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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ryu on May 21, 2002, 11:49:24 AM
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New zelda pics and zelda movies from Nintendo.com and IGN!
http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/contents/gamepage/gamecontent/images/e3/zelda-gcn/e3_zelda_gcn_trailer.wmv (DIRECT FEED!)
http://cubemovies.ign.com/cube/video/nbooth022120028.mov
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God this is amazing.
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Originally posted by Ryu
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Did you see the video of this part of the game? It looked incredible. :eek:
Coming to america in February 2003.
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They definitely look good. I can\'t wait for the game myself. I just hope the new graphical approach doesn\'t change the overall feel to the game much.
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Damn right Ryu, Zelda does indeed own me:)
Good god, this game is truely amazing.
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THE MOST AMAZING REAL-TIME TRAILER FOR ZELDA IS HERE!
DOWNLOAD IT NOW!
http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/contents/gamepage/gamecontent/images/e3/zelda-gcn/e3_zelda_gcn_trailer.wmv
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Awesome, this game will rule. Easily the most anticipated game for Gamecube.
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Originally posted by Ryu
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OMG.
OMG.
You cant be serious.
I remember the tech demos Nintendo showed of Zelda and they looked like a million times better then that.
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Click here (http://www.nintendo.com/contents/gamepage/gamecontent/images/e3/super_mario_sunshine/e3_mariosun_gcn_trailer.wmv) for Super Mario Sunshine.. God damnit, this game looks great.
You guys should read GameSpot\'s Mario impressions. Sheesh, even MM will probably end up liking this game.
Clowd: Psst, try viewing one of the several available Zelda videos and then re-think that post.
Since you last saw Zelda at Spaceworld 2001.. it\'s gotten a hell of a lot better-looking.
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I use to be hell bent against this game but now I\'m definitely starting to warm up to the style...totally engrossing. It looks amazing!!
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OMG.
OMG.
You cant be serious.
I remember the tech demos Nintendo showed of Zelda and they looked like a million times better then that.
Just download the direct feed trailer in the first post on this thread. You will NOT be dissapointed.
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Originally posted by Ryu
THE MOST AMAZING REAL-TIME TRAILER FOR ZELDA IS HERE!
DOWNLOAD IT NOW!
http://media.nintendo.com/nintendo/contents/gamepage/gamecontent/images/e3/zelda-gcn/e3_zelda_gcn_trailer.wmv
Wow, that was great.... but I still miss the graphics from the tech demo they had. I think this game would be much better with those graphics for some reason. I\'m personally sick of cell shaded games.
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Originally posted by Clowd
OMG.
OMG.
You cant be serious.
I remember the tech demos Nintendo showed of Zelda and they looked like a million times better then that.
Like Ryu said, see this game in motion. It flows so smoothly it\'s like a wetdream.
(Waits for Clowd to see the movie so he can post more negative stuff)
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Im running a 56k right now so I\'ll probably download the movie later.
Smooth running? Doesnt look like it will take much to give graphics like that a high frame rate... .
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WTF are you talking about? Those graphics are superb! Cel-shading at its absolute best! Seriously man, give me a break...
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I doubt you\'ve seen the tech demos of Zelda in 3-D polygon or whatever not cell-shade
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From Spaceworld 2k?
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That sounds like it... its been a while I remember it was when they showed that video of like 100 marios and all that stuff and CG etc
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That video wasn\'t even in-game. It was just a FMV. And pretty irrelevant considering its not even an actual game.
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That demo showed two people on screen in a confined room, this game is much MUCH bigger than that with lighting that needs to be seen in motion to be believed.
Smooth running? Doesnt look like it will take much to give graphics like that a high frame rate...
Do you have ANY clue at all as to what it takes for a cel shaded game to be run on a console? Miyamoto and MANY other companies making cel shaded games say that the strain on the graphics are just as imposing as polygons are, it\'s just with this, it\'s FAR less obvious. Do not state something you believe as something as fact. All because something looks so simple to do doesn\'t mean you can do it. Just try animating a Disney film on your own and tell me how easy it is in comparison to filiming a Hollywood film.
It usually takes Disney two years minimum to fully animate a film and a big Hollywood producer (like George Lucas) two years in post production to render all the scenes for Episode II. All because something looks easier doesn\'t mean that it is.
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Why is it so less obvious? hmm...
I dont know much about this cell shading so I\'ll stop talking
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thats my opinion
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LOL :laughing: :D
Please don\'t requote pictures. -Ryu
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Why do you all think the graphics even matter that much? It\'s the gameplay that makes it worth while. As long as the new graphics style doesn\'t completely kill the Zelda feel, the game should be great.
