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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: luckee on June 05, 2002, 08:51:29 PM
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discuss.
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Definetly. Weed is not that bad really. But in most cases you are getting it from a dealer who is proabably dealing other drugs. He can talk you into that "other ****"
Also once you start smoking weed you beging to wonder about the other drugs and you say to yourself..."well i have already tried weed and i love it, so why not try other drugs?".
And thus the spiral begins.
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Personally, I think weed is just as bad as all other drugs. They do the same thing, and weed has been proven to make you impotent and destroys brain cells.
Just because its \'natural\' doesn\'t mean its good.
And yes, once your hooked on weed, you wanna try harder stuff, hence the reason why most addicts start off with pot.
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ROFL..I love the BS you guys have been fed. A dealer will talk you into harder stuff???? Are you that weak willed?
With all of the current info out on the harder stuff, I dont see how one would be curious enough. Even though it happens, i dont know how.
Racer, sorry to burst yer bubble, but there is nothing in weed that is chemicaly addictive, so it would only be a mental addiction, which is just plain sad.
*EDIT* also, for every study that shows weed to kill brain cells, I will show you one that proves otherwise. Those studies are way to vague and discriminant to prove conclusive.
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I\'ve been offered weed so many times by friends.... I always give the same blunt (no pun intended) :laughing: answer: "What the hell for?"
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weed IS bad for you, luckee
if it was healthy for you, we\'de all be doing it
i dont know if i would call it a gateway drug, but its usually the 1st drug people take. the next step is shrooms (which is also thought to be harmless), or some other mild stimulant
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LIFE is a "gateway drug.
No really.
Virtually all creatures have a desire to get high. To lose control and slip away for a while.
Ant\'s will capture and hold hostage beetles so they can feed off of the secretions which just happen to get the ants off.
Hippos on the plains of Africa will ram trees to make the fruit fall... But they won\'t eat the fruit until it rots (and ferments), then they eat it all up... to get the buzz!!:)
True, even us humans have a natural desire to get buzzed.
As for a gateway drug. The truth is whichever drug you do first, be it alcohol, pot, acid, whatever, will be YOUR personal gateway drug. The trick is knowing your limits and sticking to what you feel is proper.
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Originally posted by mm
weed IS bad for you, luckee
if it was healthy for you, we\'de all be doing it
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That has nothing to do with anything right now. Please stay on subject.
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I must be in the minorty. I have smoked my fair share of weed in my day and never had the desire to step up to anything harder.
It\'s all to scary.
Ace
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Personally, I think weed is just as bad as all other drugs. They do the same thing, and weed has been proven to make you impotent and destroys brain cells.
Just because its \'natural\' doesn\'t mean its good.
And yes, once your hooked on weed, you wanna try harder stuff, hence the reason why most addicts start off with pot.
"Hooked" on weed, huh....
I haven\'t heard that one since an ABC afterschool special in 1986...
better than being hooked on naked boys. ;)
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There\'s no addiction, but after a while you get bored with it. Every time you do it, it gets less fun. The trips are shorter or don\'t have the same effect...so you must find another drug to take you on that high...
I\'ve done it about 5 times and always asked, what\'s the big deal? I think I may be immune to it though...
Don\'t smoke yourself stupid!!! There was a kid in my school, advanced calculus, A.P. English...in the top five at school, on his way to college...his senior year he fell into a crowd and smoked himself into oblivion. He can\'t remember any of his friends names, can\'t hold a conversation for ****, and works for his dad...never went to college.
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Originally posted by Ginko
There\'s no addiction, but after a while you get bored with it. Every time you do it, it gets less fun. The trips are shorter or don\'t have the same effect...so you must find another drug to take you on that high...
I\'ve done it about 5 times and always asked, what\'s the big deal? I think I may be immune to it though...
Don\'t smoke yourself stupid!!! There was a kid in my school, advanced calculus, A.P. English...in the top five at school, on his way to college...his senior year he fell into a crowd and smoked himself into oblivion. He can\'t remember any of his friends names, can\'t hold a conversation for ****, and works for his dad...never went to college.
