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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: pstwo on May 21, 2002, 10:03:50 AM
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Amazing!! :D
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That does look amazing.
But, and I don\'t mean this in any kind of bashing way or anything, I don\'t want any Xbox fanboys jumping down my throat, after seeing the latest Ratchet and Clank screens, I\'m completely convinced PS2 could do this game without a sweat. After today, these screens above don\'t impress me as much as they used to.
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This is my most anticipated game on any of the next-gen consoles. If they fudge it up, there will be hell to pay.
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I must say, with all that has gone wrong for X-box so far, this game definitely appears to give the system a lot of hope for the future. If I were to get an X-box down the road, based on what I\'ve heard, it would be for this game.
But, yeah, I sure do hope they don\'t screw it up.
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Originally posted by nataku
That does look amazing.
But, and I don\'t mean this in any kind of bashing way or anything, I don\'t want any Xbox fanboys jumping down my throat, after seeing the latest Ratchet and Clank screens, I\'m completely convinced PS2 could do this game without a sweat. After today, these screens above don\'t impress me as much as they used to.
Well I think I have to disagree.... What PS2 is showing now is
that it can absolutely be on par with Xbox and NGC when it comes
to drawing massive amounts of solid geometry as well as fluid
animation and lotsa frames per second. The point where the
NGC and the Xbox do have an advantage imo is the special fx
department. By that I mean the amount of lighting and lighting
fx. Look at MGS2 ; the game has alot of places where the
characters don\'t even have a decent shadow. If you look at Ratchet & Clank you see the same there. Project Ego has mad
amounts of "Fur" geometry and lighting fx. I think PS2 would have
a hard time dealing with that.
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Originally posted by nataku
That does look amazing.
But, and I don\'t mean this in any kind of bashing way or anything, I don\'t want any Xbox fanboys jumping down my throat, after seeing the latest Ratchet and Clank screens, I\'m completely convinced PS2 could do this game without a sweat. After today, these screens above don\'t impress me as much as they used to.
Well, I\'ve seen the Ratchet and Clank screens, and I must say this:
Look very closely at the screens of PG. You\'ll see that the polygon count is much higher than in R&C. Not only that, you\'ll see that the texturing goes through the roof on this one, and texturing is PS2\'s biggest weakness(I\'ve sort of addressed this here:http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21239&pagenumber=3). If Ratchet and Clank is any indication, then the PS2 could not even close to doing this game.
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Ico had wonderful lightning and so did Silent Hill 2 and Baulders Gate... maybe MGS2 didn\'t have decent shadows at all times, but it sure had some of the best visual effects and lightning in a game to date (if not best). Shadows aren\'t everything and I doubt Project Ego has shadows on every object outthere. And btw; MGS2 is out since November 2001 - when\'s Project Ego coming?
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This is the amazing part, Your face will be shape by your past...........Your future will be shape by you.[/b] WOW!!!
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Originally posted by nonamer
Well, I\'ve seen the Ratchet and Clank screens, and I must say this:
Look very closely at the screens of PG. You\'ll see that the polygon count is much higher than in R&C. Not only that, you\'ll see that the texturing goes through the roof on this one, and texturing is PS2\'s biggest weakness(I\'ve sort of addressed this here:http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21239&pagenumber=3). If Ratchet and Clank is any indication, then the PS2 could not even close to doing this game.
Oh and nonamer, I laugh at your comment about the polygon counts regarding both games.
1. It amuses me when people compare screens to videos - and then speculating about which games uses more polygons.
2. Rachet & Clark has A LOT of polygons. I don\'t know how you manage to overlook the city area and that you can view anything from anywhere.
3. The above screens of Project Ego, while impressive, still remains uncertain until in-game movie footage is shown. For all we know, this could be yet another game running at 30 fps or choppy framerate (I doubt it, but those are just screens, no matter how impressive they look).
4. Texture quality? I think both games concentrate on different aspects (Rachet and Clank on polygons, Project Ego more on realism/textures) - but textures are FAR from bad in Rachet and Clank. Just because it\'s cartoony doesn\'t mean the texture quality is lower.
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Yeah.. Ratchet and Clank pushes nowhere the number of polygons that Project Ego uses.. I mean just look at it.. :rolleyes:
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Yum!! Those look REALLY good...please don\'t screw it over.
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Originally posted by fastson
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That pic is misleading... . .
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Originally posted by Clowd
That pic is misleading... . .
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It isnt any more impressive then downtown in Twisted Metal Black
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Well I think I have to disagree.... What PS2 is showing now is
that it can absolutely be on par with Xbox and NGC when it comes
to drawing massive amounts of solid geometry as well as fluid
animation and lotsa frames per second. The point where the
NGC and the Xbox do have an advantage imo is the special fx
department. By that I mean the amount of lighting and lighting
fx. Look at MGS2 ; the game has alot of places where the
characters don\'t even have a decent shadow. If you look at Ratchet & Clank you see the same there. Project Ego has mad
amounts of "Fur" geometry and lighting fx. I think PS2 would have
a hard time dealing with that.
The way Sony built the PS2 they were able to get a lot more out of less, they really thought about what they were doing and were really innovative about it. One of the PS2\'s biggest strenghts is supposed to be special effects, it\'s supposed to excel in that area. Maybe it\'s just me, but I think everyone is still underestimating the system just like before.
It all depends on the developer to get to know the hardware. ICO proved PS2 can do great lighting and shadows. Just because MGS2 didn\'t always have the best shadows on the characters doesn\'t mean the system can\'t do them great, it just means Konami didn\'t know the hardware very well at the time. As they work with it more, they\'ll get to know it better. It\'s the developers choice to get to know the hardware in order to get better performance out of it.
Sony knew they were making the PS2 hard to develop for, but they knew they were also putting it together in a way no one else has, they were really trying to introduce something new into the industry that no one has done before in hopes of making a new way to create consoles and get more out of less instead of just taking some parts off the shelf and throwing a system together.
Sorry, I\'ve gone off and rambled. :D I don\'t wanna put any of you to sleep. :snore:
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Originally posted by Clowd
It isnt any more impressive then downtown in Twisted Metal Black
What? That Ratchet and Clank screen is amazing!! Twisted Metal Black downtown is a joke.
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Originally posted by Clowd
It isnt any more impressive then downtown in Twisted Metal Black
:rolleyes:
Oh right.. Have you seen the video?
Oh.. Im wasting my time here on a little troll..
Next.
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Project Ego looks.........:eek: :eek: :eek: Thanks pstwo.
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Look closely at the screen shot. How many buildings are in it? If the developers of TWB wanted to make the buildings look like that they could have. But they went for the more realistic look.
How much animation is going on in that shot? None except for one thing.
Video? Where? I\'ll watch and then give my opinion.
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Looks impressive. Just like most X-box games do...
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Ratchet and Clank looks amazing and Project Ego is extremely impressive...I have no choice but to get both.:D
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Originally posted by Clowd
Look closely at the screen shot. How many buildings are in it? If the developers of TWB wanted to make the buildings look like that they could have. But they went for the more realistic look.
How much animation is going on in that shot? None except for one thing.
Video? Where? I\'ll watch and then give my opinion.
What the hell are you talking about? We are talking POLYGONS.. Not animation.. And for your info.. There is alot of animation going on in that pic.
When you see it in motion you\'ll understand..
Check the main forum for the trailer.. (My post)
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R&C looks great, but Ego looks so much more realistic.
tHE gameplay of ego is what has me not the graphics.
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Originally posted by nataku
The way Sony built the PS2 they were able to get a lot more out of less, they really thought about what they were doing and were really innovative about it. One of the PS2\'s biggest strenghts is supposed to be special effects, it\'s supposed to excel in that area.
Oh crap ! Thanx Nataku and Seven too ! You guys
are right ! I totally forgot about the ligting fx in Ico and SH2
( Knotter8 smacks head !)
Anyway, I\'m still impressed by the sheer amount of Fur
geometry which project ego has. Just look at all the grass
and plants ! But yeah Ico is my fav game now with top
visuals and I just saw The Getaway movies (ingame stuff)
and it totally ROCKS. So yeah, screens don\'t tell the whole
story !
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you know what the best thing out of all of this is
the PS2 is three years old
the xbox is 7 months old
think about it
dont say anything
just think about it
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mm you are so great you can say so much with so little I am trying to by like you.
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I think Project Ego is going to dissapoint a lot of gamers. Sure it\'ll probably go way beyond what\'s expected out of most games, but when you get down to brass tacks, it\'s not going to live up to the hype. It\'s the same way Shenmue goes way beyond what most console games strive for.. but it in no-way lives up to the hype that was first generated for it.
Hehe.. kinda funny actually.. people were all hyped up for a gameplay formula that\'s been around since the late 70\'s. Not to knock Shenmue.. it\'s a great game.. I love it.. but you have to appreceate the irony of it all.
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I agree with Sonyfan on this one. Project Ego looks great on paper, I mean, the idea of being able to do anything is truly the roots of an RPG world, but for me, the story in an RPG goes hand in hand with character development. I won\'t to be able to control my character and influence their development, but what\'s the point if there is no point in doing so? Be anything, do anything... Why? What\'s your motiviation? I can be a bum and do nothing, but if I actually want to beat the game, I do need to become something that can influence that correct? So why leave the option open to do nothing? It\'s just pointless.
