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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: nonamer on April 30, 2002, 12:54:10 PM
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Of course Sony is bigger than Microsoft. But that doesn\'t mean it\'s richer, like everyone here seems to believe. In reality:
Income Statements for Microsoft:
Sales $27.7B (Basically the size of the company)
EBITDA $13.1B (Meanless, basically the earnings before the bills are considered)
Income available to common $6.37B (The amount of money actually made)
Income Statements for Sony:
Sales $59.2B (Bigger than Microsoft\'s, of course, but)
EBITDA $5.71B (Smaller than MS\'s)
Income available to common $72.9M (Much, much, much smaller!)
Also,
Financial Strength for MS:
Current Ratio 4.04 (4 times more assets than liabilities)
Debt/Equity 0 (NO long term debt!)
Total Cash $38.7B (A F---load of cash!)
Financial Strength for Sony
Current Ratio 1.30 (More liabilities per asset)
Debt/Equity 0.50 (Quiet a bit of long term debt!)
Total Cash $6.65B (And a lot less cash!)
Plus,
Market Capitalization for MS $282.9B :thepimp:
Market Capitalization for Sony $50.3B :laughing:
It seems pretty obvious that Microsoft is clearly the richer of the two, and I don\'t know why anyone thinks otherwise.:rolleyes:
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Hmm....thats pretty interesting. But, I can\'t believe some ppl would think Sony is richer than Microsoft...lol.
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well, the xbox has shown us the money means nothing
the conosle can still suck ass and fall flat on its face in europe and japan..
it also shows you that money means nothing about company inteligence
"Project Midway"
Miscaculation of price in europe
Wrong priorities (see japan)
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Who said that Microsoft was poorer?
All I\'ve been hearing is that XBOX is surviving only b/c of its great financial back-up form Microsoft.
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Originally posted by Chrono
well, the xbox has shown us the money means nothing
the conosle can still suck ass and fall flat on its face in europe and japan..
it also shows you that money means nothing about company inteligence
Did I mention Xbox or intelligence even once in my post?!
Then again, this is the console debate forum, so this is expected.:D Anyways, I keep on finding people in this forum who thinks that Sony is richer than MS. Bigger, yes, but definitely not richer, so I posted this to break the "veil of ignorance".
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"Did I mention Xbox or intelligence even once in my post?!"
Well, obviously you geared your post to make it seem that the xbox would be better, but its very obvious that money has done very little to make the xbox "good" or "sell well"
Besides, this is a console debate forum, not a company debate forum... its off topic if your topic is not geared that way
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Great topic:rolleyes:, atleast Chrono tried to relate it to games.
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all I was trying to get at is, money is not everything
Obviously a company needs to have inteligence and a good reputation on top of money.. and also follow the law, unlike microsoft.. and don\'t get me started on the antitrust trial.
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erm who actually cares who is richer????? i just cae what stuf they make etc
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heres a fact you forgot to mention
employees -
m$ - 39 thousand
sony - 182 thousand
i think yer info is either outdated or bunk
sony makes SO many products its sickening
so why do we think think sony is bigger and richer than m$? because they are.
i decided to waste 5 minutes to make you look dumb
go to fortune.com and look at the world list
company rank revenue
sony / 30 / 66,158.4
m$ / 201 / 22,956.0
run along newb
oh and read this article to see what a behemoth sony is
a gorilla named sony (http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?co_id=1246&doc_id=206838&channel=artcol.jhtml&_DARGS=%2Ffragments%2Ffrg_top_story_body.jhtml.1_A&_DAV=artcol.jhtml)
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When comparing two companies of this size, it doesn\'t matter anymore which company is "richer". What is interesting is, how much money is the company making.
Last time I checked, Sony was quite a bit higher than Microsoft.
I think sales also reflect this as you posted:
Sony $59.2B
MS $27.7B
Another thing that I think you should mention is that Microsoft is on a decline, while Sony\'s is increasing. If Microsoft continues its business, I wonder how the future will look like...
