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Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Kituka on May 01, 2002, 10:56:42 AM
http://forums.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?threadid=89774

At the top of this post.

WOW
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: seven on May 01, 2002, 11:41:22 AM
Not to sound ignorant, but nowhere does it state anywhere that these screens are ingame. The two black borders at the top and bottem let me assume that these are cut-scenes or even more so, prerendered. If they\'re in-game, I\'m impressed, but until E3 we won\'t know for sure.

Judging by the reactions on TXB forums - I hope for their sake that these are in-game screens...
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Blade on May 01, 2002, 11:45:32 AM
They look in-game, and they look like something out of GameCube\'s Star Fox Adventures.

That second shot reeks of SFA..
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: nonamer on May 01, 2002, 12:11:42 PM
Well, if you have been listening to Xbox rumors for the past several months, Panzer Dragoon Orta was suppose to have incredible graphics; well beyond anything seen in a video game yet. Apparently, those rumors are true.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: fastson on May 01, 2002, 12:12:21 PM
Odd resolution.. (for a console game)

I think they are cutscenes.. Hard to tell.
They can be just resized screens (MS likes to do that alot), which gives you a clear picture like those.

Anyways.. Nice.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Kituka on May 01, 2002, 12:42:02 PM
Seven, I understand what you mean. I, though, know for a fact that they are in-game. Reporters would not cry real tears upon seeing the game if it only had great-looking cut-scenes. If that were true, then the weeping heard across the country from players of Squares\' FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, and FFX would be so loud it would drown out everything, including jetliners.

Anyhow, we\'re finally starting to see proof of Xbox\'s vastly superior graphics horsepower. PD Orta is just the tip of the iceberg, and, considering the fact that people that have seen it in motion say it is almost indistinguishable from CG, that is a hell of a reason to be excited!

Blade, I think you\'ve got it mixed up. The original Panzer Dragoon\'s were doing the whole fly-around-huge-environments-and-blow-$@#!-up thing long before Star Fox was. If anything, Panzer Dragoon inspired and was imitated by the Star Fox/SFA team.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Bozco on May 01, 2002, 12:57:57 PM
I\'ll believe its in game when I see it.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: seven on May 01, 2002, 01:08:59 PM
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Seven, I understand what you mean. I, though, know for a fact that they are in-game. Reporters would not cry real tears upon seeing the game if it only had great-looking cut-scenes. If that were true, then the weeping heard across the country from players of Squares\' FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, and FFX would be so loud it would drown out everything, including jetliners.


You can\'t call it a fact just because some reporter broke out in tears. For all we have are two screens and the claim of CVG (did you forget how credible CVG is?) that some journalist broke out in tears. Now I\'m just commenting on the two screens - and they have quite an odd size to be called in-game. Maybe I\'m also a bit oversceptical towards Xbox games - but then again, we\'ve had this before with other games that looked superd to "GT3 killer" and turned out nothing like that. We will see how good this game really looks at E3 I guess - until then, I will hold back further judgement based on those two screens.

BTW: when\'s E3?
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Troglodyte on May 01, 2002, 01:37:49 PM
Yup, those red X\'s sure look purdy.

I never get the X\'s. . . what gives?
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: DirectXbox on May 01, 2002, 01:38:49 PM
This folks, is the reason I bought an Xbox and why I\'m a certified Sega fan*****.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Heretic on May 01, 2002, 01:51:57 PM
I see no reason not to believe those shots are in game

I also can\'t see getting all worked up about them either

Purdy, yes.

E3 starts 5/18?
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: fastson on May 01, 2002, 02:34:47 PM
Original pics..

http://www.ruliweb.com/data/news3/05m/02/xb/p01.jpg
http://www.ruliweb.com/data/news3/05m/02/xb/p02.jpg
(I wont use the IMG tab because it would kill all 56.6kers)

1920x1080
Hhaha.. Why render them at a ridicules high resolution?
Ill tell you why.. They render them at a high res and then downsize them to get a better picture quality.. (This isnt the first time MS has done this.. DoA3, Brutal Force ect)

Thats tampering with pics IMO.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: DirectXbox on May 01, 2002, 02:59:59 PM
PS2 sluts still in denial???