As for the rest of the game (and the trailer from gamespot), the game looks great, but what about the gameplay? So far, we have established that the game doesn\'t have all that interesting of a story, great graphics, and has shown us absolutely no gameplay aspects whatsoever. Does anyone else wonder why? I know I do. Why do I want to wait for a game when the impressions that I get from PM is that I can do anything and be anything, but I also don\'t have to? Sounds awfully fishy to me. Oh well, back to waiting for Splinter Cell, the game that actually looks like fun.
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Originally posted by mm
you know what the best thing out of all of this is
the PS2 is three years old
the xbox is 7 months old
think about it
dont say anything
just think about it
actually the PS2 is only 2 years old as of March...
and not to burst anyone\'s bubble, but if you stop pissing yourself for a minute and really look at the pic or video...you\'ll start to notice flat textures...maybe it\'s just me though;)
and clowd, only mm could pull off being an ass so gracefully...you\'ll just get flamed for it.
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Actually, I was just commenting on the logistics of Gameplay promises vs. Hardware power + control limitations. Just like Shenmue, you\'re simply NOT going to be able to go anywhere you want to.. do what you want to do.. see what you want to see. You have to follow the paths the game developers layed out for you. To create a game like they\'re talking about, you\'d basically need a system that has a very advanced and true AI system.
Not to mention that you only have like what.. 12 - 13 buttons on the Xbox controller + an analog stick with which to control your onscreen Ego. There\'s just no way it\'s going to happen. A text parser would be the way to go to allow that kinda freedom in a game.. and even then it\'d have to be 1000x more robust than the ones found in early adventure games.
But yeah, I agree with Ryu also. Sure it\'ll be nice to have the options.. but with freedom, you limit storyline.. with no storyline.. where\'s the motivation? Where\'s the goal?
Maybe the hype has changed since I last heard people raving about the game. It\'s been awhile.. so I might be off base a little bit.. but still. I just don\'t see where it can possibly live up to what it promises.
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yeah, ive perfected it to an art, and still be respected for it in the morning :)
2 years, 3 years hmmph
moore\'s law would be shamed right now
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Originally posted by Rikku
and not to burst anyone\'s bubble, but if you stop pissing yourself for a minute and really look at the pic or video...you\'ll start to notice flat textures...maybe it\'s just me though;)
Go back a few posts and you will find my post...
The graphics are misleading.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Actually, I was just commenting on the logistics of Gameplay promises
What exactly, and for fact has Project Ego promised? To what scale? Have they been specific?
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Originally posted by Ryu
Why do I want to wait for a game when the impressions that I get from PM is that I can do anything and be anything, but I also don\'t have to? Sounds awfully fishy to me.
Taken from IGN\'s article on Project Ego:
Competitive Gameplay
As if all this weren\'t enough, there is plenty more to separate Project Ego from the rest of the RPG pack. Isn\'t it a bit strange that in most RPGs, you and your group of buddies are the only heroes in the entire world? To simulate a real environment as much as possible, Ego is filled with other heroes. And not all of them will be happy if you steal the spotlight. You may even find you have to defend yourself against a band of heroes looking to knock the rising star from his pedestal. Get too lackadaisical and Gregg the Destroyer will save the princess while you\'re sitting on your growing posterior.
I\'m sorry, I have read every interview and article on this game. PM and Big Blue Box seem to have every loose end tied up. I can\'t wait to play this game.
BTW, That pic that fastson posted has a lot less geometry going on than some of those Project Ego shots. It may look like there are a lot of polygonal things going on; but it is really some extensive bump-mapping. Similar to what was seen in the Deathstar trenches on Rogue Leader. If not, that is very impressive.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Go back a few posts and you will find my post...
The graphics are misleading.
Can you elaborate? Just PM me if you don\'t want to start anything here...
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I\'m sorry, I have read every interview and article on this game. PM and Big Blue Box seem to have every loose end tied up. I can\'t wait to play this game.
So the game can play itself and win.... Doesn\'t that just jump right back to my first big point of there not being any motivation to even play the game at all?
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^^^Ok, but why would you buy the game if you didn\'t want to play it? You can BS all day in a ton of games. That just adds to the replay value. Shenmue lets you BS for hours. GTA3 lets you BS for hours. Mario 64 lets you BS for hours. At least in Project Ego they took that into account and tried to give you something to do when not playing the actual game and maybe motivate you to play.
Just because you have the freedom to not play the actual storyline makes it a bad game? Since when did less linear gameplay make for a worse game?
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I\'m sure a few here could mention a list of titles which are pretty non-linear and in a negetive way. But anyhow, Gohan, my point is (at least) is that it\'s still going to be pretty damned linear. I\'ve heard a lot of hype about this game from some of the Xbox forums I read and alot of them think this is going to be some magical "You can do it all" type game where you\'ll actually be able to do anything that you want whenever you want to do it.
It\'s like, going back to Shenmue which (hype wise) is the closest compairison. Yeah, you can choose to sleep in.. play videogames all day.. build up a huge collection of collectable toys.. care for a kitten.. ect.. but there\'s far more things that you cannot do. If Tom wasn\'t giving me the answers about the Black car he saw speeding out of Doubita.. I can\'t pick him up by his collar and force him to tell me. I have to go by what\'s scripted. If I thought Nozomi was brushing Ryo off.. I could just go hit on Mickey (the chick with sunglasses in the barbershop who has the hots for Ryo).. but you can\'t. It\'s not scripted that way. If I wanted to buy that vase from the Antique shop.. I can\'t.. it\'s not scripted into the game.. I can only buy Martial Arts scrolls.
This is going to be true of Project Ego as well. You won\'t be able to create the character you want to.. you\'ll have a set of pre-made faces and option you have to choose from. You won\'t be able to do a lot of things simply because of the limitations of hardware and game development at this point.
F.R.E.E was hype.. and so is Ego. It\'s good to be excited over it, as I\'m sure it\'ll really raise the bar on non-linearity and game design. It\'s just not going to be what many people think it will be.
Rikku - What I meant was what the hype was promising. Lionhead studios hasn\'t been too forthcomming with a realistic look at what all will and will not be possible in the game.. and the imaginations of the gaming public has run a bit rampant. People are showing this game off as proof of "whatever" makes the Xbox the most powerful and innovative console this generation and some pretty wild claims/assumptions have been thrown about.
It\'s not what Lionhead promises of the game.. it\'s what the hype is. And I think we all know just how reliable hype is when it comes to giving a realistic depiction of just how a game (or system for that matter) will turn out.
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Originally posted by mm
you know what the best thing out of all of this is
the PS2 is three years old
the xbox is 7 months old
think about it
dont say anything
just think about it
(not to sure which way you are looking at that bit of text, but you are usally bashing the xbox lol, so i will look at it that way)
Yep i thought about what you are saying, and yes it is bad, that the developers still haven\'t found away to get good textures out of the PS2 while the Xbox doesn\'t seem to have any sort of problems in the graphics department, and i couldn\'t give a crap if people say it is just a PC, I LOVE NICE GRAPHICS and i don\'t care what they come out of as long as they are good.
I mean look at the GC, Resident Evil is one of the best graphical games i have ever seen the lighting the textures, the player models, and they have got that out of that console and it is what 7-8 months old, that is pretty damn good.
If a console last 5 years then the maker of that console, should look at the long term and what that console could be able to pump out in 4-5 years time, don\'t give people all this crap "yeah but PS2 is 3 years old" stop making excuses for it, i hear enough people saying about people making excuses for poor xbox sales.
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oops double post
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x box has almost maxed already while the PS2 has been only slightly tapped in. Consoles are different beasts, they arent like PCs (or that pc x box) you can dig here and there and find new ways to use its power and find more polygons here and there.
While I have heard from several souces x box is around 80% maxed while no game has pushed PS2 past 50%
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Originally posted by Knotter8
Project Ego has mad
amounts of "Fur" geometry and lighting fx. I think PS2 would have
a hard time dealing with that.
Im still wondering how they did a grass in project Ego, are they just loads of flat bitmaps or real volumetric effects.
Whatever it is it looks damn amazing.
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Originally posted by seven
Ico had wonderful lightning and so did Silent Hill 2 and Baulders Gate... maybe MGS2 didn\'t have decent shadows at all times, but it sure had some of the best visual effects and lightning in a game to date (if not best). Shadows aren\'t everything and I doubt Project Ego has shadows on every object outthere. And btw; MGS2 is out since November 2001 - when\'s Project Ego coming?
you are making a mistake there, shadows ARE what make games look realistic. Go look at some Doom III screenshots ;)
speaking of doom 3, why didnt they release any new shots yet?
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Originally posted by Clowd
x box has almost maxed already while the PS2 has been only slightly tapped in. Consoles are different beasts, they arent like PCs (or that pc x box) you can dig here and there and find new ways to use its power and find more polygons here and there.
