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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Chrono on May 15, 2002, 04:10:06 PM
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EA said that Madden will be an online game.. on the ps2,
but in the press release the xbox was not mentioned..
Strange?
well, it is assuming I did not miss any news, but I figured I would have heard a fanboy ranting how its online the xbox but the ps2 had not been annouced cause the BB/56k was not included :rolleyes:
Perhaps this "MS controlls everything in the online gaming part" is not making developers like EA happy
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i\'d be pissed too if i was a developer
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They were pissed..
read this
"We are still in discussions, but at this point it does not appear that EA Games or that \'Madden Football\' will support the online features of the Xbox this year," EA spokesman Jeff Brown told Reuters. "
Poor poor xbox fanboys, bought your console with the super BB but MS is so god darn stupid that you can\'t play online.. now this is REALLY hillarious
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What about GC? Nintendo just annouced real plans now but it would be advantageous to EA to add support. They have the servers already and they are making the game anyway, plus they\'d get a price break from Nintendo.
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IGN Just confirmed that the xbox version of madden will not be online.
To all the xbox fanboys on this forum who said that this was the best plan for developers, you were very very wrong.
and proof that its 100% MS\'s fault
In the press release
"We feel confident about the business model presented by SCEA and their choice of an open technology infrastructure for providers and consumers."
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me points at directbox and in the best possible "nelson" voice i can muster
"HAHA, YOU IDIOT!"
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what about x box? it is dying quickly i know curators of abe odyessy are kicking them selves now for selling out to one of the if not the biggest dissapointment of the 21 st century
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Originally posted by Clowd
curators
Creators?
(Chases Clowd with a rake)
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I will play Fever 2003 online. Some other xbox owners will play NFL2k3 online. I like Fever better than Madden anyways.
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:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
More bad news for M$
oh this gets better and better......
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of course G.A.
you could play that new "poop on a stick" game online and desperate fans would say thats its the best thing since sliced cheese
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B b b bu. .but the Xbox was supposed to be the online console? :eek:
Xbox greediness ruins for them... again :laughing:
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honestly tho, this is GRAVE news
EA is one of the major players in the dev community, and if THEY dont wanna come to the m$ table, what about the smaller devs?
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hmm the worry list for Gates grows day by day... poor Billy
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at this rate Prob\' not ;)
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EA becomes more blunt
"EA is apparently weary of entering into an agreement with Microsoft because its online games service forces publishers to offer their online games on servers controlled by Microsoft. Not only does this give Microsoft access to information about customers, but can cut into third-party profits.
"We understand and like Sony\'s business model, and we don\'t yet understand Microsoft\'s," John Riccitiello, president of Electronic Arts, stated in the article. "The die has been cast in this generation, and we know Sony has won."
However, Microsoft is optimistic that the two will be able to come to a conclusion soon. "We\'re in discussions to bring their games to the Xbox service," David Hufford, Xbox product manager, also stated in the article. "It took us a while to convince them to write their games for our platform and it will take some time for both companies to get together and discuss this." "
Glad someone stood up to MS, I bet you will never see FFXI on the xbox now..
*wonders what capcom, namco, and konami are thinking*
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two points
#1 The die has been cast in this generation, and we know Sony has won
*applause*
#2 However, Microsoft is optimistic that the two will be able to come to a conclusion soon.
what that means "hey EA, here\'s a fat frickin dumptruck of cash, whos yer pimp?" i can see the headlines now
MICRO$OFT BUYS ELECTRONIC ARTS! for 524 million in stock options!
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The FACT is, MS\'s plan is best for consumers...greedy third parties are the ones who will make less money off of this. This is because MS will have everything on one secure, centralized server and consumers will have to pay ONE fee to play. Not 1 for EA, 1 for Sega, 1 for Sony, etc. like you will HAVE to pay (unless they decide the game will be free...fat chance) on PS2 because only first party stuff will be centralized.
You guys whine about what is bad for developers, but NONE of you are developers. Besides, this is best for everything but money for developers. They will have to add one simple code to their games and not worry about 56k or broadband, Sony\'s servers or running their own, etc.
Why the hell would you want to play EA\'s sports games when Sega announced theirs will be on both consoles online anyways? hmmmm, NBA2K3 or NBA Live 2003??? HMMMMMMMMMMM...hmmmmmmmmm...hmmmmmmmm.