Please don\'t tell me smoking caused all of that. No way.. Smoke didnt make him fall to a below average human, he made himself fall that far.
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Originally posted by luckee
Please don\'t tell me smoking caused all of that. No way.. Smoke didnt make him fall to a below average human, he made himself fall that far.
Much like alcohol, it kills brain cells. Being that he got "hooked" on it, he did it every morning, during lunch, and after school. He said it calmed his nerves...
he made himself fall that far
Yes, by smoking weed...
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I don\'t smoke anything at all, but I can\'t say I\'m against weed... hell, if I could get it very easily I\'d prolly try/use it myself. ;)
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Let\'s put aside the things that teachers, pastors, and public service announcements tell us, and look at this from a realistic point of view.
First of all, weed is a very casual drug. Most people know a friend of a friend, or their "dealer" is a buddy who keeps a few ounces laying around. It\'s not a trenchcoat and sunglasses, lay out in the street and beg for money, sell your mama\'s tv kind of drug.
I think weed and alcohol are very similar, aside from how they\'re taken into the body. One beer equals about one hit...semi-euphoria for several hours, then the sun rises. We all know people who go back to the bar the next day, or don\'t go out for another month, or three. Addictive personalities DO exist. There are alcoholics everywhere, and there are people who abuse weed. It\'s all about your self-control. If you\'re one of those people who go into a casino and end up selling your plane ticket, you probably shouldn\'t be drinking, smoking cigs, or smoking weed either.
Some people CANNOT live without alcohol, and some people CANNOT live without weed. Those people obviously have a problem, and are on they way to something worse. The majority can live without either, but like to get a buzz now and then. Speaking from personal experience, I\'ve never had the desire to try anything harder than liquor or weed.
There\'s no doubt we\'d all be in better health if no one put any foreign substances into their body. A glass of wine a day, blah blah blah. Exercise regularly, and eat right and you wouldn\'t need the wine. But in reality, people do like to feel real good now and then, and will continue to do so without becoming a junkie.
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I agree...
substance dependant = lame
I have an alcoholic friend, she is so messed up. She has gained weight, drinks a 12 pk a night by herself, and can\'t hold down a job because she says the hours conflict with her social life (drinking)...she\'s 19 btw. She use to smoke weed, she got bored with it and moved on to cocain (sp?) and speed. Me and my other friend eventually talked her out of the drugs...
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If you can control it ,smoking weed is not really dangerous (I prefer cookies btw).
Over here most doctors think cannabis is more helpfull than dangerous, but owning more than a few Gramms and dealing is still forbidden. It`s allowed to have a small quantity for personal use (the quantity differs from state to state 3 - 30 gramms).
I smoke for over 15 years now occasionally, and I can say I´m a quite healthy person (physichally).
My mind is another story...the outbreaks, the rage , the need to kill... ;)
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well i stopped smoking and now i just drink all the time and im not sure if thats good or bad
but weed did turn LUKE into the person he is today so based on that weed can make you ugly and gay
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When I was younger, I would wake up and do a hit off the ol\' bong... seemed to set my day off nicely. Then it was a hit every hour or so after that. Now if I hit the bong, I\'m retarded for a day and a half. I just like a nice mellow doobie every once in a while. I find it helps me to slow down and appreciate my life a little more, you know- see the beauty in my surroundings that I would normally never notice cos\' I\'m worring about bills, work, etc...
Oh yeah, I like beer too.
and huffing paint.
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I hate the smell of weed
however its not a true drug, thats why its legal here :D
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I LOVE THE NETHERLANDS
also, ive smoked weed for a long time now. and ive tried coke, acid and all sorts of other drugs, and i only TRIED them. i didnt like em, so i didnt do em again. but i still smoke weed.
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*Passes the doobie to Luke...
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O its true. But it affected me the same way as Luke. I tried them but BAH! Not as good!