The graphical leap between Xbox and PS2 will stick out with second gen games such as these...2002 will make a believer out of you fastson.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Nu on May 01, 2002, 03:05:18 PM
I think these are dev. kit shots, folks.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Ryu on May 01, 2002, 03:20:06 PM
DXB returns after such a long haitus.  Aww... Did he finally get a reason to return after all the slumping xbox news? ;)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 01, 2002, 04:25:58 PM
those are NOT in game real time shots

nice renders tho
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Blade on May 01, 2002, 04:55:54 PM
Kituka: Star Fox, released April 1993 on the SNES.

Panzer Dragoon, released no earlier than early 1995 on the Saturn. gg!
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 01, 2002, 05:06:54 PM
yeah, the original panzer dragoon was cool on the saturn, yet EXTREMELY linear

always hated rail shooters
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Black Samurai on May 01, 2002, 05:13:13 PM
Personally, I don\'t see why these could not be rendered in real-time on the Xbox.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 01, 2002, 05:19:18 PM
its not a matter of whether or not it "could" be done

we\'re simply saying that those screens are not real time in game shots

m$ is well known for fixing pics,*cough* amped
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: AlteredBeast on May 01, 2002, 05:25:30 PM
They are definetly using the in game engine, I promise that. There is no doubt if they were CG they would better than that. They look good, but not cg good.


Eric Jacob
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: QuDDus on May 01, 2002, 06:13:04 PM
Sometimes it seems like some of you just don\'t want to see anything good ccome out on xbox. I say those screens have to real-time. If they were CG they would look even better, but those are buy far the best in games graphics I have seen yet.

Sega is doing there thing
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 01, 2002, 06:15:15 PM
taking the role of "console whore" away from midway

yep

its not that we dont want to see anything good come out of xbox, we just dont want people to lie to themselves
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: luckee on May 01, 2002, 06:35:49 PM
I am impressed with those screens, but I also do not think they are in game. Think of how many times ANY system advertises a quality no one will ever see. Either way..still looks nice, kinda wish I did\'t sell mi xbox, I loved panzer back in the day.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: inteq on May 01, 2002, 09:12:30 PM
Why not post the pics on here?

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.com.com%2Fgamespot%2Fimages%2F2002%2Fvgnews%2F050102%2Fsega%2Fpanzerdragoon%2Fpanzer_screen001.jpg&hash=2c5ef6140f1bb912d59003dbea976100cb9dd69b)

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.com.com%2Fgamespot%2Fimages%2F2002%2Fvgnews%2F050102%2Fsega%2Fpanzerdragoon%2Fpanzer_screen002.jpg&hash=03a029b60298150e848621606b8b63227a25ed08)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: inteq on May 01, 2002, 09:14:47 PM
4 new pics;

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xboxexclusive.com%2Fscreens%2F%2FPanzer_Dragoon_Orta%2FE3_2002_Screens%2F01.JPG&hash=8564ead671e68fd258f308d4ba3afc8e829d49dc)

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xboxexclusive.com%2Fscreens%2F%2FPanzer_Dragoon_Orta%2FE3_2002_Screens%2F02.JPG&hash=f3da81d45281bf2a15f07cc51a9ee43db0d77aac)

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xboxexclusive.com%2Fscreens%2F%2FPanzer_Dragoon_Orta%2FE3_2002_Screens%2F03.JPG&hash=adb61545e969ed2fe66968a4050013a055edaae9)

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xboxexclusive.com%2Fscreens%2F%2FPanzer_Dragoon_Orta%2FE3_2002_Screens%2F04.JPG&hash=e6fca3df13ba1077944c422512141abb2f0c75ed)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Metal_Gear_Ray on May 01, 2002, 10:24:55 PM
nice, but too bad they will never look that good at 640 x 480 ;)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: inteq on May 01, 2002, 10:55:36 PM
Well the Xbox can display games at 1080i, so it is possible that the game could look like that on an HDTV.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on May 01, 2002, 11:11:09 PM
they look in game to me

very impressive.  the special effects are probably the best ive seen..