In the end, consumers win on the XBox.
I had a friend who bought one yesterday and I went over there and he basically said "I take everything back about the XBox. It says "now saving" and I realize I don\'t have a memory card! Nothing is cheap on the console. The controller cords and the system cords are thick and sturdy and the connectors are gold tipped, plus the breakaway cords are nice."
We played DOA3 for a while (which gets way more flack then it deserves, btw) and we talked about how cool PSO will be (again) and Unreal Championship, etc.
Eric Jacob
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BTW, you guys really don\'t think that EA didn\'t receive some sort of reward for this action, do you? Especially since with XBox you are guaranteed everyone to have ability, but with PS2 everything id done through addons? Notice how GC, another system that makes it incredibly easy for developers (games must be free though, right?) is not getting EA sports online either? hmmmm...
Eric Jacob
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you really dont think EA, [and other devs] will charge me to play madden 2k3 [and other games] online do you?
most games are peer to peer, requiring NO central server
i didnt see sega charging jack poop to play thier titles on the DC
i have to pay m$ a monthly fee to play online on xbox, plus the cost of the game.
i have to pay a store 45$ ONE TIME to play [non mmorpg\'s] online on ps2
oh the scales are a teetering
how did much yer friend pay to be able to watch DVD\'s on this xbox? how much did he pay so he could hear digital sound output on his xbox? oh yeah, thats right
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Sega charges $15 for 3 months on PSO V2.
But, its still free for V1 players.
Plus, online out of the box.
Sega > Sony & MS!!!
;)
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i can respect any institution charging for MMORPG\'s
thats to be excepted
but sega never charged for anything else
now will sony
you initally pay for the cost of the adaptor, 40$
you pay for the title, obviously
thats it folks
i pay 40$ a month for my cable connection
ill be damned if im gonna pay m$ more just to play online
they can kiss muh ass
indeed
sega > nintendo + sony + m$
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Even Sega started charging for EVERYTHING later on down the road, they were losing money on online games. EA (the king of money > quality) will almost definetly make you pay for their online games, Sony has theirs, PlayOnline makes you pay, etc,etc,etc.
MS is a once a month fee for everything, and when PSO, Sega GT 2002, Unreal, Doom 3, Farnation (rumored), etc. start coming out you will thank MS for it\'s flat rate.
Eric Jacob
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The FACT is, MS\'s plan is best for consumers...greedy third parties are the ones who will make less money off of this. This is because MS will have everything on one secure, centralized server and consumers will have to pay ONE fee to play. Not 1 for EA, 1 for Sega, 1 for Sony, etc. like you will HAVE to pay (unless they decide the game will be free...fat chance) on PS2 because only first party stuff will be centralized.
nice FACT you\'ve got there Altered. I\'m dying to hear from those, what was it again?, ~80% that don\'t have broadband enabled. I\'m sure they love MS and couldn\'t agree more with you how MS\'s plan is the best for consumers. :rolleyes:
Thus MS\'s plan, we have EA being one of the largest software companies with uncertain plans regarding Xbox games being online. Got to love how you lable this as fact... LMAO.
And btw; your little customers buying Xbox\'s and being happy have absolutely no relevance but in your own little world maybe.
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I\'m gonna have to agree with Alterbeast here. Yes, Sony\'s is more attractive to big 3rd party developers now, but it\'ll scare smaller ones. The Xbox\'s online plans will get almost all the smaller 3rd pary developers, plus it will be cheaper and easier to use by the consumer (not to mention the experience MS has with dealing with online gaming, which will also give them an edge). In the long run, even with being Broadband only, it will have more and better games and be much more attractive to most gamers. No matter how much Sony & others claim that their plan is better, they\'re not:D.
Look at many other industries. In Europe where cellphones have standardized communication protocols, cellphone service is a lot better and more popular than in the US, where they don\'t exist. And Microsoft\'s plan gives just that; stardardization.
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Originally posted by Chrono
IGN Just confirmed that the xbox version of madden will not be online.
To all the xbox fanboys on this forum who said that this was the best plan for developers, you were very very wrong.
and proof that its 100% MS\'s fault
In the press release
"We feel confident about the business model presented by SCEA and their choice of an open technology infrastructure for providers and consumers."
