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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: mm on May 15, 2002, 02:37:45 AM
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this is going to get interesting
my thoughts, is m$ gonna reduce the cost of mem cards and controllers like sony?
i doubt it, they are losing billions as is it in hardware sales
watch for nintendo to go to $149
:)
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£100 for a NGC
i wonder if i can get a £30 rebate & put it towards getting pikmin ;)
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Heh, in a market with as much potential as interactive entertainment, MS is going to put their 37.something BILLION dollar cash reserve to good use. They\'ll also be leveraging this "on-line" thing to put further pressure on the competition.
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Heh, in a market with as much potential as interactive entertainment, MS is going to put their 37.something BILLION dollar cash reserve to good use. They\'ll also be leveraging this "on-line" thing to put further pressure on the competition.
yeah all that power and they still don\'t have a clue how to use it :rolleyes:.
thank god i am not a M$ share holder ;)
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DANG DOULE ZERO!!!!.. do you know how much interest that kind of money gets!!!!!!!!! @!#$:O!283937098&^*&^@&^(%$*@#$*$%@(%(*!%@$&%#(@*$^(*!&@^$(*%@($^!*(@&%)(#^%)!(^%#@@##
18per cent of MS\'s operating revenues, apparently come from just that.
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I think it\'s great. Buy all three and have a blast.
I\'ve got two and one more to go.
Ace
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yeah, i tried that
i play two constantly and one sits and collects dust
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Well to be honest I haven\'t played anything for a while. I\'ve been too busy with my car and work. Also, there\'s something missing from the games we play now. Can\'t put my finger on it.
Ace
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I feel exactly the same way!!...what could it be? Gameplay? Lack of real original titles...or are most of us just growing up? I doubt the latter one though.:p
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I still act like a 12 year old so I don\'t think it\'s getting older. :p
Now and then a game comes along and I can\'t put down the controller. Then wham, none of my systems get turned on for weeks at a time.
It\'s got to be gameplay and a lack of original titles dawid22.
Ace
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Its been along held misconception that games r just for kids. Sure there are games 4 kids out there, but really, when u look at the target audiences of the Xbox and PS2, they\'re not that young. Anyhoo, if you\'re not getting too much satisfaction out of your console, get a PC and buy JediKnight2 and then look forward to WarCraft3.
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Christmas is gonna = $$ this year for all three.
Well, except maybe Microsoft since they\'re losing so much on each one now. :)
-Eik
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Heh, in a market with as much potential as interactive entertainment, MS is going to put their 37.something BILLION dollar cash reserve to good use. They\'ll also be leveraging this "on-line" thing to put further pressure on the competition.
yes.. lets all watch MS scramble its way into a market using BILLIONS of dollars.. and then see how their shareholders react to it all :)
anyhoo, yes this\'ll be interesting to see if Nintendo want to keep their price edge..
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is ps2 already 199 USD (or whatever that is in Euros) in europe?
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Its been along held misconception that games r just for kids.
Yes, I agree with you. My previous statement was just (latter) was just a joke:) . The reason most of us are not kids is because of the cost involved for the consoles and games. Our parents used to s**t themselves if they had to buy us a NES (or games for it):p
One thing that has definitly changed is the way people look at you if you are a gamer. In the old days most people (parents, most woman, tough guys, etc.) looked down at you...in those days you were a nerd.:(
These days you are cool if you have a console:D
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Nintendo won\'t go to $149 until at least August.. mark my words.
GameCube is selling very well right now.. (except in Japan.. but Xbox is still far worse there)
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yeah, ps2 outsells xbox over 40-1
hell, the PS1 and wonderswan outsell the xbox
oh, and i found this on yahoo
Analysts have estimated that at the initial retail price of $299, Microsoft has been losing anywhere between $76 and $105 on every Xbox sold
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!! so that goes up tp $176-$205 lost on every xbox sold
at 1000 units thats $176,000 pissed away
by the time they sell 1 million units [long time], they will be down 176 million clams
:eek:
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I hope Sony lowers the price on the games like Hari said.
