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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: jm on May 26, 2002, 06:04:05 PM
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Well, this weekend was history in the making, and I watched all of it.
Let\'s start off with my team, the LA Lakers. Truely a story I might add. Heres where they seperate the front runners with the true fans. I can just SMELL and see it everyday. My friends bet on playoff games, and I can tell you, all the assumed "true LA fans" all turned their backs and had their money on the Kings, and I saw the jersey\'s being worn in favor for Sacramento! Not suprised though.
Talk about a huge King accomplishment on Friday night, they really earned their win with phenominal shots down the stretch and keeping their composure throughout the 48 minutes. I had to tip my hat off to them for feating with their fears. I was actually glad LA lost because quite frankly, I don\'t see or feel they are playing to their game. A loss like that had to be like once in like 10 years kind thing, but I soon found out in the 1st quarter of Game 4, the Kings showed up to win..
But, I also felt the Kings were too confident, and sure enough, they broke down in the 2nd half. I saw it with they first inbounce, they walked up the ball instead of the high tiempo kind of play and passing. And what do you know, Mr. Clutch (yes, he is Mr. Clutch, not KB) hits his now famous 3-point jumper. I always loved this guy, and have been criticized forever about admiring him, saying he\'s nothing. All I can do now is laugh at all the nonbelievers.
Aside from that, how about the Celtics?? Walker bringing his team in the huddle at the start of the 4th quarter and going off on them. That\'s the kind of leadership they need. They definately got the supporting cast, but I doubt this will ever happen again for quite sometime. I know New Jersey\'s confience will be up to par next game, and Kidd will get downright dirty. Expect a thriller series.
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Half court shot, end of half, hand on ball with triple zeros, enough said....
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Originally posted by theomen
Half court shot, end of half, hand on ball with triple zeros, enough said....
The play offs have been full of bad officiating
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yes they have, I\'m not blaming the loss souly on that bad call, I\'m just quite upset at the hole game.
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Officials don\'t decide games, players do. Officials aren\'t biased one way or the other. Sometimes, the calls for one team just stand out more because they are on flashier plays (like halfcourt shots). You ever tried officiating a game like that? It\'s not as easy as it looks.
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fix your avatar jm.:D
go raptors!!1:p
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Looked like it would be another game 3 after the first quarter.. Who does everybody think will win? I know it\'s up in the air right now, but I see the Lakers taking it..
And who cares about Boston vs. NJ? :o :laughing:
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Can the Lakers once for the first goddamn time in the playoffs come out the first quarter with a lead?!?!
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I hate the Lakers, I hate Horry, I hate Fisher. I hate everyone that has anything to do with that team. You act like Horry\'s some god, when all he does is sit at the 3 point line and wait for the ball. I mean, they have to score and Kobe drives, Horry stays out and somehow ends up with an open 3 at the buzzer. Pathetic, just pathetic. You guys knock on Vlade for flopping, what happened when Horry came down to his spot on the floor and barely touched Funderburke, then he flies into the Kings bench. Foul on Funderburke. The ref during the timeout says if someone gets hit going to their position with or without the ball, he\'s gonna call a foul. Well I wanna know why he didn\'t blow his whistle two plays before when Bibby was bringing the ball up and Fisher reached all the way across and stole the ball. It was clear that Fisher was all over him, no call. Hell, even the announcers pointed that one out. The Lakers got lucky, and if Peja was playing the Kings would be up 3-1. Simple as that. If Peja plays game 5, Kings win. Game 6 in LA will be close, if the Lakers win they\'ll lose at Arco in game 7. Kings move on and beat the winner of the East...who will be...
....the Nets....if they stop breaking down in the 4th quarter. I want Boston to win, but i don\'t see them doing it. They don\'t have a good enough supporting cast. Pierce and Walker almost always play good, but the rest are inconsistant. Delk, Rodgers, and Kenny Anderson make some clutch shots sometimes, but they\'re usually quiet. The Nets on the other hand have Kidd, who can do wonders for a team. Van Horn makes some big shots, is a decent defender, and can pull down the boards. Martin is their bruiser, he bangs the other team up and pulls down boards. MaColloche (sp?) is a decent big man. I just don\'t see how Boston can win without huge games by Pierce and Walker. Oh well...