the rest of the game is less impressive graphically.. i think most people here are going a bit over the top

but this is just my humble opinion

but its all about the gameplay right?  this means that the game is definately well underway, cant wait until E3
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: G. A. on May 02, 2002, 01:11:19 AM
It looks tight. I might think about getting this game.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 02, 2002, 02:11:06 AM
but does it run at 60 FPS

:)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on May 02, 2002, 02:28:47 AM
its not a FPS so it doesnt need to be

:p

but thats an important question also..

no details about the game have been released, only screen shots.. if its running at 60fps then great.. if they arent, Sega should be ashamed of making graphics this good and sacrificing the FPS
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 02, 2002, 02:35:09 AM
its a ThirdPS  just like max payne

it better run at 60 FPS

only platformers, sports, RPG\'s and puzzle games are allowed less
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: cloud345 on May 02, 2002, 04:39:05 AM
.......DXB........i really cant see how that game is a huge graphical leap from ps2 to X-box.....infact that graphics aint that great just take a look at MGS2. I still think GC has the best graphics out of the 3 systems (RE) By the time RE4 comes out just imagine how it will look.


:)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 02, 2002, 04:53:33 AM
yeah, the graphics for wreckless were stellar, and what did we end up with
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: QuDDus on May 02, 2002, 06:25:40 AM
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, the graphics for wreckless were stellar, and what did we end up with


So your saying PD will have horrible gameplay. I know you have played the previous games come don\'t be so crazy.

And let me say those graphics rock. Best I have seen yet. No reason for ppl to want to shoot down the xbox just because of there person fueds with DXB or something. XBOX has done nothing to you, but bring gamers another great system to play games on.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 02, 2002, 07:00:18 AM
the gameplay in the 1st two PD\'s was stale

rail shooters = teh suk!!!!!!1

whats DXB?
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Nu on May 02, 2002, 07:12:47 AM
The starter of this thread. :)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 02, 2002, 07:21:42 AM
Kituka started this thread, no?
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Riku on May 02, 2002, 08:04:25 AM
What\'s the big deal?  They look really nice but it\'s not a huge leap.  And to who ever thinks they aren\'t ingame, I laugh at your PS2 caused blindness.  It\'s pretty obvious guys...

I bet if I posted Getaway shots every PS2 whore in here would argue they are ingame and nothing else would be heard of...oh wait, that has happened.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: seven on May 02, 2002, 08:24:22 AM
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whats DXB?


DirectXbox, the troll who made a post further up I think...
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Living-In-Clip on May 02, 2002, 09:21:19 AM
Let\'s go over a few things.


1) Those are obviously ingame. Well, let me rephrase. They may not be in-game in the most literal sense , i.e - as in the game in action. However, they are least the game\'s graphic engine. That can be clearly seen.

2) There is a huge leap in quality.Disagree? Well, first off I don\'t see any jaggies, second the textures are bright and not dull as in every PS2 game I can think of (\'cept maybe Jax and Daxter). Even MGS2 stuck to the black and grey color scheme , that almost every other PS2 game uses.

3) The first three PD games rocked. I have full faith in this one.

4) Thank god for Capcom and RE Remake..err..sorry, wrong thread...
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: mm on May 02, 2002, 09:32:47 AM
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They may not be in-game in the most literal sense



i totally agree, this is what ive been saying all thread
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: FatalXception on May 02, 2002, 09:34:14 AM
Why don\'t we all admit we\'re never going to see an unbiased opinion from a gamer.  Face it, it\'s in human nature to have a favorite, and even trying to be fair, people will always defend their favorites.

I sent these in an email to my mother.  She doesn\'t play games, or even really use computer/tv much.  She called said:

"Wow that\'s great.  Is this what you do with your time?  Why don\'t you....."

I\'ll spare you the 15 minute nag. :rolleyes:
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Nu on May 02, 2002, 09:41:05 AM
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Originally posted by mm
Kituka started this thread, no?

... Sure did.

I thought Direct Xbox started it for some reason. 0_o
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Ashford on May 02, 2002, 09:49:22 AM
Whats a NON-rail shooter? Do you mean like Star Wars and flight simulators?

Don\'t they all restrict you to some limited space?

Whatever...
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on May 02, 2002, 09:51:09 AM
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Let\'s go over a few things.