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
*Passes the doobie to Luke...
*Takes doob from Chizz then high fives him...
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Originally posted by LUKE
*Takes doob from Chizz then high fives him...
*Chizzy finishes his beer, then leers suggestively at LUKE\'s girlfriend...
hey LUKE ol\' bean, have you ever heard of "chinese fingercuffs"?
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Originally posted by ViVi
O its true. But it affected me the same way as Luke. I tried them but BAH! Not as good!
you mean weed made you gay and ugly too?
p.s. i only say these things because i am, in fact, terribly jelous of luke because he is smart and handsome and popular and has a hot girlfriend and he is a great great man.
p.p.s luke is a big dork and likes to edit peoples posts to say things that are completly untrue
p.p.p.s. i am fat
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For most, no. For the weak, yes.
Weed is not addictive. If you want to be mentally addicted, go ahead. It\'ll take a while.
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aaaa luke you no my friend no more
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
*Chizzy finishes his beer, then leers suggestively at LUKE\'s girlfriend...
hey LUKE ol\' bean, have you ever heard of "chinese fingercuffs"?
YOU STAY AWAY FROM ME!
AND PUT THAT THING BACK IN YOUR PANTS!
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WEED is from the earth. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you don\'t do it in public.
Weed keeps your head straight.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
WEED is from the earth. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you don\'t do it in public.
Weed keeps your head straight.
its people like you that make weed smokers look like morons
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Hey, sorry for not being here sooner. I got high and forgot.
Weed is not that bad really. But in most cases you are getting it from a dealer who is proabably dealing other drugs. He can talk you into that "other ****" -Kimahri
True. Luckee, you\'d be surprised how many "weak willed" people are out there... expecially around friends and if they\'re buzzed already. There\'s also the problem with lacing. Back in the 20\'s, I think, Coca-Cola and Kellogs used to put small amounts of cocaine into their products to get people hooked on em. It\'s essencially the same thing with dealers. Marijuana isn\'t exactly a "high profit" drug either ya know. I\'ve never cared to associate with anyone who does this, but alot of times dealers will lace their marijuana with other drugs and not tell the buyer until they\'re already addicted... or at least more apt to try the pure stuff without freaking out over the fact that they\'ve just stepped up to the harder stuff.
Also once you start smoking weed you beging to wonder about the other drugs and you say to yourself..."well i have already tried weed and i love it, so why not try other drugs?". - Kimahri
Well, in a way you\'re right. I think it has a bit more to do with natural curiosity combined with what the user feels is disinformation. You hear all this bad, evil, shyt about marijuana from your HS guidance councelers.. but after trying it you find out that really it\'s mostly just scare tactics and BS. That tends to make people wonder what other drugs there are misconceptions and lies about... even those drugs which ARE genuinely very dangerous and highly addictive.
They do the same thing, and weed has been proven to make you impotent and destroys brain cells. - Racer
Not in any credible study.. at least.. no more credible than the Warren comission. :rolleyes: Like Luckee said, you post one, and we\'ll post one with conflicting results. Chances are, we can find 2 to 3 against your one.
Racer, sorry to burst yer bubble, but there is nothing in weed that is chemicaly addictive, so it would only be a mental addiction, which is just plain sad. - luckee
Actually, Racer is right.. to a digree. Marijauna is physically addictive. That\'s been proven, and it\'s fact. However.. as I said earlier. Tetra9-Hydrocanibanal is a fat soluble compound.. which means it attaches to your fat cells and stays in your body for a very long time. The high dosen\'t last more than a few hours.. but the chemical is still in your body for weeks afterward. Since you\'re body is naturally fed a constant supply of THC over the course of those weeks.. you never feel the physical side of the addiction. Try this.. go out and buy a bunch of that quick system flush fluid.. get REALLY fookin stoned several times a day, every day for like 2 weeks.. Then suddenly stop and flush your system out as quickly and completely as you can.
