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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: bigrob on May 27, 2002, 04:15:31 AM
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well....
what do you guys recon about that splinter cell on xbox. On TXB they say that it will own MGS2, but i seriously doubt it can featur the same depth and plot twist as MGS2
any teories ??
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:laughing:
on TeamXBox they say a lot of things :)
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On TXB they say that it will own MGS2
BWUAHAHAHAHA!
/me wipes tear from eye
TXB = news for the ignorant masses
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They only say that because MGS2 is only on PS2 right now... when the Xbox version comes later this year, they\'ll say how "great" MGS2 is.
TXB is filled with morons.
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Word to that. ;)
BTW: what\'s Splinter Cell about? Any screens/moves or info?
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I agree with everyone here.. TXB forums are about a notch above the intellegence level of IGN\'s forums in their Fanboy hayday.
On topic tho, I am pretty excited about SplinterCell. The game does look tight as all hell, and will focus more on what I find interesting about MGS. Realistically depicted Military technology and covert operations. That\'s one of the big things that really impressed me about MGS.. was that the designers really knew their shyt when tossing around military lingo and discussing problems such as nuclear proliferation. This game looks to expand on that atmosphere, so I\'m pretty psyched for it. I just hope the gameplay is on par and or is better than MGS2\'s.
Right now, I gotta say MGS2 ownz Splinter Cell.. but that\'s just cause I haven\'t played SC and can\'t really judge it for myself.
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Indeed Sonyfan. Splinter Cell does look phenomenal. The only problem I heard from E3 impressions is the dodgy framerate which the developers will at least be a constant 30FPS. The main reason for that is the strict lighting routines the game runs which are completely realistic and amazing. Here\'s a few screenshots to whet everyone\'s whistle.
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Ok, now I\'m officially interested in Splinter Cell.... looks very good and interesting.
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wtf is it with xbox and 30 fps
this is quite a bash (no, really)
30 fps on PS2 i can come to terms with
but for a brand new "state of the art console", pfffft
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[fanboy/] man look at those jaggies[fanboy]------j/k
the game looks pretty interesting i especially love the 3rd pic nightvision = awesome
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that it\'s extreemly beautiful. :D Graphics really don\'t mean all that much to me tho.. sure they\'re nice to gawk at.. but after about 2 weeks with the system it becomes old hat.
By the way: I wonder if it will have the level of interaction that MGS2 has? I.E... being able to shoot a ice bucket and watch the ice cubes fly around the room.. melt.. and then be able to shoot the melting ice cubes. Now THAT is attention to detail. Could be a real possiblity tho, considering from what I hear that the designers of Splinter Cell have MGS toys and posters plastered all around the office for motivation.
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From what I hear, everything around you affects just how hidden you are. For example, from the IGN impressions, even if you bump into a table, the table will shake making a certain amount of noise. Glass on the floor, creaky floorboards, whether you are in the light or out of it, whether you walk or run, all of these things play a part in just how detectable you are. No longer are guards limited by their line of site, but rather by just how much the player utilized their tools to stay undetectable. That\'s what makes this game so interesting.
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Originally posted by Ryu
From what I hear, everything around you affects just how hidden you are. For example, from the IGN impressions, even if you bump into a table, the table will shake making a certain amount of noise. Glass on the floor, creaky floorboards, whether you are in the light or out of it, whether you walk or run, all of these things play a part in just how detectable you are. No longer are guards limited by their line of site, but rather by just how much the player utilized their tools to stay undetectable. That\'s what makes this game so interesting.
Sounds good - just like MGS2. While it does look brilliant, I do hope it won\'t become a cheap MGS rip-off. By whom is it developed anyway?
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Sounds and looks very interesting. Another game to look forward to.
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Sounds good - just like MGS2.
Actually, the two compliment each other. In MGS(2), the guards are limited by their cone of vision, this game has nothing of that sort. If they see you, the game will become much more difficult. I\'m not sure how intelligent the AI routines are, but the game is based on never being seen, in and out without a trace, not a timer on the guards patrol. What\'s great about this game is that what you do, directly affects how hidden you are and that\'s what\'s so different. If you just stay out of a guard\'s site (even if you\'re 10 feet away from him) you can not be seen in MGS2 ever, but in Splinter Cell, if your shadow is seen, or you step on a piece of glass wrong, it\'s over for you. One is much more heavily story driven, while the other is much slower based solely on realism.
If you have ever played a Tom Clancy game, you\'d understand just how real the games strive to be.
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;) And I don\'t think we\'ll see any giant robots in
this game like MGS2 !