1) Those are obviously ingame. Well, let me rephrase. They may not be in-game in the most literal sense , i.e - as in the game in action. However, they are least the game\'s graphic engine. That can be clearly seen.

2) There is a huge leap in quality.Disagree? Well, first off I don\'t see any jaggies, second the textures are bright and not dull as in every PS2 game I can think of (\'cept maybe Jax and Daxter). Even MGS2 stuck to the black and grey color scheme , that almost every other PS2 game uses.

3) The first three PD games rocked. I have full faith in this one.

4) Thank god for Capcom and RE Remake..err..sorry, wrong thread...


2)  i disagree, first off, i\'d wait for more pics/movies to comment on jaggies.. and second, i dont really think that the textures (especially in Metal Gear Solid 2) are dull (black and grey) for any other reason than that it is the artistic choice of the developers..  i dont think being colorful necessarily adds to the graphics.. if so Mario Sunshine and Kingdom Hearts would be the most impressive games graphically around.

but the special effects are unmatched IMO.. a couple of the pics posted by Inteq look horrible (inside the cave or whatever it is) IMO, except for the special effects, they just look really bad, and a couple of others look like standard PC games (notice the corners and textures on the rocks)

this is just me, but it doesnt seem to be a graphical masterpiece from these pics.. maybe my opinions will change when i see movies..
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Living-In-Clip on May 02, 2002, 10:07:36 AM
I will not argue that the game does have a PC feel to it , graphic wise.. Then again, I think every XBOX game does and we can thank the DirectX API for that, now can\'t we?

As for the rebuttal about the PS2 textures. I don\'t see how you can deny the lack of texture quality in almost every PS2 game. Artistic choice? I don\'t think so. If anything, I think for the most part the PS2 games stick to a dark color scheme to hide weak textures and what not. Just my opinion though.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: DirectXbox on May 02, 2002, 10:13:49 AM
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Originally posted by Ryu
DXB returns after such a long haitus.  Aww... Did he finally get a reason to return after all the slumping xbox news? ;)


Slumping news???  I don\'t pay attention to ignorance.  Anyone who judges a console that has been out less than six months is a presumptous fool.

Plus, I love you guys.  Where else can I find a site with fanboy admins?
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Post by: seven on May 02, 2002, 10:17:59 AM
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As for the rebuttal about the PS2 textures. I don\'t see how you can deny the lack of texture quality in almost every PS2 game. Artistic choice? I don\'t think so. If anything, I think for the most part the PS2 games stick to a dark color scheme to hide weak textures and what not. Just my opinion though.


I don\'t think any of us is denying it - but it\'s not every PS2 game. Texture quality is unfortunately (?) the toughest thing in PS2 development. As you said, Jak and Daxter is one of the games that does not suffer from dull textures - and it\'s probably the most advanced PS2 game yet and the first to really implement dynamic texturing.

As for MGS2. I\'m pretty sure it\'s artisitic choice. After all, that dark and green look does suit the surroundings very well and makes it even more realistic.

I also won\'t deny that the above two screens have very nice textures indeed. As I said, if these are ingame, then I\'m impressed. But I prefer to wait for some actual ingame movies as they can say a lot more than screens...
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: DirectXbox on May 02, 2002, 10:18:22 AM
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Originally posted by mm
its not a matter of whether or not it "could" be done

we\'re simply saying that those screens are not real time in game shots

m$ is well known for fixing pics,*cough* amped


Yeah, you\'re right...

And Amped turns out looking better than the doctored shots.  This is a vicious damn cycle and the same thing was said about DoA3.  I like it though, it\'s a way that Xbox naysayers say, "Damn...those graphics rock!!! I can\'t believe it."

The funny thing is that this game will look ten times better on my 50" Samsung HDTV...just like DoA3 and Amped.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Ashford on May 02, 2002, 10:19:30 AM
Dude, its not ignorance that the causes "slumping XBox news"

Its "slumping XBox sales" that causes "slumping XBox news".