That’s the only thing I care about right now (since Ive had my PS2 since launch (24th November))..
That’s some interesting numbers mm.. I wonder how the shareholders (like Bobo said) will react when they realize they wont get that kind of money back [from the Xbox] for a looooong time..
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Why not just try to enjoy all the freaking consoles and leave that other BS alone? I mean some of you people on this forum want the box to fail so bad and thats sad.
I mean all that "ps2killah" mess is just bull. Grow up people. I men babbling back and forth on which console sucks is just stupid. They both are great and all of you just look like fools.
It\'s sad people just can\'t sit down and enjoy the games what if we didn\'t have xbox,ps2, or gamecube then were would we be?
199 is great I hope xbox sales more console because it is a great console. I want a gamecube even though I am not so hyped about the controller. I am still holding my breath on Nintendo to drop down to 99$:D Even if they don\'t lower it I will still get one.
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Uh Oh :eek:
Now you\'ve gone and done it.;)
No room for reasonable behavior when it comes to bashing MS to death.
Ace
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/me thinks quddus should stick to main and off topic forum
if you like, quddus, i can remove access from this part of the forum so you wont be offended so easily
OR
go into yer profile and you can choose to ignore posts by myself and the reast of us "PS2 fanboys"
we\'re fools, huh?
in the immortal words of paul rueban
"it takes one to know one"
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*back on topic. quote from ign
"SOFTWARE PERCENTAGES
(4/15 to 4/21)
Pretty much the same as before, although strong sales of Xbox software give the system a 1.1% share this time.
PS2: 62.6%
Game Boy Advance: 10.3%
PSX: 15.5%
GameCube: 4.2%
Dreamcast: 6.3%
Xbox: 1.1%"
JEBUS! im actually starting to feel bad for the xbox
what does IGN mean by "this time"
was it LOWER than 1.1% before?
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I agree with Quddus for the most part. Yes, PS2 is killing xbox but theres no need to bash xbox to all hell. Some of you guys need to grow up and start just enjoying the things you like and not bashing the things you don\'t.
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so why complain?
thats like saying "people who dont vote shouldnt complain about the government"
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Whatever, just grow up and stop with the mindless bashing.
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Whatever, just grow up and stop with the
... complaining
you want mindless bashing? visit the IGN forum, *shudder*
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Haha, yea around here we have intelligent, mindful bashing. :)
-Eik
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yer darn tootin\' we do!
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X-BOX SUX0RZ!11 M$ IZ IN MEEZAH TIOLET!!1 PS2 R0X0RZ YURS MOMS!111
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Why not just try to enjoy all the freaking consoles and leave that other BS alone? I mean some of you people on this forum want the box to fail so bad and thats sad.
I mean all that "ps2killah" mess is just bull. Grow up people. I men babbling back and forth on which console sucks is just stupid. They both are great and all of you just look like fools.
It\'s sad people just can\'t sit down and enjoy the games what if we didn\'t have xbox,ps2, or gamecube then were would we be?
we cant help it... you see the Majority of people that use consoles for playor Computers for playing/work...want to see M$$$$$ do Badly for once.
so Stop Yur B$tching and let us enjoy this GREAT moment in history.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Why not just try to enjoy all the freaking consoles and leave that other BS alone? I mean some of you people on this forum want the box to fail so bad and thats sad.
I mean all that "ps2killah" mess is just bull. Grow up people. I men babbling back and forth on which console sucks is just stupid. They both are great and all of you just look like fools.
It\'s sad people just can\'t sit down and enjoy the games what if we didn\'t have xbox,ps2, or gamecube then were would we be?
199 is great I hope xbox sales more console because it is a great console. I want a gamecube even though I am not so hyped about the controller. I am still holding my breath on Nintendo to drop down to 99$:D Even if they don\'t lower it I will still get one.
QuDDus, I agree with you 1000%! There is too much Xbox bashing.
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we cant help it... you see the Majority of people that use consoles for playor Computers for playing/work...want to see M$$$$$ do Badly for once.
A wee bit of an overstatement. Hmm?
