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Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mostafa3k on May 14, 2002, 11:47:37 AM
I got both these albums a few weeks ago and just started listening to them. Before I start, let it be known that I hate rap.

Eminen Show:

DAMN GOOD CD. Easily his best, the only track that i didn\'t like was #4, where he blubbers and whines to his mom. This CD will possibly offend the patriots of this wonderful country, where he does quite a bit of government bashing in "White America". But it\'s easily the best track on the CD. The skits are pretty cool too, especially when he kills Steve Berman.

Eminem knows how to deliver a message.

Moby 18:

Moby\'s CD is great for the first half, nothing hard in general (ala Bodyrock), but still holds its own. It starts to drag after track 12, but its still damn good. It seems to have a lot more "soul" than his past CDs and relies a bit more on lyrics.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: kopking on May 14, 2002, 11:49:59 AM
i take it the eminem show is his new album????
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mostafa3k on May 14, 2002, 11:50:57 AM
Yup.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mm on May 14, 2002, 04:39:45 PM
eminem is a punk

good thing dr dre took most of his money when he stepped out

eminem = vanilla ice
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Black Samurai on May 14, 2002, 05:24:02 PM
If you hate rap why did you get his album?

Just curious.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Luke on May 14, 2002, 08:39:24 PM
because its on MTV.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: theomen on May 14, 2002, 10:34:40 PM
Eminem fan right here.

He\'s just one of those guys you either love or hate, and I happen to like the guy.  I get a major kick outta the lyrics, he has really started a new style of rapping, and he is one of, if not the, most talented rappers in the biz.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: dajo on May 14, 2002, 11:32:04 PM
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Originally posted by theomen
Eminem fan right here.

He\'s just one of those guys you either love or hate, and I happen to like the guy.  I get a major kick outta the lyrics, he has really started a new style of rapping, and he is one of, if not the, most talented rappers in the biz.


I agree with you 100%. His lyrics and his style are unique, and he definately has talent. His lyrics are raw, but it\'s hardcore rap and you have to expect that. At least it\'s different, I mean you can only rap about weed, b!tches, ho\'s, crack, and guns for so long before they all sound the same just with different artist.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mm on May 15, 2002, 02:15:01 AM
yeah, how many albums is he gonna put out about his mom, and his ex wife kim?

we\'re sick of it

his rap style is a gimmick

outcast has style, odb had sytle, onyx had style
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mjps21983 on May 15, 2002, 05:27:03 AM
How can you say you already have he cd, when in fact it doesn\'t come out till like June 2.???
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: kopking on May 15, 2002, 08:03:40 AM
well im a fan of eminem.....but to be honest i dontreallylike his new song.......



i used to love rap, but now its goone downhill, ad i hardly listen to it.......only old cd, like 2pac, grandmaster flash etc, but i dont really listen to them that much any more



i blame puff daddy... i hate that guy



i hate the whole, i black, make loadsa money, get all the women, im such a player, look at me, im so tough.... thing, it just is been done to death
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on May 15, 2002, 08:15:39 AM
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Originally posted by LUKE
because its on MTV.


heheh, youre a cynical old bastard arent you?  :)
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Black Samurai on May 15, 2002, 12:41:02 PM
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, how many albums is he gonna put out about his mom, and his ex wife kim?

we\'re sick of it

his rap style is a gimmick

outcast has style, odb had sytle, onyx had style
What do you mean by "style"? Explain

Eminem is a better lyricist than everyone that you mentioned.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Toxical on May 15, 2002, 01:06:41 PM
Guns, Money, Ho-biatches, and blunts, :D what more do you need ? :D
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: JP on May 16, 2002, 01:33:37 AM
I really dislike rap, the whole genre is redundant if you ask me.
Of course there are some ok rap songs here and there but they\'re few and far between. Most of the rap people listen to sounds exactly the same, totally stripped of charm and good lyrics and/or melody. And the fact most rap songs are built on a sample of an old classic kinda makes the whole thing look damn unimpressive. Same with trance/techno and chart pop. I listen to most genres except those. I\'m a rock\'n\'roll person mainly though.

Lately I have been listening a lot to acid jazz, like St. Germain. Wicked stuff.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mm on May 16, 2002, 02:05:18 AM
ask eminem the meaning of the word "freestyle"

any fool can sit down with a notebook and write out silly rhymes

and he can buy any beat he wants to

he\'s a fraud just like tu-pac
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Black Samurai on May 16, 2002, 07:33:41 AM
^^^^Has NO idea what he is talking about.

Quick facts:

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He won the 1997 Wake Up Show Freestyle Performer of the Year from L.A. DJs Sway and Tech. That same year he earned second place in Rap Sheet magazine\'s "Rap Olympics," an annual freestyle rap competition.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Heat on May 16, 2002, 10:22:41 AM
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Originally posted by mm
ask eminem the meaning of the word "freestyle"

any fool can sit down with a notebook and write out silly rhymes

and he can buy any beat he wants to

he\'s a fraud just like tu-pac


I see you dont mind speaking ill of the dead.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: dajo on May 16, 2002, 09:17:24 PM
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Originally posted by mm
ask eminem the meaning of the word "freestyle"

any fool can sit down with a notebook and write out silly rhymes

and he can buy any beat he wants to

he\'s a fraud just like tu-pac


Well he has very good skills as a free styler, as someone has already pointed out, he won and placed second in freestyle championships. Back when napster was still alive you could find the whole contest on-line and listen to it.

Your entitled to your opinion mm, but just cause you don\'t like him or pac it doesn\'t make them frauds. It\'s just your lil ol measly opinion which your are entitled to. Yes even you, O GREAT ONE, has no idea what your talking about at times.