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Worst Nightmare = FF cell shading graphics
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That\'s not close to my worst nightmare. Mine would be FF with bad gameplay.
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I think it looks awful. I hate the look, just hate it. It might be fun, be there are lots of fun games, I don\'t want a game for the kid in me, I want a game for the 26 year old that I am.
I\'ve grown up, Nintendo hasn\'t. That\'s fine, my nephew will love it.
Mario looks better, but resembles Mario64 (not graphically)--which is to say it\'ll be fun. But Zelda....ugh.
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Wow, I\'ve been missing your negative comments, where you been Watchdog? ;)
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I dunno.. personally I\'m starting to like the cel-shaded look more than the OOT-esque art style.
Zelda was treading too close to fantasy games like Morrowind. Now the closest comparison is the television show Samurai Jack.. and possibly Jet Set Radio Future. Zelda for GameCube is in a league of its own graphically.
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Well, it seems the look is one of those love or hate things.
And I hate it . I think it looks disgusting.
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Massive revelation! Link\'s new sidekick and love interest! (http://www.geocities.com/hawkerx13/zelda.html)
Rriiight, sorry about that... :p
I love the new look, as many people here, I hated it before I saw it moving some 4 months ago, now I can\'t wait for the damn game, yum. And after that new trailer... awww hell!!!!! Whoever says that that looks like crap either nuts or blind (and deaf)... or just doesn\'t like it, guess that\'s possible too :D The music sounded nice, time for a fully orchestral soundtrack? Kondo\'s music (I\'m just guessing here, but since he\'s done the music for all the other Zelda games too...) works have always sounded much better when backed up by a symphony orchestra...
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Maybe its just that cell shading looks so... childish
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Technically it is really impressive, especially the lighting in some pics. The bad thing is that I absolutely hate the look of this game, those bright kiddie colors make me want to puke
I was hoping Nintendo canned this game and gave us the old one from spaceworld..
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Took some time away, Ryu. ;)
Does anyone else think Zelda looks like that toy maker/doctor in that claymation Christmas show (the one with the Rudolf the red-nosed reindeer)?
The pastel colors make it look like Zelda\'s in Barbie\'s backyard playset.
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HIS EYES! THEY MADE THEM SMALLER! NOW HE LOOKS A LITTLE LESS LIKE THE ELF FROM THAT CHRISTMAS MOVIE!
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I don\'t mind that this game is cell shaded (as I have said time and time again, cell shading is a great tool if used right on the right game). As for the animation, amazing. Just that, the art design...IMO, sucks. Now, it could still be the greatest game gameplay wise, but I just can\'t get pass the fetus look of this Zelda.
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Here we go again....;)
I remember last year\'s E3 when Nintendo unveiled this baby. I also remember the revolt on every board including non-Nintendo boards such as this one. It was a love or hate thing and two of the only people who loved it around here was Ryu and I. Infact, we both even made threads about why the "celda" look was good for the series and guess what? Here we go again...;)
Come on people, Zelda was never about a dark moody setting like the one shown to us at SpaceWorld 2K. I mean, sure that one looked great and all, but it just didn\'t fit the Zelda series. This though, this is not only gorgeous, not only is it a remarkable techincal achievement ..It is also best for the series most likely. It lets the series get back to its root and that is, at best a light-hearted yet deep adventure about an Elf who continues to rescue the same damn princess everytime. Now why do you need dark and mature graphics for such a light hearted story? You don\'t. Instead, you need graphics that are just as light-hearted and care free as the story is.
Now to address indiviual comments.
bright kiddie colors
Holy crap! We no longer just have "kiddie games" we now have "kiddie colors". Soon we will even have "kiddie sounds", "kiddie movement" and so on.
Thanks!
:rolleyes:
I think it looks awful. I hate the look, just hate it. It might be fun, be there are lots of fun games, I don\'t want a game for the kid in me, I want a game for the 26 year old that I am.
I\'ve grown up, Nintendo hasn\'t. That\'s fine, my nephew will love it.
Okay, here we have a contradiction in itself. You admit that it might be fun, but at the same time you trash Nintendo for making the game. Isn\'t the game about being fun? Your nephew will love it, you admit that. How do you know you won\'t love it? Oh, I forgot, the graphics are not mature enough for you. So, you are willing to limit yourself from most likely a great game (what Zelda game hasn\'t been great?) just because of the graphics? Odd and I thought you was a "gamer".
Im running a 56k right now so I\'ll probably download the movie later.