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
A wee bit of an overstatement. Hmm?
Ace
sorry but thats IMO on the matter an why i think we have people who hate microsoft or alreast not to trust them to actually but there console...
There menaged to use the word Trust and Microsoft in the Same sentence with out saying ANTITRUST ;)
j/k
:p
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Seeing PS2 destroy xbox is making me just as happy but you don\'t see me bashing xbox to all hell. Its still a good system.
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Without the XBox and GC to give competition to the PS2, do you think we would have a price drop?
Competition=Good for consumer
Ace
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Originally posted by Avatarr
Its been along held misconception that games r just for kids. Sure there are games 4 kids out there, but really, when u look at the target audiences of the Xbox and PS2, they\'re not that young. Anyhoo, if you\'re not getting too much satisfaction out of your console, get a PC and buy JediKnight2 and then look forward to WarCraft3.
Damn true. Everytime there\'s a school shooting or something, people point the finger at videogames. They don\'t do it with movies and books, just videogames. That\'s why I\'m looking to Microsoft to grab up some new gamers so this sh!t can turn legit.
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yea they have to grab up those gamers
because we all know those gamers wont come willingly
;)
just teasing
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You know, all your bashing is pointless. None of you have even mentioned the true best system out there.
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:)
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But but but the XBOX has better graphics than the NES. HAHAHA I win. (End making fun of DirectXbox):D
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ok all consoles are 200. why buy the gamecube when it gives less for the the same price?
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Ya know what the problem is here? Too much thinking, not enough playing.:nerd:
Ace
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actually i am playing madden 2002 and posting simutanlously
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LOL! :laughing:
That\'s the spirit.
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Originally posted by Clowd
ok all consoles are 200. why buy the gamecube when it gives less for the the same price?
Its all about the games.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Its all about the games.
well we all know who the victor is in that category ;)
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Who?
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BS
this was the best console ever made
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Originally posted by Clowd
well we all know who the victor is in that category ;)
Don\'t bring it up, it always ends up with someone complaining.
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I think this is one of the few times I have agreed with you. Man those were the days when I had endless hours of gaming goodness.
Ace
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Originally posted by Clowd
well we all know who the victor is in that category ;)
I wouldn\'t say there\'s a clear cut winner...going by line ups and potential killer apps.
2002 will be GC and Xbox\'s time to shine (perhaps Xbox\'s last chance at a saving grace).
PS2 played its\' big cards last year (it payed off) and looks to have few and far between "killers" this year. Ratchet and Clank, FFXI, and GTA4 will be nice but do they trump over games like Metroid, Zelda, Mario, DK Racing, Resident Evil, Project Ego, Unreal Championship, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue II, Phantasy Star, Brute Force...
With all three consoles priced VERY competitively and their online plans kicking off this fall...it could get interesting.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue II, Phantasy Star, Brute Force...
never heard of them, and if i havent 50% of gamers havent either well at least console gamers so they wont sell, i know if they came out on play station two i wouldnt buy them. i know those are the xbox games... do they think they can win the console war with pc ports (dunno if those games are pc ports or not)
actually it is too late for them to win any console war they sold only 200, 000 units in japan and the same number in europe.. :(
i predicted dreamcast\'s death before it even came out but it didnt even cross my mind the x box would do this bad...i dont care if you are one of the richest corporations in the world, if your in somehting that is losing you money, you get out
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yeah, gunvalkyrie was supposed to be this big killer app, and what happened?
titles dont always become what they are inspired to be
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never heard of them, and if i havent 50% of gamers havent either well at least console gamers so they wont sell, i know if they came out on play station two i wouldnt buy them. i know those are the xbox games...
Many other gamers haven\'t heard of them because they are 3-5 months off. How do you know you wouldn\'t buy the games? Because they aren\'t your standard fare sequel or rehash you\'ve become so comfortable with on the Playstation brand?
And if you haven\'t heard of them, then how do you know they are Xbox games?
I think it\'s very short sighted of you to knock a game you know nothing about.
actually it is too late for them to win any console war they sold only 200, 000 units in japan and the same number in europe..
