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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on May 14, 2002, 03:45:08 AM
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Apparently lezbians are having trouble getting sperm. Apparently sperm donors want to keep their donations from same sex couples.
So instead of you guys dropping all your seed in the shower, why don\'t you go make good use of your talents and help some lezbians out.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1199222a11,FF.html
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Lez be freinds.
Homo you don\'t.
Oldie but a goodie:)
Passed a dike with a kid in her back seat on the way to work today. No shortage here in MN.:(
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I will kill kittens in the shower. If there happens to be lesbians in the sewers....oh well... :p
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My neighbours across the straight, are dykes, and the one of them just popped out twins, a boy and a girl, I was like poor kids.
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poor kids?
i would gladly have traded my angry bitter abusive (divorced) parents for a pair of happy-go-lucky lesbians to raise me with love and compassion
who are yer parents, carol and mike brady?
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Originally posted by mm
poor kids?
i would gladly have traded my angry bitter abusive (divorced) parents for a pair of happy-go-lucky lesbians to raise me with love and compassion
who are yer parents, carol and mike brady?
Believe it or not, I come from a family very similar to the Waltons. We\'re nice to each other, we have meals together, we help each other out....so, anyway, poor kids. Not because their parents are lesbos....but the crap they gotta go through when they go to school.
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what crap?
lesbians are on TV, they are on the radio, they wait on you at the restaurants, they teach the kids at school
look at ellen, or rosie
dont be such homophobes
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....again....
Phobia\'s are FEAR\'S, not dislike/disagreement.
"Homophobe" is an ignorant misnomer.
By telling someone who disagrees with homosexual lifestyles, and agendas to not be "Homophobic", you are basically telling them not to hold to their beliefs. Who the hell are you to tell someone what to believe??
What? Should I tell you to quit being so "Christianphobic", or "Hetrophobic", or even "Naturalphobic" (since homo\'s can\'t naturally have children).
Please. Each person has the right to agree or disagree with behavior and labeling (falsely) those who disagree is plain communistic... Oh wait.. you ARE mm:p
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Originally posted by mm
what crap?
lesbians are on TV, they are on the radio, they wait on you at the restaurants, they teach the kids at school
look at ellen, or rosie
dont be such homophobes
I\'m not talking about their lesbian parents....the crap I\'m talking about is the teasing, insults, snide indirect remarks regarding the kids\'s parents. This is probably what they\'ll go through in school. I\'m not saying that lesbians and gays should not have kids.
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Theres 4 teachers at my school that are butch lesbians, how disgusting. But if two decent lesbians want my sperm all they have to do is put on a show for me.
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The gay and lesbian community is full of nice people. I have no problem with the men and woman, just with the act of homosexuality. I can sit here and spit out debates all day but it all comes down to one question…is it natural? NO. It is not. I say, kill kittens any were you want. I will not help out a community that I cannot agree with.
Now were did I put that girly magazine?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I\'m not talking about their lesbian parents....the crap I\'m talking about is the teasing, insults, snide indirect remarks regarding the kids\'s parents. This is probably what they\'ll go through in school. I\'m not saying that lesbians and gays should not have kids.
but if the two lesbians are particularly good looking.. then during high-school, that kid is gonna have lots of friends wanting to come round after school..
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
but if the two lesbians are particularly good looking.. then during high-school, that kid is gonna have lots of friends wanting to come round after school..
That\'s just it. I doubt the kids will want to entertain his/her friends by letting them have a peep show of their lesbian parents. Thus....more crap they gotta deal with.
Although I\'d sure as hell be interested in seeing two hot lesbos in action! :eek:
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Hahaha... Men.
You all think lezbo sex is a turn on. What you fail to realize is that men can watch a woman have sex (be sexual) with any person place or thing and get turned on. It\'s all about the woman.
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Ehhh...moot points in my opinion. How much do classmates care about a kid\'s parents anyway? Yeah, I can see how rumors will be spread, but kids with homosexual parents aren\'t the only targets of ridicule. There are probably several kids with same-sex parents at any of your schools...and I\'m willing to bet the impact is about zero. I will ALWAYS contend that a child who has been raised to be confident, and comfortable with themselves, will have the least chance of being singled out by bullies or other such asshole children. I guess we shouldn\'t have any poor parents, janitor parents, and the president of the US definitely shouldn\'t be allowed to have kids. Because they might get teased.