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Actually, the two compliment each other. In MGS(2), the guards are limited by their cone of vision, this game has nothing of that sort. If they see you, the game will become much more difficult. I\'m not sure how intelligent the AI routines are, but the game is based on never being seen, in and out without a trace, not a timer on the guards patrol. What\'s great about this game is that what you do, directly affects how hidden you are and that\'s what\'s so different. If you just stay out of a guard\'s site (even if you\'re 10 feet away from him) you can not be seen in MGS2 ever, but in Splinter Cell, if your shadow is seen, or you step on a piece of glass wrong, it\'s over for you. One is much more heavily story driven, while the other is much slower based solely on realism.
If you have ever played a Tom Clancy game, you\'d understand just how real the games strive to be.
Ryu, I\'m not sure on what difficulty you played MGS2 (or if you even have played it) - but I can assure you that you can not stand 10 feet infront of a guard without being seen or noticed. Well, unless you played it on the easiest difficulty that is. I\'m on my 3rd way through in MGS2 (now on European-Extreme) and will always be noticed by a guard if you show up infront of him. And the guards are not limited by their cone of vision either - knock on walls, walk over certain floors and guards will hear you and turn around or come and have a look. Come from outside (from the cold) inside into a building and you\'ll have snake sneezing and attracting guards to your presense. You\'ll also leave wet footprints which will also draw deadly attention to where you might be hiding. Same with blood aswell. Shadows? Yeah, that too you will find in MGS2. If you haven\'t experienced this, I suggest you play MGS2 again but on the highest difficulty available. You will find that 90% of what you listed so unique about SplinterCell is actually in MGS2 aswell.
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Ryu, I\'m not sure on what difficulty you played MGS2 (or if you even have played it) - but I can assure you that you can not stand 10 feet infront of a guard without being seen or noticed.
In the standard difficulty settings, you can and believe me, I know this because I have beaten the game on every difficulty, I reviewed it, and started the tips and tricks thread in the MGS2 board complete with strategies for the Extreme difficulty. :) The guards do not have peripheral vision as well. I\'ve toyed with the game so much that every defficiency that the guards have I have fully explited. I would say that there is no better person to tell you about the abilities of the guards then myself.
Yes, on extreme, the guards are incredibly tougher, but they are easy to take out. Let me put it another way, the guards line of site is severly limited by how far away you are, even in a hall way. If you get a gaurds attention in the hangar, particularly in the galley area of the tanker mission, he just says "Huh?" and takes out his binoculars, but that\'s not the only thing I am referring to. If you run around a guard without him directly seeing you, he will not notice you, even if your footfalls are fairly loud. Why does someone have to run on metal in order to be noticed? That\'s where splinter cell improves upon the formula.
Shadows? Yeah, that too you will find in MGS2.
Not shadows that guards notice though, that was my point.
You will find that 90% of what you listed so unique about SplinterCell is actually in MGS2 aswell.
You might, but not as detailed, that was my point to begin with. Here are IGN\'s brief impressions on the game as well as gamespot\'s, maybe they can better illustrate for you verbally what I am referring to.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2867956,00.html
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/360/360254p1.html
Enjoy. :)
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Ryu
Not shadows that guards notice though, that was my point.
Hm, they sure as heck seemed reeeeally interested in Snake\'s shadow in my copy. I learned to avoid that, though. They could\'ve played around with shadows and lighting so much more, one of the (many) aspects I was disapointed with in the game.
Once when I was hiding behind a corner, a guard saw Snake\'s fingers, and the radar display changed to show the guard\'s PoV of the situation. Annoying, but kewl, not sure why I wrote that :p
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Wow. Sounds neat, especially the lighting. Best I\'ve seen yet in a game.
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I hope it\'s more action than MG and I hope it\'s not so detailed and tactical that it becomes too onerous to play (ala Rainbow Six).
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Those screens look purdy. Unfortunately most X-box screens do and then the gameplay part never shows up.
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I love the Tom Clancy games so i will get this on PC
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I hope it\'s more action than MG and I hope it\'s not so detailed and tactical that it becomes too onerous to play (ala Rainbow Six).
from what Ryu has said, i would say that there is practically no action. at least not from getting in and out. maybe there are bosses etc. but it sounds like the entire game is like extreme MGS2 stealth. a bad thing, IMO :) its good in doses but not for the entire game.