Never say never...a strong game line-up could turn things around.
i predicted dreamcast\'s death before it even came out but it didnt even cross my mind the x box would do this bad...i dont care if you are one of the richest corporations in the world, if your in somehting that is losing you money, you get out
After how poorly the Saturn fared anyone could predict where DC was going. With a bad reputation and strong 3rd parties sitting on the fence, it was inevitable.
Xbox has a little different story...the 3rd parties seem to be spreading their lineups all over...
yeah, gunvalkyrie was supposed to be this big killer app, and what happened?
titles dont always become what they are inspired to be
And some surpass it...I think it\'s foolish to write something off before you play it...
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Oh and I find it quite hard to believe you haven\'t heard of Panzer Dragoon, Shenmue, Phantasy Star, or Brute Force...
Spread your wings a little, there is more than Sony out there...
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theres isnt anything wrong with sequels at least playstation two got them (gta3 ffx)
how do i know they could be x box games? the titles sound like your average pc port
sorry i will not leave sony\'s nest. there is predators out there
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theres isnt anything wrong with sequels at least playstation two got them (gta3 ffx)
Yes, even if one of them is quite a let down and the other a tedious thug fest...
The titles I listed before, why wouldn\'t you buy them if they came out on PS2?
how do i know they could be x box games? the titles sound like your average pc port
I didn\'t know you could do that?!?!? There is this game called Unseen. It hasn\'t been specified what console/pc it\'s coming out for...use your little talent and tell me.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ginko
I wouldn\'t say there\'s a clear cut winner...going by line ups and potential killer apps.
2002 will be GC and Xbox\'s time to shine (perhaps Xbox\'s last chance at a saving grace).
PS2 played its\' big cards last year (it payed off) and looks to have few and far between "killers" this year. Ratchet and Clank, FFXI, and GTA4 will be nice but do they trump over games like Metroid, Zelda, Mario, DK Racing, Resident Evil, Project Ego, Unreal Championship, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue II, Phantasy Star, Brute Force...[/B]
Just because you ignore the great games coming out on the PS2 doesn\'t mean there won\'t be any (or very many). And what makes you think that all of those game you listed above are going to be great? I can come up with a list of 20+ PS2 games that could be great, but what does that prove?
I personally think the NGC will have the best lineup this year (although many games have a good chance of being delayed [Zelda already being one of them!]). The Xbox and PS2 will be fighting for second place. Both of them have a big list of great games coming out for them this year, and that list can only grow next week at E3. Don\'t be so sure Sony is out of this "games" contest until you actually see what\'s coming out for it.
Oh, and why bunch the Xbox\'s and NGC\'s lineup together to compare to the PS2\'s?! Here, I\'ll put a little twist on things:
Project Ego, Unreal Championship, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue II, Phantasy Star, and Brute Force will be nice but do they trump over games like Metroid, Zelda, Mario (Shunshine, Golf, and Tennis), DK Racing, Resident Evil, Ratchet and Clank, FFXI, GTA4, Tekken 4, Ape Escape 2, Wild Arms 2, Xenosaga, Kingdom Hearts, Timesplitters 2 (probably the only online version if Sony paid them to save it for their online launch), Socom, The Getaway, Red Faction 2, Dark Cloud 2, Devil May Cry 2...
The Xbox is Do0Med this year!!1! ;)
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a strong game line-up could turn things around.
it didnt help my beloved dreamcast
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Just because you ignore the great games coming out on the PS2 doesn\'t mean there won\'t be any (or very many). I can come up with a list of 20+ PS2 games that could be great, but what does that prove?
I wouldn\'t say there\'s a clear cut winner...going by line ups and potential killer apps.-Ginko
Great? Are they already proclaimed that? I would say it fair to give them the benefit of the doubt...what and see.
And what makes you think that all of those game you listed above are going to be great?
What makes you think the games you could list will be great?
I personally think the NGC will have the best lineup this year (although many games have a good chance of being delayed [Zelda already being one of them!]). The Xbox and PS2 will be fighting for second place. Both of them have a big list of great games coming out for them this year, and that list can only grow next week at E3. Don\'t be so sure Sony is out of this "games" contest until you actually see what\'s coming out for it.