Don\'t be in such denial.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: DirectXbox on May 02, 2002, 10:25:58 AM
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Originally posted by mm
taking the role of "console whore" away from midway

yep

its not that we dont want to see anything good come out of xbox, we just dont want people to lie to themselves


You\'re a Sony slut, MM, and everyone knows this.  You\'ll snap at the Xbox the first chance you get.  Be consistent, please.  Don\'t pretend like you\'re unbiased game player.  It\'s obvious that you play systems, not games.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Terry Bogard on May 02, 2002, 10:28:01 AM
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Originally posted by DirectXbox


You\'re a Sony slut, MM, and everyone knows this.  You\'ll snap at the Xbox the first chance you get.  Be consistent, please.  Don\'t pretend like you\'re unbiased game player.  It\'s obvious that you play systems, not games.



This coming from a Wanna be gamer, I\'d rather take MM\'s word on things, and you should know DXB, that hes a Sega Whore, as he posted SEVERAL times before.  I guess you are in denial about Xbox doing so bad in Japan and Europe? They cut the price so soon, why? Because they are AFRAID of sony.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Heretic on May 02, 2002, 10:29:55 AM
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Originally posted by Rikku

I bet if I posted Getaway shots every PS2 whore in here would argue they are ingame and nothing else would be heard of...oh wait, that has happened.


There is always room to argue unless the host site says point blank all screens are in game.

Also since Rikku mentioned it, so far I\'ve seen no downgrade from early pics of the Getaway to recent in game shots, unlike the backwards progress seen in screens for several xbox games.  



Quote
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Let\'s go over a few things.


1) Those are obviously ingame. Well, let me rephrase. They may not be in-game in the most literal sense , i.e - as in the game in action. However, they are least the game\'s graphic engine. That can be clearly seen

2) There is a huge leap in quality.Disagree? Well, first off I don\'t see any jaggies, second the textures are bright and not dull as in every PS2 game I can think of (\'cept maybe Jax and Daxter). Even MGS2 stuck to the black and grey color scheme , that almost every other PS2 game uses.


The jaggies in screens of VF4 (i.e. -another hot title from Sega ) didn\'t show up either until I saw it running on my own TV. Not horrible or anything (to me), just making the point we can\'t assume anything.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: ooseven on May 02, 2002, 10:32:12 AM
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Originally posted by DirectXbox


You\'re a Sony slut, MM, and everyone knows this.  You\'ll snap at the Xbox the first chance you get.  Be consistent, please.  Don\'t pretend like you\'re unbiased game player.  It\'s obvious that you play systems, not games.


Well there goes a perfectly good thread

you know i would say something witty but its probabily going to be just a waste of my time saying anying seeingthat thisthread will be locked in 3....2....1.....LOCKED :rolleyes:


p.s.

sorry Altered Beast if you are still watching

i had to Spam..... :(

do you still love me :(

Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Riku on May 02, 2002, 10:34:51 AM
Heretic, I\'m just curious as to where you\'ve seen recent pics of The Getaway?  I haven\'t seen anything on it in a good year or so...
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: DirectXbox on May 02, 2002, 10:36:44 AM
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard



This coming from a Wanna be gamer, I\'d rather take MM\'s word on things, and you should know DXB, that hes a Sega Whore, as he posted SEVERAL times before.  I guess you are in denial about Xbox doing so bad in Japan and Europe? They cut the price so soon, why? Because they are AFRAID of sony.


I don\'t live in Japan and I don\'t live in Europe.  The fact that Xbox is selling so "poorly" (although sales have picked up in Europe, Japan and Aus. where Xbox is outselling the PS2) doesn\'t change the fact that I will get to play Project Ego, SW: KOTOR, PDO and Shenmue II.  Unlike you Sony sluts that somehow find safety in numbers I play the console with the best games and sadly that\'s not the PortsSequels2.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Terry Bogard on May 02, 2002, 10:38:50 AM
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Originally posted by DirectXbox


I don\'t live in Japan and I don\'t live in Europe.  The fact that Xbox is selling so "poorly" (although sales have picked up in Europe, Japan and Aus. where Xbox is outselling the PS2) doesn\'t change the fact that I will get to play Project Ego, SW: KOTOR, PDO and Shenmue II.  Unlike you Sony sluts that somehow find safety in numbers I play the console with the best games and sadly that\'s not the PortsSequels2.




*cough*


List me some ports? Morrowmind is coming to PC first, so, its going to Xbox, thats screaming PORT all over it.  