BEAT L.A.!!!![/size][/b]
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I think the Lakers will do better when Peja returns. I can\'t explain it, but I just know it.
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The Lakers don\'t have anyone who can guard Peja. Even if they put Kobe on him, who\'s gonna guard Bibby? Fisher definately can\'t...
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OH MY LORDEE LORD. Fisher is an exceptional, if not in the top 5, defensive PGs in the game. He hustles, gets loose balls, and has stellar defense.
Kobe vs. Peja = Kobe
Fisher vs. Bibby = Tie. This is a pendulum matchup, some times one shows up and sometimes the other. Bibby had bad games in the first meetings keep in mind, don\'t be blinded by his highlight games.
Horry vs. Webber = Webber. Although I personally think he\'s very overrated, I give this one to Webber. Horry\'s defense is great, but Horry tends to get in foul trouble often. Horry is the much better clutch performer though.
Fox vs. Turkoglu = Tie. Turkoglu\'s struggled this series and Fox has contributed on occasions, end of story.
O\'Neal vs. Divac = O\'neal. If the kings don\'t get the Championship ring, at least we all know that Divac will win an Oscar.
Lakers vs. Kings = Tie. Although when you look at the player matchups, you can\'t believe how this series is tied at 2 a piece right now. The fact is, Kings know how to play the Lakers, they aren\'t the number one seeded team in the west for nothing, although I think Lakers will come out on top, Kings are giving them a run for their money.
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
OH MY LORDEE LORD. Fisher is an exceptional, if not in the top 5, defensive PGs in the game. He hustles, gets loose balls, and has stellar defense.
Kobe vs. Peja = Kobe
Fisher vs. Bibby = Tie. This is a pendulum matchup, some times one shows up and sometimes the other. Bibby had bad games in the first meetings keep in mind, don\'t be blinded by his highlight games.
Horry vs. Webber = Webber. Although I personally think he\'s very overrated, I give this one to Webber. Horry\'s defense is great, but Horry tends to get in foul trouble often. Horry is the much better clutch performer though.
Fox vs. Turkoglu = Tie. Turkoglu\'s struggled this series and Fox has contributed on occasions, end of story.
O\'Neal vs. Divac = O\'neal. If the kings don\'t get the Championship ring, at least we all know that Divac will win an Oscar.
Lakers vs. Kings = Tie. Although when you look at the player matchups, you can\'t believe how this series is tied at 2 a piece right now. The fact is, Kings know how to play the Lakers, they aren\'t the number one seeded team in the west for nothing, although I think Lakers will come out on top, Kings are giving them a run for their money.
problem! the lineup with peja is as follows; Divac, Webber, Peja, Christie, and Bibby
Vlade vs Shaq=Shaq (Shaq 25points 12reb, Vlade 15 points 8 reb)
Webber vs Horry=Webber (Webber 24 points 10 reb, Horry 8 points 9 reb)
Peja vs Fox= Peja (Peja 22-25 points, Fox 8 points)
Christie vs Kobe=Kobe (Kobe 22 points, Christie 15)
Bibby vs Fisher=Bibby (Bibby 20, 7 assists, Fisher 12, 5 assists)
Sac Bench vs La bench= Sacramento
BTW Fayded I\'m beginging to like you more and more, I think it\'s because the sig :)
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I was basically using the players that matchup best. I think Peja matches up with Kobe better than Christie.
And stats can be decieving because in the Fisher v. Bibby case, L.A. likes to rotate the PG position alot. You see Brian Shaw and Lindsey Hunter get in alot there. Same thing with Horry... Samaki Walker, Devean George and him usually rotate frequently.
But if we want to play with statistics:
Lakers have allowed less points per game.
Lakers have more Field Goals per game.
Lakers have more offensive repounds per game.
Lakers have more 3 pointers made per game.
Kings have more turnovers.