As for homosexuality not being "natural." I\'m sooo tired of hearing that lame argument. (It\'s okay project86, I still like you). Look around, look outside and tell me how much of what you see is natural. The plastic in our keyboards and the steel in our cars are going to be around 500 years after we\'re gone. How natural is that? People who say, "It just ain\'t natural" make me think of those cartoon rednecks on King of the Hill.
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Why are people dissing lesbians?, without them my favourite type of porn would not excist. But I hate benders, and thats not going to change. And its not ****ing natural. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Frank.
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Originally posted by Sara
As for homosexuality not being "natural." I\'m sooo tired of hearing that lame argument. (It\'s okay project86, I still like you). Look around, look outside and tell me how much of what you see is natural. The plastic in our keyboards and the steel in our cars are going to be around 500 years after we\'re gone. How natural is that? People who say, "It just ain\'t natural" make me think of those cartoon rednecks on King of the Hill.
Ehehe....two different things. :laughing: Is it natural for a man to mate with goats? (please don\'t argue that one)
What 86 is referring to is Nature. Not man-made things. Nature has given us a set of basic instincts - survive and pro-create. That\'s what he means by natural. Now...the Bolobos Chimpanzees are known to be bi-sexual. So.....procreation is still garranteed. But to be exclusively homosexual....well....I guess those animals don\'t exist anymore. :p
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Originally posted by mm
poor kids?
i would gladly have traded my angry bitter abusive (divorced) parents for a pair of happy-go-lucky lesbians to raise me with love and compassion
who are yer parents, carol and mike brady?
No!!! Jeanette and Bill Johnson. I am not saying they are gonna be bad parents, but the fact that americans in general dont accept this, so they will have to deal with that at school, and other social functions. Thats what I meant by poor kids!!!
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Our body parts were designed (by God, evoloution, whatever..) to "fit" together for the SOLE purpose of procreation. The FUN of it isn\'t at issue.
So, to put two body parts of the same design together is not natural. Meaning --not as nature intended--
If you think that logic is "redneck"( :rolleyes: ) that\'s your problem.
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Originally posted by Sara
As for homosexuality not being "natural." I\'m sooo tired of hearing that lame argument. (It\'s okay project86, I still like you). Look around, look outside and tell me how much of what you see is natural. The plastic in our keyboards and the steel in our cars are going to be around 500 years after we\'re gone. How natural is that? People who say, "It just ain\'t natural" make me think of those cartoon rednecks on King of the Hill.
This is what is wrong with our country (US). No more black and white. No right and wrong. Everything is OK as long as it feels good. Hmm, how natural is it that two lesbians can\'t have kids because, well, you know why.
It\'s just a fact that a child does better with a mommy and a daddy, and if that offends some, who cares.
We need to do what is right, not what the vocal minority says is right.
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I\'m not trying to tell anyone that homosexuality is natural or un-natural. I\'m just wondering why people use that argument when in fact, not much of our lives are remotely natural anymore. If something is declared "unnatural", does that make it wrong?
If you really believe in Adam and Eve, then incest must be NATURAL, huh?
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Why do we have to make this so complicated. It\'s not natural. Now I will say right now that I think it\'s wrong, but that\'s my opinion. I take people as I meet them and I don\'t ask if they are gay or not.
If you push me and want my opinion I will let it be known.
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Originally posted by Sara
I\'m not trying to tell anyone that homosexuality is natural or un-natural. I\'m just wondering why people use that argument when in fact, not much of our lives are remotely natural anymore. If something is declared "unnatural", does that make it wrong?
If you really believe in Adam and Eve, then incest must be NATURAL, huh?
They weren\'t brothers and sisters, if thats what you think. And their children went off to other tribes of people who were not from Adam or Eve.
BTW, wolf packs and lion pride are known to inbreed.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
They weren\'t brothers and sisters, if thats what you think. And their children went off to other tribes of people who were not from Adam or Eve.
i thought adam and eve were supposed to be the first 2 people to ever walk the earth.
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Normally I don\'t use the "natural" argument, but when homophobe is thrown in my face, I respond in kind...
