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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Blade on May 24, 2002, 01:54:12 PM
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According to Reuters, anyway. Compare these articles..
http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=987136
http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=985839
Now the GameCube is beating the Xbox in every territory. Not that it matters.. the Xbox had the 300K lead in the US before and dropped it (as you can see, GCN is now 230K units ahead) so GCN isn\'t invincible..
Having all of that early consumer support over Xbox won\'t exactly hurt Nintendo\'s bid for second place though.
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DIE NINTENDO DIE!
errr, i mean GO NINTENDO GO!
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I shouldn\'t have to tell you that those numbers are BS.
NPD = an independent firm, not benefiting by reporting higher numbers.
Nintendo = affected by reported numbers
MS = affected by reported numbers.
If Nintendo was beating MS in total sales in the US, why don\'t the software charts (sales and rentals) imply so? Why don\'t NPD (an outside firm) have GC beating XBox? etc.
Eric Jacob
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because 85% of the xbox titles are rentals at best
the GC\'s are not
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yes, the GC ones are coasters...for \'sippie\' cups.
HA HA HA!
I\'m on fire. That still doesn\'t explain why the majority of GC games never get on the top 10 rental or sales charts, nor are they hardly EVER ever above their XBox counterpart in sales.
Eric Jacob
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top 10 in japan? where the highest xbox game is halo, somewhere in the 40\'s
/me throws left hook
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Actually, Halo was in the 30\'s last week, and yesterday was 6th on the daily charts because of the XBox pricedrop.
but I am talking about US sales and rentals. Where GC is obviously last. I don\'t know why Nintendo would say something like that when no outside source supports their numbers.
Eric Jacob
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you US sales numbers? im dying to see them
gimme the link please, i cant find them anywhere
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AlteredBeast: I hate to sound like a jerk.. but it seems that now that the tables are turned, you\'re just making up excuses. NPD stopped publicly displaying numbers.. these are the first we\'ve gotten in weeks.
If they\'re real or not, they make sense.. and they\'re the only numbers available. gg!
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These are just new reports, not official numbers of any sort, plus they show only Gamecube sales in NA. I\'m gonna have to agree with AlteredBeast on this one in that these reports don\'t give enough info to make judgement.
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These are just new reports, not official numbers of any sort, plus they show only Gamecube sales in NA. I\'m gonna have to agree with AlteredBeast on this one in that these reports don\'t give enough info to make judgement.
There is, however, more then enough information to show that the NGC is owning the xbox in japan.. of course the PSX is owning the xbox in japan.. but thats a differnt story :laughing:
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Originally posted by nonamer
These are just new reports, not official numbers of any sort, plus they show only Gamecube sales in NA. I\'m gonna have to agree with AlteredBeast on this one in that these reports don\'t give enough info to make judgement.
i think you are the only person who has agreed with Altered Beast lately.. :)
anyhoo, i cant wait for more number to make it \'official\'
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Nonamer: The point was that Xbox has fallen to 3rd-place status in America.
It was 2nd in sales behind PS2 since late 2001, now GameCube has edged ahead.
As for overall numbers, Europe is the only wild card.
Japan: GCN; 1.3+ million units sold. Xbox; 200~ thousand units sold.
America: GCN; 2.23 million units sold. Xbox; 2 million units sold.
Europe: GCN; 400~ thousand units sold. Xbox; Supposedly 300~ thousand units sold.. no definite number.
I\'m not bragging here, just stating the facts.
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Was this unexpected?
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Yes!
Considering GameCube\'s comparatively lackluster first quarter (Sonic Adventure 2 vs Jet Set Radio Future, anyone?) the Xbox should have been crushing it. However, in the end of Q1.. the GCN picked up the pace.
More recently, in the second quarter.. Resident Evil drove thousands to run out and buy GCN consoles.
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/me raises hand
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I would have to guess the only reason GC was ever third in NA was because of the lesser number of units shipped in the early months. 1.5 xbox vs .8 mil for GC shipped through December? Something like that. Took a while to catch up in the off season, thas all.
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I\'m sure Resident Evil helped with that...with the price drop, I see it attaching even more. Especially when Metroid, StarFox, and Mario come out in a few months...
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Originally posted by Blade
Nonamer: The point was that Xbox has fallen to 3rd-place status in America.
It was 2nd in sales behind PS2 since late 2001, now GameCube has edged ahead.
