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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: FatalXception on May 24, 2002, 03:11:06 PM
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The article and interview (http://shacknews.com/extras/hpc.x)
The gist:
Right now, they aren\'t even developing the port. When they do get around to it (and it\'s not even close to a priority), they want to drastically improve it over the XB version, by taking advantage of the PC\'s online status, so it will take a while. With HALO 2 on the horizon for the XB, it\'s looking like this will get pushed further and further back... maybe until it\'s forgotten.
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That sucks, I was gonna buy it for my PC.
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Keep dreaming. It\'ll come out just before Halo2 ships, stirring up interest in the xbox and driving sales. Halo is too important to MS.
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yeah, it was thier bread and butter
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You guys expected something else?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FatalXception
With HALO 2 on the horizon for the XB, it\'s looking like this will get pushed further and further back... maybe until it\'s forgotten.
has Halo 2 actually been announced yet? I know Halo Online has but are they the same thing?
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Originally posted by Ginko
has Halo 2 actually been announced yet? I know Halo Online has but are they the same thing?
Yeah theyre the same thing. It sounds awesome to me!
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HALO Online is NOT HALO 2... Why do so many people assume that?
HALO Online is just a version of HALO packed with the incredible multiplayer that Bungie originally wanted to put in.
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Originally posted by Nu
HALO Online is NOT HALO 2... Why do so many people assume that?
HALO Online is just a version of HALO packed with the incredible multiplayer that Bungie originally wanted to put in.
Ya know after spending $300 for the Xbox and $50 for Halo, I seriously think the multiplayer should be in the form of a bloody add-on disc...
hmm.. bloody, guess i ran out of native cuss-words to describe my anoyance at the lack of bots or other costumes... seems like a waste to bother puting so many modes when you can\'t have bots and everyone looks almost identical... and could we get some more weapons and a level maker please.
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Originally posted by PahnCrD
Ya know after spending $300 for the Xbox and $50 for Halo, I seriously think the multiplayer should be in the form of a bloody add-on disc...
They would have done that if it wasn\'t for Microsoft being the greedy sumbizzitches that they are.
seems like a waste to bother puting so many modes when you can\'t have bots and everyone looks almost identical... and could we get some more weapons and a level maker please.
Including all the things you\'ve said, I want to be able to play as a Covenant Elite(Hell, I wouldn\'t mind using a Grunt. :p), or a Marine. How about those massive multiplayer co-op play in Campaign mode that we were looking foward to?(That\'s what got a lot of people interested in HALO in the first place) I want those water vehicles that Bungie talked about way back when. I want the flamethrower back in... And for mm, 60fps, locked. ;)
Lot\'s of stuff they could do with this.
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It\'s quite a shame really that this game will probably never come out on PC (or sometime next year when noone wants it anymore). After all, it was intended for that platform, until Bungee was bought over by Microsoft. I know a lot of friends and PC gamers who are mad about this - and being the PC-gamers that they are, they certainly won\'t buy an Xbox (also because they have Microsoft to thank for not seeing HALO on PC).
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Originally posted by seven
It\'s quite a shame really that this game will probably never come out on PC (or sometime next year when noone wants it anymore). After all, it was intended for that platform, until Bungee was bought over by Microsoft. I know a lot of friends and PC gamers who are mad about this - and being the PC-gamers that they are, they certainly won\'t buy an Xbox (also because they have Microsoft to thank for not seeing HALO on PC).
I guess that\'s kinda like me being mad at Square for being Sony only...sooner or later you just give in. Tell your friends to get over themselves...if they want Halo now, then buy an Xbox. Doesn\'t get much simpler than that...
And don\'t worry, Halo will come to PC...right around the time Xbox is getting Halo 2;)
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Hexen is better than Halo.
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Might and Magic is better than Final Fantasy.
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No really... any game where you can turn your opponent into a pig and then chase them around with an axe is great.
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No really... any game where you can fight jesters and kitchen appliances is great.
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Originally posted by Ginko
I guess that\'s kinda like me being mad at Square for being Sony only...sooner or later you just give in. Tell your friends to get over themselves...if they want Halo now, then buy an Xbox. Doesn\'t get much simpler than that...
And don\'t worry, Halo will come to PC...right around the time Xbox is getting Halo 2;)
LOL whats your point? The relationship between Square and Sony hasn\'t changed, nor did it have ANY consequences on future releases. Bungee however had a game coming for PC that now, thanks to Microsoft, probably won\'t see the light on that particular platform for a loooooong time. My friends and myself have every reason to be pissed. What\'s your point Ginko? Or is it just your pointless rant once again?