I still believe it is the best plan. You\'ll be singing a different tune when you\'re paying separate online fees for every onlinegame you own. EA isn\'t supporting Xbox Live for the same reason FFXI isn\'t coming to the Xbox. EASquare wants to charge a seperate fee while Microsoft wants a "one-price for all" strategy. I prefer paying one price for everything that I play online.
If EA is charging you to play Madden, what\'s stopping the smaller developers from doing the same thing? Imagine this scenario:
You own 10 online games for your PS2, 3 of those games charge a $10 a month fee to play online. That\'s $30 a month you have to get off of on top of your ISP fee. $30 a month is your cut-off point, anything over that is a no no. But what if a totally killer online game comes out for the PS2 that you just have to get? But it charges $10 a month...you\'re going to have to dump one of your games just to play that one.
With Xbox Live I pay a flat fee (whatever it is) to play as many games as I want. I like paying one fee for everything, I don\'t want 10 different bills coming to my mailbox from 10 different developers...forget that. I\'ll sacrafice a shoddy PS2 port for two more online Xbox games.
Also, maybe if some of you would take time to take off the fanboy glasses you would see that EA has little competition on the PS2. On the Xbox, EA has to compete with two strong franchises, Microsoft\'s NFL Fever 2003 and NFL 2K3, both of which will be online. I haven\'t played a Madden game since Madden \'98 on the Sega Saturn and NBA Live sucks, so I could give two ****s about their decision.
Xbox Live: Great for gamers
PS2 Online: Great for developers
That\'s what it all boils down to.
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The Xbox\'s online plans will get almost all the smaller 3rd pary developers, plus it will be cheaper and easier to use by the consumer
I really doubt that... hence the fact that there is much more to gain on Sony\'s hardware where not 80% of the US online community is neglected. But maybe you can convince me otherwise? ;)
(not to mention the experience MS has with dealing with online gaming, which will also give them an edge). In the long run, even with being Broadband only, it will have more and better games and be much more attractive to most gamers.
Hum, it isn\'t that Sony doesn\'t have any knowledge/experience in this field. :rolleyes: and again, how can it be better and more attractive to most gamers, if there are only about 20% of them that can effectively use it?
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I don\'t really care if a game is online or not I am not big on online gaming anyways. And I only have t3 at school and 56k at home sucks:(
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You\'re not alone, Quddus.
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Originally posted by seven
nice FACT you\'ve got there Altered. I\'m dying to hear from those, what was it again?, ~80% that don\'t have broadband enabled. I\'m sure they love MS and couldn\'t agree more with you how MS\'s plan is the best for consumers.
I have BB, and I don\'t care about those who don\'t.:p
Xbox Live: Great for gamers
PS2 Online: Great for developers
That\'s what it all boils down to.
Well, if it\'s good enough for gamers to buy it, developers will come, especially the small ones that can\'t afford their network.
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what dont you guys understand about games being peer to peer
i dont see THPS 3 charging to play?
you think socom is gonna have a monthly fee?
all non-MMORPG PS2 games WILL BE FRICKIN FREE TO PLAY AFTER YOU BUY THE ADAPTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
most people pay 40$ or more for thier broadband connection, you think they want to pay more to play online?
why on earth would i pay MORE money to play online xbox madden 2003 WHEN I CAN JUST PLAY THE FRICKIN PC VERSION FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
again, PS2 online gaming [except MMORPG\'s] - FREE
xbox online gaming - monthly fee to play any online game
Xbox Live: Great for gamers
dont you think for a damn second that m$ or ANY other company is doing ANYTHING for "the gamers"
m$ is charging a monthly fee to make up the MILLIONS they are losing on hardware sales. they sure as hell cant count on software sales to do that
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Maybe Madden won\'t have a charge connected, but when EA figures they are losing money setting up the lobbies and etc., they will tack on an amount for all EA games, Sony already has a flat fee for first party stuff, Squares titles will be pay to play, with extra money for every character you use, etc.
100% of the online community does NOT play videogames at all. Of the percentage of people who play and buy videogames, another small percent will play them online. Of that percent, it is close to 50% of the online gamers use broadband exclusively to play. MS is hardly shutting out 80% of everyone that goes online. People who play online games use broadband. The number of bb users is HORRIBLY understated, btw. I am going to college next semester, they have T3s hooked up, along with nearly EVERY other college in America has. 18-25 year olds make a big chunk of gamers and I know many people who buy PS2 and XBox at my work are currently in college.