One beer equals about one hit...semi-euphoria for several hours, then the sun rises. - Sara
LoL - What a lightweight! :p
WEED is from the earth. - QuDDuS
So is Nicotine......
I LOVE THE NETHERLANDS!!!!!!!! - LUKE
Eh.. the Netherlands are a nice place to visit.. but I couldn\'t stay there for very long. Those wooden shoes hurt, and there\'s too many fu*king windmills.
also, ive smoked weed for a long time now. and ive tried coke, acid and all sorts of other drugs, and i only TRIED them. i didnt like em, so i didnt do em again. but i still smoke weed. - LUKE
I\'ve done alot of that stuff too. I like it tho.. expecially cocaine. Isn\'t it weird how, according to "health class", Cocaine is a harder drug than LSD.. but yet a Coke high isn\'t anywhere NEAR as intense as a good trip. Anymore, really, I jus do coke for the drainage. Mmmm.. I dunno what it is about that nasty bitter snot rolling down the back of your throat, numbing ya to yer tummy, that I like so much.. but I do. I\'m not too big on acid.. it makes me introspective and I end up getting lost in the corridors of my mind. Tell ya what tho.. racing games on LSD are a BLAST. I got my high score in Crazy Taxi while peakin on Shroomies. Took me two hours to finish up a 10 minuite run. :p
I don\'t wanna try Meth or Heroin. I\'ve heard too many horror stories about them.. and I hate needles. Pretty much I\'m jus a pill popper anymore. Gimmie a few Loretabs and Hydrocodines and I\'m set for some good times.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
LoL - What a lightweight!
Damn right! Five hits and I\'m done. Makes my supply last longer, too. :fro:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
WEED is from the earth. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you don\'t do it in public.
Weed keeps your head straight.
There are many plants that come from the earth that are natural poisons too. That arguement is pretty pointless.
I think that the idea that people need a substance, like weed, to relax/put things into perspective, etc. is sad. I\'ve never tried it, and I\'m one of the most relaxed people I know.
So what if there is no chemical addiction to weed? That doesn\'t mean people can\'t become addicted. There are people addicted to many things that aren\'t associated with chemical addictions. Gambling is an example. You say it\'s sad that people get addicted this way? I think it\'s just as sad that people choose to try the stuff in the first place.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
I\'ve done alot of that stuff too. I like it tho.. expecially cocaine. Isn\'t it weird how, according to "health class", Cocaine is a harder drug than LSD.. but yet a Coke high isn\'t anywhere NEAR as intense as a good trip. Anymore, really, I jus do coke for the drainage. Mmmm.. I dunno what it is about that nasty bitter snot rolling down the back of your throat, numbing ya to yer tummy, that I like so much.. but I do. I\'m not too big on acid.. it makes me introspective and I end up getting lost in the corridors of my mind. Tell ya what tho.. racing games on LSD are a BLAST. I got my high score in Crazy Taxi while peakin on Shroomies. Took me two hours to finish up a 10 minuite run. :p
I don\'t wanna try Meth or Heroin. I\'ve heard too many horror stories about them.. and I hate needles. Pretty much I\'m jus a pill popper anymore. Gimmie a few Loretabs and Hydrocodines and I\'m set for some good times.
im the opposite, i tried coke a couple times, and it didnt really do too much for me... acid on the other hand i had a little romance with. i did it pretty regularly for about 6 months.
i just grew tired of it and stopped, havent done it in about 4 years now, and i doubt i ever will again.
ive never tried herion or meth either. they kinda scare me.
but im with ya on the hydrocodine... its my favorite drug.
also im kinda curious about viagra... laugh at me if you want, i wanna try that stuff.
i heard if you take it when you dont need it it makes you a SEX MACHINE!
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Eh.. the Netherlands are a nice place to visit.. but I couldn\'t stay there for very long. Those wooden shoes hurt, and there\'s too many fu*king windmills.
that makes me angry :mad:
we dutch dont walk on wooden shoes (im fact I haven seen one is 6 years) And there are about 50 windmils in holland, I bet US has more
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Originally posted by luckee
That has nothing to do with anything right now. Please stay on subject.