While I have heard from several souces x box is around 80% maxed while no game has pushed PS2 past 50%
I really don\'t believe what you said there, there is always way to get more out of a console(which you said), which means that it can\'t be at 80% and the only reason the PS2 is at 50% is because developers haven\'t as of yet been about find ways around the PS2 to open up that untaped power, which isn\'t really much use.:D
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
I really don\'t believe what you said there, there is always way to get more out of a console(which you said), which means that it can\'t be at 80% and the only reason the PS2 is at 50% is because developers haven\'t as of yet been about find ways around the PS2 to open up that untaped power, which isn\'t really much use.:D
It cant be at 80%? x box technology has been out longer then the console. x box technology is not as advanced as PS2\'s.
the PS2 is like the PS1. The games will just get better and better. Not that the PS2 is hard to develop for its just different. Developers love x box for its technology since its so unoriginal, and they already have experience with it.
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Originally posted by Clowd
It cant be at 80%? x box technology has been out longer then the console. x box technology is not as advanced as PS2\'s.
the PS2 is like the PS1. The games will just get better and better. Not that the PS2 is hard to develop for its just different. Developers love x box for its technology since its so unoriginal, and they already have experience with it.
yep it is unoriginal, but why make something that no one will get the full use out of it, where as the xbox and cube you can get that power from the word go?
But as you said there is always ways to get more out of a console, so that must mean that Xbox games will always look nicer and nicer!!
Also to me the PS1 got to a certain point and then the games all looked the same, take GT1 and GT2 the graphics hardly changed between those two games, and they were what one year apart maybe more.
Also how long will it take to get the power out of the PS2? it has been out in Japan for what 3 years another two and the PS3 will probably be here!!
Let hope the new info they gave out about one of the vector units helps to get some of the power.
I am not against the PS2 i have some really good games on my PS2-DMC - MGS2 - Z.O.E - FFX to name a few, i just don\'t understand why people always have to make excusses, for something.
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Originally posted by Ethan_Hunt
the xbox and cube you can get that power from the word go?
But as you said there is always ways to get more out of a console, so that must mean that Xbox games will always look nicer and nicer!!
Because they are so simple to develop for also means that they max out quickly
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Yep i thought about what you are saying, and yes it is bad, that the developers still haven\'t found away to get good textures out of the PS2 while the Xbox doesn\'t seem to have any sort of problems in the graphics department, and i couldn\'t give a crap if people say it is just a PC, I LOVE NICE GRAPHICS and i don\'t care what they come out of as long as they are good.
Ethan, huh, hope you didn\'t mean that, because I could name you flaws from almost all[(i] Xbox games out at the moment in the graphics devision. Thinking of what Microsoft promised, those games I\'ve seen so far are quite disappointing (although I\'m convinced you\'ll argue that).
you are making a mistake there, shadows ARE what make games look realistic. Go look at some Doom III screenshots
Metal_Gear_Ray, no I didn\'t. I never said shadows don\'t make a game look realistic - I just said that MGS2 might not have had shadows at all time, but all the other effects are some of the best in current games. Disagree?
BTW; I do agree shadows make a game look more realistic, but I doubt there is any game at the moment that has shadows on every object and even more doubt that ProjectEgo has them based on the current screens.
I really don\'t believe what you said there, there is always way to get more out of a console(which you said), which means that it can\'t be at 80% and the only reason the PS2 is at 50% is because developers haven\'t as of yet been about find ways around the PS2 to open up that untaped power, which isn\'t really much use.
Ethan, I believe Clowd tried to point out that each system has their strengths and in the case of Xbox, it\'s clearly its more straight forward architecture design which lets developers do lots of great things with little effort. Since it\'s basically a PC architecture, Xbox has the advantage to be tapped fairly easy. It\'s no dumb estimate to say that Xbox is being pushed way more than PS2 at the moment.
And 80% (efficiancy) might be more accurate than you think. But how good you make a game look using [insert number]% of power is still up to talent of the developers.
BTW, That pic that fastson posted has a lot less geometry going on than some of those Project Ego shots. It (It? Which game?) may look like there are a lot of polygonal things going on; but it is really some extensive bump-mapping. Similar to what was seen in the Deathstar trenches on Rogue Leader. If not, that is very impressive.
Gohan, what do you mean? That Rachet and Clank does not have more geometry or that it does? It seems you are first refering to Rachet and Clank not having a lot of geometry, but than you start talking about how little geometry the Project Ego screens seem to use and that it\'s all done via extensive bump-mapping.
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yep it is unoriginal, but why make something that no one will get the full use out of it, where as the xbox and cube you can get that power from the word go?
Simple: freedom of development.[/u] With an architecture like that, developers can choose more ways than on any other system. You\'ll have to do everything by yourself, but with the effort, you can build your engines to take full advantage of your game and the system. Thanks to that, PS2 is more up to par with Xbox than Xbox being 3x more powerful like everyone seem to think. ;)
i just don\'t understand why people always have to make excusses, for something.
We\'re not making excuses. Simply proving what ignorant people have been saying and believing to be untrue.
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Does is really matter when 100% for XBox will always look better than 100% on PS2? Your percentages are BS, btw. You pulled them out of thin air and you may as well put them back.
Gohan said it best: (to paraphrase) just because a game is non-linear, it has to be bad? You can play PE along the storyline, which will make the game as linear as you can get. Or you can venture out and kill things, collect things, do side quests, etc. It may not be as open as the developers who have hyped it may want you to think it is, but it is more open than any game ever conceived.
BTW, no one with common sense believes that XBox is 3X more powerful than PS2. Don\'t be a jackass.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Does is really matter when 100% for XBox will always look better than 100% on PS2? Your percentages are BS, btw. You pulled them out of thin air and you may as well put them back.
BTW, no one with common sense believes that XBox is 3X more powerful than PS2. Don\'t be a jackass.
Eric Jacob
Read seven\'s post again and rethink what you said.
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Originally posted by Clowd
x box has almost maxed already while the PS2 has been only slightly tapped in. Consoles are different beasts, they arent like PCs (or that pc x box) you can dig here and there and find new ways to use its power and find more polygons here and there.
While I have heard from several souces x box is around 80% maxed while no game has pushed PS2 past 50%
:laughing:
R:laughing:TFLMA:laughing:!!!!!!!!L:laughing:L!!!!!!!
N:laughing:w that is funny!!!
EDIT: Sorry but just couldn\'t help myself! I\'m afraid that more PS2 propaganda/BS has been spewd from this one page than would usually amass in several threads. No offenses but, if you knew what PS2 fanboy BS looks like, this sums it all up.
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nonamer, have I taken the time to personally welcome you to the board? We were in shortage of GOOD members coming i over the past year or so. We need more people with common sense.
Welcome to the board.
Eric Jacob
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I\'m sorry to say, but your posts in general prove that you\'re no better than the rest of those "fanboys" on this page. Reminds me very much of the TeamXbox forums.. you\'ll have one guy claiming something and the next with some lame remark about it being fanboy bull****. Got to laugh about that... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
nonamer, have I taken the time to personally welcome you to the board? We were in shortage of GOOD members coming i over the past year or so. We need more people with common sense.
Welcome to the board.
Eric Jacob
Uh, Thanks. I guess it\'s nice to be called a "GOOD" member.;)
Originally posted by seven
I\'m sorry to say, but your posts in general prove that you\'re no better than the rest of those "fanboys" on this page. Reminds me very much of the TeamXbox forums.. you\'ll have one guy claiming something and the next with some lame remark about it being fanboy bull****. Got to laugh about that...:rolleyes:
I apologize if that offends you somehow, but you\'ve got to admit, what Clowd said are classic PS2 statements. If you used to frequent IGN forums (I did), you\'ll see this all the time, and for me, I\'ve been seeing it for years. By now, it\'s just plain laugh-out-loud funny to me.
PS: Oh yeah, some of your statements are starting to look a bit too much like "classic PS2 statements" too. Be careful how you say things. It just might strike me as "funny".;)
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Project Ego looks fantastic!!! The best graphics I\'ve ever seen ! Can\'t wait for first impression at E3 !
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Now everyone knows my fealings on Project Ego.... so i won\'t say anything and get myself into TROUBLE...or anything that will start fights....
i mean before i know it i am using such spite and what not that i end up using the words "over inflated" and "project Ego" together about my complete and total lack of faith in lionhead.
well i am not falling for it this time
me looks at the second paragraph
oh GODD DAMN IT !
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Lionhead studios has renewed my faith in them after the craptacular Black and White failed to live up to expectations, im sure as hell PE will.:D
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The information I posted, like it or not, is true. The percentages may be a little off, but nethertheless they are true.
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//me plucks up the courage.. and runs into console debating and shouts.
PROJECT OVER INFLATED EGO !
and then runs off.
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Originally posted by Clowd
The information I posted, like it or not, is true. The percentages may be a little off, but nethertheless they are true.
a little off...or...total crap? who wanna place a bet ?
I\'m with the second one!:D
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Face the reality....:rolleyes:
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Reality of what? Your biased and unproven theory on the Xbox?
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Originally posted by Rikku
Reality of what? Your biased and unproven theory on the Xbox?
Any developer will tell you that the x box will max out before the PS2 does.
I dont have any links because they said it like 2 years ago.. . ..
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2 years ago before the system was even in developers\' hands?
It was merely a guess on there part and they were probably first party Sony. That actually sounds like something Jason Rubin of Naughty Dog would say...