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Originally posted by CygnusXI
....again....
Phobia\'s are FEAR\'S, not dislike/disagreement.
"Homophobe" is an ignorant misnomer.
By telling someone who disagrees with homosexual lifestyles, and agendas to not be "Homophobic", you are basically telling them not to hold to their beliefs. Who the hell are you to tell someone what to believe??
What? Should I tell you to quit being so "Christianphobic", or "Hetrophobic", or even "Naturalphobic" (since homo\'s can\'t naturally have children).
Please. Each person has the right to agree or disagree with behavior and labeling (falsely) those who disagree is plain communistic... Oh wait.. you ARE mm:p
Ironic. You call a commonly used phrase ignorant, and yet I find this to be easily the most ignorant post in this topic.
You ask who the hell someone else is to tell someone what to believe. Well who the hell are you to tell people how to live their lives? Being homophobic (for lack of a better term), is a belief. One very similar to racism...
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Not so fast lezbo!!!
ah a phrase usualy shouted at the TV Screen when Videoholic is watching one of his limited edition "educational" DVD\'s ;)
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well if these lezbos that want my spunk, would put on a show for me i would love to give them soemthing
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Originally posted by Ace
Why do we have to make this so complicated. It\'s not natural. Now I will say right now that I think it\'s wrong, but that\'s my opinion. I take people as I meet them and I don\'t ask if they are gay or not.
If you push me and want my opinion I will let it be known.
Every gay person I\'ve ever known did not choose to be that way. They were born that way, and simply feel an attraction to the same sex every bit as strongly as you do for the opposite sex. How can you say it\'s not natural if they were born that way? It is the ultimate in unthinking arrogance to dismiss someone as "not natural" because they\'re different from you.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Every gay person I\'ve ever known did not choose to be that way. They were born that way, and simply feel an attraction to the same sex every bit as strongly as you do for the opposite sex. How can you say it\'s not natural if they were born that way? It is the ultimate in unthinking arrogance to dismiss someone as "not natural" because they\'re different from you.
My thoughts exactly. Thank you for putting it like that...
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Do not take offense if someone in stating the way things are. It\'s not natural and any clear thinking person will say the same thing.
As I said, I am not going to sugar coat the way I feel.
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Tell me though, in forming your opinion, have you ever consulted those you are forming an opinion on? If you didn\'t ask a gay person why they are gay, and try to understand it for yourself, then you are speaking from a place of ignorance.
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I want to say that i dont have any thing against lesbians but lets be real god never made room for that lifestyle jesus died on the cross so we could live in freedom i cant judge anyone but god willuntill then i will give my personal opinion i feel it is wronfg for gay couples to adopt children its selfish and self centered
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I don\'t think I need to have a sit down and discuss why someone is gay to have the opinion that it is not natural.
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Originally posted by rage_42
I want to say that i dont have any thing against lesbians but lets be real god never made room for that lifestyle jesus died on the cross so we could live in freedom i cant judge anyone but god willuntill then i will give my personal opinion i feel it is wronfg for gay couples to adopt children its selfish and self centered
Christ...
How is it at all selfish and self centered?
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Originally posted by Ace
I don\'t think I need to have a sit down and discuss why someone is gay to have the opinion that it is not natural.
But how can you really know what you\'re talking about unless you hear from those who would know the situation best?
Clearly it isn\'t as simple as you make it out to be. If it was, then people wouldn\'t be so split on it.
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Well if you consider that a child should have a mother and a father, as nature intends it to be, I guess you could see it as being self centered.
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Once again, do you know anyone who was raised by a gay couple? Do you have any statistics you are basing this on, any testimonies? No. You are making assumptions, and false ones at that. How does being gay makes someone an unfit parent?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
But how can you really know what you\'re talking about unless you hear from those who would know the situation best?
Clearly it isn\'t as simple as you make it out to be. If it was, then people wouldn\'t be so split on it.
This is where I think we have to start getting back to basics. If we see something and it is wrong then we should say so.
Ace
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Having a gut feeling on something being right or wrong is one thing. Those are based on assumptions. This one happens to be wrong. Yes, I am telling you your beliefs are wrong, the same way you are saying other peoples life styles are wrong, when you really know very little about what those life styles are about.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Once again, do you know anyone who was raised by a gay couple? Do you have any statistics you are basing this on, any testimonies? No. You are making assumptions, and false ones at that.