Don\'t get me wrong...the PS2 will have a strong lineup. Like I said earlier...based on line up (meaning current) it looks like Sony doesn\'t have as much ammo as last year. Can that change...of course. Am I the last word...not at all.
Project Ego, Unreal Championship, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue II, Phantasy Star, and Brute Force will be nice but do they trump over games like Metroid, Zelda, Mario (Shunshine, Golf, and Tennis), DK Racing, Resident Evil, Ratchet and Clank, FFXI, GTA4, Tekken 4, Ape Escape 2, Wild Arms 2, Xenosaga, Kingdom Hearts, Timesplitters 2 (probably the only online version if Sony paid them to save it for their online launch), Socom, The Getaway, Red Faction 2, Dark Cloud 2, Devil May Cry 2...
I think you took my post the wrong way...I meant it to be read as it looks like all the consoles have equally strong lineup with not one dominating force.
Remember, I have a PS2...I looking for some good games. I\'m personally looking forward to Ratchet and Clank, Primal, FFXI, Chrono Break, and Star Ocean 3 myself.
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Originally posted by mm
it didnt help my beloved dreamcast
They could have given it away for free and it still wouldn\'t have helped. 3rd parties matter and as I said before, DC couldn\'t get them.
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only major player it didnt have was EA
capcom gave the DC more support that any other console to date
sega wanted to try anything to get DC\'s into people\'s homes and rely on software sales to make up the revenue
same thing the........xbox.....is.....doing.....
what a minute, im seeing a connection!
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only major player it didnt have was EA
Konami, Namco, Capcom, EA, Square, Acclaim...minimal support.
Namco gave one game. Capcom gave one Resident Evil and some ports.
sega wanted to try anything to get DC\'s into people\'s homes and rely on software sales to make up the revenue
Sega is a niche...70% of high profiles games were provided by Sega. Too many people sitting on the fence because of bad past experiences.
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Originally posted by Ginko
What makes you think the games you could list will be great?
That was exactly my point, as I thought I made clear in the sentence following that one.
But I now see your point, it will be a very competitive year in the gaming industry, and like you said, it will probably be the deciding factor of the Xbox\'s life. (I personally think the Xbox will do just fine)
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namco and acclaim had all kind of DC games
how many fighting games did capcom bring to the DC? ask soulgrind, he\'ll list them all
the DC had RE 2, 3 and codename veronica for yer information
so yer saying lack of hardware sales killed the DC? or lack of software?
here\'s the DC game list
WOWZERS!
http://www.sega.com/images/dreamcast/the_dreamcast_checklist.pdf
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High profile games are a must and DC didn\'t get enough of them...
how many fighting games did capcom bring to the DC? ask soulgrind, he\'ll list them all
Fighting games are not a big draw...
the DC had RE 2, 3 and codename veronica for yer information
Codeveronica was a big game...one game won\'t cut it. Continued support is a must.
Namco brought over Soul Calibur...Awesome. And followed up/ended with Mr. Driller and Pacman. Somewhat disappointing don\'t you think...
so yer saying lack of hardware sales killed the DC? or lack of software?
Lack of 3rd party software and support...Sega was clearly the dominating contributor. PS2 has a nice draw from all directions...as PS did.
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i still think the DC had way more A+ titles than any other console alive and that still wasnt enough to save it
*sniff*
my poor, poor DC
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The DC gave some good Sega love...not for everyone. Not enough anyway....
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Originally posted by Clowd
never heard of them, and if i havent 50% of gamers havent either well at least console gamers so they wont sell, i know if they came out on play station two i wouldnt buy them. i know those are the xbox games... do they think they can win the console war with pc ports (dunno if those games are pc ports or not)
I\'m sorry, I wasnt going to take part in this thread, but I just had to after reading this post. By the way, this isnt a flame on Clowd, so please don\'t take it personally.