As for overall numbers, Europe is the only wild card.
Japan: GCN; 1.3+ million units sold. Xbox; 200~ thousand units sold.
America: GCN; 2.23 million units sold. Xbox; 2 million units sold.
Europe: GCN; 400~ thousand units sold. Xbox; Supposedly 300~ thousand units sold.. no definite number.
I\'m not bragging here, just stating the facts.
And I\'m stating that there\'s not enought "facts" to say this in America.
EDIT: Where did you get the 2 mil for Xbox in NA figure? Also, Europe is just a mess in the figures dept. Who knows who\'s doing conclusively.
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*Sits back and watches debates over who is #2
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my "proof" is in Nintendo\'s own numbers. I don\'t need any outside firm, CSFB or NPD, to tell me that 2.3 million is BS.
Nintendo themselves stated 1.2 million consoles sold through at the end of 2001. Now they are trying to say that by the end of March in 2002 (about 90 days after that) that they sold ANOTHER 1.1 million consoles. Equaling what they did in the busy part of the year. This means they were selling around 90,000 consoles per week average, even though PS2 wasn\'t even selling that well.
You guys believe what you want, but I find it a little ridiculous that GC could sell 90,000 consoles a week in the slowest part of the year.
XBox only needed to sell 500,000 consoles to reach 2 million by the end of march. They needed to sell around 38,000 a week, which is close to what they were averaging at the beginning of the year. Later on, they slipped to around 29,000 a week.
I win, everyone else loses. Unless they can explain how Sonic Adventure 2 and SSBM sold a million consoles in 3 months. Good luck.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
my "proof" is in Nintendo\'s own numbers. I don\'t need any outside firm, CSFB or NPD, to tell me that 2.3 million is BS.
Nintendo themselves stated 1.2 million consoles sold through at the end of 2001. Now they are trying to say that by the end of March in 2002 (about 90 days after that) that they sold ANOTHER 1.1 million consoles. Equaling what they did in the busy part of the year. This means they were selling around 90,000 consoles per week average, even though PS2 wasn\'t even selling that well.
You guys believe what you want, but I find it a little ridiculous that GC could sell 90,000 consoles a week in the slowest part of the year.
XBox only needed to sell 500,000 consoles to reach 2 million by the end of march. They needed to sell around 38,000 a week, which is close to what they were averaging at the beginning of the year. Later on, they slipped to around 29,000 a week.
I win, everyone else loses. Unless they can explain how Sonic Adventure 2 and SSBM sold a million consoles in 3 months. Good luck.
Eric Jacob
Rock on! This site needs more people like you.;)
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GC > xbox
(this tactic is so much easier)
ill let blade do the hard work
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My argument: If MS says that Xbox is winning the US console war, you eat it up like a fly on chit.
If Nintendo says that the GameCube is winning.. after posting better numbers than Xbox in March and releasing a key title in April which further boosted the numbers.. suddenly 2.23 million is impossible and Nintendo is lying.
I dunno, that number makes sense and doesn\'t sound "made up" anyway..
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uhhh, XBox > GC for now. Maybe when Nintendo gets more than 4 games out it will be better...maybe.
So Blade, you are going to tell me that instead of looking factual numbers straight in the eye, you will have this blind faith in Nintendo. So naive.
I believe MS has sold more in the US because it has many more games. Also, I work at Best Buy and we sell at least twice as many XBoxes and Gamecubes. Gamecube sales are nonexistant unless a big game comes out. I can also see sales for all the other Best Buys, and from the ones I have looked up, 9 times out of 10, XBox sells more than GC.
So when MS comes out and says "We have sold more. Here is a number that is a number that is mathematical possible for us to have acheived." I believe them. They only needed to sell 38,000 a week to acheive there reported number. Nintendo needed around 90,000.
I will say it again, and if you still don\'t wanna believe me, you are an idiot. I WIN.
http://www.consolewire.com/news/item.asp?nid=2331
1.2 million at the end of the year. If you ever want to be randomly smacked around, argue with me again. I find proving people wrong to be the only fun of this forum anymore.
Eric Jacob
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They only needed to sell 38,000 a week to acheive there reported number.
you means the sales goal, THEY DRASTICALLY LOWERED?
eric, i respect ya bro, but there\'s no reason to try and throw some weight around. if you call blade outside of his name again, yer blocked from console debating
we simpatico?