MGS2 had some FANTASTIC action sequences that perfectly complimented the stealth.. and when you wanted to.. attacking the guards with Claymores, Nikita rockets and your machine guns was some of the best fun i had in the game. i hope this game has this too.
we shall see.. :)
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from what Ryu has said, i would say that there is practically no action. at least not from getting in and out. maybe there are bosses etc. but it sounds like the entire game is like extreme MGS2 stealth. a bad thing, IMO its good in doses but not for the entire game.
I\'m pretty sure about 70% of the game will be spent being placed in really tough situations where you can\'t ever be seen or heard. However, I also think that the other 30% will be forced\\natural action sequences. I\'m sure there will be times where you are dropped into a hot zone with guns blazing. Lets not forget, he is fully equipped to rock and roll at a moments notice. See that gun on his back in every screenshot? That thing spells certain doom for everyone.
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Splinter Cell looks awesome i can\'t wait til this game comes to xbox. I am not comparing it to no other game I just want to play it for what it is.
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Originally posted by Ryu
You might, but not as detailed, that was my point to begin with. Here are IGN\'s brief impressions on the game as well as gamespot\'s, maybe they can better illustrate for you verbally what I am referring to.
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/storie...2867956,00.html
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/360/360254p1.html
Enjoy.
Thanks for the links Ryu. I read through both of the interviews and I do think this game has a lot going for it - even if most things seem to be a vast improvement over MGS2 (interaction between objects and the player, shadows etc). The graphics do look gorgeous indeed and if this ever comes to PS2 I\'ll be sure to look into it. ;)
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Following up on my initial impressions on this game, I downloaded the E3 trailer which features over 3 minutes of gameplay footage. I can\'t really judge the gameplay very good from this video, so I\'ll just go on to the graphics part:
To be quite honest, I don\'t know if I\'m impressed with this game so far or not. On one hand, the lightning is quite superb, but on the other hand there are a lot of flaws in this game, such as week textures, very choppy framerate and some of the worst character models which don\'t even come close to the ones presented in MGS2. What the game does fine is the excellent lightning and shadowing of the characters, which is very nice indeed. If they manage to improve the game in at least framerate and perhaps texture detail then I\'ll definately give the PS2 version a try once it ships.
The gameplay does seem interesting, although not quite as good as the hype might let it seem. I\'m not sure how much that video reflects the game so far - so I still have my hopes high for this one. Cetainly a title to keep your eyes on and see how it progresses. ;)
Anyway, here\'s the video:
http://ftp://ftp.ubisoft.fr/video/e3/splintercell.zip
Enjoy! :)
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Didn\'t anyone download the above movie? I\'m pretty curious to find out if I\'m the only one who is underwhellmed by this game after viewing this movie.
67 MB is perhaps a bit a lot, but it\'s well worth it if you want to see some in-game footage... :)
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The only thing underwhelming were the character animations. I don\'t see the problems you see with the textures.
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Well, the textures just reminded me so much of TimeSplitters, eventhough the game is quite dark most of the time. I think you see this pretty well from the middle until the end of the movie..
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Wow, did I read that right? Seven NOT impressed with an xbox game? Surely all things are now possible.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Wow, did I read that right? Seven NOT impressed with an xbox game? Surely all things are now possible.
:rolleyes:
LOL, I could care less on which platform this game is. If you didn\'t notice, SplinterCell is coming to all platforms (even PS2), so I don\'t know what your trying to prove this time...? :rolleyes:
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Splinter cell is looking so sweet it looks like mgs2 may have some competion.:thepimp:
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It\'s a bit confusing though, seven. You are underwhelmed by the texture work on splinter cell for the xbox, but are willing to bet the ps2 textures would be better? That\'s a bit odd... dontcha think?
Splinter cell is looking so sweet it looks like mgs2 may have some competion.
Nice of you to restate the topic. You truly are a damn moron.
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Thats harsh, Ryu.
Read mm\'s topic about insulting each other.
;)
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For one you\'re looking at an xbox game/screen and two you\'re kidding yourself if you think the ps2 will look better. Of course, you\'ve been kidding yourself for months now.
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Thats harsh, Ryu.
Read mm\'s topic about insulting each other.
I did. I respect it, but this is rastalant, the new equivelant of Docwiz. A little bit of slack is allowed. ;)
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Surely the PS2 version will look much better than the Xbox version! I mean, look at those jaggies. The game will suck I think - nothing will beat MGS2.
Just kidding, so don\'t beat me
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It\'s a bit confusing though, seven. You are underwhelmed by the texture work on splinter cell for the xbox, but are willing to bet the ps2 textures would be better? That\'s a bit odd... dontcha think?