Personally, I don\'t really care much for the xbox right now. Whenever they release good games, and whenever I get the dire urge to go buy one, I will invest in one, and I\'ll probably love it.
HOWEVER, I just wanted to point out here that if you do not know what SHENMUE and PHANTASY STAR is, then you really need to do some homework before you start posting things like "they sound like PC ports." Look into it.
I\'m a die-hard Sony fan (I have to admit it) but before that, I\'m a die hard gamer if anything. I personally never liked the Dreamcast, but I loved many of the games that Sega had on that system, so I invested in the system and had fun with it.
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:eek:
- Tell me someone didn\'t just refer to all the Sega games coming out as PC ports?!??! Shenmue 2 a PC port? Damnit, for your information it is a DC port! Notice the \'D\' , it is not a \'P\'!
- The DC was the greatest in the last two generations. Then again, I say this because Sega provided excellent titles and my favorite 3rd party, Capcom also supported the system to the very end, just like they did with the Saturn (err..Final Fight Revenge!).
- There is no way this new price drop for MS can be looked upon positive from a business perspective. Now MS is losing even more money with each console sold , then you take in account that Sony went and lowered their price to try (and most likely) kill any advantages of MS\'s $100 dollar price drop.
Also take in account on how it looks to the consumers. Here is this new console, that has not been out even a year and the price continues to drop and it isn\'t even near the holiday season (when price drops are usually expected). It doesn\'t look good. Now, I\'m not saying people won\'t buy it, because I\'m sure there is quite a few people who will jump on the recent price drop, but for a lot of people it looks like a last ditch effort to gain some market share and the sad part is, it is a last ditch effort.
As for Nintendo, I don\'t think it is going to effect them one way or another. They launched at $200 (a wise choice) and they can stay there for alittle while longer if they want. Or if they want to be real smart, stay at the price until the big first party titles come out (Mario, Zelda, Metriod and etc) and then lower it by fifty dollars. Gurantee\'d success!
- Xbox games are coming out way to slow, as are NGC games. The problem is, even though this is slow season, if MS keeps dropping the price on the Xbox, they have to have some way to make up their money and that would be to rely on software sales. Problem is, they have no software at this point. Any great big titles are almost all Sega and no firm release date on those at this point, not to mention most those games are niche games, such as Shenmue2. You said yourself Ginko, Sega is a niche\' and so are their games. Those games may be great (and most likely will) but if Sega has always been a niche\', I think you can look to see their games remain the same , espically on a console with such a small userbase such as the Xbox.
So where exactly is MS going to make their money?
- E3 is next week and it is going to be MS\'s last straw, if it isn\'t already too late. We can expect to see the year\'s lineup for Sony. We can also expect to see first impressions of Nintendo\'s very strong first and second party lineup, along with release dates. MS is going to have to do something drastic to gain any attenion throughout E3 and I just don\'t see what they are going to be able to do. Of course, there is a couple of games that will draw attenion at the Xbox\'s booth (Panzer Dragoon!) but I don\'t think that is enough to gain commercial interest. Unless MS is hiding something for E3, it looks to be a repeat of last year\'s E3. Very dissapointing.
- Finally, among all this negative stuff, I\'d like to say one thing... WoooohoOOooo! All consoles are $200 dollars. This is a great thing indeed for consumers.
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as usual, i concur with everything that comes out of LIC\'s mouth
*hint*ya gotta use more sarcasm when you refer to the xbox, tho
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Originally posted by mm
as usual, i concur with everything that comes out of LIC\'s mouth
*hint*ya gotta use more sarcasm when you refer to the xbox, tho
Damnit! I knew I was forgetting something in my above post. Thanks for reminding me, MM. ;)
Oh and one more thing. If NIntendo really wants to sell some units, they don\'t need to drop the price at all. Instead, just wait until Mario comes out, offer it as a pack in for the same price ($200). Techinically, the console would be $150 and then another $50 for the game. It would keep the price at $200 and in the minds of the consumers they would get a "free" pack-in game of one of gaming\'s most beloved characters.