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Um... FF7 was to be released on the 64 at first, right? Playstation came through and... o_O;
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Nu, please don\'t get me started on PSX history. Everyone knows that Nintendo ****ed up - Sony didn\'t buy SquareSoft. It was all done by their own free will. I would also have loved to see the N64 do a game based on 3 CDs...
:rolleyes:
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The legend goes that it was Nintendo\'s sticking with cartrige format which drove Square into the arms of Sony. FFVII also went to PC soon after PSX. Square Sony only? No. Nintendo queered their deal with Square, don\'t blame Sony.
Might & Magic great but < FF
Hexen sucked compared to its predecessor and my namesake, Heretic:p
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Boo hoo, get an xbox and stop crying about Halo. I told you guys right from the start that it wouldn\'t come out until no one cares anymore. I was assaulted with press releases and quotes and called a fanboy.
Anyway, no one should be surprised, and if you and your friends are then I have no sympathy for you.
Hexen is great but < Halo
Might and Magic III sucked compared to its predecessor and no one\'s namesake, Might and Magic II
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Watchdog, I never said I was suprised nor did I ever say it would come different. That however still gives me and a lot of other people enough reason to be pissed about it. Why should I buy an Xbox if I already have a good PC and a PS2? Just because of Halo with 30 fps with no online play? Thanks - but no thanks. ;)
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Screw Halo, I want to dig up a copy of Might & Magic II now. M&MIII was the one I thought was great.
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Originally posted by seven
LOL whats your point? The relationship between Square and Sony hasn\'t changed, nor did it have ANY consequences on future releases. Bungee however had a game coming for PC that now, thanks to Microsoft, probably won\'t see the light on that particular platform for a loooooong time. My friends and myself have every reason to be pissed. What\'s your point Ginko? Or is it just your pointless rant once again?
What about when square ditched Nintendo? A game that was in development got scratched and put on another system...who cares what went on behind the scenes?
and the point was to get over yourselves...they\'re just games:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by seven
It was all done by their own free will.
So Bungie was forcefully bought out by Microsoft? :)
The situation seems quite similar to me. 64 owners were anticipating the next FF, they missed out on it \'cause it was moved to another platform. PC owners were anticipating HALO, they missed out on it \'cause it was moved to the Xbox. Nevermind what went on behind the scenes, this whole argument is about how gamers got played, right?
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Originally posted by Nu
So Bungie was forcefully bought out by Microsoft? :)
The situation seems quite similar to me. 64 owners were anticipating the next FF, they missed out on it \'cause it was moved to another platform. PC owners were anticipating HALO, they missed out on it \'cause it was moved to the Xbox. Nevermind what went on behind the scenes, this whole argument is about how gamers got played, right?
And doesn\'t the story go that Bungie approached MS to be bought out? Could be wrong, doesn\'t matter either way...
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Yes, it was Bungie that approached Microsoft. I mentioned that a few months ago during a very similar rant.
You guys would all be singing the praises of Sony and Bungie if Bungie would have approached Sony instead. You guys get "pissed" at MS so easily, but Sony would have done the exact same thing/
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it really doesnt matter to me either way at this point in time
but i cant see bungie going to m$ and saying "let us release out title to yer console exclusively and severly limit it sales"
but then again, m$ probably paid them dump trucks of cash so it made it all worth it
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Originally posted by mm
it really doesnt matter to me either way at this point in time
but i cant see bungie going to m$ and saying "let us release out title to yer console exclusively and severly limit it sales"
but then again, m$ probably paid them dump trucks of cash so it made it all worth it
I thought the same thing too. Not to mention that they were working on a PS2 title at the time which looked quite good..
What about when square ditched Nintendo? A game that was in development got scratched and put on another system...who cares what went on behind the scenes?
Yup - of course Sony is the one to be blamed. Nintendo was oh so good for choosing catridges and telling devs what to do and what not. But we won\'t mention that... :rolleyes: I really can\'t see any relevance between Bungee/Microsoft and Sony/Square. Nintendo shot themselves with the N64 and it had nothing to do with Sony. And btw; no game was in development that got scratched.