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Originally posted by Chrono
well, the xbox has shown us the money means nothing
the conosle can still suck ass and fall flat on its face in europe and japan..
it also shows you that money means nothing about company inteligence
"Project Midway"
Miscaculation of price in europe
Wrong priorities (see japan)
You know what? Thats real stupid to say that. Xbox does not suck. I mean do you get off console bashing. I mean you don\'t give any real facts as to why the console sucks. Because the console does not suck all you say is "xbox suck":rolleyes:
I mean it\'s real annoying hearing you just bash, and bash, for no reason.
And as for the topic. Everyone knows Ms has 20 times more money than sony. And I don\'t recall anyone on the forum saying sony was richer than ms.
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You know what? Thats real stupid to say that. Xbox does not suck. I mean do you get off console bashing. I mean you don\'t give any real facts as to why the console sucks. Because the console does not suck all you say is "xbox suck"
He no where said that "Xbox sucks" - Reread his post. ;)
And as for the topic. Everyone knows Ms has 20 times more money than sony. And I don\'t recall anyone on the forum saying sony was richer than ms.
It\'s not 20 - more like 8 if the published numbers are correct. But for all we know, Sony is huge and I question the credibility of those numbers hence that reason.
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did quddus NOT read my post above?????
anyways, yeah its getting real lame to read "xbox sucks" over and over again
at least state the lack of A+ titles or something
/me runs and hides
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Originally posted by seven
It\'s not 20 - more like 8 if the published numbers are correct. But for all we know, Sony is huge and I question the credibility of those numbers hence that reason.
MS is worth around 450 Billion. Sony is worth 50-60
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Originally posted by mm
did quddus NOT read my post above?????
anyways, yeah its getting real lame to read "xbox sucks" over and over again
at least state the lack of A+ titles or something
/me runs and hides
/finds MM and wacks him. I say give it time more are on the way.
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/me sings
"time is on my side, yes it is!"
welp, show me a link to this, and i\'ll STFU
MS is worth around 450 Billion. Sony is worth 50-60
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Originally posted by QuDDus
MS is worth around 450 Billion. Sony is worth 50-60
Still not 20 - by your numbers, it adds up to 7.5 to 9 times, just as I said above.
Even then, Sony is selling more than MS and the numbers are rising whereas MS\'s is on the decline.
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Who cares who is richer? Thats not the point. The point is who makes higher quality games. And can you please quote someone that implied that Sony is "poorer"? Because I see just two, bold letters on your post BS[/size][/color].
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Wasn\'t Sony on the top 20 of the worlds biggest companies while MS didn\'t even make the list?
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Market caps according to quicken.com:
Microsoft (http://www.quicken.com/investments/quotes/?symbol=MSFT) is now worth $282 billion. (dropped from $363 billion back in December 2001 when we last had this exact same argument -- an 80 billion dollar loss! Ouch.)
Sony (http://www.quicken.com/investments/quotes/?defview=FULL&symbol=SNE) is now worth $49 billion (up from $42 billion back in December 2001)
So Microsoft\'s Market capital is about 5.6 times the amount of Sony\'s right now, compared to just a few months ago when Microsoft had 8.6 times the market capital. Is it just the Xbox that is hurting them so much, or are their other factors in Microsoft losing so much money?
Wasn\'t Sony on the top 20 of the worlds biggest companies while MS didn\'t even make the list?
"Biggest" meaning what exactly? Having the most employees? Making the most profits? If that\'s the case, then that is true. But Microsoft still has more money.
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more "potential" money you mean
theres a difference
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I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread
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Comparing penis size, I see.
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Originally posted by nonamer
It seems pretty obvious that Microsoft is clearly the richer of the two, and I don\'t know why anyone thinks otherwise.:rolleyes:
another reason for people thinking Sony is > M$
is due to their present standing in the console market
PS2
PS2 35 million world wide
Already seen by some to have already won the console "war"
has out sold the compentition at an alarming rate
X Box
X box (Piss poor in Japan and Europe)
Lost 2 of its top brass as they "move on to better things"
Facing legal action with Navida over unpayed parts.
loseing "exclusives" like there is no tommorow.
lost a heck of a lot of money even before the European Panic attack sorry "price cut" 5 weeks after launch :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Who cares who is richer? Thats not the point. The point is who makes higher quality games. And can you please quote someone that implied that Sony is "poorer"? Because I see just two, bold letters on your post BS[/size][/color].