Smooth running? Doesnt look like it will take much to give graphics like that a high frame rate... .
No man, it doesn\'t take anything to give those graphics a high frame rate and the detail that is going into the game to make it look like an interactive cartoon yet play like an actual game (as in: Not like Dragon\'s Lair, which was an interactive cartoon . ) . Seriously, Ryu has already tackled your comment about this, but I had to have a go at it.
No offense, of course.
;)
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Fair enough LIC, but I see no contradiction in my post. Graphics are part of the game, part of the immersion and experience. Graphics like these will take me right out of the game. There\'s a reason why I don\'t watch cartoons or Disney movies, they have good solid stories, timeless characters, rich plots, but I can get all those things in other places.
I can play Diablo or Dungeon Siege for instance. FF isn\'t ultra realistic (even though I dislike the series), but the graphics are aimed at all audiences, not just kids.
You could have the greatest story ever writen, but if it\'s penned by a ten-year-old it won\'t be for me. A peice of art can have all the details, merits, and attention the artistic landscape and cannon intact--all these things make art great--but if my nephew was guiding the brush, I wouldn\'t like it.
JSRF is cell shaded, but it has a decidedly different look. I would have liked a more THPS look, but it was still a far cry from Zelda.
I can appreciate the technical acumen, but I don\'t have to like it.
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hey! i LOVED the look of the new Zelda from the first pic i saw! how dare you say you and Ryu were the only people who liked it.. hell, i probably liked it before you two.. i remember telling Ryu that i liked it well before he created his thread..
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and for god sakes people, Clowd is a frickin\' troll.. yet you all cant help replying to him..
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I think the game looks fine.
My concern, however, lies in the sound of the game.
Judging on the movie trailer I got, the sound of link\'s voice was annoying, very annoying.. and i\'m only listened to it for a whole minute.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Worst Nightmare = FF cell shading graphics
I\'m pretty sure that Square will be able to make a great playable FF in cell shaded. But I prefer them in 3D :D
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just downloaded the Trailer
:D
Superb
//me goes of to play some Zelda Majoras mask on the N64 to get my link fix.
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LIC, You forgot me. I was one of the early defenders of Link also.
All of the impressions that I am seeing on many of the game sights say the game in person is absolutely gorgeous. Example: Penny Arcade (http://www.penny-arcade.com) - These guys are getting a hard-on for this game.
BTW, In this game he sets out to save his sister. I don\'t think Zelda is involved at all.
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Nintendo continues to prove they are a kiddie system.
All this is starting to make me wonder whether Zelda is a series for kids or something for all ages (FF)
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Clowd - who cares if it looks kiddy when it\'s a fun game to play? I used to use that "kiddy arguement" aswell - until I played Mario Tennis not so long ago which really changed my mind towards Nintendo. It may not have as many of those mature theme games like Xbox and PS2, but for what it is (being a very fun and entertaining system), it certainly has a lot to offer and certainly does not deserve people like you bashing it as a "kiddy system".
You should stop the trolling/spamming btw. It\'s not very welcome here, but I\'m sure you\'ll find that out if you continue. ;)
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It really amazes me that so many people can judge a game so quickly by a few screenshots. The way you can dismiss this as just another kiddie game amazes me.
This is Zelda we are talking about, one of the most fun and sucessful videogame series we\'ve ever seen. Did you not enjoy the ones for NES, SNES, and gameboy? Well, in those games, graphics weren\'t an issue. I honestly think that was a better time in gaming, because graphical limitations caused people to focus more on gameplay. A game can look amazing, but if it doesn\'t have good gameplay backing it up, it\'s worthless, and a waste. However, a game with bad graphics and great gameplay can be, and probably would be a great game.
And that\'s assuming the game has bad graphics. This one doesn\'t. The animation runs so smoothly, and really looks stunning in action. The thing doesn\'t even seem to be that the graphics are bad. It\'s that they are too "kiddie" for you, and you have grown up.
Well, the fact is, that shouldn\'t mean a thing. The gameplay will remain loyal to the original series, which should be what really matters. The game should still not only be fun to play, but should be one of the most fun games to play that Gamecube is producing. If you can\'t get over yourself and enjoy the game, then that\'s probably more of a problem with you than with the game.
And as Gohan said, people who have seen this thing in action are completely amazed by it. Best game in show so far, that says something. Listen to what some of them were saying:
This game looks f*cking amazing. I’d say it was the best looking game I saw at the Show today. I would also say it’s probably the best looking game I’ve ever seen in my entire goddamned life. We all just stood there mesmerized by it, with our mouths wide open. Until you have seen this game running you cannot possibly comprehend how gorgeous it is. It’s like a big “f*ck you” to all the people who b*tched about the cartoon look.