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Originally posted by mm
it really doesnt matter to me either way at this point in time
but i cant see bungie going to m$ and saying "let us release out title to yer console exclusively and severly limit it sales"
but then again, m$ probably paid them dump trucks of cash so it made it all worth it
Well it takes exclusive content to seperate the system from eachother, and to sell systems. Ms buying bungie was a good investment. And Halo is the best selling game on xbox.
So hey it works out.
And seven nobody cares if you buy a xbox or not. Your the one who is going to miss out on great games.
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Originally posted by seven
Yup - of course Sony is the one to be blamed. Nintendo was oh so good for choosing catridges and telling devs what to do and what not. But we won\'t mention that... :rolleyes: I really can\'t see any relevance between Bungee/Microsoft and Sony/Square. Nintendo shot themselves with the N64 and it had nothing to do with Sony. And btw; no game was in development that got scratched.
I\'m not blaming anyone, like I said, who cares what goes on behind the scenes...
I guess those FFVII pics in my Nintendo power so many years ago were just a figment of my imagination...
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Ginko, I doubt that those were true official N64 screens of the game. Square chose to put FFVII on PlayStation because the N64 just wasn\'t capable of handling that amount of data thanks to the infirious cartridge format. Remember when Square announced FFVII was going to appear on PSX? Everyone was shocked. As Square later said, it was due to the N64 not being technically capable for their game - but it could have also been because of Square not being happy with Nintendo for some reasons (freedom maybe?). Point still is though, it was Square\'s own will to shuffle the game onto another platform. Seing that FFVII was released on 3 cd\'s (well over 1 GB of data) - it\'s not hard to believe that the cartridge medium was not an option.
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Originally posted by seven
Ginko, I doubt that those were true official N64 screens of the game. Square chose to put FFVII on PlayStation because the N64 just wasn\'t capable of handling that amount of data thanks to the infirious cartridge format. Remember when Square announced FFVII was going to appear on PSX? Everyone was shocked. As Square later said, it was due to the N64 not being technically capable for their game - but it could have also been because of Square not being happy with Nintendo for some reasons (freedom maybe?). Point still is though, it was Square\'s own will to shuffle the game onto another platform. Seing that FFVII was released on 3 cd\'s (well over 1 GB of date) - it\'s not hard to believe that the cartridge medium was not an option.
Real game or not, I saw pics and read first impressions of an early build of FFVII on N64...
Square did state that the cd as a medium would serve them better in making their ideal game...so they switched.
You\'re getting away from the point, who cares what system the game is on. You want it, then get it...no point in holding grudges against videogames...
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Originally posted by seven
Point still is though, it was Square\'s own will to shuffle the game onto another platform.
As I understand, it was Bungie\'s own will to seek out MS...
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* Nu sighs.
Only reason 64 couldn\'t handle FFVII: Tons of useless FMVs that lots of diehard FF fans complained about.
And if it is true that Bungie approached Microsoft to be bought out, the situation becomes exactly the same as the FFVII on PSX argument.
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I could give a rat\'s ass for Halo. And I mean that quite literally. Our cats leave the ass ends of rats on our front door mat every other week.
What does bother me is that some of you still think what happened to FFVII is a similar situation. Want to ignore why Square abandoned the N64 and opted to go with PSX? Fine, FFVII was smash hit on PSX and released for PC while it was still fresh. Case closed
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Originally posted by Nu
* Nu sighs.
And if it is true that Bungie approached Microsoft to be bought out, the situation becomes exactly the same as the FFVII on PSX argument.
Okay fair enough.. but
...I highly doubt that Bungie approached Microsoft. After all, they had nothing to loose and a PS2 version in the works that looked great. I think it\'s more likely that Microsoft payed them a lot of money. Why would Bungie sell themselves to a company knowing that their important port on a highly succesful console would be canned anyway if they\'d do so? Makes no sense.
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Originally posted by Heretic
I could give a rat\'s ass for Halo. And I mean that quite literally. Our cats leave the ass ends of rats on our front door mat every other week.
/me wonders why you added this as it doesn\'t matter.
What does bother me is that some of you still think what happened to FFVII is a similar situation. Want to ignore why Square abandoned the N64 and opted to go with PSX? Fine, FFVII was smash hit on PSX and released for PC while it was still fresh. Case closed
I think they can be thrown in similar situations...Square opted to go with PSX because it was more capable for making thier game come to life. Bungie could have gone with Xbox based on capability to make a better game...