Well Ms or Sony really make high quality games. Sony has what 2 good games. And Ms has about 2.
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Originally posted by ooseven
another reason for people thinking Sony is > M$
is due to their present standing in the console market
PS2
PS2 35 million world wide
Already seen by some to have already won the console "war"
has out sold the compentition at an alarming rate
X Box
X box (Piss poor in Japan and Europe)
Lost 2 of its top brass as they "move on to better things"
Facing legal action with Navida over unpayed parts.
loseing "exclusives" like there is no tommorow.
lost a heck of a lot of money even before the European Panic attack sorry "price cut" 5 weeks after launch :rolleyes:
Bump:sleepy::yawn:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Well Ms or Sony really make high quality games. Sony has what 2 good games. And Ms has about 2.
I do hope you\'re not serious...
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Originally posted by seven
I do hope you\'re not serious...
Don\'t mind him. Quddus has been taking qualudes and gin. ;) Two games? HA! I\'m a semi-serious gamer (I was mroe serious when I had more time for video games) and I can only keep the keepers and not the "rentals".
And hoo boy....now I gotta list my keepers
Ace Combat 4
MGS2
Dynasty Warriors 3
FFX
Shadow of Destiny
ICO
Onimusha
GTA3
GT3
**********
I\'d have more but I ain\'t got that much time to be able to play all the keepers out there.
Games I SHOULD HAVE :
VF4
Grandia II
Silent Hill 2
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Bump:sleepy::yawn:
Quit Spamming QuDDus !
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I believe Quddus is referring to the In-House games
in which case i disagree with him, but he has a point
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I believe Quddus is referring to the In-House games
in which case i disagree with him, but he has a point
ok we should strike that comment from the record...i was wrong
BUT
the rest is still true and very worrying for Microsoft none the less
Navida
the poor Sales
the loss of the top brass to "better" things
all amount up to one great big headake for Bill Gates
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I believe Quddus is referring to the In-House games
in which case i disagree with him, but he has a point
If we\'re talking In-House games, I scratch only 1 up for Halo. And thats going to PC so its not exactly an exclusive.
I think PS2\'s user fanbase goes to show who has the most quality games out. And I do realize that the PS2 had a year headstart to create these quality games. :D
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make that over two years
:)
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Originally posted by IronFist
Market caps according to quicken.com:
[ Is it just the Xbox that is hurting them so much, or are their other factors in Microsoft losing so much money?
The anti-trust suit they have been involved in has certainly eaten a large chunk of change.
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The anti-trust suit they have been involved in has certainly eaten a large chunk of change.
they are involved in
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god, i hope they lose to at least one state in the class action antitrust suit
goodbye evil empire! :evil:
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Originally posted by Chrono
they are involved in
do you people in here split focking hairs over everything????
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do you people in here split focking hairs over everything????
When its comes to MS, yes :D :laughing: :D :laughing: :D
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I believe Quddus is referring to the In-House games
in which case i disagree with him, but he has a point
"claps hand" *Tips hat off to bob. Yes I am talking about in house games.
Yes I am talking about end house games and for both MS and Sony I can only think of two high- quality in house games both companies make.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
"claps hand" *Tips hat off to bob. Yes I am talking about in house games.
Yes I am talking about end house games and for both MS and Sony I can only think of two high- quality in house games both companies make.
care to list those 2 games of each company? I\'m curious...
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Originally posted by mm
heres a fact you forgot to mention
employees -
m$ - 39 thousand
sony - 182 thousand
i think yer info is either outdated or bunk
sony makes SO many products its sickening
so why do we think think sony is bigger and richer than m$? because they are.
i decided to waste 5 minutes to make you look dumb
go to fortune.com and look at the world list
company rank revenue
sony / 30 / 66,158.4
m$ / 201 / 22,956.0
run along newb
oh and read this article to see what a behemoth sony is
a gorilla named sony (http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?co_id=1246&doc_id=206838&channel=artcol.jhtml&_DARGS=%2Ffragments%2Ffrg_top_story_body.jhtml.1_A&_DAV=artcol.jhtml)
Well duh! All you proved is that Sony is bigger than Microsoft, something I did not deny.:rolleyes: But when you\'re looking at actually wealth, you look at profits, cash on hand, debt, etc. Clearly, Microsoft has the edge there. And by the way, my info comes from Yahoo.com, so I\'d doubt it\'s "outdated or bunk."