You yourself talked about weed hurting people. So you didn\'t stay on topic either.
*EDIT* also, for every study that shows weed to kill brain cells, I will show you one that proves otherwise. Those studies are way to vague and discriminant to prove conclusive.
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Originally posted by Bozco
that was in conjunction to my reply to racer, now mm on the other hand. we both know why he said it, stems from another thread :)
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NowI still refuse to believe anyone that says it leads to harder stuff. Put it this way, there is a great chance one who would try a harder substance already had a underlying intrest in doing so.
I was interested in harder drugs wayy b4 I did anything else, why, b/c I was young and impressionable and saw some cousins I looked up to doing those things. So basically by the logic from some of you, my those family members were a gateway drug correct? :rolleyes:
I was yuong and dumb, yet still smart enough to NOT try the stuff. Eventualyl I began smoking weed, then drinking. Not once did doing anything else cross my mind. More time passes and I actaully quite drinkin(GASP) and smoking(GASP GASP!!). Work related reasons...
After I quite that job, I started messing around with a different group, thats when the experimentation began. Little bit of this..little bit of that. I found out it wasnt for me, I also found myself without an addiction either.
More time passes, I felt like a fool how I have aboandoned my sweet mary jane and wet liqours. I will never leave my ladies again!
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I usually wait until I get to work to start my buzz. I got a big plastic CompUSA bag that I have in my cube. I put it over my head, then open all 8 of my dry erase makers and tape them to my cheeks and sniff those bad boys for about 5 minutes straight.
That\'s my breakfast. So usually by 10am I\'m slapping the butts of the girls in the office. And making truck noises whenver someone\'s cell phone rings. For lunch I have a Vodka-Slimfast and a sensible dinner.
It keeps me regualr and I can quit when I want. I\'m not as bad as the dude down the hall that does whiteout. He\'s got a problem.
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Hmm...well, I\'ve never done weed (2nd hand doesn\'t count, right?), so there\'s not really much I can say \'bout it. I read over the thread, and based on that info, here\'s my take on the subject:
1- Weed CAN be addictive, but it\'s mostly an obbession. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, ever hear of it? Most people think of it as something only a "crazy" person would be troubled by- but, we ALL are afflicted with it in some way or another. For example, I am addicted to caffeine in the soda pop form. I gotta have it everyday, otherwise I get severe headaches and my body just gives out by mid day. Is there something chemically addictive in pop? I\'m not sure, but I doubt it. A woman who lives in my complex sun tans everyday by the pool. She is an anglo, but her skin resembles that of an african american. She spends at least 5 hours out in the sun, A DAY. She knows damn well she looks awful. But why won\'t she stop? Obsession. I believe that weed is addictive in the same sense.
2- Weed kills brain cells. There\'s no 2 ways around it, it does. Does that mean pot heads are dumb? Some are. But not all, I suppose the ones that do it in moderation are level headed enough. But beware of idiots like whats-his-name that got banned recently.
3- "Weed comes from the earth.". So does a lot of other poisons that could seriously mess you up (or even kill you). That quote is dumb, usually coming from a pot head who has run outta "smart"arguments.
4- This one is personal. I don\'t have any feelings of resentment towards drug users. Just for the record. I never found much point in taking up a gate way drug. I often wonder if that\'d still stand if I didn\'t have that coke addiction (pun intended). Hmm, I need one right now.
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I was interested in harder drugs wayy b4 I did anything else, why, b/c I was young and impressionable and saw some cousins I looked up to doing those things. So basically by the logic from some of you, my those family members were a gateway drug correct?
Plz, I just watched some friends and cousins smoke weed but that doesn\'t make me want to go and break the law. In my eyes weed is just as bad as any other drug.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Plz, I just watched some friends and cousins smoke weed but that doesn\'t make me want to go and break the law. In my eyes weed is just as bad as any other drug.