So, list me some ports on PS2 please.


Edit: Oh yeah, enlighten me to what good game you are speaking of that came out recently, because EVERY Xbox that has came out lately, is utter trash, has a very bad blur, or its just a POS game all around, and DON\'T call me a Sony slut DXB, Im still sticking with Dreamcast more then anything even though its dead and so forth.
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Post by: Riku on May 02, 2002, 10:42:21 AM
You can pretty much disregard everything from Terry Bogard and Chrono as they usually don\'t go very far.

Love your sig by the way...those grilled stuft burritos are quite tasty.;)
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Terry Bogard on May 02, 2002, 10:44:50 AM
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Originally posted by Rikku
You can pretty much disregard everything from Terry Bogard and Chrono as they usually don\'t go very far.

Love your sig by the way...those grilled stuft burritos are quite tasty.;)



Rikku,  Disreguard what we say? Oh whatever, DXB has no place here, as to his posts aren\'t intelligent at all, they are just lame flames towards us calling us "sony sluts" and naming the PS2 something other then its original name.  I\'d rather take DXB\'s comments, and disreguard them.  Because, his posts make no sense once so ever.   Hell he can\'t even come up with a decent debate about anything:rolleyes:


So basically DXB, sets himself up for comments making fun of him. Look at his avatarr, and his name under that, you haven\'t been around long enough to know, how and why he got that. He deserves it trust me.
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Post by: ooseven on May 02, 2002, 10:48:20 AM
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Originally posted by DirectXbox


(although sales have picked up in Europe, Japan and Aus. where Xbox is outselling the PS2) .


please for GOD sakes you disapointed me with that thread, i expected greater from you !

look i am going to give you some friendly advice as i know for a fact that there are members in here that will flame over that comment !

look i know you prefer the X box and thing its Greater than PS2 and NGC , but if you want to put your argument across then please do so.

Remember share your VIEWS not PREACH them !

this an\'t no virtual mission for the X box,NGC or PS2 Salvation !

please read Ryu\'s zero tolerance as this will avoid friction between yourself and othe members


anyway

As we all know Sales have far from picked up and both the PS2 and NGC is out selling the X box at an alarming rate.

this is backed up with figures taken from INDEPENDENT sources and complied weekly.

please in the future could you actualy add some information to the thread and maybe just maybe you will have the old Troll picture lifted when you have shown some common sence.
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Riku on May 02, 2002, 10:50:18 AM
Ports...

Unreal, Half-life, Quake, Ecco, MDK2, Crazy Taxi, LeMans Racing just to name a few...there aren\'t that many more btw.

As far as calling every Xbox game utter trash...whatever.  Halo, Rallisport, Wreckless, Max Payne, Munch, Silent Hill, JSRF, Project Gotham are far from trash or pos games.

Opps, every recent game...what recent games?
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: ooseven on May 02, 2002, 10:50:32 AM
oh and sorry to double post ... but i don\'t give a toss anyway....this is to all members...STOP this flame war now

i am intrested in this GAME and don\'t want this thread closed because of a b^tch fight.

please

we need to return the forum back to its Golden DAYS !
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Post by: Terry Bogard on May 02, 2002, 10:58:05 AM
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Originally posted by Rikku
Ports...

Unreal, Half-life, Quake, Ecco, MDK2, Crazy Taxi, LeMans Racing just to name a few...there aren\'t that many more btw.

As far as calling every Xbox game utter trash...whatever.  Halo, Rallisport, Wreckless, Max Payne, Munch, Silent Hill, JSRF, Project Gotham are far from trash or pos games.

Opps, every recent game...what recent games?



Staying away from flaming you but.


Silent Hill- Better textures, ability to turn off that damn filter from the get go, and a bounus scenrio? Those aren\'t good enough reasons to warrent a purchuse, espcially when Maria\'s story is 15 mintues long.  

JSRF-Is just a beefed up veriosn of its DC counterpart, Yeah after playing it, theres clearly no difference, except for better cel shading and so forth, and bigger levels. Its a Sega game though, thats why I like it.

PG is fun, but it gets boring after about 5 races continuosly. I enjoyed it when i first played it, but its not really a game with much replay value.