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I don\'t see what anybody is trying to accomplise here. Your getting no where and nobody gives two ****s.
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I READ THE WHOLE THING AND... FORTUNE MAGAZINE ...TELLS IT ALL I JUST WISH I HAD EITHER ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES MONEY :laughing:
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Originally posted by moovingnstereo1
I READ THE WHOLE THING AND... FORTUNE MAGAZINE ...TELLS IT ALL I JUST WISH I WAS AS POOR AS EITHER OF THEM COMPANIES :snore:
WTF are you talking about?
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why not consider the market a bit, sony makes more products than just the ps2, they got their share of home entertainment, car audio, portable audio and video, even computers.
microsoft does mainly what, software, windows and office programs.(they also have mice and keyboards, and gamepads and such, but thats a small part of what they produce)
when you think about it, sony SHOULD be making more, because they sell a lot of products around the world, but they have more competition than microsoft does, right? you go to buy a tv, there are at least 10 brands to choose from, but if you are in need of a new operating system, most like, you\'re going to choose windows, right? the computer industry grew a lot during the start of microsoft (and i think they had a lot to do with it), so they benefited a lot from it (some say, "monopolized").
well, thats my $0.02 cents.
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X Box
X box (Piss poor in Japan and Europe)
Lost 2 of its top brass as they "move on to better things"
Facing legal action with Navida over unpayed parts.
loseing "exclusives" like there is no tommorow.
lost a heck of a lot of money even before the European Panic attack sorry "price cut" 5 weeks after launch
Why do you care so much about the sales in Japan and Europe? The US is the biggest market and the Xbox is selling very good there. They aren\'t facing legal action with Nvidia over unpayed parts, they are in arbitration over the pricing of the GPU that is in the Xbox. What exclusives are you talking about them losing?
front-page article in the most recent issue of Money Magazine predictably discusses Microsoft\'s financial health, but the report raises some interesting questions. For example, Microsoft currently has a whopping $40 billion in cash or liquid assets and adds more than $1 billion a month to its cash stockpile. To put these numbers into perspective, the report states, that\'s "more cash than Ford, ExxonMobil, and Wal-Mart have combined and nearly four times as much as Intel, the tech company with the next largest cash balance. It is enough to buy the entire airline industry--twice. Or all the gold in Fort Knox, four times over. It is enough to buy 23 space shuttles or every major professional baseball, basketball, football, and hockey team in America." But here\'s the article\'s most amazing disclosure: Microsoft handles its investments with an inhouse software application called--seriously--the Catastrophe Hedging Program 2.5, which derives as much financial return on investments as possible while limiting exposure to changing interest rates. The result, says Money Magazine, is that Microsoft earned a remarkable 9.42 percent on its cash and short-term investments in fiscal 2001, despite that period being one of the worst financial environments in recent memory. The article contains a lot more information, but this report is a short take, not a financial dissertation. If you\'re interested in the truth behind Microsoft\'s success, you must read this fascinating report.
As you can see, MS doesn\'t have any money problems to worry about.
Link (http://money.cnn.com/2002/04/12/pf/agenda_msft/index.htm) to Money article
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Originally posted by inteq
Why do you care so much about the sales in Japan and Europe? The US is the biggest market and the Xbox is selling very good there. They aren\'t facing legal action with Nvidia over unpayed parts, they are in arbitration over the pricing of the GPU that is in the Xbox. What exclusives are you talking about them losing?
i thought Japan was the biggest market...?
anyhoo, Japan + Europe = Bigger than US :)
and in comparison to the other two machines XBox isnt selling all that well.. faily poorly really.. i guess if it keeps going it will be successful, but sails are still on the decline at the moment :)
and i think exclusive games such as Wreckless and others he is referring to (not that i want them in my house no matter what console they are on)
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Why do you care so much about the sales in Japan and Europe? The US is the biggest market and the Xbox is selling very good there. They aren\'t facing legal action with Nvidia over unpayed parts, they are in arbitration over the pricing of the GPU that is in the Xbox. What exclusives are you talking about them losing?