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Originally posted by Clowd
Any developer will tell you that the x box will max out before the PS2 does.
So now we\'ve gone from, it is maxed out to it will max out?
BTW, SonyFan I had this great reply all typed out for you and my computer crashed. Good post.
*Turns and looks at computer tower* Why you always gotta make me hurt you baby.....
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Great post Sonyfan.
Maybe it\'s just me, but having a little bit of scripting is a little bit better then being able to choose every small tiny detail. If it meant having a much better story, then I\'d be all for it. Linearity never bothered me, it was not being pointed in the right direction that bothered me in games. If there are no hints as to where to go next or what to do next, I get bored quickly. It\'s not that I don\'t have the patience to figure it out, that\'s far from the truth, it\'s just that the game loses its appeal quickly and the story just suddenly becomes stagnant. I had a similar problem with the Oracle games on the GBA.
For example, in the Oracle games, it is your task to save the world from the destruction of the evil that is taking control of the seasons\\time. That\'s fine and all, but suddenly the only way that you can save this place is by going to eight different dungeons and getting these different items that can save the land. During the game, the story begins to unfold and you begin to get involved in the lives of the inhabitants like the Zora people of the sea and many other species. Entering Jabu Jabu was quite a funny experience btw even though that dungeon was absolutely horrid.
Anyways, what bothered me was that the central goal of the game just suddenly lost its appeal by then. It\'s the 7th dungeon in the game and I\'m so close to completing it, but after seven dungeons and the only really big story developments that happen are messages from the Deku tree telling you where to go next, it\'s as if the items you are collecting are just these little things that don\'t mean anything and what you are doing now really does have no consequence and no one is really trying to stop you except for these weak bosses. Without a little bit of story thrown your way here and there, the game loses interest and that\'s what I\'m affraid Project Ego will become.
It\'s a bit like Shenmue before you leave the town and head into the docks. You merely gather information about so many places and people, you meat more people, and then suddenly the story starts to unfold, but not until you reach a certain point after a lengthy amount of time. It just left a sour taste in my mouth before the end of the game took place.
Although, maybe I\'m just talking out of my ass, who knows. I just think having a little nudge and a little encouragement goes a lot farther to making a good game then giving the player all these extra options that don\'t really effect the story in the slightest. There is a central goal, but I want a little bit of motivation to achieving it. Maybe that\'s why so many people like the Sims and I\'m just not a huge fan. There is no central goal in the Sims, just to make a big house, have great relationships, and be at the top of my game in my field of work, that\'s just unappealing to me, but to my girlfriend, that sense of micromanagement is amazing. To each their own I guess, maybe I\'m just a person who prefers things straight forward rather then obscured by billions of little pointless extras like tatoos and muscle expansion.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Face the reality....:rolleyes:
Perhaps you need to face the reality.:p
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omg, will people PLEASE stop arguing with Clowd, he is a troll..
Project Ego\'s graphics look nice, wonder how the game will look :)
and i fully agree with SonyFan and Ryu so far, great posts :)
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Originally posted by Gohan
So now we\'ve gone from, it is maxed out to it will max out?
Please tell me when I said it was maxed out...:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Clowd
The information I posted, like it or not, is true. The percentages may be a little off, but nethertheless they are true.
LOL Thanks you have just made my day.
That is a classic line: the inforimation is totally true, but it my be alittle off, by how much1%- 40% fact is you don\'t really have a clue LOL
Why did you even post the information in the first place, if it isn\'t right, was it to make you fill better?
You really need to stop all that crap and just enjoy the games.
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You dont have a clue whether what I said is true or not so dont dismiss what you dont know.
After reading several articles anyone can come up with those numbers, I dont need to be spoon fed.
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Clowd, I am sorry for your parents.
Ryu, I believe the last interview with the developers of PE said that they were doing what you wanted, basically. Putting in hints, always make an underlying story, never letting the story get stale, etc. I was concerned about this, too. As I stopped playing Shenmue mid-way through the 2nd disc. I decided, upon extremely positive comments from a friend, to pick it up again, soon after, I fought Chai in the arcade, a little after that and I knew there was something magical about Shenmue. Playing Shenmue II and beating it only convinced me that Shenmue I was nothing, only an intro into the world of Ryo. Shenmue II is so much more in terms of depth, storyline, action, immersion, etc. Truly a great game, and if it weren\'t for playing Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike for 8 and a half hours yesterday (and 7.5 the day before) I would say it is the best game I have ever played.
Project Ego doesn\'t look to disappoint for me, as they said storyline will always be there to greet you and meet you forward, Sims has a total lack of interest by me because of those reasons. I need a reason to play every game except for Tetris.
btw, I just beat Snatcher and MAN, Hideo Kojima has really impressed me with the game. The only thing was...it was way too preachy at the end and the game always made you do things before letting you go on, something I HATE about adventure games.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Clowd, I am sorry for your parents.
Children from K-PAX dont have parents. We move around amongst each other learning from everyone.
You should try it.
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La la ala la la!!!!
Who wants to hear these ****ers insult eachother?
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thats what im saying
/me high-fives vivi!
now lets get back to the important stuff, like bashing the hell out of the xbox
the above comment is a joke
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Ryu, I believe the last interview with the developers of PE said that they were doing what you wanted, basically. Putting in hints, always make an underlying story, never letting the story get stale, etc. I was concerned about this, too.
I\'m so glad someone understood that post. It felt like i was just rambling endlessly about stupid crap, but it\'s good to see that someone also shared the same issues I\'ve been having with this game and my inability to become excited about it in any capacity. Now that you have brought up the interview, tell me what it is that he is putting into the game to really address these issues? I have not seen the interview in question. Anything juicy you can tell me? I am understandably curious. :)
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As far as I remember (I am too lazy to go dig up old interviews with developers, although it was on a UK games site if you wanna try) the plot of the game starts off very simplistic. Revenge. It seems to start with you going to town or something and coming back seeing your family murdered and your dog nailed to a wall (I remember that detail thinking "PETA is gonna go ape (pun intended) over that"). You, in your childish ways, set out to find the killers, as you grow up, however, it is discovered that the killers of your family has stuff to hide, etc. (The usual RPG filler stuff happens here). The thing is, what is so great about the game.
Let\'s say you go to a shopkeeper and are talking to him and you ask him where the "witch" lives. He tells you somewhere in "Scooby-Doo Castle", but only "Jim the Sailor" knows where that is. If you have happened upon Scooby Doo Castle earlier in the game messing around, you could just go straight to the castle.
Alot of times in RPGs or adventure games, you must first talk to the guy before doing anything, he will then make you do a side quest to find out the information, and so on. Having things unscripted (as far as events go) make it so the game isn\'t restricted by it\'s own boundaries, only yours.
lemme find some interviews for you, I will post some links later.
Eric Jacob
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Well, how is the combat? Not like random encounters right? Explain to me why that will be fun please. :D Curiosity means you work overtime to please. ;)
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I have no idea how the battles will be done, but I KNOW they will not be random encounters. That would defeat the whole purpose of a living world and realistic settings. It will be realtime conflict and some of the enemies will be of people who are jealous of you (if you are famous for example), fear you (if you are a tyrant), or just looking to jump someone for cash, etc.
Eric Jacob
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Its nice to see ya back AlteredBeast. I knew you couldn\'t leave forever.
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I post when people piss me off or something is actually interesting ont he boards (fat chance of too much of that going around)
that said, thanks :) Project Ego is one of my most anticipated games and people trashing on it when they obviously hate it because it is on XBox need to be told whats up. Read my post in the thread below for more on that :)
Eric Jacob
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"
Knows his stuff,
and yours too!"
dont forgot who gave u this
:P
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Some guy who has deteriated into "that guy who yells at children who walk in his yard"?
;)
Ryu, here is a good link that explains the combat and game a little bit, particularly the 2nd page.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2867724-2,00.html
Eric Jacob
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me yell? never
i prefer wit and sarcasm
i\'m actually much nicer than i used to be, must be the old age
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Check this out guys........Project Ego impressions......
this game sounds revolutionary.....:eek: :eek:
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2867724,00.html
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yeah, Peter Molyneux said the same thing about Black and White, but that turned out to be crap
Peter Molyneux = John Romero
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, Peter Molyneux said the same thing about Black and White, but that turned out to be crap
Peter Molyneux = John Romero
mm i haven\'t played black and white is it good?:thepimp:
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the graphics are good (except for the villager modeling), but VERY demanding
the A.I. for yer creature is pretty impressive, yet severely flawed in some aspects. thats the only cool part of the game, tho, is training yer animal to do chores for the villagers, and not to eat them! although it does become tedious after a while.
but when the game turns into battle mode against an enemy god, the gameplay goes to crap.
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Originally posted by mm
the graphics are good (except for the villager modeling), but VERY demanding
the A.I. for yer creature is pretty impressive, yet severely flawed in some aspects. thats the only cool part of the game, tho, is training yer animal to do chores for the villagers, and not to eat them! although it does become tedious after a while.
but when the game turns into battle mode against an enemy god, the gameplay goes to crap.
Oh okay I will have to check that out one day. Thanks mm.:thepimp:
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I really thought from the beginning that this game would be really hard to make and couldn\'t be pulled off... But I\'m really rooting for them and hope that they DO pull it off..
