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Title: hard puzzle
Post by: kopking on May 14, 2002, 12:25:09 PM
here is a puzzle, i got it in a email. see if you can do it




Well difficult but i\'m soooo close to crackin it!!!!

EINSTEIN\'S RIDDLE

This IS solvable with no trickery or misleading clues!

1.  there are 5 houses horizontally in 5 different colours. In each house
lives one person, each with a different nationality.

2.  the 5 owners each drink a certain type of beverage, smoke a certain
brand of cigar and keep a certain pet.
3.  no owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar or drink the
same beverage.

The question is "Who owns the fish"?

Clues:
The Brit lives in the red house
The Swede keeps dogs as pets
The Dane drinks tea
The green house is on the left of the white house
The green house\'s owner drinks coffee
The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds
The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill
The man living in the centre house drinks milk
The Norwegian lives in the first house
The man who smokes Blends lives next to the one who keeps cats
The man who keeps the horse lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill
The owner who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer
The German smokes Prince
The Norwegian lives next to the blue house
The man who smokes Blends has a neighbour who drinks water

Einstein wrote this riddle. He said 98% of the world could not solve it.

It can be done! Be part of the 2% that COULD.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 14, 2002, 02:01:15 PM
The German, who lives in the 4th house from the left.  It is a green house, where he sits and drinks coffee, while smoking Prince cigars.

That really wasn\'t that hard...


This was my full solution:

1:Yellow:Norwegan:Water:Dun Hill:Cats
2:Blue:Dane:Tea:Blends:Horse
3:Red:Brit:Milk:Pall Mall:Birds
4:Green:German:Coffee:Prince:Fish
5:White:Sweed:Beer:Bluemasters:Dogs
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: IronFist on May 14, 2002, 02:31:55 PM
It looks like Shockwave beat me to it, but I got the same answer.  Not too hard at all.  Just one big fill-in-the-blank problem.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Chumpay on May 14, 2002, 03:17:54 PM
mr green with the knife in the ballroom

...damn it wrong game
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: cloud345 on May 14, 2002, 05:38:45 PM
Ill take a House on the Boardwalk.......did I win?






Its simple I got the german on the 4th house to the left its green smokes prince while he drinks coffee.





 My methed:




 
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The German, who lives in the 4th house from the left. It is a green house, where he sits and drinks coffee, while smoking Prince cigars.

That really wasn\'t that hard...


This was my full solution:

1:Yellow:Norwegan:Water:Dun Hill:Cats
2:Blue:Dane:Tea:Blends:Horse
3:Red:Brit:Milk:Pall Mall:Birds
4:Green:German:Coffee:Prince:Fish
5:White:Sweed:Beer:Bluemasters:Dogs







So what if I cheated :) ?
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: kokopuphz on May 14, 2002, 08:43:41 PM
I got the answer, but others beat me =( darn it.  But this many people in the 2% that Einstein declared?  Besides, where did the number 98% come from in the first place?

That was fun... Have any more?
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: cloud345 on May 15, 2002, 01:15:32 AM
koko see in a % there is 1.00. 1%=.01




 1.00
- .98=.2 convert that to a percent and you get 02%.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: kokopuphz on May 15, 2002, 01:20:12 AM
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Originally posted by cloud345
koko see in a % there is 1.00. 1%=.01
 1.00 - .98=.2 convert that to a percent and you get 02%.

:eek:  so wait.. like 2% and like 98% and add them together and like you get 100%???? NO WAY. YOU\'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!:)
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: project86 on May 15, 2002, 02:17:44 AM
Hey, thanks to shockwaves hard work I have now just become part of only 2% of the population. COOOOOOOL!

Besides, who cares what the German keeps as a pet, I wanna know if the Swede has any good looking sisters?
:D
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: PS2_-'_'-_PS2 on May 15, 2002, 07:28:06 AM
how the **** do you gwt all that i have no idea how to do any of it!!!!:D :D
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: kopking on May 15, 2002, 08:11:37 AM
yeah i done it, took a while, had to write it on paper....



looked harder onmy email, as the screen was smaller
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: MPTheory on May 15, 2002, 11:49:27 AM
haha... It took me awhile, but I did it!   So does that mean that the PSx2Central posters are filled with a bunch of geniouses???  I guess so.. ;)
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 15, 2002, 11:50:20 AM
That, or a bunch of people who copied me :)
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: MPTheory on May 15, 2002, 11:55:43 AM
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The German, who lives in the 4th house from the left.  It is a green house, where he sits and drinks coffee, while smoking Prince cigars.