Ryu, when did I ever say or imply that I\'d bet that the textures would look better on PS2?
It is pretty obvious that the PS2 version will most likely be ported with no graphical enhancements, so I really have no reason to judge this game any different than any other PS2 game. My opinion hasn\'t changed - this game has the superb lighting, but lacks good animation, has ugly character models and bland textures that IMO rival those of TimeSplitters in the state presented in that movie now.
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Ryu, when did I ever say or imply that I\'d bet that the textures would look better on PS2?
It is pretty obvious that the PS2 version will most likely be ported with no graphical enhancements, so I really have no reason to judge this game any different than any other PS2 game. My opinion hasn\'t changed - this game has the superb lighting, but lacks good animation, has ugly character models and bland textures that IMO rival those of TimeSplitters in the state presented in that movie now.
You did say, if they improve the textures then you might pic it up when it comes to PS2, did you not?. If they improve the textures for the Xbox version, what makes you think it will look the same on the PS2. Not only the textures, but pretty much every other aspect that makes the game beautiful will be toned down for the PS2 version.
I just watched that video and have come to the concusion that I agree with Ryu. The character models do indeed leave much to be desired but I don\'t see the texture problem. If anygame had a texture problem it is MGS2. Anyway, these are problems that should not prevent you from playing the game.
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You did say, if they improve the textures then you might pic it up when it comes to PS2, did you not?. If they improve the textures for the Xbox version, what makes you think it will look the same on the PS2. Not only the textures, but pretty much every other aspect that makes the game beautiful will be toned down for the PS2 version.
I obviously won\'t buy a Xbox, so the PS2 would be my only option. And in the state the game is in that video, I doubt I\'ll be interested. And I didn\'t mean to imply that "only" the PS2 version could improve - but both versions. As I said, the PS2 will probably look the same at best.
I just watched that video and have come to the concusion that I agree with Ryu. The character models do indeed leave much to be desired but I don\'t see the texture problem. If anygame had a texture problem it is MGS2. Anyway, these are problems that should not prevent you from playing the game.
Then I guess we just have different opinions on the matter. ;) BTW; MGS2 doesn\'t have to deal with those texture issues because the developers used some kind of different graphics style which suits the surroundings and the environment you\'re in quite well. But as I said, just my opinion. We\'ll see how this game looks when it comes out.
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The title looks cool,
At First:
I was considering buying an xbox if a couple more interesting titles came out.
Then later:
I found out that it was also coming out on the GCN, and I still have no reason to buy a xbox
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How Seven can love and praise MGS and say he\'s not interested in this game at all should be baffling, but since we know Seven as well as we do, there is no reason to be baffled.
How he can defend the texturing in MGS while being critical of SC also falls into the above category.
This game one ups MGS in every category. Everyone\'s hands on impressions of this game have been glowing. But Seven\'s not interested.
We shouldn\'t be surprised. It\'s NOT POSSIBLE that the xbox can have a single good hardware option or game, it\'s just not possible. By admiting that SC is great he would also be admitting that the xbox has a superior version of a great game, before his beloved PS2. This is destroy his little world and be the end of everything he holds dear in life.
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puh.. go read a book Watchdog
;):p
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You have rasta, I have Seven.
Leave me alone. ;)
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You have rasta, I have Seven.
Leave me alone.
Touché
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Any game that the developers label a killer of another game, I usually know what to expect, a cheap imitation
like comparing my penis to everyone elses. i tell all the women i know (LOL! LIKE I KNOW ANY WOMEN!!) that its a real killer.. bit it turns out to be a cheap immitation.. :(
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You mean kinda like Cloud as opposed to... Clowd, right?
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Devs haven\'t labelled it anything--its journalists and fanboys.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
How Seven can love and praise MGS and say he\'s not interested in this game at all should be baffling, but since we know Seven as well as we do, there is no reason to be baffled.
How he can defend the texturing in MGS while being critical of SC also falls into the above category.
This game one ups MGS in every category. Everyone\'s hands on impressions of this game have been glowing. But Seven\'s not interested.
Hey Dawg, one simple question: did you even bother to download the movie above? ;)
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After watching that vid I must say the textures really isn’t anything to blow your load over..
The only thing that impressed me was the lightning (just as SH2 blew me away.. Very impressive lightning).
If they don’t overdo it, it can turn out pretty good..
The models (like you said) SUCKS.. The character you play as looks pretty detailed but the others look like they were grabbed from Rainbow Six (the first one).. Ugh :(
Now let see how the gameplay turns out..