Lakers have more blocks per game.
And the bench is tied my friend. Both benches are average 18PPG.
LAKERS:
Devean George - 7.8
Lindsey Hunter - 5.5
Brian Shaw- 2.5
Samaki Walker - 2.2
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KINGS:
Bobby Jackson - 14.5
Gerald Wallace - 2.0
Scott Pollard - 1.5
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you forgot Hedo coming of the bench due to Peja starting.
btw the numbers I put up were by no ways accurate, those are just my predictions.
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
Lakers have allowed less points per game.
Lakers have more Field Goals per game.
Lakers have more offensive repounds per game.
Lakers have more 3 pointers made per game.
Kings have more turnovers.
Lakers have more blocks per game.
And yet, none of that matters. Why? Because the Kings have more wins per game, the only stat that actually means anything.
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The Lakers don\'t have anyone who can guard Peja.
LOL
Ok, really, your serious about that statement, right? Please go back and review last year\'s semi-finals. Fox had the best defense on Peja, ever. He was like white on rice. I have ALL footage on tape, and I\'d be gladly to send it to you. No need to fire up a feud over this point, cause it\'s just that obvious.
Whomever said the NBA was fair and pretty. It\'s a far cry from that. Officiating this playoffs is horrid, probally the worst I\'ve seen in quite awhile. Of course they don\'t play the game, they have the final say in what just happened. The officating crew up in Sacramento is horrible, I must add.
Everyone hates Horry hu? :D Yeah, when someone is the clutch performer time and time again usually recieves the most heat. You can hate him all you want, but let this remain a bold statement. Robert Horry is a very smart player. Only he can deliver in those types in situations, aside from Kobe. His focus, timing, and form is all right there. I bet you if someone else took that shot, it wouldn\'t have been as nice as his. That play was definately not written up, the play was lucky, lucky as in how it all unfolded, but the shot wasn\'t. He keeps doing this throughout his entire career.
Quite honestly, the Kings are faster with their current seven man rotation. Peja is probally one of the slowest ones who runs the tiempo. He\'s just their sharp shooter. Their backcourt is phenominal with Bibby/Jackson/Cristie, because they run high tiempo games. Peja runs, but not as fluid as those three.
Also, I really dislike how you people mention Fisher flopping. Please, if you play the sport of basketball, you\'d know the role of a guard. They are susposed to take the charge, not just stay there. You\'ll learn that when you play. Vlade flops quite a lot, but why wouldn\'t he? He\'s defending the 350 pund diesel. But, he really is animated when he does so, sometimes making me think if he\'s really getting hit :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Because the Kings have more wins per game, the only stat that actually means anything.
Wrong, wrong, and oh yeah, wrong. The series is tied 2-2 and if we add in the total meetings between the two teams the series favors the Lakers.
So... wrong.
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O\'Neal vs. Divac = O\'neal. If the kings don\'t get the Championship ring, at least we all know that Divac will win an Oscar.
LOL, that was great Vapor! :laughing:
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The regular season means nothing in playoffs, unless your talking about teams being tied, then the season series matters.
Anyone with the right mind would know that and wouldn\'t use such a weak excuse like that one.
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Damn power, it went out right before i finished my reply, I\'ll see what i can remember....
Since when can Fisher play D? I never remembered him coming up with key defensive stops. Oh yeah, wasn\'t he the one that couldn\'t guard Bibby, forcing Kobe to try.
Fox might have been able to guard Peja LAST year. You do know that players improve over time right? Was Peja an all-star last year? No. Was he this year? Yes. Proves my point that players improve. Can Fox guard him this year? No.
If Kobe and Peja was a match up, Kobe would probably win. But not by much. Peja would still get his, as would Kobe. But Kobe would probably get more. But neither would dominate the other, so they pretty much cancel out.
So if Kobe was gonna guard Peja, Bibby would be free to roam.
I love how you say Divac should get an Oscar for flopping. You gotta watch both sides of the ball my friend. Horry flops all the time, and his are in open court, sometimes with a guy hardly moving. Divac is trying to guard a 300+ pound monster. Would you flop or let him score? While Horry sometimes flops without the ball and away from the play.
