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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: fastson on May 14, 2002, 05:59:08 AM
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http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/matrox/parhelia_release/001.htm
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:eek:
Matrox > nVidia
Before I proceed, here\'s a quick gander at the ultra-impressive specs:
• General features and characteristics
• World\'s first 512-bit GPU
• 80 million transistors in 0.15 process
• 256-bit DDR memory interface
• Up to 20 GB/s memory bandwidth
• Up to 256MB DDR unified frame buffer
• 10-bit Gigacolor Technology
• 10-bit per channel RGB rendering and output
• Over one billion simultaneously displayed colors
• 10-bit precision for 2D, 3D, DVD and video
• 10-bit frame buffer mode for ARGB (2:10:10:10)
• 10-bit RAMDACs with full gamma correction
• AGP host interface designed for up to AGP 8X bandwidths
• AGP Fast Writes support
• 8-way parallel DMA streaming engine
• OpenGL 1.3 and DirectX® 8.1 compliant 3D engine
• DualHead®-HF Display Technology
• Dual integrated 400MHz 10-bit RAMDACs
• Dual independent RGB outputs
• Up to 2048 x 1536 @ 32bpp on each RGB output
• Support for two digital TMDS transmitters
• Dual independent DVI outputs
• Up to 1920 x 1200 on each output **
• Single dual-link DVI output
• Up to 2560 x 2048
• Integrated 10-bit high-fidelity TV/video encoder
• NTSC/PAL output
• Direct encoding of native interlaced YUV
• Perfect full-screen DVD playback via DVDMax
• TripleHead Desktop
• Support for 3rd RGB output
• Three display desktop at up to 3840 x 1024 @ 32bpp
• 10-bit gamma correction
• Per-layer gamma and color correction at full speed
• Dual independent, gamma correctable hardware overlays
• Support for true multi-display under Microsoft® Windows® 2000 and Windows XP
• Hardware accelerated multi-screen OpenGL support
More @ Link
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Obviously technology goes on...and I can\'t imagine what both ATI and NVIDIA will release later...
however it\'s very interesting,thanks for the info...
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nvidia hasnt released thier nv20 information yet
matrox\'s top of the line card will cost 600$+ anyways :rolleyes:
ummm, yeah
thats like saying the PS3 will 0wnx0r the xbox!!!!!!!!!!
matrox who? oh yeah, get back in the closet where they belong
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You mean NV30 ?
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indeed i did, thanks
*smacks forehead*
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This card is $400.. And it still ownz GF4.. (3 screen Quake 3)
I wish I could buy it :(
But sure.. nVidia will eventually release a even more powerful card.. Eventually ;)
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We still have yet to see a review of the card... real world performance and spec sheets can be two very different things sometimes...
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thier high end card will cost $600+ and they dont have the capital funding to come anywhere near nvidia
so 50% of those stats are gimmicks anyways
512 bit GPU, overkill anyone? whats it gonna run on, a cray?
3 screen quake 3? BWUHAHAHAHAHA! what a joke
sure, ill dump a grand on 3 monitors, sign me up!
all companies overstate thier specs
i remember nvidia saying thier gf4 would feature 8x AA
matrox = bitboys
they will fight for nvidia\'s table scraps with ATI
today (and tomorrow etc..), my 330$ gf4 ti4600 owns any matrox "vaporware"
remember when 3do came out with thier $800 super advanced console, yeah......