I have to get an Xbox now tho.. Cause of MGS2.. lol. I go where Metal Gear goes... So I wouldn\'t mind picking up a good game like hopefully this..
I\'ve been reading up on Splitter Cell, Duality, Ghost Recon. All seem like games I would like to get, by the looks of it.
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If this game really is good, then I\'ll buy an Xbox just to play it. When is it due? Later this year? (too lazy to find out myself)
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"When is it due? Later this year?"
I belive its due 2003, to give you an idea the name has yet to come to a final ending.. unless Project Ego is the final name.
Right now its all about a EGO, the ego of the company :laughing:
sorry... could not resisit :)
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Originally posted by mm
now lets get back to the important stuff, like bashing the hell out of the xbox
I this looks like a JOB For ................
//me strips of to reveal a Super hero costume with a picture of a crossed out X box on it.
Captian M$$$$$$ Basher !
For Truth...Justice and the Nintendo and sony way !
;)
j/k
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WOW from all the interviews i have read of this game, it seems like it is really trying to do something different which is good, because you don\'t see much of that at the moment, i think i will check this game out for sure.
p.s ooseven do you ever leave these forums 5000 posts lol, last time i was really around here you was in the 1000 some where!
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It\'s not that hard to get to 5000 posts if you enter every thread and randomly say things that have no bearing on the discussion.
Fable is the name of the game, I do believe that is the final name.
I simply cannot wait for the game. Unfortunately, the latest videos show the action running at around 20fps! If they can get it to 30, I am definetly game.
Eric Jacob
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just 30? raise yer expectations a bit
/me looks at post count
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Originally posted by ooseven
I this looks like a JOB For ................
//me strips of to reveal a Super hero costume with a picture of a crossed out X box on it.
Captian M$$$$$$ Basher !
For Truth...Justice and the Nintendo and sony way !
;)
j/k
LOL
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(or just do what clowd does)
Nice spam, clowd, that really added a ton to the forum. I couldn\'t really tell if ooseven\'s post was funny or not, but your post really told me that it was, thanks!
30fps was just fine for Halo, Since Project Ego is probably the best looking and technically advanced game I have seen (outside of Doom III) expecting 60fps may be a bit too high.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Nice spam, clowd, that really added a ton to the forum. I couldn\'t really tell if ooseven\'s post was funny or not, but your post really told me that it was, thanks!
Are you being sarcastic?
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if halo was LOCKED at 30 fps like GTA3, then it wouldnt have been so bad
slowdown = rampant
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Funny how all of PS2\'s best looking games run at 60fps, while all of x box\'s best looking games:halo, project ego, run at 20-30fps
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Project Ego isn\'t out, and if you think it will stay at the framerate it is at now, you are an idiot, clowd (see how I can cleverly hide an insult like that?)
Please elaborate, though. clowd. Tell me the great PS2 games that run at 60 fps. tell the great XBox games that run at 30fps.
mm, you and I both know that GTA3 on PS2 is NOT locked at 30fps, get a few explosions going and it chugs worse than anything seen in Halo, even with 4 people all blasting away. There are rare occurense of slowdown in Halo, and it is only in the most hectic of parts for a very short time.
Project EGo has no equal in graphics on either system, so PS2 throwing out a game like MGS2, with hardly any textures, no shadows, etc. is ALOT easier than XBox throwing out Project Ego where everything is rendered with hi-rez textures, shadowed (self-shadowing, btw), anti-aliased, etc. It is like comparing GT3 to Sega GT on DC.
Eric Jacob
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Great graphical PS2 games: MGS2,FFX,Bouncer,GT3, all running at 60fps
Great graphical x box games: halo,project ego, all running at 18-30 fps, and drops even lower in action
It doesnt matter how great graphically a game is. If it runs at 30 fps, it does. And thats a let down for a next gen system
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ban me if you want, but you are an idiot!
Project Ego isn\'t out stupid! What about the other huge percentage of games on PS2 that run at 30fps?
RalliSport - 60fps locked
Project Gotham - 60fps locked
Amped - 60fps locked
DOA3 - 60 fps locked.
SEE THE PATTERN DUMMY? 1 game that is out and happens to look great is at 30fps and you take that as equaling everything?
Guess what, I saw a video of Red Faction 2, GT4, GTA4, MGS:2, etc. they were all running at 20fps!!! hahahahaha (Using fun logic is great, eh?) Oh wait, they aren\'t out yet, you say? WELL NEITHER IS PROJECT EGO you sped!
(probably my ban post, so see ya guys later if it is)
Eric Jacob
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I thought when I left the square gamer boards, there would be no more name calling...oh well....but I dont want you to go you are fun to debate with.
Those games you listed, are they the greatest example of x box\'s graphics? No.
We\'re talking about the best looking games for each system.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
ban me if you want, but you are an idiot!
Project Ego isn\'t out stupid! What about the other huge percentage of games on PS2 that run at 30fps?
RalliSport - 60fps locked
Project Gotham - 60fps locked
Amped - 60fps locked
DOA3 - 60 fps locked.
SEE THE PATTERN DUMMY? 1 game that is out and happens to look great is at 30fps and you take that as equaling everything?
Guess what, I saw a video of Red Faction 2, GT4, GTA4, MGS:2, etc. they were all running at 20fps!!! hahahahaha (Using fun logic is great, eh?) Oh wait, they aren\'t out yet, you say? WELL NEITHER IS PROJECT EGO you sped!
(probably my ban post, so see ya guys later if it is)
Eric Jacob
Now you know how we\'ve felt about you the whole time heheh.
Funny. :P
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Originally posted by Clowd
Those games you listed, are they the greatest example of x box\'s graphics? No.
have you seen RalliSport or DoA3?
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It\'s not hard to have a fighting game run at 60fps
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altered, you kill me
its almost like you sniff out the smallest xbox insults and immediately insult the PS2 in retort, likes its yer crusade
remember, YOU are defending a brand new console against one over two years old, tsk tsk
no, i wont remove yer access
i enjoy when you make yerself look childish
you forgot to put "I WIN!" at the end of yer post
:rolleyes:
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Someone is on a troll roll..
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dont worry Eric, ill stick up for you
:)
Great graphical PS2 games: MGS2,FFX,Bouncer,GT3, all running at 60fps
Great graphical x box games: halo,project ego, all running at 18-30 fps, and drops even lower in action
It doesnt matter how great graphically a game is. If it runs at 30 fps, it does. And thats a let down for a next gen system
you are, in the words of Altered Beast an "idiot"... can someone get this guy a troll picture or what? i dont care what he is a fanboy of he is annoying the **** out of me and other members..
first of all, FFX runs at 30fps :) and doesnt look anywhere near as good as Halo :)
second of all.. \'locked\' isnt exactly the right word.. i know my copy of MGS2 had slowdown in it. Same with FFX and thats at 30fps.
and 18-30? ugh..
"duuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaah, Dead or Alive 3 the best looking game ever released runs at 5 - 60fps althgouh the 5fps isnt all that common"
geezus chrisst
Defending Altered Beast..? meh, its the lesser of two evils
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actually, i would say FFx looks better than halo
halo has too much blur and repeated textures for my tastes
every level looks the same
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you could say the same thing about FFX, mm.
The textures of the background have the patented PS2 mud look to them. And it has fixed camera points, while Halo is FPS (which is kind of a hard perspective to make things look good.)
Eric Jacob
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ffx is also on two year old hardware
halo is on , well you know
:)
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FFX was also 18 months into the consoles life...
Halo had a handicap because it got ported from PS2 (poor thing), and MS was hammering to make it a launch title for US...
I\'m sure you knew that though...;)
MM, you\'d probably be alone thinking that FFX looks better than Halo.
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fine with me
im spoiled by PC FPS\'s so im accustomed to expecting more than what halo offers
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Like what:)
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stuff like 60 FPS, 1280x1024 resolution, 32 bit color, 4x FSAA, 8 tap anistropy, good control, mods, etc etc
halo was ported from PC, not PS2, didnt it?
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Originally posted by mm
stuff like 60 FPS, 1280x1024 resolution, 32 bit color, 4x FSAA, 8 tap anistropy, good control, etc etc
halo was ported from PC, not PS2, didnt it?
Oh, so in the way of content you haven\'t seen an equal either...
I believe Halo was for PC, then for PS2, and finally ended up on Xbox. I could be wrong...I do know it was headed for PS2 for quite some time.
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Oh, so in the way of content you haven\'t seen an equal either...
??
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Originally posted by mm
??
As in the intelligence of the enemy, the vast areas, vehicles, and the overall quality of the game. The graphics are still nice...
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nice for a brand new console, yes
but i expect more
red faction had vehicles long before before halo
MDK had vast areas long before halo
medal of honor AI > halo AI
overall quality? like i said, its a great FPS for a brand new console, nothing more
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Originally posted by Rikku
Halo had a handicap because it got ported from PS2 (poor thing), and MS was hammering to make it a launch title for US...