Ok, so then you agree that it isnt a gateway drug right? Dont just leave us hanging, explain why weed is as bad as any other drug. People aren\'t out there stealing and killing to hit the weed one more time. People aren\'t selling themselves on corners for another hit of that pot.
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Weed IS a gateway drug.
A gateway to ......... feelin\' good.......... awhh yeah.....
*puts on an Allman Brothers record, fires up a fat doobie and feels awwwww-right! :thepimp:
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*turns up the "Bong Song"*
No way is weed a gateway drug unless you\'re a weakminded person. If you keep tellin yourself your addicted then eventually you will be. But if you just smoke once and a while... aint nothin wrong with that. This is just from my experiences.
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Originally posted by luckee
Ok, so then you agree that it isnt a gateway drug right? Dont just leave us hanging, explain why weed is as bad as any other drug. People aren\'t out there stealing and killing to hit the weed one more time. People aren\'t selling themselves on corners for another hit of that pot.
Do you know if weed is a supressant or a depressant?
Either way, it alters your state of mind and clouds your judgement.
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Originally posted by luckee
Ok, so then you agree that it isnt a gateway drug right? Dont just leave us hanging, explain why weed is as bad as any other drug. People aren\'t out there stealing and killing to hit the weed one more time. People aren\'t selling themselves on corners for another hit of that pot.
It is illegal which should go for something and like Ginko said, it does alter your state of mind just like any other drug.
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weed dont, chuck some skunk or hash into the mix and then you\'ll be chilled.
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Sara - ..... you suck. :p
LUKE - You don\'t need viagra.. you\'re already a Sex Machine! (At least, from what Samwise keeps tellin me.) Addin viagra to the mix would probably just make your nuts explode.
Metal_Gear_Ray - It was a joke dude.. chill out. Ok?
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Originally posted by Ginko
Do you know if weed is a supressant or a depressant?
Either way, it alters your state of mind and clouds your judgement.
I dont remember to be honest. I want to say depressant, but Im not positive.
As for altering yer mind..DUH!!!! Don\'t know about you, but weed does not cloud my judgement. Im just as aware and coherent smoking as I am any other time.
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Originally posted by Bozco
It is illegal which should go for something and like Ginko said, it does alter your state of mind just like any other drug.
you didnt answer my question. Screw illegal, you drive dont you? So since you drive, I know you speed, everyone does at one point in time whether they are aware of it or not. So that is illegal too. WHats yer point?
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Maybe your just lucky...everytime one of my friends do it, he gets depressed and starts to act irrationally. He gets into arguements with poeple, downgrading himself, and acts way out of character...
Here\'s a question for ya...why do it?
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Originally posted by Ginko
Maybe your just lucky...everytime one of my friends do it, he gets depressed and starts to act irrationally. He gets into arguements with poeple, downgrading himself, and acts way out of character...
Here\'s a question for ya...why do it?
Your friend sounds like an alkoholic. No one I know that smokes acts as you descirbe your friend. Everyone I know that smokes is always either full f jokes and laughs or just quiet and chill. I wouldn\'t say I was lucky but more that he is the minority.
Why do I do it? I do it because I like to do it. Simple as that, just like everything else I like to do in life.
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Why do you like to do it???
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Originally posted by Bozco
Why do you like to do it???
are you blind?
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Personally I have only tried it once, and nothing happend. Zippo. I know itll kick in after a while but whatever.
I just think that this new type of weed we are dealing with is just full of a lot of uncertinties--hell we got a whole debate about it. No one knows what it does to you, even the health department. Even what info they did know is different now because the pot of the 70\'s isnt the pot of today. The best thing they could come up with is that it lowers sperm count (who wants babies anyway?).
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Originally posted by luckee
are you blind?
I take it that you\'ve already stated why.
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jesus h christ
SOME PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THE WAY THEY FEEL WHEN THEY SMOKE WEED
thats it.