I have not done the reasearch myself but I will try and dig up some links that explain my side of the story.
How could you say that the assumption of a a family that has a mother and a father is not the best way for a child to grow up?
Ace
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Why does it matter what sex the parents are? I believe that as long as they are good parents who love and support their children, it makes no difference.
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Originally posted by Sara
I\'m not trying to tell anyone that homosexuality is natural or un-natural. I\'m just wondering why people use that argument when in fact, not much of our lives are remotely natural anymore. If something is declared "unnatural", does that make it wrong?
Those are way two different kinds of natural. Homosexuality was never meant to be. We are made to reproduce and two of the same part don\'t fit together. Its like a little kids toy, you don\'t try to jam the squares in the circles spot, its not right.
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Hmm, I find it kind of sad that we can\'t see the value of a normal family.
If there are two couples one gay and one straight that will love the child which would you think is better for the child?
Ace
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I don\'t see how it is any different.
And homosexuality is natural. People are born that way, they don\'t become gay or decide to be gay. How is that unnatural?
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Originally posted by Ace
Hmm, I find it kind of sad that we can\'t see the value of a normal family.
If there are two couples one gay and one straight that will love the child which would you think is better for the child?
Ace
I couldn\'t tell you based on that information. However, at least the gay one would raise the child with an open mind...
Children of gay people do not get any worse parenting than those of straight people. It has no ill effects that I\'ve seen.
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If I had a foot growing out of my head when I was born would that be natural ? I don\'t think so. It is not what we expect to happen.
Ace
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Who is to say what is natural and what is not? We are one of the only two species on Earth who can take pleasure from sex. If anything, that makes us the oddballs in the whole food chain. What we choose to do with our lives is not the business of anyone else and to judge those based on how they live their lives is to deprive this world of its variety. Variety is the spice of life afterall and to take it away would make us all a bunch of drones where city life would be as unappealing as licking radioactive slime off a sewer grate.
People have the right to live how they choose and if what we invent allows those who live in contradicition to what is "natural" do what they never could before, then so be it. People want kids, people want houses, people want to live freely. Who are any of you to arbitralily deny anyone children simply because how they live is not "natural?" I\'m sure many of you enjoy sex in a number of different ways with your significant other... does that mean we should burn them all at the stake since what they do is not the natural church goer sex that it should be? Please, this is ludicrous.
As for me donating sperm, that all depends. The parents lifestyle may affect the child, but it would be even more damaging if the parents were abusive...
Coredweller nailed it on the head... The homosexual people I have talked to all say they were just born that way. It had nothing to do with choice or preference at all. They can\'t just turn it off like a switch. We\'re not vulcan afterall.
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Originally posted by Ace
Do not take offense if someone in stating the way things are. It\'s not natural and any clear thinking person will say the same thing.
As I said, I am not going to sugar coat the way I feel.
I personally think it\'s lame to put forward a belief, and then rely on abstract arguments like "it\'s self evident that it\'s not natural" and "any right thinking / clear thinking person would agree." If it\'s your belief, just state it as such, and leave the unsupportable arguments out. Those kind of statements are distasteful because they\'re exactly like the illogical arguments the Nazis used to claim that jews were inferior.
Just use your head, and think before you write stuff like this. If you have a real, supportable, reasonable argument for why homosexuality is "wrong" (and that\'s what you said earlier), then post it here. Don\'t try to claim some higher authority by saying that it\'s "not natural" when really it\'s just your baseless opinion.
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Thats not by choice though, its a genetics defect. Being gay isn\'t a defect, its a choice.
YOU AREN\'T BORN GAY
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However, at least the gay one would raise the child with an open mind...
How could you possibly know this. The gay couple could be racist. Who knows. It still does not deter my opinion that having a mother and a father is a better way to raise a child.
Ace
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We got some over the edge Catholic\'s here how wonderful....
being homosexual isn\'t a bad thing and they can\'t control it, its in there friggen nature
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YOU AREN\'T BORN GAY
Prove it.
How could you possibly know this. The gay couple could be racist. Who knows. It still does not deter my opinion that having a mother and a father is a better way to raise a child.