I\'m sure you knew that though...;)
LOL, I hope you have something to back this one up - because as far as I know, Halo was in the works for PC and PS2 at the time - so it must of really been a lot of work to port over. :rolleyes:
That\'s how we like it. Get a game that runs 30 fps and then blame it on the "older" console: "it was handicaped because it got ported...". LMAO.
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Originally posted by seven
LOL, I hope you have something to back this one up - because as far as I know, Halo was in the works for PC and PS2 at the time - so it must of really been a lot of work to port over. :rolleyes:
That\'s how we like it. Get a game that runs 30 fps and then blame it on the "older" console: "it was handicaped because it got ported...". LMAO.
:laughing:
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Originally posted by Rikku
FFX was also 18 months into the consoles life...
Halo had a handicap because it got ported from PS2 (poor thing), and MS was hammering to make it a launch title for US...
I\'m sure you knew that though...;)
MM, you\'d probably be alone thinking that FFX looks better than Halo.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F216.40.201.38%2Fcontrib%2Fedoom%2Fiamwithstupid.gif&hash=6a5411d7f1e38290fc1d59a44527b63bcec11d71)
Halo was in development on PC/Mac. It was PLANNED on PS2, but they never started development.
Yo PS2 hate is shining so bright! *puts on shades* :cool:
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I was being sarcastic...
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Originally posted by seven
LOL, I hope you have something to back this one up - because as far as I know, Halo was in the works for PC and PS2 at the time - so it must of really been a lot of work to port over. :rolleyes:
That\'s how we like it. Get a game that runs 30 fps and then blame it on the "older" console: "it was handicaped because it got ported...". LMAO.
I\'ll just go your route and say I have a reliable source...
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Originally posted by mm
nice for a brand new console, yes
but i expect more
red faction had vehicles long before before halo
MDK had vast areas long before halo
medal of honor AI > halo AI
overall quality? like i said, its a great FPS for a brand new console, nothing more
But did they ever all mesh together quite so nicely?
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errrrrr, all the time bro
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Originally posted by mm
errrrrr, all the time bro
maybe it\'s just me, I still think Halo is the best fps available...
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Originally posted by Clowd
Funny how all of PS2\'s best looking games run at 60fps, while all of x box\'s best looking games:halo, project ego, run at 20-30fps
Uhhhh.....okay. whatever. Doa3, project gotham, RAW, max payne, and panzer dragoon Orta are all 60fps with massive graphics. If you want to compare xbox to ps2 graphics just look at both wreckless......lol!!!!! PS2 wreckless looks like trash......
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red faction had vehicles long before before halo
MDK had vast areas long before halo
medal of honor AI > halo AI
Mind you, he had to list three games to compare Halo too:D
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Originally posted by rastalant
If you want to compare xbox to ps2 graphics just look at both wreckless......lol!!!!! PS2 wreckless looks like trash......
Yeah good going. Very smart comparing a frickin PORT!
Lets compare Spyhunter... WOOT?
Xbox Spyhunter 30fps? XBOX IS WEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAK!
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Originally posted by rastalant
Uhhhh.....okay. whatever. Doa3, project gotham, RAW, max payne, and panzer dragoon Orta are all 60fps with massive graphics. If you want to compare xbox to ps2 graphics just look at both wreckless......lol!!!!! PS2 wreckless looks like trash......
rastalant, you are such a huge fanboy it makes me sick. If you had any kind of brain in that head of yours you would know that the developers didn\'t put any effort at all into the PS2 version of Wreckless. The only thing they care about is profit, they know their game is ****, they have the sales figures from the Xbox version, they just want to try and make some money by doing a quick, crappy port to the PS2. You do realize the Xbox isn\'t the god of all consoles, right?
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I\'ll just go your route and say I have a reliable source...
Yeah, I already see it. Anyone in their right mind would port their game from the much more complex PS2-build instead of just copy/pasting code from the PC version onto XBox - that really makes a lot of sense and gives me even more to believe how "reliable" your source is. :rolleyes: :p
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Originally posted by nataku
rastalant, you are such a huge fanboy it makes me sick. If you had any kind of brain in that head of yours you would know that the developers didn\'t put any effort at all into the PS2 version of Wreckless. The only thing they care about is profit, they know their game is ****, they have the sales figures from the Xbox version, they just want to try and make some money by doing a quick, crappy port to the PS2. You do realize the Xbox isn\'t the god of all consoles, right?
LOL!!!!!! I"m a fanboy? I love the ps2 i have 2 of them, 2 ps1, dc, xbox, n64, saturn, and a pc. I"m not fanboy at allI\'m just stating xbox is more powerful than ps2 even though some people with very little brain cells still debate about that. Its a fact xbox is more powerful thats what I"m trying to get you too see. LOL!!!!!! Me a fanboy? Thats funny. I never said xbox was the god of all consoles just the most powerful.;)
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Originally posted by fastson
Yeah good going. Very smart comparing a frickin PORT!
Lets compare Spyhunter... WOOT?
Xbox Spyhunter 30fps? XBOX IS WEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAK!
your right doa2hardcore to doa3 is that better?;) ;)
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Originally posted by rastalant
your right doa2hardcore to doa3 is that better?;) ;)
But DoA2 was a port from the DC :)
And DoA3 is a new:er game..
Invalid.
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rast, xbox is more powerful than PS2?
wow thats late breaking news. two years in technology and i didnt see that coming!
gink, i wasnt adding those 3 to equal halo
i was stating that halo contained nothing groundbreaking, just good graphics for a console FPS
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Yeah, but DOA:2HC was better looking on the Dreamcast. Sooo....
DC DOA2 vs. PS2 DOA:2HC = DC is more powerful than PS2.
PS2 Spyhunter vs. Xbox Spyhunter = PS2 is more powerful than Xbox.
So if the Xbox is weaker than PS2, and PS2 is weaker than DC.. then that means the Dreamcast is actually the ultimate gaming system this generation... DC > Xbox. Gotta love how that logic works. :D :rolleyes:
Anyhow, Raistalant.. I think you\'ve spent a LIIIIITTTLE too much time over at Team Xbox. You\'re becoming much more incoherant and sloppy every day.. and you\'re starting to drool a little bit from the left side of your mouth. Jus because you own all those consoles dosen\'t disqualify you from being a fanboy since you can still prefer one and trash the others. I own Lucas Arts games.. but does that make me any less of a Sierra fanboy? NOooooo..
Not to say that you are a fanboy.. but just don\'t use "I own XXXXX amount of consoles" as proof that you aren\'t. Proof should come from the quality and depth of your words.. not from the width of your billfold. Capiche?
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"xbox what?" - rastalant
no more questions yer honor
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Originally posted by mm
"xbox what?" - rastalant
no more questions yer honor
LOL!!!!!!!what? what?:laughing:
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/mental note
/work on sarcasm
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Yeah, but DOA:2HC was better looking on the Dreamcast. Sooo....
DC DOA2 vs. PS2 DOA:2HC = DC is more powerful than PS2.
PS2 Spyhunter vs. Xbox Spyhunter = PS2 is more powerful than Xbox.
So if the Xbox is weaker than PS2, and PS2 is weaker than DC.. then that means the Dreamcast is actually the ultimate gaming system this generation... DC > Xbox. Gotta love how that logic works. :D :rolleyes:
Anyhow, Raistalant.. I think you\'ve spent a LIIIIITTTLE too much time over at Team Xbox. You\'re becoming much more incoherant and sloppy every day.. and you\'re starting to drool a little bit from the left side of your mouth. Jus because you own all those consoles dosen\'t disqualify you from being a fanboy since you can still prefer one and trash the others. I own Lucas Arts games.. but does that make me any less of a Sierra fanboy? NOooooo..
Not to say that you are a fanboy.. but just don\'t use "I own XXXXX amount of consoles" as proof that you aren\'t. Proof should come from the quality and depth of your words.. not from the width of your billfold. Capiche?
Nah....i was just stating the facts about xbox power compared to ps2. Sonyfan like i said i\'m not a fanboy just pointing something out. As for teamxbox its a great place.;) ;) I see what your saying in your post and by the way I"m very smart.;)
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i was just stating the facts about xbox power compared to ps2.
You mean comparing a port of a crappy game to the original crappy game? You truly are brilliant, ya know that? Why don\'t you compare games like GT3 to Project Gotham or something? Sounds like a fair comparison to me, although that\'s been done before... BECAUSE THIS IS A STUPID AND TIRED ARGUEMENT. Why do you INSIST on continually bringing it up? "Derr derr, xbox has better graphics den PS2. -Signed, TeamXbox fanboy" Of course they do, it f*cking better! I\'d be so incredibly pissed if it didn\'t.
Sonyfan like i said i\'m not a fanboy just pointing something out. As for teamxbox its a great place.
You are a fanboy when all you do is point out how great the Xbox is and how crappy the PS2 is over and over and over again. Lets not forget something here, owning a console means nothing except that you have enough money to continually waste, which is evident in the fact that you own two PS2s. You deny you are a fanboy, and yet it\'s been evident in every post since you bought an Xbox. The only stupider thing then a fanboy is a fanboy in denial. I think this forum was better when all you did was post on TeamXBox, they appreciate your idiocy there I\'m sure, as well as share in it. TeamXBox is considered the ass end of all forums, and yet you bask in it as a "great" forum. Hilarious.