Munch, I haven\'t played that, because I think Lorne Lanning has his head up M$\'s arse all the time.  He only did it for the money. BTW, I played this one too, and it wasn\'t impressive at all, I prefer Pikmin to it.  

Wreckless- This is the biggest waste of money/time I\'ve ever spent on a game. I\'ve never seen so much blur in my life. Why can\'t they do with out the damn blur effect during gameplay, because, theres no way in hell to not get a headache.


Rallisport is the ONLY one worth mentioning thats even close to being good, but Id rather play Colin MCrae.


*This thread has gone downhill from the get go, so, i hope it goes back to being a CONSOLE DEBATE not a friggin FLAME DEBATE*  

I tried to stay on topic.
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Post by: Ginko on May 02, 2002, 11:00:31 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven
As we all know Sales have far from picked up and both the PS2 and NGC is out selling the X box at an alarming rate.

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I\'d say that\'s a bit exaggerated...alarming? please...PS2 perhaps, but not NGC.

I have yet to see any solid numbers since the price drops...if you know of them I\'d love to see them.
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Post by: DirectXbox on May 02, 2002, 11:03:36 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven


please for GOD sakes you disapointed me with that thread, i expected greater from you !

look i am going to give you some friendly advice as i know for a fact that there are members in here that will flame over that comment !

look i know you prefer the X box and thing its Greater than PS2 and NGC , but if you want to put your argument across then please do so.

Remember share your VIEWS not PREACH them !

this an\'t no virtual mission for the X box,NGC or PS2 Salvation !

please read Ryu\'s zero tolerance as this will avoid friction between yourself and othe members


anyway

As we all know Sales have far from picked up and both the PS2 and NGC is out selling the X box at an alarming rate.

this is backed up with figures taken from INDEPENDENT sources and complied weekly.

please in the future could you actualy add some information to the thread and maybe just maybe you will have the old Troll picture lifted when you have shown some common sence.


I missed you more than anyone else, seven, don\'t you miss me too?

You\'re another PS2 twat that I enjoy jerking around...

However, I didn\'t pull that info out of my ass.
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Post by: Terry Bogard on May 02, 2002, 11:05:11 AM
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Originally posted by DirectXbox


I missed you more than anyone else, seven, don\'t you miss me too?

You\'re another PS2 twat that I enjoy jerking around...

However, I didn\'t pull that info out of my ass.




And yet you go with the calling the mod a name?  Thats pretty low.
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Post by: Ginko on May 02, 2002, 11:08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard





Silent Hill- Better textures, ability to turn off that damn filter from the get go, and a bounus scenrio? Those aren\'t good enough reasons to warrent a purchuse, espcially when Maria\'s story is 15 mintues long.  


And it\'s crap why?

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JSRF-Is just a beefed up veriosn of its DC counterpart, Yeah after playing it, theres clearly no difference, except for better cel shading and so forth, and bigger levels. Its a Sega game though, thats why I like it.


It\'s a sequel.  That\'s evident...it\'s a good game.  

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PG is fun, but it gets boring after about 5 races continuosly. I enjoyed it when i first played it, but its not really a game with much replay value.


I\'d played the whole thing and never got bored.  

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Munch, I haven\'t played that, because I think Lorne Lanning has his head up M$\'s arse all the time.  He only did it for the money. BTW, I played this one too, and it wasn\'t impressive at all, I prefer Pikmin to it.  


They are decidely different games...how can you compare the two.  So you are bias against the game based on the developer?  Lame...


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Wreckless- This is the biggest waste of money/time I\'ve ever spent on a game. I\'ve never seen so much blur in my life. Why can\'t they do with out the damn blur effect during gameplay, because, theres no way in hell to not get a headache.


And it\'s crap why?  You want more blur, play ICO.


I could go off and name flaws of any PS2 game you name...all games have something that could have been different/better.  But they are usually a far cry from trash as you say...
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Post by: Terry Bogard on May 02, 2002, 11:11:20 AM
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Originally posted by Ginko


And it\'s crap why?  You want more blur, play ICO.


I could go off and name flaws of any PS2 game you name...all games have something that could have been different/better.  But they are usually a far cry from trash as you say...