The Lakers bench can\'t come close to matching up with the Kings, no way no how. Jackson and Hedo off the bench, then maybe leave Bibby in there with Webber and Pollard/Divac. That presents all kinds of matchup problems.
Oh yeah, how is shock wrong by saying that wins are the only stat that really matters? The Kings should be up 3-1. And you can\'t deny it. The Kings are the better team, they dominate the Lakers. If they don\'t blow the lead in the 4th quarter they should have no problem beating L.A. *starts chanting "Beat L.A.!"*
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like my new favorite member, Fayded, said Peja is not the player he was last year. All of his stats are up this year, from last.
as for Peja not running the floor well. Being a huge Saramento fan, I haven\'t missed a game this year, and only missed around 5-10 plays. So I know Peja\'s game very well. He is an astounding fast break player, I can\'t count how many times he\'s caught the outlet for the dip. Also he has a great first step, watch some games when he breaks peoples ankles, see\'s the lane start to close and pull up for the J, it\'s very impressive for a 6\'9 player.
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Damn power, it went out right before i finished my reply, I\'ll see what i can remember....
Haha! Just kidding...
Since when can Fisher play D? I never remembered him coming up with key defensive stops. Oh yeah, wasn\'t he the one that couldn\'t guard Bibby, forcing Kobe to try.
Fisher is a TREMENDOUS defensive PG. Ask any NBA expert and they\'ll tell you that he has the fastest hands in the west. Yes, Bibby has been outplaying him, but lets not forget Fisher\'s alternate, one of the most underrated players in the league, Lindsey Hunter. Man have you guys seen this guy play defense? It\'s frightening how quick he moves his feet. And tonight Kobe matches up against Bibby so expect Bibby to not have a great performance. Keep in mind that Fisher played excellent defense against Tony Parker on several occasions and also did good against Bonzi Wells. Bibby is tough, but thats where Lindsey Hunter can come in as a replacement. Once again, remember in San Antonio where the 3 point king himself was shutdown (Steve Smith)? Who shut him down? Fisher.
Fox might have been able to guard Peja LAST year. You do know that players improve over time right? Was Peja an all-star last year? No. Was he this year? Yes. Proves my point that players improve. Can Fox guard him this year? No.
Fact of the matter is Fox CAN guard him this series, if Peja returns. Peja\'s speed will take a nosedive and Fox will be able to keep up, the injury doesn\'t disappear and your 100% the next morning, it will linger. No Fox couldn\'t guard Peja when he was healthy, but if we\'re looking at whats important, now, then I\'m confident Fox can stick with Peja.
If Kobe and Peja was a match up, Kobe would probably win. But not by much. Peja would still get his, as would Kobe. But Kobe would probably get more. But neither would dominate the other, so they pretty much cancel out.
At this point in time with Peja\'s injury Kobe would have a much larger advantage.
So if Kobe was gonna guard Peja, Bibby would be free to roam.
Fisher/Hunter
I love how you say Divac should get an Oscar for flopping. You gotta watch both sides of the ball my friend. Horry flops all the time, and his are in open court, sometimes with a guy hardly moving. Divac is trying to guard a 300+ pound monster. Would you flop or let him score? While Horry sometimes flops without the ball and away from the play.
No, no, no. Divac is the biggest drama queen in the NBA. It\'s all over the paper, ESPN, CNNSI, etc. I\'ve seen countless articles that dog him. Don\'t bring up Horry, all players flop, but flopping is Divac\'s game.
The Lakers bench can\'t come close to matching up with the Kings, no way no how. Jackson and Hedo off the bench, then maybe leave Bibby in there with Webber and Pollard/Divac. That presents all kinds of matchup problems.
Did those stats mean nothing to you? Lakers have more players stepping up. Kings have Bobby Jackson and thats it. HEDO DOESN\'T COUNT! HE\'S STARTING NOW FOLKS! HENCE, HE\'S A STARTER! PERHAPS IT WILL BE DIFFERENT WHEN PEJA COMES BACK, BUT FOR NOW, HEJA IS STARTING.