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Originally posted by seven
Okay.. but
...I highly doubt that Bungie approached Microsoft. After all, they had nothing to loose and a PS2 version in the works that looked great. I think it\'s more likely that Microsoft payed them a lot of money. Why would Bungie sell themselves to a company knowing that their important port on a highly succesful console would be canned anyway if they\'d do so? Makes no sense.
Guess we\'ll never know for sure...
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Originally posted by Ginko
/me wonders why you added this as it doesn\'t matter.
me/being ot + funny. That\'s alright, I don\'t need you to laugh
Originally posted by Ginko
I think they can be thrown in similar situations...Square opted to go with PSX because it was more capable for making thier game come to life. Bungie could have gone with Xbox based on capability to make a better game...
Oh, and going to PC would restrict bringing Halo more to life? Now who is being funny?
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me/being ot + funny. That\'s alright, I don\'t need you to laugh
laugh at what?
Oh, and going to PC would restrict bringing Halo more to life? Now who is being funny?
A pc version was always in the works, I\'m talking about consoles...
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Originally posted by Ginko
A pc version was always in the works, I\'m talking about consoles...
Key word- was. The PC version of Halo would be out already, if it were up to bungie. Don\'t you think?
I\'m talking about MS control over Bungie vs Sony control over Square and the net result to gamers.
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I highly doubt that Bungie approached Microsoft. After all, they had nothing to loose and a PS2 version in the works that looked great.
I replied to this...
Key word- was. The PC version of Halo would be out already, if it were up to bungie. Don\'t you think?
I\'m talking about MS control over Bungie vs Sony control over Square and the net result to gamers.
Most likely, but then what would Xbox have to flaunt? MS got something good and no one seems to be able to get over it...
And I really have to question how much influence Sony really has over Square. Being that none of their franchises have even been announced as a maybe for another console has me wondering...
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Technically, a PC is a console so you need not wonder much about Square\'s wings being clipped. Rumor mills had Nintendo demanding exclusive content for GC in order for Square to publish on GBA. Since that\'s exactly how things turned out, the rumors seem very valid. What choice in video consoles other than PSX did Square have? The N64 bridge was burned. What else? The soon to be dead DC? With out a user base in Japan, an xbox release isn\'t justified.
Your right about MS though. They have to keep whatever they can get their hands on exclusive to xbox. It\'s obvious to me Sony doesn\'t feel the same kind of pressure (GT3 to PC).
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Originally posted by Heretic
Technically, a PC is a console so you need not wonder much about Square\'s wings being clipped. Rumor mills had Nintendo demanding exclusive content for GC in order for Square to publish on GBA. Since that\'s exactly how things turned out, the rumors seem very valid. What choice in video consoles other than PSX did Square have? The N64 bridge was burned. What else? The soon to be dead DC? With out a user base in Japan, an xbox release isn\'t justified.
While I really don\'t want to bring it up again, it can be argued that PSX in Japan didn\'t take off until FFVII was announced and released...I think they can "make" a console do well, if a exclusive FF game was announced for Xbox, how do you think it would fare?
Your right about MS though. They have to keep whatever they can get their hands on exclusive to xbox.
Halo will go to PC, just at a later time like GT3 did...If I were just starting out in the console business I would be very hard pressed to let a hot property go somewhere else when it is still racking up sales for my console...
It\'s obvious to me Sony doesn\'t feel the same kind of pressure (GT3 to PC).
That\'s obvious to everybody...Sony has it made, they don\'t need to worry about much. They have the user base and a very captive audience...that doesn\'t come right away though.
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And I really have to question how much influence Sony really has over Square. Being that none of their franchises have even been announced as a maybe for another console has me wondering...
While I really don\'t want to bring it up again, it can be argued that PSX in Japan didn\'t take off until FFVII was announced and released...I think they can "make" a console do well, if a exclusive FF game was announced for Xbox, how do you think it would fare?
You do know that making games for multiple platforms comes at a certain expense, right? Why should Square have any need to make a FF game for a console that lacks the sales in Japan (and worldwide compared to PS2)? Supporting a game on a second console costs a lot of money, and neither GameCube nor Xbox are giving Square any reason to support them.
Halo will go to PC, just at a later time like GT3 did...If I were just starting out in the console business I would be very hard pressed to let a hot property go somewhere else when it is still racking up sales for my console...
Well, as Heretic nicely pointed out, Microsoft certainly has their reasons for delaying the PC version. We\'re not blaming them - just says a lot about the position Microsoft is in.