Ever seen American Beauty? Sure, it\'s a movie, but that story is more common then you think. People enjoyed it because it\'s a true depiction of what happens in homes today. All because it doesn\'t happen in yours doesn\'t mean it isn\'t happening.
And Ace, if you won\'t even talk to people who are gay, then don\'t make any assumptions at all. I\'d tell you not to knock it till you tried it, but who knows.. you just might like it. What a shocker that would be.
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Hmm, calling me a nazi is real nice. I don\'t think I have been rude in any way. I am using the word natural as it is written in the dictionary.
You can feel all self rightous about how liberal you are and there is no such thing as right and wrong but do not call me a nazi for disagreeing with your opinion.
Ace
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Originally posted by Bozco
Thats not by choice though, its a genetics defect. Being gay isn\'t a defect, its a choice.
YOU AREN\'T BORN GAY
How would you know? Are you gay? Every gay person I\'ve spoken to has said they were born that way.
Originally posted by Bozco
How could you possibly know this. The gay couple could be racist. Who knows. It still does not deter my opinion that having a mother and a father is a better way to raise a child.
Ok, well then they\'ll be more open minded on at least one subject. Better?
Oh, and your agruements...it\'s not natural, it\'s self evident, it\'s what god intended...those are all the basis of almost every racist arguement I\'ve heard. And your arguement it no better than any of those.
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How do you know that I have never talked to a gay person?
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Originally posted by Ace
Hmm, calling me a nazi is real nice. I don\'t think I have been rude in any way. I am using the word natural as it is written in the dictionary.
You can feel all self rightous about how liberal you are and there is no such thing as right and wrong but do not call me a nazi for disagreeing with your opinion.
Ace
People are simply pointing out how your arguement is very similar to how the nazi\'s argued that jews were bad people. The people pointing this out are right.
And Nazi\'s did also persecute gays you know. And when they did, it was using basically what you are arguing.
Well, at least you\'re in good company.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Ok, well then they\'ll be more open minded on at least one subject. Better?
Oh, and your agruements...it\'s not natural, it\'s self evident, it\'s what god intended...those are all the basis of almost every racist arguement I\'ve heard. And your arguement it no better than any of those.
Ok, just to let you know your second quote has my name as the poster but I never posted it.;) It was someone else.
Prove it.
Prove that you are. From what I\'ve seen and how being gay is I think you aren\'t born gay. How the hell would personal preference be something your born with.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Ok, just to let you know your second quote has my name as the poster but I never posted it.;) It was someone else.
lol, sorry. I never was good at formatting those quotes...
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Where have I stated that I want persecute gays? I said it was my opinion that it is wrong. I still say it\'s not natural and if you don\'t like the word give me a better one to use.
Ace
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Originally posted by Chumpay
We got some over the edge Catholic\'s here how wonderful....
being homosexual isn\'t a bad thing and they can\'t control it, its in there friggen nature
I could be an athiest. Tell me how this comes into play with what has been said so far?
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
Where have I stated that I want persecute gays? I said it was my opinion that it is wrong. I still say it\'s not natural and if you don\'t like the word give me a better one to use.
Ace
It\'s not the word I don\'t like, it\'s the belief
And I\'m not saying you want to persecute gays. But if someone is racist, but doesn\'t do anything about it, does that make it right? This is no different. Not at all.
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Prove that you are. From what I\'ve seen and how being gay is I think you aren\'t born gay. How the hell would personal preference be something your born with.
THe people who are say that they were born that way. What more proof do I need when it comes straight from those who live the way we are discussing?
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From what I\'ve seen and how being gay is I think you aren\'t born gay. How the hell would personal preference be something your born with.
Actually, some believe personal preferences are somewhat predetermined by your genes. This is evident in studies of seperated-at-birth identical twins.
Which would mean that our personal preferences are indeed somewhat controlled by our genes.
But that\'s a whole other argument.
Think of how our genes automatically make it so we\'re meant to prefer the opposite sex. What if some sort of fault in this led to a person holding a different preference? There must be some sort of natural reason for our minds automatic preference of women, could there not be a natural reason why some prefer men?