Zelda for GC. I didn\'t say anything when those screenshots came out because I wanted to wait and see. I have very little faith for just about everything, but when it comes to anything Link-related I don\'t bat an eye. All I have to say is Zelda is the only reason I bought a N64, and this Zelda is why I\'m going to buy a GC now. To everyone that said they thought it looked horrible? You\'re dead f*cking wrong. It\'s God Damn FANTASMICAL. Gabe overheard two fire-breathing sh*t-eaters make a snide comment about the graphics. I don\'t know how anyone could be that stupid and stubborn with something like that right in front of them. OH NO WAIT, yes I do, the kind of f*cking idiots that breath fire and eat sh*t. Good God, it\'s an amazing piece of work. Everyone shut up, wait and see. If you don\'t think it\'s groin-grabbingly good, you probably breath fire and eat sh*t. Even though that\'s my opinion PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND ME RETARDED HATE MAIL "CORRECTING" ME, THX.
I think that the new Zelda is something that needs to be seen to be believed, and needs to be played to be understood. If you have done both and not come away impressed, I think that you need a new hobby. I\'m not kidding. When something this great comes along, and you\'re simply to jaded to appreciate it, there\'s other things you could be doing you might derive more pleasure from.
Listen to them. Don\'t knock the game based on a few screen shots. Try it. Otherwise, it\'s just showing how close minded you are.
In summary, and how\'s this for irony, people who can\'t get over the "kiddie" look need to grow up
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Originally posted by Clowd
Nintendo continues to prove they are a kiddie system.
All this is starting to make me wonder whether Zelda is a series for kids or something for all ages (FF)
There goes your credibility. :rolleyes: Gamecube is a kiddie console eh? Hmm, I beg to differ. Err wait a min, Every nintendo console is a kiddie console *thinks back to Nes, SNES days, hmm, those aren\'t kiddie.
The kiddie debate(there shouldn\'t be one anyways) is drawn out, by anyone that refuses to look past the N64 days, and the games were a bit childish then. But come on people, Gamecube is far from childish, I mean come on Resident Evil, Resident evil O, Eternal darkness, Need i go on. Zelda is a series for all ages, if you\'ve actually played the games, they aren\'t "just for kids" they require thought, as to where you are to go, and so forth, there are many choices. But, i mean come on, the Kiddie debate, is pointless.
If you don\'t like Zelda or Nintendo, then you don\'t belong in this thread.
Some people:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by seven
it certainly has a lot to offer and certainly does not deserve people like you bashing it as a "kiddy system".
I dont have a right to an opinion?
And Terry. Your right I dont belong in this thread. I have nothing good to say about Nintendo except for Mario. IMO they are are still a kiddie system (resident evil. one game. and you mentioned some other \'mature\' game) but you dont mention the other 90% of the games (pikimin, luigi mansion, starfox)
Why would they go from the darker Zelda look at Spaceworld to this bright la la land kid stuff we see now?
Two words
Kid console
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Originally posted by Clowd
I dont have a right to an opinion?
You are entitled to one yes, but, umm, bringing up the kiddie debate thing pretty much is useless.
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You can voice your opinion. If you do, however, you have to be ready for people to respond to it. Especially if you opinion is so groundless :p
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Okay, so I forgot about Gohan and Bob also being early defenders of the game. I stand corrected. :p
Oh and Clowd, can you read? The original SpaceWorld demo was just that, a tech demo! Not to mention the change was made because of the fantasy enviroment that Zelda represents. A light-hearted adventure, jesus. Read! It had nothing to do with a "kid console".
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Okay, so I forgot about Gohan and Bob also being early defenders of the game. I stand corrected. :p
Oh and Clowd, can you read? The original SpaceWorld demo was just that, a tech demo! Not to mention the change was made because of the fantasy enviroment that Zelda represents. A light-hearted adventure, jesus. Read! It had nothing to do with a "kid console".
*cough* *Raises hand as a defender* If you read my damn post.;) I wasn\'t an early defender, but, blah, now i am.
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
*cough* *Raises hand as a defender* If you read my damn post.;) I wasn\'t an early defender, but, blah, now i am.
but if you read his post you would know he is talking about early defenders.. and specifically early defenders and nothing but early defenders... so put yuor god damn hand down..
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
but if you read his post you would know he is talking about early defenders.. and specifically early defenders and nothing but early defenders... so put yuor god damn hand down..
Okay,
*puts hand down* But anyways, since when are you unbias?