Ive heard the game right now is pretty buggy (crashed alot at E3) and major framedrops.. If they sort those things out it can be good :)
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How Seven can love and praise MGS and say he\'s not interested in this game at all should be baffling, but since we know Seven as well as we do, there is no reason to be baffled.
Seven, you yourself said this game is a lot like MGS2 and you gush all over that game. This game should be great for you then, but you still face it with a grain of salt stating that MGS2 does not have poor texture work and Splinter Cell does... I don\'t understand when Splinter Cell clearly has a greater atmosphere thanks to the textures. Two words for lazy texture work: Big Shell. Need I say more? That\'s right though, MGS2 is allowed to have poor textures for some reason and Splinter Cell is not.
I just don\'t get the logic here. You know, it\'s okay to want to anticipate a game that will be fun on the XBox, there really is no crime in it. This one appears to be great fun, why not just admit to that? It\'s not like your life will end if you do.
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Yeah I saw the movie. To tell you the truth I\'m not really excited about this game--nor am I excited about any upcoming MGS games. They are fine and all, but a little too scripted. I fear SC will be the same.
My only point is that MG has nothing on SC (incluing hair cut--yikes at Snake) from all appearances and impressions. And someone who loves MGS as much as you do, has no reason not to anticipate this game as well.
If this was called MGS3 Snake Returns, a PS2 exclusive, EVERYONE here would be lapping it up, posting screen shots, marvelling at the improved graphics and lighting and talking about all the new moves and abilities that have been included.
It\'s always like that around here, and it\'s getting pretty tiresome.
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Originally posted by Ryu
You mean kinda like Cloud as opposed to... Clowd, right?
Even though thats an insult, its still funny.
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Ryu, you really disappoint me. Why is it suddenly, that when I have an opinion about something, that it\'s continuessly misunderstood as a bash towards Xbox? I really don\'t know what more to say, but that I judged this game as a PS2 game since it\'s multi platform - therefore giving me no reason to downrate this game because it\'s on Xbox. Hell, Fast above just voiced his opion about the underwhelming textures... are you going to take that as his opinion or also as a bash towards Xbox?
Seven, you yourself said this game is a lot like MGS2 and you gush all over that game. This game should be great for you then, but you still face it with a grain of salt stating that MGS2 does not have poor texture work and Splinter Cell does...
We were talking about gameplay when I was refering to MGS2 - not graphics. If you read my impressions on the video I gave, then I\'m sure you didn\'t miss out on me saying that I will leave out the gameplay aspects and only comment on the graphics (which I did).
I don\'t understand when Splinter Cell clearly has a greater atmosphere thanks to the textures. Two words for lazy texture work: Big Shell. Need I say more? That\'s right though, MGS2 is allowed to have poor textures for some reason and Splinter Cell is not.
I\'ve played MGS2 at a very frequentrate and never did I have the impression that the textures are weak. Also something that should be pretty obvious, is that Konami has a huge tallent into making MGS2 look realistic. MGS2 might not have the best textures, but it\'s still one of the most realistic games visually. Maybe talent?
What I can say though is, is that those textures presented in that movie above did struck me as quite ugly/cheap. Maybe talent?
I just don\'t get the logic here. You know, it\'s okay to want to anticipate a game that will be fun on the XBox, there really is no crime in it. This one appears to be great fun, why not just admit to that? It\'s not like your life will end if you do.
LOL and again, I never said it won\'t be fun, but only commented on the graphics. I hope you guys did get it this time, because I certainly won\'t point it out another time.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Yeah I saw the movie. To tell you the truth I\'m not really excited about this game--nor am I excited about any upcoming MGS games. They are fine and all, but a little too scripted. I fear SC will be the same.
My only point is that MG has nothing on SC (incluing hair cut--yikes at Snake) from all appearances and impressions. And someone who loves MGS as much as you do, has no reason not to anticipate this game as well.
If this was called MGS3 Snake Returns, a PS2 exclusive, EVERYONE here would be lapping it up, posting screen shots, marvelling at the improved graphics and lighting and talking about all the new moves and abilities that have been included.
You see, I already voiced my opinion on the gameplay and agree that it has heaps of potential. The only thing that really bothers me right now are the graphics (see above for my impressions).
And if this was MGS3 - you bet I\'d be disappointed with the graphics.
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Uh-huh.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Uh-huh.
:rolleyes:
Watchy.. Sweety.. Its HIS opinion. Everyone has one!
Opinion is not a fact.. Respect his!