Why?
Because Japan is the most importand market because of the developers. Capcom, Konami, Namco, Sega and heaps more are all japanese developers. They won\'t support or develop for a system that is dead overthere - or for this, the system would have to be very successful everywhere else. Because Xbox is flopping in Japan, developers are already rethinking their "exclusives". Silent Hill 2 is a nice example - it was ported to Xbox with exclusive extended content, but since they aren\'t selling enough, they\'re porting it back to PS2. Metal Gear Solid X? Yeah, if it ever comes that is... by the sales in Japan, why would Konami invest more money in this console? Potential? That potential is certainly showing.
Europe is also important because it is a market that is just as big as both US and Japan and even outsold both of them in a few categories. Microsoft can\'t battle or compete with the market leader by just doing well in one country.
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Unless MS can produce top quality gaming, and on a frequent basis for the X-Box, they will surely melt under the heat of Sony\'s ever growing force.
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I was going to post that Money article. :D
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Originally posted by seven
Why?
Because Japan is the most importand market because of the developers. Capcom, Konami, Namco, Sega and heaps more are all japanese developers. They won\'t support or develop for a system that is dead overthere - or for this, the system would have to be very successful everywhere else. Because Xbox is flopping in Japan, developers are already rethinking their "exclusives". Silent Hill 2 is a nice example - it was ported to Xbox with exclusive extended content, but since they aren\'t selling enough, they\'re porting it back to PS2. Metal Gear Solid X? Yeah, if it ever comes that is... by the sales in Japan, why would Konami invest more money in this console? Potential?
That potential is certainly showing.
Europe is also important because it is a market that is just as big as both US and Japan and even outsold both of them in a few categories. Microsoft can\'t battle or compete with the market leader by just doing well in one country.
So I\'m guessing Tecmo is upset too with the poor sales of DOA3? Oh wait, it has already sold over a million copies. Where do you get your BS info? Developers rethinking their exclusives? Riiight, I\'m sure you were sitting in the meetings with them talking about it. Do you really think the developers are going to give the money back that they were paid for the Xbox exclusivity?
There are a pretty good amount of exclusive games from Japanese companies for Xbox too. From Capcom there is Tekki, Dino Crisis 3, and Brain Box. From Sega there is Shenmue 2, CT3, PDO, HOTD3, TJ&E3, WSB2K3, and Sega GT 2002. But to tell you the truth, Japanese developers are overrated anymore. Sega is the only one that consistently puts out original games, the rest are more bent on making sequel after sequel. European and American developers are making a whole lot more original games right now, but fanboys will never believe this.
and i think exclusive games such as Wreckless and others he is referring to (not that i want them in my house no matter what console they are on)
What others? Wreckless is the only game I know of, and I never knew it was supposed to be exclusive in the first place. It didn\'t have the "Only on Xbox" thing on the cover did it?
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someone posted a picture of it a few months ago
it wasnt on the cover, but it was on a magazine ad
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Originally posted by inteq
So I\'m guessing Tecmo is upset too with the poor sales of DOA3? Oh wait, it has already sold over a million copies. Where do you get your BS info?
That and Halo are the only good games worth buying on Xbox. No wonder they both sold well.
Originally posted by inteq
Developers rethinking their exclusives? Riiight, I\'m sure you were sitting in the meetings with them talking about it. Do you really think the developers are going to give the money back that they were paid for the Xbox exclusivity?
In the long run, developing for PS2 rather than just Xbox is far more lucrative than whatever "exclusive" bonus money they got from MS. It\'s not inconceivable for developers to say, "We could rake in more cash from the PS2 market. Let\'s renegotiate, Mistah Gates."