Your numbers are guesswork :)
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Maybe Madden won\'t have a charge connected, but when EA figures they are losing money setting up the lobbies and etc., they will tack on an amount for all EA games
Setting up lobbies? Come on now. Do you really think they\'ll charge a monthly fee to cover the lobby costs? Do they charge a monthly fee for the EA web page? Does games.yahoo charge a monthly fee for its millions of users?
They will be making more money with the sales of their games than they will be losing with their online lobbies. There will also be a lot of EA games not online which will also help cover the costs.
Sony already has a flat fee for first party stuff, Squares titles will be pay to play, with extra money for every character you use, etc.
Are you sure you\'ve got your facts straight? Twisted Metal Black online will not have a monthly cost. Socom will not have a monthly cost. Both of them are first party PS2 games. The only two games that will have a monthly cost is Everquest and FFXI -- both of which are MMORPGs. And chances are most people won\'t be playing two MMORPGs at the same time, so we\'ll only have to worry about one of those costs.
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you wanna talk guesswork? hmmmph
broadband users are a small minority of online users
VERY small
you think those same college students wanna pay a monthly fee to play xbox online when they can play CS for free?
how many times to i have to say it before it sinks in
all non-MMORPG\'s PS2 online games will be free to play
you dont see any non-MMORPG\'s PC online games charging a monthly fee do you? thats a business model that doesnt work, unless you give the users content, which MMORPG\'s do
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Originally posted by IronFist
Are you sure you\'ve got your facts straight? Twisted Metal Black online will not have a monthly cost. Socom will not have a monthly cost. Both of them are first party PS2 games. The only two games that will have a monthly cost is Everquest and FFXI -- both of which are MMORPGs. And chances are most people won\'t be playing two MMORPGs at the same time, so we\'ll only have to worry about one of those costs.
That is correct.
Kaz-san (Kaz Hari of SCEA) has said that all Sony 1st party games will be free. (those being, Frequency, Socom US Navy Seals, Twisted Metal Black ect)
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I figured the xbox fanboys would find a way to have this be good news, and be all EA\'s fault.. lol,
but unlike some times where they have some sorta ground to stand on with their argument, they don\'t this time.
This is bad news, deal with it, your the people who bought the xbox thinking it will be the online king.
While i\'m the person who knows what kinda company MS is, and did not buy the xbox thinking things like this would happen.
It feels so good to be right :D
Now lets see what the other companies choose.. only days till we know
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Originally posted by G. A.
I will play Fever 2003 online. Some other xbox owners will play NFL2k3 online. I like Fever better than Madden anyways.
I have both Madden 2002 and Fever 2002. I used to think that Fever was better but after playing Madden a bit more, I think it is not better ,just different. I like both games equally. To bad the new versions of each game couldn\'t be on line. I bet MS did this on purpose to try and sell more copies of Fever 2003.
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so fever wont be online either? :eek:
anyways. m$ doesnt like to relenquish control to anyone
thats why they are doing this. they have to raise capital somehow.
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Ehhh... do you people realize it\'s $13 a month to play Everquest... I\'ve got a job, I know the difference between quality and being overcharged...
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
Ehhh... do you people realize it\'s $13 a month to play Everquest... I\'ve got a job, I know the difference between quality and being overcharged...
Are you referring to the PC Everquest? Because I don\'t think Sony has announced the pricing for the PS2 Everquest yet. And did you realize that it is FREE to play Socom, TMB, Timsplitter 2 (this will most likely be online), Frequency (which comes free with the 56k/Broadband adapter), Tony Hawk 3/4, Tribes, etc... Hey, not a bad deal! :)
I do see the benefits of both online plans, but at this point, Sony\'s is looking slightly better to me. This could all change though if individual companies start charging for there online games (which would be the demise of PS2 online IMO).
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if 13$ is too much, than why do they have 500,000 plus subscribers?
thats 6.5 million $ a month :eek:
all going into the pockets of a sony owned company
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i\'m not saying it\'s tooo much, I\'m simply saying if people are willing to play $13 a month for one game, PS2 will have no problems finding subscribers.
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If Sega announces Farnation at E3, paying for XBox Live will become more than worth it.
Eric Jacob
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Why cant it just be like the good old days of XBand!!??! Where you got to play all the EA games online for like 20 bucs a month unlimited!! Ahhh...those were the days.