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Originally posted by seven
Well, as Heretic nicely pointed out, Microsoft certainly has their reasons for delaying the PC version. We\'re not blaming them - just says a lot about the position Microsoft is in.
Well, it is their\'s now...they can do what they want and how they want...
You do know that making games for multiple platforms comes at a certain expense, right? Why should Square have any need to make a FF game for a console that lacks the sales in Japan (and worldwide compared to PS2)? Supporting a game on a second console costs a lot of money, and neither GameCube nor Xbox are giving Square any reason to support them.
I thought GC is already getting a FF as well as GBA?
Other companies support multiple consoles and profit, Square has never even ventured outside of Sony territory in the last 5 years. (PC doesn\'t count) There were rumors of FFVIII going to DC way back when, throw a few extras in there, the game will sell and it becomes worth the time...DC, GC, and Xbox touted very easy developement, I don\'t think it would take an enormous amount of effort...
THAT and if the FF titles go to PC, why not take that itty bity extra step and put it on Xbox?
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I\'ll make you a bet Seven. If I can prove that Bungie approached MS you agree to never come here again. If I can\'t prove it, then I will leave with enternal banishment.
Take that bet or shut the hell up, because I know for a fact that Bungie approached MS. I don\'t care what you "highly doubt" it\'s the truth, I\'m sorry if you can\'t accept that MS isn\'t as evil as you once thought.
And the situation between Sony and Square is worse by the flawed logic in this thread. Bungie approached MS. Sony bought stock in Square and made them exclusive. Those are the facts of the case and they are indisputable (unless, Seven, you take my bet).
As far as I\'m concerned, it\'s all fair game. Sony made a good business decision to buy a chunk of Square, MS is making a good decision to hold back Halo. It\'s all fair, in fact applauded, in the business world. Move away from Sesame Street and check into the real world--that\'s how successful business are run.
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Or how about this analogy:
I\'m sure many Xbox owners who were anticipating GTA3 got pissed off when Sony pimped TakeTwo. Now the solution is simple: Buy a PS2.
If you want to play Halo, buy the \'box.
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Originally posted by mm
it really doesnt matter to me either way at this point in time
but i cant see bungie going to m$ and saying "let us release out title to yer console exclusively and severly limit it sales"
but then again, m$ probably paid them dump trucks of cash so it made it all worth it
Hey Halo went platinum and Bungie didn\'t spend a dime on advertising. Jason Jones and company are laughing all the way to the bank. How do you know Halo would have sold as good as it did on the PC? The PC market is huge, but when you consider the amount of PC owners who have PC\'s capable of running today\'s games, that number drops severely.
Anyways, the PC market is still important to Microsoft, so it will be released on the PC. But Halo still has Xboxes to sell. Mac fans? Well...
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I thought GC is already getting a FF as well as GBA?
Other companies support multiple consoles and profit, Square has never even ventured outside of Sony territory in the last 5 years. (PC doesn\'t count) There were rumors of FFVIII going to DC way back when, throw a few extras in there, the game will sell and it becomes worth the time...DC, GC, and Xbox touted very easy developement, I don\'t think it would take an enormous amount of effort...
THAT and if the FF titles go to PC, why not take that itty bity extra step and put it on Xbox?
I was actually refering to Xbox, not as much to GameCube since that\'s a bit a different story due to the relationship the two companies once had. Nintendo obviously gave Square enough reason to jump ship during the PSX/N64 days and have them ignoring them until today. The point is still, bringing a game to multiple platforms costs money. That means, a GameCube version costs money and so does a Xbox version. They just can\'t take the code and copy/paste it into a directX environment to make it work. To port a game, you need money, time and resources - resources that are obviously being used for other PS2 games at the moment (FFXI for America, Europe and the next FFXII). That Square has a secondary division actually handling the FF games for GameCube quite nicely sums up what I just said above. Square is saving resources and trying to make some bucks on the other "succesful" platform.
And Microsoft\'s Xbox with how many sales in Japan? a bit over 200\'000 is clearly NOT AN OPTION if you take time, effort and money into account to port a game over.
I\'ll make you a bet Seven. If I can prove that Bungie approached MS you agree to never come here again. If I can\'t prove it, then I will leave with enternal banishment.
Take that bet or shut the hell up, because I know for a fact that Bungie approached MS. I don\'t care what you "highly doubt" it\'s the truth, I\'m sorry if you can\'t accept that MS isn\'t as evil as you once thought.