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Originally posted by Ace
Hmm, calling me a nazi is real nice. I don\'t think I have been rude in any way. I am using the word natural as it is written in the dictionary.
You can feel all self rightous about how liberal you are and there is no such thing as right and wrong but do not call me a nazi for disagreeing with your opinion.
Ace
I didn\'t call you a nazi. Read my post again.
Bozco, If you\'re right that being gay is a personal preference, then being heterosexual must be a personal preference too. Do you feel that you made a choice at some time in your life to be heterosexual, and that you might some day be talked out of it? Do you wonder if you might one day wake up and smack your head and say... what the hell I\'ve been wrong all along! I really like guys! No? Didn\'t think so. It\'s the same way with gay people. Just try to put yourself in their shoes and imagine it for a moment.
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You know, I don\'t see this as the same thing as being racist. My belief that a mother and a father is better for a child is not even close to being the same thing.
If some on this board can\'t see that then what can I do. I certainly wouldn\'t call them Nazi like.
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You guys did put up good points to think about but I still am gonna think how I will. Just remember this "We are made to reproduce and two of the same part don\'t fit together. Its like a little kids toy, you don\'t try to jam the squares in the circles spot, its not right."
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Originally posted by Ace
You know, I don\'t see this as the same thing as being racist. My belief that a mother and a father is better for a child is not even close to being the same thing.
If some on this board can\'t see that then what can I do. I certainly wouldn\'t call them Nazi like.
It is the same thing as saying a black couple would be worse parents, or a jewish couple.
And how can even you not see that until you talk to the people who have been raised by gay parents, you are speaking from an ignorant point of view.
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I didn\'t call you a nazi. Read my post again.
No you didn\'t, but you were inferring it.
I guess will have to agree to disagree. I would just think twice before I would throw around the Nazi tag when someone disagrees with your point of view.
shockwaves,
No it\'s not. You really can\'t see the value of a two parent family that consists of a mother and a father?
ace
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Originally posted by Ace
shockwaves,
No it\'s not. You really can\'t see the value of a two parent family that consists of a mother and a father?
ace
No, I really don\'t. Could you explain it to me without using the words "common sense"?
edit- post #500! woo!
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I think the people that think its wrong for homosexual parents is wrong. Good parents are good parents. No doubt about it. I may not agree with homosexuality but its not like I hate them. People will always be different.
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Originally posted by Ace
I could be an athiest. Tell me how this comes into play with what has been said so far?
Ace
But I never said you were or weren\'t anything, and over the edge catholics hate homosexuality, and I was making a assumption and comparing Ace deep breathes in and out
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Yeah, you probably shouldn\'t have made that assumption
Bozco:
I can respect that position. People will always be different and have differing opinions. That\'s not SO bad though if people can just let eachother live their lives.
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Apparently not, but all this is like it and a lot like eminem\'s old music
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Again, I don\'t think what I have said should be taken as I hate gays.
If you don\'t see that a mother and a father is best for a child then I will not even try. What\'s the sense.
I never said an abusive family would be better than a gay couple. I just think there are plenty of couples (mother and father) that would be better for the child. Sorry.
Gee this is fun. Maybe an abortion thread would spice things up a little around here.
Ace
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Yeah, but you did say that they shouldn\'t be parents.
And seriously, I don\'t understand why a mom and dad is better than homosexual parents. Would you attempt to explain it?
(by the way, I\'m pro-choice :))
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Originally posted by Ace
No you didn\'t, but you were inferring it.
I guess will have to agree to disagree. I would just think twice before I would throw around the Nazi tag when someone disagrees with your point of view.
I stand by what I wrote. I was criticizing the argument you use to support your view, and pointing out correctly that it\'s the same argument the nazis used. If you\'re uncomfortable with that, maybe you should consider coming up with a supportable valid argument.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
(by the way, I\'m pro-choice :))
Don\'t even bring that up
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Originally posted by Bozco
Don\'t even bring that up
lol, sorry :D
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Coredweller,
Whatever. It\'s a common ploy these days to call someone racist, a Nazi, or whatever if what\'s being said is unpalatable to their views.
I grow weary of this subject.
Ace
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But in this case, it is a very valid comparison. Being racist is not any different from being homophobic. You are against people you don\'t even know because of something they can\'t control.