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Sad thing about dc is just nobody gave it respect. Had great games on it and consumer act as if it didn\'t exist. Well when dc droped the price ppl started noticing it then, but sadly it was far too late:( I wish sega would have lanched dc at 149.99 or something because they ended up selling it for 50.
I think a lower dc launch price could have change things for sega and I could be looking forward to DC2.
But xbox is about to drop some great games and I can\'t wait.
Besides Square, xbox has all the top developers making games for the system.
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wtf ever happened to pack in games?
the sega master system did it best
it had two games, BURNED INTO THE CONSOLE itself
just turn it on with no game in the slot, and they would load up
what was the last console to come with a packin game? the SNES and genesis? i thought the 3DO came with one, but i cant remember.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Damnit! I knew I was forgetting something in my above post. Thanks for reminding me, MM. ;)
Oh and one more thing. If NIntendo really wants to sell some units, they don\'t need to drop the price at all. Instead, just wait until Mario comes out, offer it as a pack in for the same price ($200). Techinically, the console would be $150 and then another $50 for the game. It would keep the price at $200 and in the minds of the consumers they would get a "free" pack-in game of one of gaming\'s most beloved characters.
They probably would have my money:D
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Besides Square, xbox has all the top developers making games for the system
yeah, and porting them to and from the PS2, GC, and PC
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Originally posted by mm
wtf ever happened to pack in games?
the sega master system did it best
it had two games, BURNED INTO THE CONSOLE itself
just turn it on with no game in the slot, and they would load up
what was the last console to come with a packin game? the SNES and genesis? i thought the 3DO came with one, but i cant remember.
I believe the original 3DO model (Panasonic) came with a pack-in game called "Crash\'N\'Burn".
The Saturn also had a pack-in game, with "Clockwork Knight", if I remember correctly. I\'m not sure that was the name of it, but either way it was a platform game.
Then again, I may be wrong on both systems.
Imagine that?
;)
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the saturn was 399$ at launch and included NO pack in games
you are correct LIC, the panasonic 3DO came with a demo disk and Crash n\' Burn
the Goldstar 3DO came with nothing
both launched for $599 USD :eek:
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Darn, I thought the Saturn came with a game. I remember the surprise launch and the price tag and I also remember not being able to afford one....I eventually bought a Saturn when it came with three free games (Virtua Cop, VF2 and Daytona USA).
By the way, Crash\'N\'Burn is terrible. I own it . I can\'t imagine anyone playing the demo for that and then thinking, "wow, I have to buy that game".
On another note, the comment about the Xbox having "all the top developers". I\'d like to make note that the 3DO also had "all the top developers" developing for it. Did it help? No.
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Ha! I loved Crash\'N\'Burn. After spending $750 beans and no games wouldn\'t you? ;)
Ace
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Nostalgia time...
Master System was the last stand alone console to play games on 2 different formats.
Right?
Turbo Duo doesn\'t count as the CD was originally separate.
By the way, what were the 2 games loaded into the console itself? Snail Maze and......?
Ginko...
Capcom did support the DC well and not just with RE.
M v C 1 & 2, SF 3: DI & 3rd Strike, some shooters, Cannon Spike, JoJo\'s Bizarre Adventure, Dino Crisis, etc.
Compared to Sony, Nintendo, & MS, the DC still has more support, for now.
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the built in games on the SMS were hang-on and safari hunt.
alex kidd relaced those in later models
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Capcom was the strongest supporter for the DC from day one and until the very end. The amazing thing was, Capcom supported them in a wide range of genre\'s, as mentioned by Ash. Yes, they did put out RE:CV, but they also put out the Street Fighter series, Marvel vs Capcom franchise and then they even went on to put out a couple shooters, one notable one being the great Cannon Spike. Capcom was the leading third party support for Sega durin\' the Saturn era and they continued the trend during the DC. And if you look at any of the systems at this point, you still won\'t see such strong support from Capcom, as compared to their ventures with Sega.
Odd, isn\'t it?
;)
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HANS STRUDLEPANTS!!!!!!! By god, when consoles compete you win!
Wahoo, once price drop leads to another, savings for everyone!