Oh yeah, how is shock wrong by saying that wins are the only stat that really matters? The Kings should be up 3-1.
What is "should be"? I\'m sorry but "should be\'s" don\'t let you advance in the playoffs. They shouldn\'t be anything. The series is tied 2-2. No shoulds about it. The win:win ratio is equal, thus, shock is wrong.
And you can\'t deny it. The Kings are the better team, they dominate the Lakers.
Oh my oh my. You do realize that the Lakers are favored? If they dominate the Lakers the series wouldn\'t be tied 2-2. Oh wait I forgot, it "should" be 3-1 :rolleyes:
If they don\'t blow the lead in the 4th quarter they should have no problem beating L.A. *starts chanting "Beat L.A.!"*
Well not shlt they\'ll have no problem beating L.A. if they have the lead after the fourth quarter, the game is over. :rolleyes:
Well I\'m not going to waste my breath to root against a team, I use my breath to root for my team.
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Without question the Kings have the better squad. Anyone that doubts that doesn\'t know basketball. How else could they always be up 10-20 points during the first 3 quarters. I hope the refs actually call the fouls on Shaq tonight, because if they actually called him for every foul, he\'d be fouled out in the first or second quarter.
As for Fisher being able to guard Bibby...please. Bibby took him so many times they stuck Kobe on him, who has a distinct height advantage and he still took Kobe to the hole a couple times. I can\'t wait until tonight\'s game. GO KINGS!
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Without question the Kings have the better squad. Anyone that doubts that doesn\'t know basketball.
Interesting, "doesn\'t know basketball" you say? How about 90% of ESPN writer\'s, sports writers, and even Sir "Charles" Barkley himself say that the Lakers have the better squad. Perhaps they don\'t know basketball. :rolleyes:
How else could they always be up 10-20 points during the first 3 quarters. I hope the refs actually call the fouls on Shaq tonight, because if they actually called him for every foul, he\'d be fouled out in the first or second quarter.
Yeah that is an interesting point. BUT HOW ABOUT BLOWING THOSE TWENTY POINTS IN THE FOURTH. That is a point I think you miss. Waah :(!!!! Shaq foul me! :( :( Waaaaaaah!! Basketball is a physical sport, I don\'t know about you but the basketball I like to watch involves little whistle blowing. But perhaps you like to watch Free Throw shooting contests.
I can\'t wait until tonight\'s game. GO KINGS! [/B]
Right. The loser will be face to face with elimination.
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okay I know this isn\'t la/sacrimento....but damn it finally living in massachusetts pays off go Celtics its about time.
Lakers....suck go KINGS!!
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Originally posted by Chumpay
okay I know this isn\'t la/sacrimento....but damn it finally living in massachusetts pays off go Celtics its about time.
Lakers....suck go KINGS!!
You know that the Celtics matchup better with the Lakers. Truly if you are a Celtics fan you should be rooting your nuts off for the Lakers. If the Kings meet the Celtics in the finals, Kings will sweep. Celtics just don\'t matchup with the Kings at all.
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Originally posted by unfocused
Without question the Kings have the better squad. Anyone that doubts that doesn\'t know basketball.
I don\'t think the Kings have the better squad. Do I not know basketball Scott?
Fayded, you are just proving your stupidity at this point. Actually look into the things you post a little more, because you\'re talking out of your ass. Yes, Fisher is a great defender.
I will deny that the Kings are the better team. If the Lakers win this in game 7, then it was a good run for the Kings. If the Kings win it in game 7, it is a disappointment for the Lakers. That says something. When the playoffs started, I said it was a little more than a 50% chance the Lakers would win the title. That says something. They are the best team in basketball until someone proves otherwise. The Kings haven\'t come close to proving otherwise yet. You act like the series is 3-1. It isn\'t, it\'s 2-2, and the Lakers are still favored to win it.
The Kings should not be up 3-1. They are right where they should be. They were the ones that blew game 4.