Originally posted by inteq
There are a pretty good amount of exclusive games from Japanese companies for Xbox too. From Capcom there is Tekki, Dino Crisis 3, and Brain Box. From Sega there is Shenmue 2, CT3, PDO, HOTD3, TJ&E3, WSB2K3, and Sega GT 2002. But to tell you the truth, Japanese developers are overrated anymore. Sega is the only one that consistently puts out original games, the rest are more bent on making sequel after sequel. European and American developers are making a whole lot more original games right now, but fanboys will never believe this.
Original great games? Like what? Pwees tell me. The games you listed....are they not sequels? Yes? Oh....man, I guess you won\'t be getting those games.
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do you really think Sega are happy when they release a game in Japan and it sells only 9000 copies in its first week..? you think they jump for joy and go "THANK GOD AMERICA IS SUCH A HUGE MARKET"... seeing as there are only.. what? 1.5 million XBox\'s in america
Sega = King of bad business decisions
and im sure Tecmo are also sitting back going "whoo, our game sold over a million copies" while hideo kojima sits back and says "wow, 1.8 million in our first week in USA, and lots lots more worldwide.. good thing i released it on a cosole that has a 30 million user base, not 2 million"
:p
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thank you Bobs_Hardware and GmanJoe for pointing out the obvious which he obviously missed. I still have a few words to add on though:
So I\'m guessing Tecmo is upset too with the poor sales of DOA3? Oh wait, it has already sold over a million copies. Where do you get your BS info? Developers rethinking their exclusives? Riiight, I\'m sure you were sitting in the meetings with them talking about it. Do you really think the developers are going to give the money back that they were paid for the Xbox exclusivity?
Why should they give it back? Mostly, exclusivity are only bought on individual titles and usually last only for a certain amount of time. It won\'t stop them to rething their exclusives and put the next row of games on other systems with more potential. I\'m amazed how you still try to argue eventhough it\'s obvious: if you would be a developer from japan, for which console would you develop your game for? Take in mind though, that developing your game for a number of consoles drives up the price and resouces as hell - so the best option is to have it on one system only. At the current rate, you have PS2 with its 30+ million userbase.. and then you have Xbox which sold a bit over 1.5 million in the US and is being outsold by PS2 30/40 to 1 in Japan (your country). It\'s pretty obvious isn\'t?
And incase you didn\'t get the message the first time: Konami\'s updated version of Silent Hill 2 is being shuffled back to PS2. Guess why?
There are a pretty good amount of exclusive games from Japanese companies for Xbox too. From Capcom there is Tekki, Dino Crisis 3, and Brain Box. From Sega there is Shenmue 2, CT3, PDO, HOTD3, TJ&E3, WSB2K3, and Sega GT 2002. But to tell you the truth, Japanese developers are overrated anymore. Sega is the only one that consistently puts out original games, the rest are more bent on making sequel after sequel. European and American developers are making a whole lot more original games right now, but fanboys will never believe this.
To be honest, I\'m amazed at the support Sega is giving to Xbox. They must have lots of faith in that system... But the fact remains, Sega would make more money selling those games on PS2 - no matter what arguement you bring in here.
Personally, I like a lot of european and american games, but games from Japan are right up there. And I doubt this has anything to do with fanboyism. It\'s all personal preference.
What others? Wreckless is the only game I know of, and I never knew it was supposed to be exclusive in the first place. It didn\'t have the "Only on Xbox" thing on the cover did it?
What about Malice? Even if it wasn\'t a exclusive, it was never intended to go to PS2 and was hyped as THE Xbox game to put any other to shame. And now it\'s in development for PS2... go figure why.
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oh and inteq, want more evidence of my BS?
Leave it to EA\'s ever-controversial president John Riccitiello to put the boot. According to El Ricco, by way of Blooomberg, "Microsoft has had its teeth kicked in, in both Europe and Japan". Ouch. This may help explain why EA has been quietly shuffling all of their European Xbox releases further back into the summer for the last few weeks...
Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/24630.html (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/24630.html)
Ouch. That must hurt, and it\'s not by a Japanese developer, it from EA. Go figure...
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Who has more money, Scrooge McDuck or Richy Rich.
Answer: they both have a butt load, McDuck may have more gold stashed away but I rather buy a console made by Richy Rich Inc.