It\'s always like that around here, and it\'s getting pretty tiresome.
Yes.. This is such a terrible place.. No one is forcing you to stay.
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Originally posted by seven
And if this was MGS3 - you bet I\'d be disappointed with the graphics.
If it were MGS3 you would end every post with "but there is plenty of room for improvement and I\'m sure they\'ll be fixed" as you are doing with the Getaway and it\'s disappointing previews so far...
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Watchy.. Sweety.. Its HIS opinion. Everyone has one!
Opinion is not a fact.. Respect his!
You forgot that we\'re talking about seven\'s opinion (fact)...bet you didn\'t know that;)
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Ginko, about the GetAway. I\'ve seen a lot of in-game footage of the game where none of the graphical issues (apparent framedrops) can be seen. Seing that the video is in-game footage aswell, does give me all the reason to believe that the playable demo at E3 was just an early demo-build with some bugs. Also, the Getaway is quite an important game with a lot of backing my Sony as they know how important this game is. I do believe that they\'ll give their best to resort those "issues" that were seen at E3.
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Originally posted by seven
Ginko, about the GetAway. I\'ve seen a lot of in-game footage of the game where none of the graphical issues (apparent framedrops) can be seen. Seing that the video is in-game footage aswell, does give me all the reason to believe that the playable demo at E3 was just an early demo-build with some bugs. Also, the Getaway is quite an important game with a lot of backing my Sony as they know how important this game is. I do believe that they\'ll give their best to resort those "issues" that were seen at E3.
But you don\'t feel the same way about Splinter Cell?
I just feel you have a huge bias against this game based on that it\'s coming to Xbox...I\'m trying to look past it because I figure you are better than that, I\'m having difficulty though.
Everytime someone would criticize the Getaway you were quick to the point of saying you feel they will be remedied and not to worry...I didn\'t know Getaway was being done by Sony, but this further proves my rant.
However, this game you praised the concept but were quick to dismiss the game based on graphics. This is also an early build...
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But you don\'t feel the same way about Splinter Cell?
SplinterCell has yet got to prove itself. No one can say at this point if the game will deliever or not. Obviously, my anticipation for this game hasn\'t been as high as a MGS game and after that movie, it just shrunk due to the graphics.
I just feel you have a huge bias against this game based on that it\'s coming to Xbox...I\'m trying to look past it because I figure you are better than that, I\'m having difficulty though.
Everytime someone would criticize the Getaway you were quick to the point of saying you feel they will be remedied and not to worry...I didn\'t know Getaway was being done by Sony, but this further proves my rant.
However, this game you praised the concept but were quick to dismiss the game based on graphics. This is also an early build...
You missed my point. Obviously there is hope for the Getaway if the videos don\'t have those issues that the demo obviously had. And I did say I\'m only commenting on the graphics of Splinter Cell as it stands in that video.
I just don\'t get why I need to show so much anticipation and optimism for this game?
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Yadda yadda yadda
*slaps ya\'ll around a bit with a frozen trout*
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Can we all say "MGS2 ripoff"? It seems that all Microsoft can do is get titles ported to its system, copies of popular games, and original content that\'s just PC games basically.
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Originally posted by Animal Mother
Can we all say "MGS2 ripoff"? It seems that all Microsoft can do is get titles ported to its system, copies of popular games, and original content that\'s just PC games basically.
I would be careful calling it a mgs2 ripoff, hardware and ryu are very edgy about talking the truth about games they like...
Why I say most x box games look like pc ports, that is why
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Then why do you give Getaway so much praise? Sony has tanked franchises before...remember Captain Blasto?
You missed my point. Obviously there is hope for the Getaway if the videos don\'t have those issues that the demo obviously had. And I did say I\'m only commenting on the graphics of Splinter Cell as it stands in that video.
That doesn\'t prove it will be without problems...
Obviously, my anticipation for this game hasn\'t been as high as a MGS game and after that movie, it just shrunk due to the graphics.
How could your anticipation for a game shrink due to graphical shortcomings of an early build?
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The Getaway has proven itself? Seriously, you are transparent, You\'re a Sony fanboy. There\'s really nothing ese to say. Now your opinion of SC has shrunk because of the graphics, graphics mind you that are better than MGS\'s? Nice point.
How can you have optimism for the Getaway? You don\'t think they would have taken the most flattering videos to show? You aparently missed the boxy cars and flat buildings, and the draw distence of that video. But they have time to fix it because Sony is the God of video games. SC isn\'t going to get better, probably worse actually. All hail Seven and his infinite wisdom.