I see what your saying in your post and by the way I"m very smart.
To that sentence, you forgot to add "In my opinion."
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Originally posted by Ryu
To that sentence, you forgot to add "In my opinion."
LOL!!!!!! Here\'s the funny part people like you ryu do nothing but constantly bash the xbox but yet you call me a fanboy? Okay whatever:rolleyes: :rolleyes: PS2 is awesome and i think its one of the best systems ever, but i like the xbox as well. I just see so much blind bashing on xbox. Its more like your a fanboy.............;)
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Ryu well all you do is bash xbox consitantly. When was the last time i bashed ps2. Like i said i was just pointing out some stuff. I guess your one of the ps2 fans that think ps2 is more powerful than xbox huh?;) ;) Get your facts straight when did i say how crappy ps2 is compared to xbox. I just said ps2 wreckless looks horrible compared to the xbox version thats all. Truth hurts huh?
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Here\'s the funny part people like you ryu do nothing but constantly bash the xbox but yet you call me a fanboy?
I guess you didn\'t read my Halo review? You didn\'t read my recent posts on the Xbox exclusive Splinter Cell? My hopes that MGS2:S would be a superior game graphically then the PS2 version? (Although now it has been said by Kojima that the differences would be marginal at best.) What were you saying? I\'m a fanboy? For an intelligent guy, you sure do miss the obvious things. ;)
I just said ps2 wreckless looks horrible compared to the xbox version thats all. Truth hurts huh?
What truth hurts? I own Wreckless on Xbox (I got it for free) so I am fully qualified to bash it as I please. Wreckless is one of the worst games I\'ve ever played and for it to be ported is a crime against all gamers. Whoever pays for it on the PS2 is pathetic, truly pathetic. Whoever paid for it on Xbox is just as pathetic... I bet you own it and think it\'s the best game ever, right pee-wee?
I guess your one of the ps2 fans that think ps2 is more powerful than xbox huh?
Didn\'t you read my post? I said that the XBox had better have improved graphics, and for the most part, what little games that are made for it, it does. I don\'t see that as a bad thing because only a handful the games that are out for it are actually FUN to play. It\'s nice staring at Obi-Wan, but it\'s much more fun to play Jedi Knight II, catch my drift? You on the other hand believe graphics are THE most important thing ever, that\'s fine, but I\'m sick of listening to your crap about how great a game is based on how it looks. I\'m wondering, in all the screenshots you stare at, do you even read about the game you\'re staring at?
Truth hurts huh?
What truth? Hurt what? If you read what I had posted, you wouldn\'t even bother making such idiotic statements, but you don\'t read. As long as a thread has screenshots in it, I expect you to be there. As long as it\'s an Xbox thread, I expect you to be there. I like how you bash Nintendo, the kings of great games. Maybe I\'m wrong, maybe you\'re not an Xbox fanboy on pupose, you\'re just a graphics whore and because XBox has the best graphics, that automatically makes you an XBox fanboy. My mistake.
And Rast, why did it take you two posts to say the same thing twice? I thought you\'d be smart enough to just use one and leave it at that. Oh well, so much for that whole "I am very smart" blurb about yourself. If the world were as smart as you, then fire would be the greatest graphical achievement ever. I mean, it\'s 24FPS, has 4x FSAA, and it moves and swims in the air in real time! All without a hit in the framerate department! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by rastalant
LOL!!!!!! Here\'s the funny part people like you ryu do nothing but constantly bash the xbox but yet you call me a fanboy? Okay whatever:rolleyes: :rolleyes: PS2 is awesome and i think its one of the best systems ever, but i like the xbox as well. I just see so much blind bashing on xbox. Its more like your a fanboy.............;)
Constantly bash the \'Box, gee, I\'ve been missing out. All the time I\'ve thought they\'re just mostly "realistic" and posting one\'s "opinions". I gotta tune into whatever station you\'re listening.
Blind bashing of XBox, yach, ya shure dun\'t git much PS2 bashing @ TXB. It\'s payback time!! :D God, all forums are going down with them now, eh... :p
*pats Rasty on the back with a "F-Boy" sticker hidden inside his palm*
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Ryu wreckless is alright i just played the demo before. Whoa yes i read your halo review that was the only positive thing you ever said about xbox other than that you do nothing but bash it. Yes Splinter Cell does look interesting but i plan on getting MGS2S as well. When did i say graphics are the most important thing? Link please?;) With the nintendo part you forgot to put "imo" thats what you think of them. If I"m an xbox fanboy guess what? That makes you a ps2 fanboy. i guess were even huh?;) I put the same thing twice just to make sure you saw it.:thepimp:
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Originally posted by Hawke
Constantly bash the \'Box, gee, I\'ve been missing out. All the time I\'ve thought they\'re just mostly "realistic" and posting one\'s "opinions". I gotta tune into whatever station you\'re listening.
Blind bashing of XBox, yach, ya shure dun\'t git much PS2 bashing @ TXB. It\'s payback time!! :D God, all forums are going down with them now, eh... :p
*pats Rasty on the back with a "F-Boy" sticker hidden inside his palm*
What? you guys think i dislike the ps2? LOL!!!!!!!!! PS2 has so many triple AAA titles coming its not funny. I never bash the ps2 and as for xbox there alot of bashing on it. Sure people bash ps2 at teamxbox, but i don\'t. Thats them. Don\'t blame me for what that forum does. LOL!!!!!!!!!!:laughing:
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Originally posted by mm
rast, xbox is more powerful than PS2?
wow thats late breaking news. two years in technology and i didnt see that coming!
gink, i wasnt adding those 3 to equal halo
i was stating that halo contained nothing groundbreaking, just good graphics for a console FPS
You listed 3 qualities from top quality games, 3 of them. I like it that you can find the same top notch quality in one game, Halo...
Yeah, I already see it. Anyone in their right mind would port their game from the much more complex PS2-build instead of just copy/pasting code from the PC version onto XBox - that really makes a lot of sense and gives me even more to believe how "reliable" your source is
hey seven, just a guess here but I would say it was more of an insult than an answer...you do tend to speak from "reliable sources" in your debates. just a guess though...
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Whoa yes i read your halo review that was the only positive thing you ever said about xbox other than that you do nothing but bash it.
Is reading comprehension not your strong suit? I gave multiple examples of the positive things I see in the Xbox and you say that Halo was the only positive thing I said about it? Did you just ignore the rest of waht I said? What\'s the matter with you? Are you in some sort of green tinted plastic box that doesn\'t allow you to see things that are actually there? It\'s so odd, I post all kinds of examples, and yet still, I\'m the XBox hater. *Sigh* Please go back to TXB where they appreciate your idiocy, it\'s not welcome here.
When did i say graphics are the most important thing? Link please?
When you compare one game on the PS2 and one game on the XBox in a graphical sense and slam all other consoles for it, that\'s proof enough. When do you actually talk about gameplay? Link please.
If I"m an xbox fanboy guess what? That makes you a ps2 fanboy.
Don\'t try and turn this into an arguement about my posting habits, I\'ve already shown them in this thread, even though you chose to ignore them, that\'s not my fault. A "smart" guy like yourself would have saw them and dropped it and admitted to utter stupidity. Instead you continue, how typical of you. Not so typical of an intelligent poster, but typical of someone like you.
I never bash the ps2 and as for xbox there alot of bashing on it.
Sure thing. That\'s why you step into a graphical arguement as if you know what you are talking about. It\'s really quite "smart" of you. By the way, how\'s that fire coming along anyways? I bet by now you\'ve realised that it has the most independant AI ever feeding on oxygen and spreading like crazy right? Try pouring water on it, see the chemical transition that happens between the graphically amazing fire and the water! AMAZING! :rolleyes:
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We\'re all fanboys, more of less... for me, well, it depends on my mood quite much, and my recent gaming experiences.
*gets hit by a fab idea*
NEWSFLASH "2 weeks later, the new \'FanBoy Pride!!!\' t-shirts went into mass production and Hawke became a millionare in a record breaking 3 minutes. In the near future, the lineup will be added to with \'PS2 4evarr, yaaaa!\' -caps, \'GameC00b will crush ya console d00d!\' -sweaters and, oddly enough, the \'XXXBox iz da veri besty consol evar\' -underwear set with a helpful \'APPLY WEDGIE HERE\' text sewn on the backside."
"Hawke was a PS2 whore the last time we interviewed him, which was a nice change from his last week\'s \'DreamCast 0\\/\\/nZ all y00 a$s£s, you\'re just too stoooopid to know it, morons!\' -spree. Rumours tell that he might be going for the XBox line in the future, thanks to one Project Ego, if it turns out well enough. If it doesn\'t, he said he\'ll just keep on bithing about XBox\'s lacklustre games lineup."
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Ooookaaayyyy i guess only ps2 fanboys are welcome i get it. ;) Just cause in a debate i said an xbox games looks better than a ps2 i hate ps2? Okay that makes sense.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: The reason i said that was cause you guys were debating about graphics thats all. The debate wasn\'t about gameplay at the moment thats why. Oh by the way i never called you a xbox hater just an xbox basher.;) Okay my opinion is stupidity while yours is right? Okay..........i guess I"m not a blind enough fanboy to understand huh?;)
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As I always get told This is a PS2 board so there are bound to be more people who lean towards PS2 than anything else...