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Lol......such a big argument over who is #2 in america........pathetic. Anyway isnt it GBA? Never mind the consoles what about handheld? Its getting better in graphics by the year. Who knows, maybe the next Nintendo hand held thing may have the internet.
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*Head EXPLODES*
I didn\'t call him an idiot, I said if he believes those numbers are still true even after adding things up for him, then he is an idiot, along with everyone else.
Let me go through with this step by step (for our slower viewers)
1. Nintendo reports they sold 1.2 million at the end of 2001
2. Nintendo reports at the end of March in 2003, they have sold 2.3 million
3. The average sales of the Gamecube console weekly were 30,000 in that time, according the NPD TRST, the industry standard for number tracking.
4. This means, in order for Nintendo to have acheived 2.3 million, they need to sell an extra 60,000 consoles per week, through Walmart and a few other stores that represent only 40% of the nation. (not possible, in other words)
5. Through this simple addition, we can now come to the conclusion that Gamecube has NOT sold 2.3 million consoles. Being the generous man that I am, at 40,000 per week (throwing in a third for Wally word numbers), it would put Gamecube\'s numbers closer to 1,820,000.
I WIN. :)
Eric Jacob
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/me shakes head
he has fallen off the deep end
whats this I WIN stuff? its hella lame
its like rastalant saying "xbox what?" after seeing every screenshot
you dont happen to have links to any of these sales charts do ya? i think i asked ya once already in this thread
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Doesnt really matter x box is destined for third even if it isnt right now.
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how many links do you want?
http://www.consolewire.com/news/item.asp?nid=2331
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/review/games/2001/11/20/gamecube-sales.htm
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002jan/bga20020110009696.htm
those all say 1.2 million sold at the end of 2001.
I shouldn\'t have to give you any other links to say that 2.3 million is wrong. npd does not provide the weekly numbers on there site anymore (not even past weeks) so you will have to go by my word, which, judging by this argument, is probably the most true thing in here.
Eric Jacob
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Well, actually.. that \'March\' thing is pretty peculiar. Still, after the manufacturing/shipping drought for the GameCube (which limited sales in early 2002) people started buying the system more. Why? I honestly don\'t know. Personally, I think the Xbox had far better games overall in Q1. It has more games out.. but does this matter? Not really. If somebody wants the Xbox just for Halo and DOA3.. he\'s not going to give a damn about 40~ games. Most of them will be rentals.
As for NPD.. conflicting reports. One week they report big GCN game sales, the week after.. Xbox is on top.
All in all, with all of the conflicting reports on sales and the like.. the Xbox is not on top of the GameCube. I can\'t say that the GCN is on top of the Xbox either, since we don\'t know. Alright? All I know is, GCN was outselling Xbox weekly in March.. and GCN games such as SSBM and Sonic Adventure 2 ranked higher than most Xbox fare that month.
BTW.. you\'re calling me naive? You\'re not even leaving a slight chance for GameCube to be on top based on the Reuters reports or not.. right? That\'s naive. As I said before, GCN was outselling the Xbox during a game drought, long before the system-selling/hard-to-keep-in-stock Resident Evil hit the shelves to boost GameCube sales again.
IMO, it\'s anyone\'s game.. and articles like this seem to enforce the possibility that GCN is #2 in America behind PS2 now. They\'re on the road to outselling Xbox 4-to-1 in Europe, too.. nevermind the domination in Japan..
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I don\'t really care if Nintendo is on top of MS or not, but there is no way in hell that GC sold 2.3 million. It may be beating XBox, but there is no way in hell it sold 1.1 million consoles in 3 months.
I get satisfaction from playing games, not spooging over sales numbers. I enjoy winning arguments on the side, also.
Please tell me that GC sold 2.3 million by March so that I may hurl insults your way (and be kicked out, forever!)
Eric Jacob
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jebus man, let the death grip on the "1.1 million consoles in 3 months" deal
we all can acknowlefge that today the sales break down like this
1. PS2
2. GC
3. xbox
is this gonna change? well, 1. wont
GC will juggle back and forth i presume depending on what hyped title comes out that week.
untill, of course nintendo drops the big boys 4th quarter
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
1.2 million at the end of the year. If you ever want to be randomly smacked around, argue with me again. I find proving people wrong to be the only fun of this forum anymore.
Go check out Off Topic, it\'s pretty fun there too. ;)
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nah, nothing in there but racer vs bob fights