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Watchy.. Sweety.. Its HIS opinion. Everyone has one!
Opinion is not a fact.. Respect his!
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Fatson you\'re as bad as Seven is. I don\'t respect opinions that are born of bias. You and your "let\'s laugh at xbox sales" post is a wonderful attempt to show how inciteful and openminded you are. The wonders that come from fanboys\' mouths never ceases to amaze me. And don\'t call me sweety jackass.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Fatson you\'re as bad as Seven is. I don\'t respect opinions that are born of bias. You and your "let\'s laugh at xbox sales" post is a wonderful attempt to show how inciteful and openminded you are. The wonders that come from fanboys\' mouths never ceases to amaze me. And don\'t call me sweety jackass.
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Incase you cant read.. My nickname is Fa[SIZE=10]S[/SIZE]tson.. Maybe you cant read very well?
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Or maybe I could care lass fatson.
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me- "seven, would you like this 100 dollar bill, or a piece of candy"
seven- "the candy!!"
me-"but with the 100 dollar bill, you could buy LOTS of candy"
seven-"I want the candy, the candy!"
me- "Wait, don\'t you understand, you take the 100 dollar bill, you could buy hundreds of pieces of candy."
seven- "Gimme the candy now!!"
me-"alright, suit yourself."
seven-"hmm, that candy was sure good."
me-"time for some hookers!"
errrmm, forget about that last part, but you get the analogy, right?
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atty. seven and atty. fastson is on the case for SONY!
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Or maybe I could care lass fatson.
Okidoki sweety..
:rolleyes:
AlteredBeast: Put your Xbox back in your mouth and STFU.
Btw, when are you going to post those "better" pics of F-355? ;)
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whoa, dude! I didn\'t think you were gonna take it to tha XTREME yo! I best put my XBox in my mouth and chill, dog!!
fatson, I nominate you for greatest comeback-generator EVER.
Eric Jacob
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what F355 pics?
Eric Jacob
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Ryu, you really disappoint me.
Why? Because for once, I am siding with Ginko and Watchdog? I never did go over your anti Xbox posts before because I never really had anything to add, especailly in regards to games I wasn\'t particularly excited about. However, Splinter Cell is something I am excited about and I have read everything in this thread and the negative statements you make towards XBox games is quite apparent. You can be dissapointed in me all you want, but I still call it like I see it.
I really don\'t know what more to say, but that I judged this game as a PS2 game since it\'s multi platform - therefore giving me no reason to downrate this game because it\'s on Xbox.
You judged this game based on the XBox footage you saw, but earlier said you\'d be willing to play the PS2 version, a version which will not match the XBox versionand that has been factual for every game that has been multiconsole with the exception of control, which is a more opinionative matter than anything else. Sure, you said it sounded intriguing, but all of that went downhill as soon as you saw the XBox video and started stating that the MGS2 textures were "fitting" and that these were "terrible." How can one be terrible and the other be fitting? ... oh wait, this will explain why:
I obviously won\'t buy a Xbox, so the PS2 would be my only option.
Yah, I guess with a statement like that, I can see why you don\'t really treat XBox with any great praise. I\'m actually surprised you even said the lighting was great, but since it\'s on PS2 also, I guess that comment was warranted.
Hell, Fast above just voiced his opion about the underwhelming textures... are you going to take that as his opinion or also as a bash towards Xbox?
In that case, when was the last time Fastson had anything good to say about the XBox? And if you want to name names about who agrees with who, Ginko, Watchdog, and Tetrad see what I am saying... so what\'s your point?
I would be careful calling it a mgs2 ripoff, hardware and ryu are very edgy about talking the truth about games they like...
"Hardware" and I just don\'t like you. It\'s nothing personal against your comparison, it\'s just you in general.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
faStson, I nominate you for greatest comeback-generator EVER.
Eric Jacob
Thank you.. Finally I get some recognition.. ;)
I fixed yer spelling mistake.. Ha.. English my second language.. Who would think I would be correcting a yank?
what F355 pics?
*cough* Gaming-Age?
Last I remember I floored you with me GT3 pix? ;) :shy:
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I miss when this site wasn\'t biased like the rest of them.
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When was that? I must have missed that memo.
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Originally posted by Ryu
When was that? I must have missed that memo.
Wow, me too.
Splinter Cell looks great, IMO.
It looks like it will be a very good game, and it\'s for every system... So, why is everybody still arguing?
Seriously, who gives a damn if system A is better than system B? You are arguing about childrens toys w/ DVD players! Just be happy with what you have and STFU!