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Originally posted by fastson
This card is $400.. And it still ownz GF4.. (3 screen Quake 3)
I wish I could buy it :(
But sure.. nVidia will eventually release a even more powerful card.. Eventually ;)
""So do we expect this card to be the “GeForce 4 Killer”? Yes and no. I’ll explain. You may have read the many rumors floating around about this card on the web over the last couple of weeks, and there has been great speculation as to what exactly it was capable of. Given our time with the card a few weeks ago, and the early reports we’re getting from Matrox we don’t expect this card to slaughter a GeForce 4 Ti4600 right off the bat. We do, however, expect it to pave the way to true, next-gaming at its finest and perform better than any current card when pushed into advanced forms of AntiAliasing and rendering at ultra-high resolutions. The 20 Gigabytes per second memory bandwidth really comes into play once you start enabling advanced features that tax the card and can truly utilize this GPUs potential.""
http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/video_cards/matrox/parhelia_release/011.htm
maybe it\'s better you buy the next GF then;)
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To be really honest, I didn\'t see anything in that article that really makes me jump for excitment. There are still a lot of questions unaswered, such as fillrate and clock speed and some other things that I wonder about that would have heaps of relevance.
"10-bit Gigacolor Technology?" What is the use of being able to have 1 billion simultaneously displayed colors, if the human eye can only distinguish about 12 million colours? I don\'t see how going above 24-bit will make a difference, even for those professionals. :confused:
512 bit does sound impressive, but only tells someone how much information passes through at one clock cycle. If these 512-bits are really so advanced is yet to be seen when they are tested against other graphicscards.
Apart from some mistakes in the article, definately a good read and shows how fast that the PC industry is advancing under the same old and limiting bottlenecks. I find it laughable though, to how much these graphicscards will end up costing. For what anyway, because no one will see those graphics posted in the above screen for at least a year anyway. 16xFAA, 1 billion colors and 4 vertex shaders won\'t make current games look much better. IMO, better to wait for a year and get the card at a discount when the first games ship that take maximum advantage of the GPU\'s performance.
Thanks for the info btw. It\'s cool to be updated. ;)
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I\'ve owned 2 Matrox Cards (a Marvel G400-TV and currently have a Millenium 2 in an older compooter) and man are they awesome. Matrox really puts quality into their products but they usually aren\'t really marketed towards gamers. I\'ve never seen 2D quality that was any better, the text and graphics are super crisp. But for gaming I much preferred my Elsa Gladiac and Radeon 7500.
If I was a professional or even amateur Adobe whore I\'d pick up this card (called the Perhelia?) but $400-$600 is not chump change.
nVidia will still be the king for the PC gamer imo.
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I\'ve been looking forward to this since I heard the first Parhelia rumours, a competitive Matrox card would be awesom.
I\'ll most likely get this card, I miss my old Matrox days, and if nVidia still remains the fastest 3d performer out there...so what, I\'m willing to accept that for the MUCH better 2d quality Matrox provides.
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matrox did have wonderfull 2d back then, no argument there
but nvidia has made leaps and bounds in the 2d department
its 3D speed and quality that pulls gamers in, and thats who buys these cards
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More pics:
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3-Display Quake (http://hard.zol.com.cn/2002/0511/images/20693.jpg)
Edit: Another Quake Pic (http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/parhelia512/main_quakelll.gif)
Pretty 1 (http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/parhelia512/surroundfish1.jpg)
Pretty 2 (http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/parhelia512/sebfishin.jpg)
http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/matroxparhelia512.shtml
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the one awesome aspect of this card that just got me excited is the following:
the Matrox Perhelia 512 apparently will support the new Amiga OS. Now that\'s cool. :)
As a matter of fact, Amiga will rise from the death:
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/032502-mcewen.shtml
Should be cool, especially to those Amiga fans outthere. :)
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One question: How much is 236 MBs of DDR SDRAM at 20GB/s gonna cost? I\'m guessing in the thousands.:eek:
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Originally posted by mm
matrox did have wonderfull 2d back then, no argument there
but nvidia has made leaps and bounds in the 2d department
its 3D speed and quality that pulls gamers in, and thats who buys these cards
True, nVidia has fixed their 2d quality, mostly by making their policies stricter, vid card companies used low quality materials and the rf filters which clean out the noise in the picture degraded the quality of the picture.
However, Matrox has and will continue to remain the king if output quality, I\'ve used computers with G400\'s that had cheap displays, and the image quality was on par with my Gf2 Sony G400 setup. Now imagine if I\'d finally get a decent vid card, color calibrating in Photoshop would be a whole lot easier.