When I said the Kings have more wins per game, I meant over the year. They have the same number in the playoffs. I\'m just saying, don\'t take a collections of random stats like that and throw them out as proof, because none of them matter. All that matters is wins.
As for the Lakers having no one who can guard Peja, you\'re dead wrong, for a lot of the reasons already listed. The Lakers are a great defensive squad. There is no one on the Kings that can\'t be defended by the Lakers. The closest they have is Webber, not Peja.
As for Celtics fans routing for the Lakers, I wouldn\'t. I don\'t care about matchups, I just think that the Kings are more beatable. Especially in an NBA finals situation.
And remember, this is all coming from someone who really wants the Kings to win. Just because I want a team to win doesn\'t mean I have to be blind to obvious facts.
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I still believe that if I were a Celtic fan I would be rooting for L.A. They just matchup well, period. The Kings would cause them serious problems and I see no hope for the Celtics if they face the Kings. However we can\'t forget the Nets...but...
I feel like serrano once said (I believe it was him), "The teams in the east are playing for second place."
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yes the Lakers have a great Defensive team, but why did the Kings score 40 in the first quarter? The Lakers are good on D, but the Kings are incredible on the O, if the Kings can harness what they do in the first halfs of games, then the series is over.
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just a warning, since I have talked about how good the Kings are, they will loose tonight because GOD hates me, and likes to make me look bad. Don\'t believe me? Just watch the game.
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Well the Lakers aren\'t allowing the Kings to get the lead. Refs are whistle happy as usual. Let these guys play!!
EDIT: Holy crap. It\'s peja...
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YES....the horrible officiating has started early!!!!!!
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Oh well... As usual the Kings seem to have run out of gas and the Lakers come back from a 10 point deficit and are now up by 1 coming into the fourth.
Crunch time...
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I tip my hat to the Kings. Great game. Bibby truly gains my respect. So now the Lakers face elimination... shi-ite.
You gotta admit though that Kobe froze time with his last shot.
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That shot was off from the moment it left his hand, you could see it.
But Kobe was horrible down the stretch tonight. Mike Bibby...now there\'s a clutch player.
Go Kings
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
I tip my hat to the Kings. Great game. Bibby truly gains my respect. So now the Lakers face elimination... shi-ite.
You gotta admit though that Kobe froze time with his last shot.
yea..bibby scares me in a clutch moment like that was. Of course kobe\'s shot froze time..anyone of the lakers shooting at that moment would have. As true with any player shooting for a game winner!!
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is it just me, or is this a most beautiful day?
great game! Bibby is now tied with C-webb as my second favorite player in the league, damn he has stepped up his game.
Kobe owes me a new pair of box0rs, because when that shot went up, I dropped a load.
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Originally posted by theomen
is it just me, or is this a most beautiful day?
great game! Bibby is now tied with C-webb as my second favorite player in the league, damn he has stepped up his game.
for now, yes, which is why he is labeled as inconsistent.
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the only thing bad about this game is that my Kings have to visit staples, with the Lakers facing elimination. Two words "Wounded Animal"
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Originally posted by luckee
for now, yes, which is why he is labeled as inconsistent.
But hey, he sure as hell is better than Jason Williams.
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he may have been incosistent but that was because he wasn\'t a shoot first point gaurd. Now Adelman want\'s him to be more aggresive like how he was with Arizona, and it looks like the role of a scoring pg suits him well. I\'m really hoping that this isn\'t just a freak thing, and he can hit the shots from here on.
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Originally posted by theomen
the only thing bad about this game is that my Kings have to visit staples, with the Lakers facing elimination. Two words "Wounded Animal"
hoping it doesnt come to that. Then again, back to sac-town for #7
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I like how you brought that up Omen, "wounded animal" is a great way to put it. Lets not forget that Kobe, Shaq, Fisher and Fox have all been in this elimination situation before and came through during their run in the playoffs for their first championship against the Blazers.
However this is a different situation in that the Kings are a much better team than the 00\' Blazers.