That really wasn\'t that hard...


This was my full solution:

1:Yellow:Norwegan:Water:Dun Hill:Cats
2:Blue:Dane:Tea:Blends:Horse
3:Red:Brit:Milk:Pall Mall:Birds
4:Green:German:Coffee:Prince:Fish
5:White:Sweed:Beer:Bluemasters:Dogs


Oh common... I figured it out too.. but it wasnt all that easy either.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: MPTheory on May 15, 2002, 12:02:54 PM
I can promise you that I didnt copy you... I have it written all over a bunch of pieces of paper... I screwed up once, so I had to start all the way from the beggining cause I didnt know where I screwed up.. that kind of sucked.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 15, 2002, 12:41:54 PM
Here\'s the thing though...I didn\'t use any paper :)
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Kimahri on May 15, 2002, 01:31:59 PM
hmmmmmm a lot of people got the answer......do you think this means that humans as a whole have gotten, through evolution, much more intelligent in only a couple of generations?
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 15, 2002, 02:42:31 PM
Or maybe Einstein underestimated us :)
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Fayded on May 15, 2002, 03:31:57 PM
I told shock the answer...he\'s the cheater.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 15, 2002, 04:36:43 PM
Ha, you wish.  Fayded\'s dumber than a brick...
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Fayded on May 15, 2002, 04:38:36 PM
:nerd:
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Sublimesjg on May 16, 2002, 09:32:22 AM
heh i got it

like everyone said its more time consuming then anything
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: mjps21983 on May 16, 2002, 09:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by kokopuphz
I got the answer, but others beat me =( darn it.  But this many people in the 2% that Einstein declared?  Besides, where did the number 98% come from in the first place?

That was fun... Have any more?


U gotta think in his time people weren\'t as educated as we are today.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Disc 2 on May 16, 2002, 10:55:44 AM
you sure einstein wrote this, its a very simple puzzle, thousands of which exist

einstein was a theoretical physisist, why would he write somehting like this?
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: PS2_-'_'-_PS2 on May 16, 2002, 12:38:34 PM
yeh, how do u actually no he wrote it?
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: kopking on May 16, 2002, 12:39:21 PM
maybe cos there is so many puzzles only 2% of the population will ever see and solve it
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 16, 2002, 01:13:05 PM
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Originally posted by mjps21983


U gotta think in his time people weren\'t as educated as we are today.


I don\'t see how education has anything to do with your ability to solve this puzzle.  If you can read it, then you should need nothing else.  You just have to reason through it.

And if you think it\'s easy, try doing it without writing anything down :)
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: IronFist on May 16, 2002, 01:50:23 PM
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Originally posted by Kimahri
hmmmmmm a lot of people got the answer......do you think this means that humans as a whole have gotten, through evolution, much more intelligent in only a couple of generations?

Evolution?  Ha.  I\'m sure us humans being more educated as a whole than back when Einstein supposedly did this is more likely the reason.

shockwaves,
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I don\'t see how education has anything to do with your ability to solve this puzzle. If you can read it, then you should need nothing else. You just have to reason through it.

Being educated doesn\'t only mean you know a lot of information.  Education also refers to your thinking skills, problem solving skills, logic, etc.

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And if you think it\'s easy, try doing it without writing anything down

But didn\'t you say that you didn\'t use paper?  And didn\'t you say that it was easy?
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 16, 2002, 03:25:00 PM
I did write it down, used notepad on my computer.  I\'m just saying though, maybe there was something more to it.  Like, perhaps, that you were supposed to do it in your head...

As for education, I still disagree with that.  The education I have received has done little to refine my skills in solving problems of this kind.  If I could have read and understood the problem, I could have solved it.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: IronFist on May 16, 2002, 08:15:22 PM
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Originally posted by shockwaves
As for education, I still disagree with that.  The education I have received has done little to refine my skills in solving problems of this kind.  If I could have read and understood the problem, I could have solved it. [/B]

So at 8 years old, considering that you could read the problem and know what it was asking you do do, you could have solved this without too much difficulty?  Impressive... but I\'m not so sure about that.

I think education has done more for developing your mind than you are giving credit for.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: kokopuphz on May 16, 2002, 08:25:44 PM
So wait, let me get this straight..  Back in the days of Einstein, people couldn\'t solve this puzzle?  Because with education comes the power to reason?  So now that the most of us are educated well enough, then most of us should be able to come up with many of Newton\'s Laws of Physics on our own, even if we had never studied any of Newton\'s laws before?