And the situation between Sony and Square is worse by the flawed logic in this thread. Bungie approached MS. Sony bought stock in Square and made them exclusive. Those are the facts of the case and they are indisputable (unless, Seven, you take my bet).
As far as I\'m concerned, it\'s all fair game. Sony made a good business decision to buy a chunk of Square, MS is making a good decision to hold back Halo. It\'s all fair, in fact applauded, in the business world. Move away from Sesame Street and check into the real world--that\'s how successful business are run.
Watchdog, boy you really like me do you? :D I won\'t make a bet and I really don\'t know why I should? I\'ll hapilly debate with you, but that\'s as far as I will go. Don\'t know how anyone will benefit if one of us goes..?!
Anyway, as I said above; I highly doubt that Bungie approached Microsoft and I wouldn\'t know why you would know this for a fact. As fact, I mean as in first-hand information. So, bring on your facts - or let it be. ;)
Or how about this analogy:
I\'m sure many Xbox owners who were anticipating GTA3 got pissed off when Sony pimped TakeTwo. Now the solution is simple: Buy a PS2.
If you want to play Halo, buy the \'box.
...or buy the PC version which not only looks better but also plays better. ;)
EDIT: corrected some spelling mistakes... :)
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Yeah, I expected this sort of crap--this has been your calling card all along.
You say all sorts of garbage, like many here do, but you do so with an air of superiority, like we all should bow down to you and your vast intelligence.
You NEVER take anyone else\'s ideas or views as anything, even if it\'s a developer speaking, it\'s always you that is right. You\'ll never concede to someone else if they have an expertise or propriatary info because the world evidently revolves around you.
As far as you\'re concerned, it\'s not accurate or correct unless you believe it or it\'s your theory or it came from the tight confines of your own mind.
What you do isn\'t debating. I say I know this for a fact, that it is undeniable, yet you hold firm and believe differently all the while without a shred of evidence. This is why you are never taken seriously, why no one can bank on anything you say.
If you have so much conviction, put it out there.
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There\'s a high level of intelligence in this thread.:rolleyes:
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So, bring on your facts - or let it be.
Watchy, since you chose to ignore my above sentence, I take it you don\'t have any facts to back your claim up. Well, too bad I guess... ;)
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:laughing: Knew that was comin\'.
C\'mon, Watchdog. Give \'im some proof. :)
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Mmh, I think I know where this is heading. I\'ll probably see a interview with some guy from Bungie off the record telling the world how they approached Microsoft to be bought over. Riiiight?
Well, I\'m not sure to how credible I would find that. I don\'t know, but I just don\'t see a succesfull pc developer with a AAA title in the works wanting to get bought over, especially if they know that it will get both their versions of Halo canned and squeezed exclusively for a console that might not even sell well. Not to mention that sales on the PS2 and PC platform would have been much higher than those presented currently on Xbox. That\'s my reasoning to doubt the whole "Bungie approached Microsoft" thing.
Anyway, to me, it\'s speculation anyway and I never said that my opinion == fact. It\'s just that some members in here despretely feel the need to prove my opinion wrong or what ever. Hell, even if I use the IMO tags and state clearly that I doubt something, you\'ll have the typical members trying to take me down on those comments. Now that\'s what I find very amusing. :)
EDIT: Forgot the little smily. :)
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I was actually refering to Xbox, not as much to GameCube since that\'s a bit a different story due to the relationship the two companies once had. Nintendo obviously gave Square enough reason to jump ship during the PSX/N64 days and have them ignoring them until today. The point is still, bringing a game to multiple platforms costs money. That means, a GameCube version costs money and so does a Xbox version. They just can\'t take the code and copy/paste it into a directX environment to make it work. To port a game, you need money, time and resources - resources that are obviously being used for other PS2 games at the moment (FFXI for America, Europe and the next FFXII). That Square has a secondary division actually handling the FF games for GameCube quite nicely sums up what I just said above. Square is saving resources and trying to make some bucks on the other "succesful" platform.
And Microsoft\'s Xbox with how many sales in Japan? a bit over 200\'000 is clearly NOT AN OPTION if you take time, effort and money into account to port a game over.
Okay, I don\'t know exactly how you managed to drag this further and further off topic, but you did.
None of this really matters anyway, it\'s just speculation as you say. So what\'s there to argue?
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Okay, I don\'t know exactly how you managed to drag this further and further off topic, but you did.