I just got my fingers crossed pretty much all I can do.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
But hey, he sure as hell is better than Jason Williams.
Ill drink to that, but remember this too, while he didnt score as much as bibby, he sure did open up alot of points with those amazing passes. Id still keep bibby tho :D
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Uh oh, I have a feeling the Kings are gonna take this...
But, I\'m still rooting for the Lakers.
GO LAKERS!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
You know that the Celtics matchup better with the Lakers. Truly if you are a Celtics fan you should be rooting your nuts off for the Lakers. If the Kings meet the Celtics in the finals, Kings will sweep. Celtics just don\'t matchup with the Kings at all.
well Vapor lets break down the three matchups
One- Pierce takes lucky shot to win the game by one they never should of won that game
Two- Shaq was missing celts kill lakers
I forget what happened that appearence but it was the only fair way to look at the celtics vs lakers
and Im not a huge celtic fan im actually a pacer fan, but now there eleminated im rooting for celtics
and I hate lakers more then i like celtics
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Yes Tony you don\'t know basketball. It appears to me that the "Almighty Lakers" have their back against the wall. If you go through each team\'s lineup you will see that the Kings are better.
Vlade vs. Shaq- Shaq
Webber vs. Horry- Webber
Turkoglu/Peja vs. Fox- Peja/Turkoglu
Bryant vs. Christie- Bryant
Bibby vs. Fisher- Bibby
Bench
B Jackson vs. any Laker bench guard- Jackson
Pollard vs. Walker- Pollard
I admit that the Lakers are a great team, but they aren\'t as good as the Kings. All of the pressure is on the Lakers now, the Kings don\'t have to win Game 6. The Lakers do. If Bibby and Webber have big time clutch games on Friday then Sac Town earns a trip to the finals.
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Fayded should stick his foot in his mouth :rolleyes:
That\'s a discrace to even say Peja can take on Kobe. Really. Peja is what, 6,10\'? 3 inch advantage? He only has a shot and some average passing skills. Kobe has the best all around game in the NBA today right next to Tracy McGrady and Jason Kidd. Who made NBA All First Team this year? Kobe. Peja didn\'t.
Fox can still guard Peja, he did it last night, held him to 2 points. There were I think 3 situations where Peja could have scored, but he screwed up.
So the flopping issue is still being argued over. Shaq had 12 dunks. That\'s phenominal. Especially when he was posting up on Vlade, and he flopped before Shaq even made a move. So go eat your words, cause Vlade has to be the biggest animator since Sabonis Shaq\'s faced up on. Only plus I\'d give Vlade is his passive game. Shaq can pass too pretty good, but Vlade\'s are a little nicer.
Again, when your a guard, you take the charge. I wonder why everyone b*tches over this issue. It\'s the fundamentals of basketball as a guard! Plain a simple.
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Originally posted by luckee
Ill drink to that, but remember this too, while he didnt score as much as bibby, he sure did open up alot of points with those amazing passes. Id still keep bibby tho :D
The only problem: Often the other Sacramento players didn\'t know any better where the ball was going than the other team did.
And unfocused, I disagree with your breakdown of the situation, and hell, I disagree with breaking down the situation as you did at all. Shaq over Divac and Kobe over Christie are by far bigger mismatches than the ones the Kings have in their favor (and I\'d question that the Turkoglu Fox matchup is a mismatch...) Besides, the Lakers have the better coach, incase you forgot to put that inm and they have more experience in these situations. If the Kings win it, it\'s not because they have better players, but because they play better together. They seem to have the better team game and chemistry. The Lakers are the better team. Better teams have lost before. It\'s called upsets. For example, do you really believe that the Patriots had a better team than the Rams this year? No way. They just were in the right place at the right time to catch them off guard and squeek out a tight victory.
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Originally posted by Chumpay
and I hate lakers more then i like celtics
Why shouldn\'t you? The Lakers stomped a hole in the Pacers for the championship.
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I\'m not even gonna argue anymore, we\'re going around in circles. The Kings are gonna win by 2 in game 6. Oh yeah, Derek Fisher still can\'t guard Mike Bibby.