Comparing graphics is dangerous ground because even the most jaded PS2 fanboy knows that Xbox is just a tier above the competition as far as capabilities go. Once you make comments of Xbox\'s slight edge then a PS2 owner feels insecure about his/her purchase and will defend thier territory. If you actually do happen to live through the flaming of the original post, then get ready for the all infamous "Halo runs @ 30fps so Xbox suX0rs!!"...it happens every time and shows how narrowminded sed individual is. Just sit back and go after the big stuff, graphics debates don\'t end up anywhere but with a locked thread...
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Oh my good God! I can\'t believe I just read this! My eyeeees, my beautiful eyeeeees! *falls on the ground, twitching in pain* Why God, why!
As for teamxbox its a great place. ;) ;)
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Originally posted by Ginko
As I always get told This is a PS2 board so there are bound to be more people who lean towards PS2 than anything else...
Comparing graphics is dangerous ground because even the most jaded PS2 fanboy knows that Xbox is just a tier above the competition as far as capabilities go. Once you make comments of Xbox\'s slight edge then a PS2 owner feels insecure about his/her purchase and will defend thier territory. If you actually do happen to live through the flaming of the original post, then get ready for the all infamous "Halo runs @ 30fps so Xbox suX0rs!!"...it happens every time and shows how narrowminded sed individual is. Just sit back and go after the big stuff, graphics debates don\'t end up anywhere but with a locked thread...
Thanks ginko good point. I\'m glad to see we have open-minded gamers like yourself. I will remember what you said thanks.:)
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you lost raslant...give it up.
When I argue, I argue good points, not inane, stupid ones thjat get you nowhere like what you are trying to do. Please stop embarrassing XBox owners by tricking people into believing we are all like "that".
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Ginko
As I always get told This is a PS2 board so there are bound to be more people who lean towards PS2 than anything else...
Comparing graphics is dangerous ground because even the most jaded PS2 fanboy knows that Xbox is just a tier above the competition as far as capabilities go. Once you make comments of Xbox\'s slight edge then a PS2 owner feels insecure about his/her purchase and will defend thier territory. If you actually do happen to live through the flaming of the original post, then get ready for the all infamous "Halo runs @ 30fps so Xbox suX0rs!!"...it happens every time and shows how narrowminded sed individual is. Just sit back and go after the big stuff, graphics debates don\'t end up anywhere but with a locked thread...
Funny, that description kinda sounds like yourself when you first started posting here and to some extent it still sounds like yourself.
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wtf is this win/loss stuff altered? youve really taken a nosedive man
gink, how many times must i say it!!!!!!!!
i didnt say those games were better then halo in any way
they just possessed the "gimmicks" that halo does, and much earlier
*sigh*
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Some of the points argued in this thread are just sad to see. Man this thread makes the old Ign forum look good. Man Everyone knows Xbox can do great graphics there really is no reason to argue it. Ps2 continues to do great graphics is there any point to debate back and forth about it?
Man both system are $199 anyone can buy one. Why do people have to make it seem like you have to be freakin special to own one of these console. It\'s really sad to see people bickering back and forth degrading the systems and games.
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Ryu... your not too bright are you? You have had arguements with rastalant and pstwo before and you can NOT win. Not because they put forward more logical debate points than you, but purely because they are two of the most idiotic people in the world. IN THE WORLD. THE ENTIRE WORLD. They will ignore any intelligent points you make, and then trying to prove that they are right, come back with incredibly stupid points of their own that arent even relevant. Then they will twist what you said into something that fits their own debate. And then they will still find irrelevant points to back them up, even when they are debating your altered points.
its impossible
p.s. i bet Rastalant replies to this thread with
"HEY!! thanks Bob, your right, Ryu cant beat me in debate"
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Ryu... your not too bright are you? You have had arguements with rastalant and pstwo before and you can NOT win. Not because they put forward more logical debate points than you, but purely because they are two of the most idiotic people in the world. IN THE WORLD. THE ENTIRE WORLD. They will ignore any intelligent points you make, and then trying to prove that they are right, come back with incredibly stupid points of their own that arent even relevant. Then they will twist what you said into something that fits their own debate. And then they will still find irrelevant points to back them up, even when they are debating your altered points.
its impossible
p.s. i bet Rastalant replies to this thread with
"HEY!! thanks Bob, your right, Ryu cant beat me in debate"
It\'s funny how rastalant get picks on for liking xbox, but all these one-console lovers that bash xbox seem to get the royal treatment. I mean there is nothing wrong with being one-deminsional and only allowing yourself to experience one console, but that does not mean that you have show your love for ps2 by bashing other systems.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
It\'s funny how rastalant get picks on for liking xbox, but all these one-console lovers that bash xbox seem to get the royal treatment. I mean there is nothing wrong with being one-deminsional and only allowing yourself to experience one console, but that does not mean that you have show your love for ps2 by bashing other systems.
I know Quddus you have a point and i like ps2 as well. Its just these guys are hardcore sony fanboys thats all. I"m use to these trolls. I know like most the people here are pro-ps2 and you guys know it. Ouddus is an open minded gamers as well.:fro:
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Rast, perhaps people \'misjudge\' you and your PS2 lovin\' peers, because ALL you do is praise Xbox. Xbox this, Xbox that. Every game on Xbox is DA BESTEST and has the greatest graphics ever. It wouldn\'t hurt to show appriciation of non-Xbox consoles once in a while, if you want to be accepted as a super-duper-hardcore-anti-fanboy.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
It\'s funny how rastalant get picks on for liking xbox, but all these one-console lovers that bash xbox seem to get the royal treatment. I mean there is nothing wrong with being one-deminsional and only allowing yourself to experience one console, but that does not mean that you have show your love for ps2 by bashing other systems.
perhaps you have missed my Clowd and (to a lesser extent) ooseven bashing lately as well?
and i am not picking on Rastalant for being a fanboy.. im picking on him for being a poor debator :)
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rast, qudd
i hope you guys dont think yer poop dont stink cause you claim to be "open minded" gamers. claiming to be an "open minded" gamer does not make you any better than anyone else and makes you an elitest
that shows how naive you could be
you dont like people bashing yer precious xbox, dont get invloved in the conversation. stick to off topic and watch the bob vs. racer fight
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Originally posted by mm
ffx is also on two year old hardware
halo is on , well you know
:)
And Halo isn\'t optimized for Xbox hardware either. The majority of development was handled with incomplete development kits.
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but the potential is there, you see, considering the age difference
xbox is supposed to to be the easiest console ever to develop for due to its PC architecture, no ?
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Originally posted by mm
rast, qudd
i hope you guys dont think yer poop dont stink cause you claim to be "open minded" gamers. claiming to be an "open minded" gamer does not make you any better than anyone else and makes you an elitest
that shows how naive you could be
you dont like people bashing yer precious xbox, dont get invloved in the conversation. stick to off topic and watch the bob vs. racer fight
wHY dOES it have to be my precious xbox? I just don\'t see why people have to bash for no reason. How would I look bashing gcn every time someone posted a topic about it?
And I think being open minded makes me ten times better than any other gamer:D :o
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then think that, dont whine about it
you\'ll be as bitter as the rest of us in due time
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Ryu...
That fire joke was hilarious. Good one.
:fro:
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Originally posted by JP
Funny, that description kinda sounds like yourself when you first started posting here and to some extent it still sounds like yourself.
How would you know how I first posted...you registered almost a whole year after me???
And mm, I just had to point out that not one of those games rolled all three qualities into one experience...nothing more.
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are you not understanding what i said?
i dont care of halo rolled them into one, its years too late
it should have done all that and more, even at 60 fps!
*head explodes*
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*goes and steps on mm\'s eyeballs*
Years late? I really don\'t think the game could have been accomplished that much sooner...
Whatever...
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it would have been accomplished two years earlier if it wasnt ported from PC, AND done better
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Originally posted by mm
it would have been accomplished two years earlier if it wasnt ported from PC, AND done better
Crying about it won\'t change anything, mm...
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practice what you preach, my friend
:P
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Originally posted by Ginko
How would you know how I first posted...you registered almost a whole year after me???
And mm, I just had to point out that not one of those games rolled all three qualities into one experience...nothing more.
How many times will I go over this. I\'ve been registered here for a lot longer but I lost my login info so I re-registered. And I\'ve visited the forums and read the forums since they started, so yeah I DO know and I don\'t forget easily.
And yeah, I agree totally with mm, practice what you preach.
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Originally posted by JP
How many times will I go over this. I\'ve been registered here for a lot longer but I lost my login info so I re-registered. And I\'ve visited the forums and read the forums since they started, so yeah I DO know and I don\'t forget easily.
And yeah, I agree totally with mm, practice what you preach.
I preach nothing...I just rant.
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well, now that we have all had our fun.. i\'d just like to say this..
Halo is the worst game of all time
XBox is the worst console of all time
Xbox has worse graphics than PS2
Rastalant is the greatest debator of all time
end of story.
i think we can all agree on that..? yup
This was a great thread... for me... to poop on.
[PS - I am a huge dork. Yes, we can all agree on that.]
-Ryu