Funny, I recall you being the one that dragged this one off topic as I replied to your following rant further up:
And I really have to question how much influence Sony really has over Square. Being that none of their franchises have even been announced as a maybe for another console has me wondering...
To refresh your memory, you were hinting that Sony has a big influence on Square, thus limiting them to port their franchises onto other systems. My arguement is simply that ports or support for other platforms require a big amount of a) resources, b) time and c) money which are reason enough to stay on the most succesful platform.
So, I don\'t know exactly how you managed to blame me for dragging this further and further off topic, but you did.
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The only fact that stands out very well here is Watchdog has a raging hard on for seven
Try to find some ice for that red rocket your packin\', okay Dawg? Silly bets ain\'t gonna cut it
BTW, Sony bought a piece of Square late last year, Square goes on to cut a deal with Nintendo. Which really sh itcans the whole Bungie/Square comparison.
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Originally posted by seven
To refresh your memory, you were hinting that Sony has a big influence on Square, thus limiting them to port their franchises onto other systems. My arguement is simply that ports or support for other platforms require a big amount of a) resources, b) time and c) money which are reason enough to stay on the most succesful platform.
So, I don\'t know exactly how you managed to blame me for dragging this further and further off topic, but you did.
LOL...but then you answered with your opinion as to what you think is the cause...
wonders how this always happens with seven
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Originally posted by Heretic
The only fact that stands out very well here is Watchdog has a raging hard on for seven
Try to find some ice for that red rocket your packin\', okay Dawg? Silly bets ain\'t gonna cut it
BTW, Sony bought a piece of Square late last year, Square goes on to cut a deal with Nintendo. Which really sh itcans the whole Bungie/Square comparison.
You all looked way to deep into this...the simplest explanantion (concerning consoles only!!!) is that they went with the machine that could best handle their ideal games at their respective times...(also speculation;) )
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Ginko,
that wasn\'t my opinion, but pretty much general knowledge. If you think porting and supporting more than one platform is absolutely free at no cost, then I guess you\'ve been dreaming.
and, the arguement Heretic brought up just in his last reply settles your arguement pretty nicely aswell, as it proves that Square is in fact supporting those other "succesful" platforms. So, what\'s your point really? Or are you still ranting away?
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Originally posted by seven
Ginko,
that wasn\'t my opinion, but pretty much general knowledge. If you think porting and supporting more than one platform is absolutely free at no cost, then I guess you\'ve been dreaming.
No, I figured as much. I just don\'t take it as the answer to why Square isn\'t multiconsole...it\'s just your opinion on the subject.
and, the arguement Heretic brought up just in his last reply settles your arguement pretty nicely aswell, as it proves that Square is in fact supporting those other "succesful" platforms. So, what\'s your point really? Or are you still ranting away?
I\'ll always rant, it\'s my style. As far as settling arguements, I don\'t feel like anyone has accomplished anything here...
It\'s actually a seperate division of Square that is developing for Nintendo. Isn\'t that division also funded by N?
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Heretic you\'re an idiot, what are you trying to say?
Anyway, proof around here goes nowhere, so we\'ll all just believe Seven, because he knows best.
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Watchdog, you don\'t understand what I said and I\'m the idiot? Hmmm... no, I just don\'t believe you\'re that dense. Hey but if you say so...
This is only the umpteenth time you\'ve raged at seven for long ago burning you in a debate, fair and square.
Get over it
Ginko, the topic was Halo to PC yet you for some reason insist PCs don\'t count in your argument, then accuse seven of dragging things off topic.
Make up your mind
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When did he burn me in a debate, and why would I really care?
I\'ve admitted many many times when I\'ve been wrong. I\'ve stated my opinion of Seven and why I have it. I\'m not here keeping tabs on my ability to prove a point. Aparently you are keeping a running tally. Bravo. Wish my life was that bereft of incident.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
why would I really care?
Good question. Why then, consistently act as if you care so very much? Otherwise and you\'d always brush seven off with a short quip instead resorting so often to major hissy fits.
Up 2 U
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...I highly doubt that Bungie approached Microsoft. After all, they had nothing to loose and a PS2 version in the works that looked great.
points at seven
He started it!!!
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Why? Because he acts like he knows everything. It\'s all attitude. I brush Chrono and directxbox off and don\'t give a second thought to it. I wouldn\'t waste my time showing up Chrono like this.
Seven acts as if he\'s the seer of all things--period. This is good for his ego.