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Seriously, who gives a damn if system A is better than system B? You are arguing about childrens toys w/ DVD players! Just be happy with what you have and STFU!
Sorry, but the Gamecube is not a childrens toy and not a DVD player.. its a good videogame playing device
:D :laughing:
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Originally posted by Chrono
Sorry, but the Gamecube is not a childrens toy and not a DVD player.. its a good videogame playing device
:D :laughing:
Oh yea, Gamecube, forgot about that.
We all have our excuses when our girl asks us why we play with these "video game playing device."
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You judged this game based on the XBox footage you saw, but earlier said you\'d be willing to play the PS2 version, a version which will not match the XBox versionand that has been factual for every game that has been multiconsole with the exception of control, which is a more opinionative matter than anything else. Sure, you said it sounded intriguing, but all of that went downhill as soon as you saw the XBox video and started stating that the MGS2 textures were "fitting" and that these were "terrible." How can one be terrible and the other be fitting? ... oh wait, this will explain why:
Ryu, your reading skills are pitful. I said, I\'ll give the PS2 version a try, >>IF<< it improves on the issues I pointed out as bad in the movie. Get your facts straight. And textures are pitful I\'m sorry. To you they might be better than those in MGS2, but leaving out any sort of comparasment, textures in this game are far from good.
Yah, I guess with a statement like that, I can see why you don\'t really treat XBox with any great praise. I\'m actually surprised you even said the lighting was great, but since it\'s on PS2 also, I guess that comment was warranted.
Great job twisting around my words Ryu. I\'ll just leave it at that or else we\'ll have this thread turned into a "why won\'t seven buy an Xbox" debate. :rolleyes:
but...
whatever Ryu. :rolleyes: Your reputation in writting impressions for games has seriously gone to your head. I do find it very amusing to how threatened you obviously feel when someone doesn\'t quite share the same opinion on a game you like and anticipate. Well, sad thing is, there will always be people whos opinion will differ from yours. Forcing your opinion onto anyone who doesn\'t quite agree with you is quite pathetic and won\'t get you anywhere in life. You over all others should know that opinion != fact. My opinion stands - GET OVER IT.
And this was indeed my last contribution to this thread.
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And once again, Seven is right, no matter how illogical (or plain wrong) he is, regardless of proof, legitimacy or expertise, Seven is right.
Seven knows everything; he\'s never wrong, and if you don\'t believe me, just ask him, he\'ll tell you himself.
This is why your reputation around here is above Chrono\'s by only the slimmest of margins. This is why you are a complete joke. You could have this opinion, if in the past you have shown some objectivity or openmindedness, but you never have, and that\'s why no one takes you seriously or gives any weight to anything you say.
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Your reputation in writting impressions for games has seriously gone to your head.
I wrote impressions for Socom because I got so lucky to give it a whirl, but the last time I wrote a true review was with the RE remake for the cube, a review LOTS of people disagreed with and I didn\'t put up any fight there, it was just my opinion and I treat it as such. Before then, I wrote a review for Halo, the last big review I ever wrote. Now you are saying, after 6 months of not really contributing anything at all to the gaming scene except for what I post on internet message boards, what I wrote has gone to my head? Are you kidding me? *sigh* And you said I was being defensive. tee-hee.
I do find it very amusing to how threatened you obviously feel when someone doesn\'t quite share the same opinion on a game you like and anticipate.
? Threatened? Umm... It\'s just a game. Your opinion on it is just that, but you are ripping on it for all the wrong reasons and your slant on the game has an obviously biased tone, yet you deny that fact time and time again. Like Watchdog said though, if this was MGS3 and it was on the PS2, you\'d be rolling around lapping it up. If it had the same textures displayed here, instead of saying they were bland, I\'m sure you\'d be saying there was plenty of room to improve and that the demo was prolly an early build, just like you said above for the Getaway. Those same rules don\'t apply to Splinter Cell though so excuse me for asking why. I just figured it was a simple question.
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God damnit Ryu I said that. Give me some damn credit once in a while for #*@$\'s sake!
:D
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IT HAS BEEN DONE! :)
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Sheesh, what does a guy have to do around here...
:)
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dont worry Watchdog.. i get it too..
last night i told him i was about to close a thread... he asks which one.. next thing i know HE jumps in and closes it..
*punches Ryu in the face*
*repeatedly*
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Yes, something needs to be done...perhaps it\'s time for an insurrection.
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Yes... something needs to be done. ;) Besides, this topic has run its course anyhow.