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Did not say I was against them.
Oh, btw, just because you keep saying it\'s a valid comparison doesn\'t make it so.
Ace
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Poor kids is damn right, actually. Yes, the same-sex parents can be full of love, but society will tie in as well, and we all know that society is a *****. Plain and simple.
And porn is underrated.
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Originally posted by Ace
Did not say I was against them.
Oh, btw, just because you keep saying it\'s a valid comparison doesn\'t make it so.
Ace
You are against them having children though, and you said that it\'s unnatural. I could find more you said, but I don\'t feel like looking through stuff.
And Vapor Snake, if you\'re saying that gays shouldn\'t be parents because society will make it hard on the children, then I can kind of see that. They should still be able to be parents though. I\'m sure it\'s not as bad as you think.
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No, I am against them adopting children and I believe, I repeat, I believe that a mother and father would be better for the child.
Call it a gut feeling, ignorance, whatever, it\'s my opinion and that\'s that.
Ace
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The relationship could also enforce the children\'s belief of homosexuality, and the heterosexual portion of society would reject them, thus the children would most likely turn into homosexuals. Then a pyramid scheme of homosexuals would be created until the day you get made fun of for being a heterosexual...
Guy1: Dang, check out her ass...
Guy2: Ugh, f**king hetero!
Strange, huh?
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Oh, come on. It\'s not like that at all.
First of all, once again, you don\'t become gay. You are born gay. Who your parents are would have nothing to do with that.
Besides, it doesn\'t work like that really. At least not from what I\'ve seen in kids with gay parents.
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I think he was joking.
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yeah, I figured.
Still though...
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You are born gay.
Something unproved. We don\'t know this.
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But any gay person will tell you it\'s what happened with them. They should know best.
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This is all getting kind of funny considering the title of this thread.
Ace
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Even they don\'t know that.
But I guess I was just born liking Fanta, playing videogames, and playing basketball.....
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Yeah, I noticed that too...
oh well, I\'m done arguing for now. We\'re just going in circles now anyway.
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YAY HOMO\'S!!!
All the many encounters I have had with gay folk has been quite entertaining. I say bang who you want!!!
ANd screw the Bi-sexual people those are the ones that need a talking too. Also your parents and society that tell us what is "normal". These are the people that try to define the normal family unit. Obviously there is a flaw in that description when the divorse rate is 50%. JESUS!! that\'s it, its his fault and all those damn Catholics.
The age old saying that "it takes a village to raise a child" is timeless. Also very true. Parents can be bad or good no matter what sex they prefer .
Kill em\' all and lets start fresh. I\'M THE QUEEN!!! And I\'m declaring everyone insane...
beer anyone??
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Originally posted by mm
who are yer parents, carol and mike brady?
Mike Brady was a gaylord.
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Would a mother and a father are better for a child than a grandparent? Or maybe an aunt and an uncle? Or maybe two spinster aunts?
Families come in all different shapes and sizes. Hell, I would rather see a child get adopted by any responsible person than to see that kid grow up in an orphanage without the love he or she needs.
Every kid faces bullies and name-calling at some point in their lives. We can\'t stop that. Parents are here to give comfort and teach the kids how to face the world. A parent is there for guidance. There have been so many stories about how kids turn out so different from their parents. I\'m sure everyone here can say that they are like their parents in some way and not in others. The point is, a kid is not their parent; they grow up with their own unique personality.
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I guess if you want to keep creating horrendous conditions for this hypothetical child then yes, a loving person of whatever shape would be better for that child.
I just think a mother and a father is best.
Ace
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No one is born gay. That\'s absurd. Two of my friends used to go out back in 8th grade, but they broke up. She told us this year that she had become a lesbian!!!! She wasn\'t before, and she wasn\'t born that way. It\'s a decision, and an incredibly weird and stupid one at that.
BTW, she\'s an identical twin, and her twin isn\'t a lesbian either. (I wanna go out w/ her, but I\'m too shy to ask!! BAH!)
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You are born being gay. Thinking otherwise is what is absurd. Could you see yourself possibly choosing to be with the same sex?
Your friend is likely just mixed up and confused. Ask her 10 years down the road, and see what she says about when she "became" a lesbian.