As flip as my analogy is, essentially it\'s what this MS vs Sony question boils down to. Most of the world places MS in the Screwge category.
Sega = King of bad business decisions
And why it\'s so fitting that we should see them giving eXbox such solid support
:laughing:
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Originally posted by seven
oh and inteq, want more evidence of my BS?
Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/24630.html (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/24630.html)
Ouch. That must hurt, and it\'s not by a Japanese developer, it from EA. Go figure...
Re-thinking their exclusives for Xbox? :p
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yeh, i mean MS is used on like every pC:D :D
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Original great games? Like what? Pwees tell me. The games you listed....are they not sequels? Yes? Oh....man, I guess you won\'t be getting those games.
And didn\'t I say Japanese developers keep making sequel after sequel?
That and Halo are the only good games worth buying on Xbox. No wonder they both sold well.
Typical fanyboy statement, but it\'s usually Halo is the only game worth getting. I guess you haven\'t played PGR, Munch, Amped, Rallisport Challenge, JSRF, Bloodwake, GunValkyrie, or UFC: Tapout. All of them are very good and are "Only on Xbox", but I guess that right there probably makes them bad to you, right? Then there are the crossplatform games that are better on Xbox, but again they aren\'t worth buying just because they are on Xbox.
What about Malice? Even if it wasn\'t a exclusive, it was never intended to go to PS2 and was hyped as THE Xbox game to put any other to shame. And now it\'s in development for PS2... go figure why.
Because MS didn\'t want to fork over the dough to make it exclusive. I still don\'t see these exclusives they are losing like there is no tomorrow. Two games that were never branded exclusive in the first place isn\'t much.
do you really think Sega are happy when they release a game in Japan and it sells only 9000 copies in its first week..? you think they jump for joy and go "THANK GOD AMERICA IS SUCH A HUGE MARKET"... seeing as there are only.. what? 1.5 million XBox\'s in america
Sega = King of bad business decisions
and im sure Tecmo are also sitting back going "whoo, our game sold over a million copies" while hideo kojima sits back and says "wow, 1.8 million in our first week in USA, and lots lots more worldwide.. good thing i released it on a cosole that has a 30 million user base, not 2 million"
It really is funny how idiotic these arguments are, Xbox has been out 7 months and you act like it should have the same userbase as PS2. I guess a year and a half ago the developers only should have developed games for DC because it had a larger userbase compared to PS2.
oh and inteq, want more evidence of my BS?
Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/24630.html
Ouch. That must hurt, and it\'s not by a Japanese developer, it from EA. Go figure...
Where does it say the Xbox exclusives aren\'t exclusive anymore? Plus that is from before the price cut, I doubt they\'d have the same thing to say now. Xbox is already getting about every EA game plus the exclusives like Battlefied 1942 and Buffy.
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It really is funny how idiotic these arguments are, Xbox has been out 7 months and you act like it should have the same userbase as PS2. I guess a year and a half ago the developers only should have developed games for DC because it had a larger userbase compared to PS2.
You\'re forgeting one important thing here: Xbox IS NOT selling well. If they had sales that at least would be outselling PS2 at a decent rate, then developers would have no reason to rethink their strageties. The way Xbox is being outsold, and at the rate it\'s still being outsold in Japan after the price drop, doesn\'t make the future look to bright and justifies why developers are bringing their games onto the more successful console(s).
7 Months.. yes.. how many did they sell? And now, see how many PS2 sold in that same time. LOL.
Where does it say the Xbox exclusives aren\'t exclusive anymore? Plus that is from before the price cut, I doubt they\'d have the same thing to say now. Xbox is already getting about every EA game plus the exclusives like Battlefied 1942 and Buffy.
I don\'t know of any exclusives for Xbox from EA in the first place, but EA is supporting PS2 more and the chance that you\'ll see those unanounced games on XBox in the future is little at the rate its selling. EA did shuffle back their release dates on their XBox games... does that ring any bells? hello? That tells me pretty clear that the priority on XBox games went even more down.
Because MS didn\'t want to fork over the dough to make it exclusive. I still don\'t see these exclusives they are losing like there is no tomorrow. Two games that were never branded exclusive in the first place isn\'t much.