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amiga can join matrox back in the closet after they waste millions of venture capatalism
anyone read that yugo\'s are trying to make a comeback?
i wish i had money to burn
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I\'m 1 of those Amiga fans , but to be honest I\'m sitting on the fence for this one. I\'ll see what it\'s like from others at the Amiga club before I even consider it. Anywayz I\'ve got my name down for a PS2 Linux kit atm :D .
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I was just reading the article on firingsquad and all the while I was thinking NV30 shouldn\'t be too far away from this one. :) Since I\'m an nVidia whore, I\'m hoping it won\'t.
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Lol mm... you own the Ti4600 right?
cough *biased* cough :p
I don\'t mind nVidea at all, they make good and fast products. But I won\'t lick their @sses and if anyone else releases something that is on par or better, I\'m happy. More competion is better for everyone.
And nVidea is/was starting too look like the MS of gfx cards. Let\'s hear a YAY for ATi and Matrox.
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d00d, ATI still owns nVidia in terms of volume. nVidia only looks like the dominant party cuz it rapes ATI on the test bench. Anyhoo, let it be known to all that my GeForce4 Ti 4200 will be arrivng tomorrow. HA :P
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no way, nvidia completely dominates the OEM market
ATI just picks up the scraps
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020513/sfm005_1.html
read that if yer bored
look what they did to 3DFX within a couple years
i miss my voodoo5 tho
:(
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Heh. Ah whell.. I guess they\'re not the underdogs anymore. :)Wasn\'t that a quick ascent... ATI\'s dominant days seems like a week ago.
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Well, you guys can poo-pah it all in advance, but The Firing Squad (http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/) has a preview of the board (only two tests so far), which is showing it as a very promising card. It\'s lower (of the two) end version, the one above will cost around 500 at release in a few weeks, the higher... er... more.
Firing Squad thinks this beats the GF4 (especially with FAA, super bandwidth, multiscreen, and video input/output at true HDTV levels). They don\'t know enough about the NV30 to see how it will compare to that one though. They also praise matrox for declaring outright that there will be at most, a new generation every year... rather than the 6 months that irritates us all with NVidia. This means we might actually see games that use the card before a whole new card is out, with a whole new set of tools. Obviously we have to wait and see how it performs in actual game benchmark tests, but if it\'s worth the extra 40% over the TI4600, you can bet plenty of us will go with it.
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Matrox kicks ass. They\'ve always been the best at 2D and throwing in a great set of features with every card. They were the first with dual head and bump mapping technology and their TV-out support is wicked. Matrox = quality (IMHO).
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tech demos mean jack **** to me, I have yet to see a game that runs at 125 mpps like the gf3 was \'supposed\' to do, and i bet we will never see such a game due to gamers like me who cant be botherd upgrading their system ;)
People need to stop overhyping their products and show us realistic specs with some realistic playable tech demos
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Those specs are really marketing gimmicks (most).
Nothing is gonna be made possible if the fill-rate is complete crap. But, their product or shall I say "vapor ware" is going to prove new image quality watermarks.
Did you see the fps in 3Dmark 2001 on that Matrox? 2fps in the first scene. Of course it\'s just vaporware, but seriously, this is a company that had less than a doorstop product that was able to compete for the last 5-6 years.
Gaming on 3 monitors? ROFL, please. That\'s really redicilous. It totaly stretches out the screen and becomes a joke to even play at. Unless you got literally 3 grand to burn, go ahead and have a ball, but that feature is .2% innovative at best.
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Yeah, but competition is still nice. Personally I think it\'s a great move by Matrox and I can\'t wait to see more \'next-gen\' gfxcards from the other companies. And I doubt the fill rate will be \'complete crap\'.
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* Nu blinks.
... So uh... Just stick with the G4 Ti4600? I\'m getting a new PC with a new graphics card pretty soon, I dont want to waste my money. o_o