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You will soon be deemed a Nazi for spouting your opinion.
Ace
P.S. I keep promising myself not to get involved in these types of topics.
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I\'m not gonna call him a nazi for that. He said nothing at all anti homosexual in his post. He simply disagreed with how one comes to be homosexual. There\'s nothing wrong with that.
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1. I didn\'t call you a Nazi.
2. Playing the victimized martyr is no substitute for a cogent argument.
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I knew that would get ya going. Sorry. ;)
I am opting out of this because I don\'t want to make enimies over something I can\'t change on a message board.
It\'s been fun though and interesting.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
I am opting out of this because I don\'t want to make enimies over something I can\'t change on a message board.
With me at least, you don\'t have to worry about that. I would never take this arguement outside of this topic. I know people have different opinions on subjects, and just because we disagree on this one doesn\'t mean I will respect you any less in your other posts. I just enjoy arguing for issues I feel strongly about, that\'s all.
If you were under the impression that I really didn\'t like you or something because of the arguement we\'ve been having, I\'m sorry. You\'ll find it takes a hell of a lot more than this to truely piss me off.
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I appreciate that. I have been in a few of these types of threads on other boards and it can get kind of ugly.
Ace
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Originally posted by DAISY DUKE
YAY HOMO\'S!!!
All the many encounters I have had with gay folk has been quite entertaining. I say bang who you want!!!
ANd screw the Bi-sexual people those are the ones that need a talking too. Also your parents and society that tell us what is "normal". These are the people that try to define the normal family unit. Obviously there is a flaw in that description when the divorse rate is 50%. JESUS!! that\'s it, its his fault and all those damn Catholics.
The age old saying that "it takes a village to raise a child" is timeless. Also very true. Parents can be bad or good no matter what sex they prefer .
Kill em\' all and lets start fresh. I\'M THE QUEEN!!! And I\'m declaring everyone insane...
beer anyone??
+OFF TOPIC+
(This is a dude. I know it. I won\'t be fooled.)
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I certainly have no hard feelings about this dumb topic. I\'ve been around long enough to know there are some things you can\'t change people\'s minds about. That\'s why I refrain from discussing this stuff in real life. It just seems easier to get involved in it over the impersonal internet.
I actually remembered yesterday that you were one of the small number of guitar players on this forum, so that made me regret possibly pissing you off. I hope you aren\'t permanently pissed.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I certainly have no hard feelings about this dumb topic. I\'ve been around long enough to know there are some things you can\'t change people\'s minds about. That\'s why I refrain from discussing this stuff in real life. It just seems easier to get involved in it over the impersonal internet.
I\'m just the opposite actually. I\'d rather discuss this stuff in real life. I feel I can express myself better that way. Oh well.
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No hard feelings here. Some of the most heated arguments have been between me and my friends about social issues.
Sometimes I just like to mix it it up. :)
Ace
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For me, it\'s a welcome change. My arguements are usually not centered on social issues, but rather on political ones. Oh, and sports...mostly sports :)
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Go sports... :D
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You are born gay, it is in your genes
Ever seen a male dog wanna hump a male dog? No? i did, and dogs don\'t fukk for fun, nor are they comparable to human intelligence, therefore you are born that "way".
Who gives a fukk? How many of you are so sexually insecure to be intimidated by a lezbo/or homo? :laughing:
Half the people in the bible were gay.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
For me, it\'s a welcome change. My arguements are usually not centered on social issues, but rather on political ones. Oh, and sports...mostly sports :)
hey just relized theres more then one person from massachusetts here sides me
and yes sports thats all me and shockwaves argue about....cuz the yankee\'s s*** you see Orlando Hernandaz tonight? God he s***ed
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And when was the last time your town won the series?
Just a friendly question :)
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Don\'t look at me about that one....this is the year though I can feel it in my....wait thats the wrong feeling but I think they\'ll do it this year
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You just never know what thread is going to take off and which one will just fester.
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This whole thing is ridiculous....
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Daisy you will learn that threads with woman, god, lezbos, ragging on racer always attract attention.
So if you have a topic that you want people to look at just throw at the end of it, "and japanese porn" and you instantly have an extra hundred views.
These are horn dogs to the 12th degree. But you love it....
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word. I love this stuff.