For every Em hater there is 10 fans, if it wasn\'t this way he couldn\'t sell any records.  I like his music and I like 2-Pac\'s music but it\'s a matter of taste. Hell I like some classical music and I\'m sure you like music that others don\'t, but to call him or Pac frauds makes no sense. If you don\'t like their music, simply don\'t buy it. But coming on here and voicing your opinionated statements about these artist when you clearly don\'t know anything about them makes you the fraud.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: ##RaCeR## on May 16, 2002, 09:37:51 PM
Eminem takes the piss outta Moby in his new single. Moby sucks IMO.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: CS2x on May 17, 2002, 11:00:49 AM
Moby doesn\'t "suck". Eminem is sometimes funny, but to cuss Moby in such a dumb way is helarious...Moby\'s reply is really intelligent and funny, imo....it was so subtle and clever Eminem porbably wouldn\'t get it. Moby is a real musician who doesn\'t rely on hype and violent themes to sell his music, unlike Eminem imo.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2002, 11:02:44 AM
what did moby say?
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mm on May 17, 2002, 11:04:30 AM
so he won a freestyle contest, whoop-de-do!   he must possess good memorization skills to achieve that

if it wasnt for MTV, he would still be in the gutter where dre found him

like him if you will, its yer tastes, not mine that are at risk

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I see you dont mind speaking ill of the dead.


ask shug knight if he\'s dead
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Heat on May 17, 2002, 11:35:38 AM
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Originally posted by mm
so he won a freestyle contest, whoop-de-do!   he must possess good memorization skills to achieve that

if it wasnt for MTV, he would still be in the gutter where dre found him

like him if you will, its yer tastes, not mine that are at risk



ask shug knight if he\'s dead



I asked him and he said he was. You happy now?
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: unfocused on May 17, 2002, 11:55:12 AM
Yeah I was also wondering how you got Eminem Show, seeing as how it doesn\'t come out until....June 4th.  Either you are lying or downloaded it.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Metal_Gear_Ray on May 17, 2002, 02:07:56 PM
Eminem sucks

Moby is one of the best musicians alive

and thats just my opinion
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: Luke on May 17, 2002, 08:45:13 PM
i agree.

while i dont like mobys newer stuff.... the guy is amazing.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mostafa3k on May 18, 2002, 01:17:14 AM
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If you hate rap why did you get his album?


Eminem\'s lyrical style always caught my attention. Much like RATM does, I\'m no fan of Rap/Rock, but I listen to RATM.

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How can you say you already have he cd, when in fact it doesn\'t come out till like June 2.???


I never said i had the CD.

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Yeah I was also wondering how you got Eminem Show, seeing as how it doesn\'t come out until....June 4th. Either you are lying or downloaded it.


Bingo!

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because its on MTV.


What the **** is MTV?


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his rap style is a gimmick

outcast has style, odb had sytle, onyx had style


Sorry, I don\'t listen to music about blitches, blunts, and hoes. Or any other lyricist dedicated to the self-degredation of their own race.

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i hate the whole, i black, make loadsa money, get all the women, im such a player, look at me, im so tough.... thing, it just is been done to death


Thank you.

To be honest, EMINEM is a jackass. For a person. But i like the fact that his **** isn\'t tied in a knot like all the other idiots in entertainment who have PC liberal sticks stuck up their asses.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mm on May 18, 2002, 03:23:06 AM
so in other words, he\'s a fraud.  thanks!
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: kopking on May 18, 2002, 04:17:04 AM
well i saw him live once, should of 3 times,but i sold my ticket to my mate when i was skint one tme, and he didnt turn up to reading festival.. but when  heard him, it was great
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: QuDDus on May 18, 2002, 04:21:10 AM
MM says a whole lot but he does not back it up. How is eminem a fraud?


I mean you talk about tupac but back it up with no real facts. He was in digital underground so what? He use to be cool with them.

maybe MM should put out a album then;)
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mm on May 18, 2002, 04:28:13 AM
actually, i have been thinking of putting out a spoken word disc, ala Henry Rollins

would be almost zero production costs as i could just record it here, and print out all the media here also

i would cover all kind of topics, from eminem being a MTV whore, to [backup dancer] tupac not living the "thug life" while hiding out in south america to m$ being the devil to the current state of affairs in the mid-east

i dont have to back up the things i say, do i ask you to?

we express our opinions here, no?

my opinion is that tupac NEVER knew anything about "thug life" and that eminem is a no talent hack that would still be in the gutter if dre hadnt pimped him.  his insistant rambling and rap style might be entertaining to young teens, but not on anyone who remembers rap the way it was

why so offensive?  did i mock yer idols so easily?
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: kopking on May 18, 2002, 04:31:23 AM
man  take no offence, i tink eminem is talented, but if he rapped about some other stuff, rather tan jus swearing, my mum, etc etc, then he would get more reconision...... also if he was black would he be as famous???


i also thought tupac is very talented,


but you can not say they are no talent, as they would not be where they are today!!!


one guy who had loadsa talent though... john lennon... recentely ive be downloading loadsa his songs on kazaa, and he is sooo good
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mm on May 18, 2002, 05:06:15 AM
tupac could rap, yes
i just refuse to let him make people think he was something he wasnt

eminem?  he rode dre\'s coattails all the way to MTV
anyone could do that.
Title: The Eminem Show / Moby 18
Post by: mjps21983 on May 18, 2002, 09:02:51 AM
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Originally posted by mm
eminem?  he rode dre\'s coattails all the way to MTV
anyone could do that.


He may have, but he has since made a name for himself, I am not discediting your opinion, but you can\'t deny he\'s come out of dre\'s shadow.