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I won\'t argue over that.
But..
Kobe > Bibby
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Kobe may be better than Bibby, but he is also 3 or 4 inches taller than him. Plus Kobe has a lot more playoff experience.
shock even you have to admit that before game 5 Fox was playing horribly. If Peja was 100%, which he is obviously not, he\'d take Fox for more than 2 points.
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He was playing horribly offensively or defensively? Yeah, Peja would take him for more than 2, but he wouldn\'t dominate as you seem to be saying.
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
Why shouldn\'t you? The Lakers stomped a hole in the Pacers for the championship.
and thats a reason to like the lakers more then the pacers....damn whats that called selling out?
Celtics played like **** last night god almighty vapor there\'s no point in arguing with you over lakers vs celtics truth be told... celtics will be lucky to get to the championship
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Originally posted by Chumpay
Celtics played like **** last night god almighty vapor there\'s no point in arguing with you over lakers vs celtics truth be told... celtics will be lucky to get to the championship
The Lakers will be lucky to get there too. Kinda goes hand in hand with being down 3-2.
Go Nets :)
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The Die Hard Knick fan turned Net fan...how sweet....god you are a poser shock.
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Originally posted by unfocused
The Die Hard Knick fan turned Net fan...how sweet....god you are a poser shock.
How so? Because I route for the closest team to me when my favorite team is out of it? I never had anything against the Nets, and I like them better than the other teams left. Am I just supposed to sit opinionless, and not route for anyone once my favorite team is out? I don\'t think so. I am still a Knicks fan, first a foremost. The Nets are simply the team I like best of the remaining teams.
If you think that makes me a poser, then I\'d have to disagree. Completely.
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I\'m a pretty big Knick fan, maybe cause I got season tickets behind the rim ;)
But, I stopped going to their games when they stopped believing in themselves. They crowd just wasn\'t in it anymore, and I got bored watching them get beat cause their confidence in themselves wasn\'t there.
If the Lakers manage to overcome a 3-2 defecit in the playoffs, it won\'t be by luck, rather expirence. They have plenty of it. If they shall loose, it\'s another learned lesson to them, just makes them more hungary next year for a title. Although, if the the Kings win it, I hope they know 2 things. One they played great all around basketball during the regular season. But if they manage to win a title, I hope they know they can\'t deny that they flopped their way there. Kinda like Tim Duncan, who can really just shove that MVP title right in his closet, cause Jason Kidd should have gotten it.
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Flopped there way in? Jesus, you act like that\'s the only way they can beat the Lakers. The Kings are alot better team than you give them credit for. Suck it up and realize that the Lakers aren\'t unbeatable.
Tim Duncan deserved the MVP award, as did Jason Kidd. I thought Kidd should have won but i wasn\'t suprised to here that Duncan got it. Look at his stats, he\'s been amazing this year. If the Spurs didn\'t have him they wouldn\'t have made the playoffs. Although i doubt the Nets would have made it this far without Kidd. Meh, both of them deserved to win.
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Originally posted by jm
If the Lakers manage to overcome a 3-2 defecit in the playoffs, it won\'t be by luck, rather expirence. They have plenty of it. If they shall loose, it\'s another learned lesson to them, just makes them more hungary next year for a title. Although, if the the Kings win it, I hope they know 2 things. One they played great all around basketball during the regular season. But if they manage to win a title, I hope they know they can\'t deny that they flopped their way there. Kinda like Tim Duncan, who can really just shove that MVP title right in his closet, cause Jason Kidd should have gotten it.
If the Kings do win it, they sure as hell deserved it. They can, and should deny that they "flopped" their way there. If they beat the Lakers, and then the Eastern champs, then there is no question they deserved it. Especially if they win tonight.
As for Duncan, I agree entirely. I can\'t believe they gave him the MVP over Kidd. Kidd sure as hell deserved it. He was the only major roster change the Nets made, and he took them from 26 wins to 52 wins. The man pretty much single handedly made his team 26 games better. If that isn\'t an MVP, I don\'t know what is.