Never played ICO, and don\'t plan on it, I don\'t like those type of games.  


Eh oh well I just said all that because im ENTITLED to say what i want correct?   I still don\'t see any thing worth buying ON Xbox other then Halo/munch, and a select few other games. Oh well

*me goes back to waiting for Buffy to come out on Xbox*
Title: First Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox Screens- In Other Words, Best In-Game Graphics EVER!!!
Post by: Ginko on May 02, 2002, 11:17:22 AM
Yes you are, but to use your opinion as an argumentive piece usually doesn\'t count for anything.

*getting back on topic...

The game looks very good...does anyone know what the gameplay will consist of?  I\'m hoping it\'s like PDS...
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Post by: Heretic on May 02, 2002, 11:29:08 AM
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Originally posted by Rikku
Heretic, I\'m just curious as to where you\'ve seen recent pics of The Getaway?  I haven\'t seen anything on it in a good year or so...


Good thread started by fastson on GT going in main forum here. Seems that Sony is sure to lose a bundle on the game living up to those early screens.

Nothing mind blowing but very nice. I don\'t know how recent the pics are though, just don\'t remember seeing them before...
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Post by: BizioEE on May 02, 2002, 11:45:51 AM
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
They are definetly using the in game engine, I promise that. There is no doubt if they were CG they would better than that. They look good, but not cg good.


Eric Jacob


Can\'t wait for this game !  and I agree with you...it does not look like CG !

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.com.com%2Fgamespot%2Fimages%2F2002%2Fvgnews%2F050102%2Fsega%2Fpanzerdragoon%2Fpanzer_screen002.jpg&hash=03a029b60298150e848621606b8b63227a25ed08)



:eek: :eek:
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Post by: ooseven on May 02, 2002, 12:04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Ginko
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Originally posted by ooseven
As we all know Sales have far from picked up and both the PS2 and NGC is out selling the X box at an alarming rate.

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I\'d say that\'s a bit exaggerated...alarming? please...PS2 perhaps, but not NGC.

I have yet to see any solid numbers since the price drops...if you know of them I\'d love to see them. [/B]


Sorry matey

i stand corrected

i know i was think to myself it sound funny when i was writing it
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Post by: BizioEE on May 02, 2002, 12:16:33 PM
Altered,I see you\'re on-line...I see in your signature Sega Rally 3 as one of most Anticipated games...do you know something? any rumor?
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Post by: Bozco on May 02, 2002, 12:37:04 PM
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Originally posted by DirectXbox
PS2 sluts still in denial???

The graphical leap between Xbox and PS2 will stick out with second gen games such as these...2002 will make a believer out of you fastson.



I thought you would have left by now reject, PS2 is still alive.  GO AWAY.
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Post by: SwifDi on May 02, 2002, 02:38:46 PM
I personally don\'t think they\'re in-game, but if they are, then I\'m very impressed, and not at all surprised because isn\'t this what the X-box is supposed to do?

However definately not Best In-Game Graphics ever, IMO. I still think MGS2 had some pretty jaw-droppers as well as Rogue Leader. I\'ve never played any of the PD series, but this looks like its shaping up to be a good title for the X-box.

And DXB is the most biased fanboy I\'ve ever seen, my index finger is sore from all the scrolling over his ****ty posts. Just full of fan-boyism.
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Post by: 182Ways on May 02, 2002, 03:19:52 PM
I don\'t doubt that they\'re in-game.  It\'s not like the Xbox can\'t handle graphics of that calibur, so why are so many people doubting it?

But on the other hand, I don\'t really understand why some would praise the visuals so much.  The effects (particle, smoke, lighting, etc.) look great, the dragon model is nicely detailed, but outside of that, I don\'t see it as being anything too much better than what I\'ve seen already.  Must be the high resolution that\'s hooking some of you.

Enjoy the game, Xbox owners.  I\'m not at all interested in it, but it should be a decent addition to the console\'s library.
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Post by: mm on May 02, 2002, 04:37:46 PM
i dont see why you guys fall into DXB\'s trap

and i thought trintius was bad

directxbox, is that filthy txb forum slow these days so you gotta slime yer way over here?  or are you so tired of waiting for A+ xbox games?

and for this thread......