Well an important game at that. If Xbox sales would have been better (and I mean really better), then Malice probably wouldn\'t have come out on PS2 at all. Remember, supporting more than one console is quite expensive and since sales our down, it\'s quite logical that they are putting it on another plaform which insures better sales.
Typical fanyboy statement, but it\'s usually Halo is the only game worth getting. I guess you haven\'t played PGR, Munch, Amped, Rallisport Challenge, JSRF, Bloodwake, GunValkyrie, or UFC: Tapout. All of them are very good and are "Only on Xbox", but I guess that right there probably makes them bad to you, right? Then there are the crossplatform games that are better on Xbox, but again they aren\'t worth buying just because they are on Xbox.
You\'re missing his point. By the sales numbers, Halo and DOA3 are the more succesful titles. By judging the sales, quite a lot of people probably feel the same about those games. If you think those other games are just as good - well good for you, but just because one person thinks their great doesn\'t mean they will sell heaps.
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Originally posted by inteq
It really is funny how idiotic these arguments are, Xbox has been out 7 months and you act like it should have the same userbase as PS2. I guess a year and a half ago the developers only should have developed games for DC because it had a larger userbase compared to PS2.
heh, they are idiotic.. because they were just jokes :)
but if you really want to analyse, the PS2 is still expanding over the XBox userbase at a tremendous rate.. Dreamcast was dead, and everyone knew it, now XBox is so far following the same fate.. tho i doubt it will die.. i just cant figure out why Sega are putting these great games out on it which would SURELY sell better on PS2..
oh, just read sevens reply
and please dont assume all PS2 fanboys are the same (although it may seem like it at times) i do not agree with what GManJoe said at all :) i just wanted to make a light-hearted rebuttle..
.. ill let this go for a bit longer, dont know about the other mods tho..
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yeah, how many people told us that the xbox was the "be all, end all" of console gaming
"teh PS2 killah", in other words
:)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
and please dont assume all PS2 fanboys are the same (although it may seem like it at times) i do not agree with what GManJoe said at all :) i just wanted to make a light-hearted rebuttle..
That was a rebuttal? BWAHA! You got the butt part right. That\'s it.
:p
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, how many people told us that the xbox was the "be all, end all" of console gaming
"teh PS2 killah", in other words
:)
lost count
but seeing that the X box is being out sold in the weekly charts by the PSone* in Japan on a regular basis, every morning i wake with a smile on my Face.
*and in some weeks even by the wonderswan
:laughing: "teh PS2 killah" ... LMAO
*edit*
also isn\'t funny that all the said same people never visit this site any more :rolleyes:
hmmm they must be all over at TXB or Xbox 365 moaning about how biased the Japanese gamers are :rolleyes:
and using JUST WAIT TILL **** like there is no tommorow
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
That was a rebuttal? BWAHA! You got the butt part right. That\'s it.
:p
it was only semi-serious..
whereas you.. are an idiot trying to be funny :)
(and failing miserably)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
it was only semi-serious..
whereas you.. are an idiot trying to be funny :)
(and failing miserably)
That\'s why I find you amusing. In fact, I find most village idiots amusing. If you want to know what a rebuttal is, go here http://www.dictionary.com :) English ~can~ be a difficult language, even for Americans! But...you\'re probably attending public school so I can\'t blame it all on your own lack of intelligence.
But if you were to let me train you like I do my dog, you might be a little smarter!
Are you sitting down? Good boy! STAY! Now type something!
Tada! See? Works already!
Bobo....my new pet. I like it this thread even more. :D
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you know whats even funnier, is that you are a grown man, trying to outsmart a teenager, and you still look like an idiot :)
im starting to think you truely did deserve the two stars that Ryu gave you, putting you on the same level as PS2_Girl :laughing: yeah, youre a real popular guy
btw, im in college, and went to a private high school :)
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It was actually Rick I gave two stars to. However Gman, you suck just as much! :D
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well.. well.. well.. dont I look stupid :)
well, obviously i just assumed what you would have given GMan had he been worth your time to talk about in the first place :)
*good cover* :)
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