You\'ve changed alot lately. More open minded are we? Eh cool....I guess all you mods in CD gotta keep an open mind too.:) Don\'t take that wrong bob.
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Thanks Ryu for the pics and the movie!
This game is fantastic...and even if I was a bit disappointed at first for the new look...now I have to rethink...and I really like it! Can\'t wait!
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Originally posted by Terry Bogard
Okay,
*puts hand down* But anyways, since when are you unbias?
You\'ve changed alot lately. More open minded are we? Eh cool....I guess all you mods in CD gotta keep an open mind too.:) Don\'t take that wrong bob.
did i ever say i was unbiased? i have never claimed to be anything but a PS2 fanboy..
ugh..
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EEEW EEW LOOKS GAY!!!111
Ehem... I\'m mildly interested - and in the middle of downloading some footage. I\'ll be back. :)
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Yea it looks pretty. But so does half everything else. The only game I looked at and was impressed with was Metroid. But the screen is so busy it\'s distracting.
But with Zelda, the important thing is not the look, it\'s the gameplay. And it\'s very obviously the engine from Ocarina of Time.
That means a couple things, it\'ll be like that game only different to look at. And the \'Space World demo\' was just that - a demo. That fight scene would not be possible with the engine they\'ve been using.
But the game is challenging at times. I tried killing the dragon boss and was only able to stun him a few times. I won\'t give it away, but be assured that until you find the trick to them, the bosses are going to be tough.
The dungeon level we saw was pretty standard fare. Solve torch puzzle, open door. It got a little creative with picking up fallen enemies\' weapons. If one is more powerful than your own, it could be useful to break through barriers that were impenetrable before.
I\'m sure it\'s in the movies you linked to, too, but the boat level was in there too. It was a coin grabbing minigame, more or less. But everything except the wake coming off the boat was beautiful. The nicest looking part was when Link was outside in the sunlight. In a bright environment, everything looks great.
My second favorite was the dragon boss, but he was much more fun to look at than to get killed by. ;]
-Eik
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Originally posted by Clowd
Nintendo continues to prove they are a kiddie system.
You\'re obviously uninformed.
At Nintendo\'s press conference before the show took at least ten minutes saying and showing how they were going for older gamers (and their stereotypical tastes). Not "we\'re for everyone" anymore, but "we\'re still doing that, and we\'re also going for older gamers."
Then they proceeded to show footage of Metroid, Eternal Darkness, and Resident Evil 0 (What did happen to the Bravo team?).
And that\'s only the AAA tip of the iceberg.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
(What did happen to the Bravo team?).
oh wow.. i didnt even think about that.. i thought it was set a matter of weeks before the original...
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I thought RE0 takes place like right before RE1 (like a day or two, heck possibly even hours before). It is supposed to tell the story about Bravo team. From what I\'m gathering, Rebecca and this other dude checked out the train (where the train came from I don\'t know. Guess there are tracks near the mansion or something) while the rest of the team headed for the mansion.
Anyways, my critizim for Celda was never the fact that they went the cell shading route. Or that the made Zelda less "serious". My critizim has always been on the art design that they chose for Zelda. If they did it like the original Zelda cartoon series, that would\'ve been cool. Instead, what we got, was a fetus looking...ick.
Now, even I have to admit, it is growing on me. But unlike some here, instead of going from appalling to cool, for me it from appalling to...tolerable. ;)
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Originally posted by Eiksirf
You\'re obviously uninformed.
At Nintendo\'s press conference before the show took at least ten minutes saying and showing how they were going for older gamers (and their stereotypical tastes). Not "we\'re for everyone" anymore, but "we\'re still doing that, and we\'re also going for older gamers."
Then they proceeded to show footage of Metroid, Eternal Darkness, and Resident Evil 0 (What did happen to the Bravo team?).
And that\'s only the AAA tip of the iceberg.
-Eik
At least they\'re trying. ;)
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Originally posted by Clowd
At least they\'re trying. ;)
What are you implying?
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Originally posted by Rikku
What are you implying?
Nintendo is trying to grow up, I applaud them.
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That\'s awesome...I just hope they don\'t stray too far away from their roots.
BTW, Celda looks phenomenol...
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Tactical espionage action?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.com.com%2Fgamespot%2Fimages%2F2002%2Fe32002%2Fgamecube%2Fzelda%2Fzelda_0524_screen003.jpg&hash=23e1978b00105fb247103c404b8cf6e98c06c019)
Peekin\' around corners is HOT in the games industry nowadays.
Awww damn... *would be so damn broke if he was to buy a \'Cube*