?
Your an airplane pilot? What planes do you fly? Cessna?
Oh.. Dont crash into the buildings btw ;)
*jumps into FF-22*
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Originally posted by fastson
Then: Ho ho ho, and nice little kiddies around? Oh only you, Bizio.. You know I cant give presents to trolls!?
Your an airplane pilot? What planes do you fly? Cessna?
Oh.. Dont crash into the buildings btw ;)
*jumps into FF-22*
well...Cessna 150,172,Piper PA34 and BAe 146...I\'m finishing ATPL course and I\'ll start to work on October at Mistral Air at Ciampino...I\'m not a loser troll like you!
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Originally posted by BizioEE
well...Cessna 150,172,Piper PA34 and BAe 146...I\'m finishing ATPL course and I\'ll start to work on October at Mistral Air at Ciampino...I\'m not a loser troll like you!
Hey.. Im not trying to compare penis sizes.. You started it.. (mm, bob, ryu.. you gotta beleive me.. Im innocent ;))
Im still in school.. Im getting a education.
I think you need to calm down BizioEE.. Btw.. You call people who spend time on forums for loosers? What are you doing here?
Hypocrite.
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sigh, why must you guys ruin a perfectly good console bashing thread