I personally believe that the power to reason is not something that can be developed through education.  If it was, then everyone in a single class in the same school would be getting the same scores because they all learned the same things.  The power of reasoning is something that the brain is capable of, and I dont think it\'s something that is taught.

Newton was able to reason well when he came up with all his Laws of Physics.  Einstein was able to reason when he came up with his famous equations.  The percentage of people with the ability to reason is not something that has increased over the years.  However knowledge and facts have increased, allowing people to apply those knowledge to their own powers of reasoning.  What shockwave was probably trying to say is that the puzzle does not require any knowledge that is given in education, simply the power to reason, which is something that is not specifically gained from proper education.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: IronFist on May 17, 2002, 12:26:34 AM
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So wait, let me get this straight.. Back in the days of Einstein, people couldn\'t solve this puzzle? Because with education comes the power to reason?

Reasoning doesn\'t come with education, but instead, is increased by education.  As you grow up and learn new things, your brain figures out new ways to store, sort, and recall those things.  Not only that, but your mind develops new reasoning skills and techniques to help you solve problems.  Don\'t you remember the "story problems" back in elementary school? (or elementary school equivalent, depending on where you live :))  The first reasoning skill that you were taught was (most likely) to get rid of information you don\'t need.  The second technique was probably to sort the information left over into a chart or equation or something like that.

So was what we learned in Elementary school just a time filler/busy work, or was it actually something that was beneficial to our power to reason?  I personally think the latter.

Those things actually taught to you are probably only a small fraction of our reasoning ability though.  Most of our reasoning skills were probably developed on our own while we were growing up and learning new things (like I said before, our brains were working behind the scenes figuring out new ways to understand and solve).
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 17, 2002, 11:42:54 AM
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Originally posted by IronFist

So at 8 years old, considering that you could read the problem and know what it was asking you do do, you could have solved this without too much difficulty?  Impressive... but I\'m not so sure about that.


You\'re damn right I could have :p

Besides, there\'s a difference between education and intelligence.  Anyone who has enough intelligence to reason through that can solve it.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: IronFist on May 18, 2002, 01:27:54 AM
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Besides, there\'s a difference between education and intelligence.  Anyone who has enough intelligence to reason through that can solve it. [/B]

"Intelligence" is increased practically the same way "Reason" is.  Like reasoning, intelligence increases through education.  You are not born with a large degree of either, but through education they can grow.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: MaXiMaN on May 18, 2002, 02:57:07 AM
I give up on this one.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Fayded on May 18, 2002, 07:16:50 AM
See, shock is still lying. He\'s trying to pull that trick where you don\'t have to be smart to solve it, when he\'s the one that got the answer from me. Pfft, shows how smart he is.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: shockwaves on May 18, 2002, 09:16:44 AM
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Originally posted by Fayded
See, shock is still lying. He\'s trying to pull that trick where you don\'t have to be smart to solve it, when he\'s the one that got the answer from me. Pfft, shows how smart he is.


...yeah, good one :rolleyes:

And I guess this depends on your definition of education.  If we are talking about it in the sense of formal education, like schooling and such, then I feel I am still very much right.  If you are talking about self education, simply from living in the world that\'s around you, and picking up on different things...well that\'s something that everyone will do, of course.
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: Disc 2 on May 18, 2002, 10:47:44 AM
intelligence is not the same as education

einstein was not the author of this puzzle, in fact, einstein did not create any "puzzles"

its not hard, more than 2% of the population could solve it, you can buy whole books with these types of puzzles in
Title: hard puzzle
Post by: IronFist on May 18, 2002, 01:59:08 PM
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And I guess this depends on your definition of education. If we are talking about it in the sense of formal education, like schooling and such, then I feel I am still very much right. If you are talking about self education, simply from living in the world that\'s around you, and picking up on different things...well that\'s something that everyone will do, of course.

I think that all forms of education (in school and out, personal and through others) contribute to your power of reasoning.  In fact, I don\'t see why in-school wouldn\'t but out-of-school would...

Disc 2,
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intelligence is not the same as education

Nobody ever said it was. :)

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einstein was not the author of this puzzle, in fact, einstein did not create any "puzzles"

its not hard, more than 2% of the population could solve it, you can buy whole books with these types of puzzles in

I agree 100%.