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Capcom was the strongest supporter for the DC from day one and until the very end. The amazing thing was, Capcom supported them in a wide range of genre\'s, as mentioned by Ash. Yes, they did put out RE:CV, but they also put out the Street Fighter series, Marvel vs Capcom franchise and then they even went on to put out a couple shooters, one notable one being the great Cannon Spike. Capcom was the leading third party support for Sega durin\' the Saturn era and they continued the trend during the DC. And if you look at any of the systems at this point, you still won\'t see such strong support from Capcom, as compared to their ventures with Sega.
Odd, isn\'t it?
;)
I thought Cannon Spike was rather shallow and boring. Beat it once and that was about it. Expected Contra and got.....something NOT Contra.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Why not just try to enjoy all the freaking consoles and leave that other BS alone? I mean some of you people on this forum want the box to fail so bad and thats sad.
I mean all that "ps2killah" mess is just bull. Grow up people. I men babbling back and forth on which console sucks is just stupid. They both are great and all of you just look like fools.
It\'s sad people just can\'t sit down and enjoy the games what if we didn\'t have xbox,ps2, or gamecube then were would we be?
199 is great I hope xbox sales more console because it is a great console. I want a gamecube even though I am not so hyped about the controller. I am still holding my breath on Nintendo to drop down to 99$:D Even if they don\'t lower it I will still get one.
You don\'t have to hope, XBox will sell more consoles. With the price drop and E3 right around the corner, XBox will have a bright future. All 3 companies will benefit.
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Originally posted by gameomania
You don\'t have to hope, XBox will sell more consoles. With the price drop and E3 right around the corner, XBox will have a bright future. All 3 companies will benefit.
[NOT counting JAPAN and Europe]
Yup the X box Future is a Bright and happy one :D.
[Counting JAPAN and Europe]
Oh my God.... what went wrong :(
:laughing: :laughing:
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All consoles are great? Would you buy a car that was leaking oil? Most people dont have money to waste. Just buy the Playstation 2 and nothing else until they prove they can have the quality of Playstation 2 and the 3rd party support.
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Buy what you want and don\'t be a mind numbed robot.
If you like it, buy it.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
Buy what you want and don\'t be a mind numbed robot.
:nerd: :laughing: :laughing:
Sony forever!
:alien:
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Sony, MS, Nintendo, Atari, 3DO . . . no wait, not 3DO, just give me games.;)
Ace
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Originally posted by Clowd
All consoles are great? Would you buy a car that was leaking oil? Most people dont have money to waste. Just buy the Playstation 2 and nothing else until they prove they can have the quality of Playstation 2 and the 3rd party support.
Or just buy Gamecube, like I did. That was SO the right choice :p
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How about you buy the ****ing console you want and not care what anyone else ****ing buys and everyone lives ****ingly happily ever after.
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NO! you got it all wrong! Buy ONLY Playstation brand! Ken Kutuargi loves you! Bill Gates just wants your money!
Besides everyone is getting a Playstation! Do what everyone else is doing!
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PS2 rocks. I just got one this friday with 2 games, Dynasty warriors 3 and FFX. Awesome. Got 2 more on Ebay for 20 bucks each, both games I wanted.
At the store (and this is in New York not some hillbilly store), the PS2 game shelves were twice as big as the Xbox game shelves. One Xbox game shelve would have 2 games just spread out all over it. LOL. I wouldnt buy Xbox now for even 100. What would I do with it. My friend has one and almost every time I rented a game I was pissed about my wasted money.
But even with all the promises and super power graphics and blah blah (like it has been said for 6 months), still why buy now and wait. If Xbox becomes great, buy it then. It will be 50 bucks by then :laughing:
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:laughing:
errrrr, :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by 420blunt
My friend has one and almost every time I rented a game I was pissed about my wasted money.
Hmm he talks of a Firend that has a X box and is regretting ever getting one.
Hey MM could that be you ;)
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no way man, my friends have class
oh, you mean about my xbox, :)
i wouldnt say i regret it, for $35 more, i was able to make it play DVD movies
/me shrugs