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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Samwise on June 11, 2002, 09:18:36 AM
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I knew it was fake!
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Hahaha, Go Tellestrator!
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but seriously....we didnt land on the moon.
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....yes, you go on believing everything that FOX tells you.
See Yuz.
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LMFAO but seriously i don\'t think we did:-
No wind on the moon right? --------Why was the flag waving?
In some of the pics from the moon the cross - hairs on the pictures like the ones on the first post, are permenantly etched on the lens of the camera ---------then why in some of the pics is there a cross -hairis thingy behind one of the objects on the moon?
When the tape of the moon landing is doubled in speed --------the astronauts seem to be walking in earths gravity and the moon buggys.
When you can "see" the sun berhind the astronaut ina picture then the astronaut should just be a silohuette right? --------but you can clearly see as much detail as the american flag on his space suit!
There are a lot of other reasons but i can\'t find the tape of the documentry i taped about it...
:)
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Major points are rebuttled at this site, I knew there was a good site that absolustely destroyed the FOX Show\'s doubt...kinda fun to read, albeit long.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
See Yuz.
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lol at the pic...
but yeah ive heard thing about it being fake.....post more, its intresting
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So you\'re willing to bet that they can build a space shuttle to get into space and then fake a moon landing convincingly for decades, but they can\'t build a flag that is made to look like it\'s blowing in the wind?
They sent men into outter space, I think they understand wind.
-Eik
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Give me a break. :laughing:
These people that say the moon landing was fake are the same morons who believe in aliens and big foot.
First time I agree with ROL Jamas,
"BUT DA F0X CHANNAL SAYZ IT BE FAKE!!1111"
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We already know the moon landing was a fake
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
Give me a break. :laughing:
These people that say the moon landing was fake are the same morons who believe in aliens and big foot.
First time I agree with ROL Jamas,
"BUT DA F0X CHANNAL SAYZ IT BE FAKE!!1111"
Wait...he agrees with me? RAH! Well...hmm, uhm...Lakers in 4? :D
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
These people that say the moon landing was fake are the same morons who believe in aliens and big foot.
Do you really believe that in the entire universe and the infinite number of planets around trillions of stars that earth was the only one to spawn life?
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\'spawn\' life?
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Originally posted by Gohan
Do you really believe that in the entire universe and the infinite number of planets around trillions of stars that earth was the only one to spawn life?
i Think Vapor Snake is referring more to the life forms that supposedly come and visit earth. While in my mind im 100% sure that life exists elsewhere in the universe, whether they are the intelligent lifeforms who want to destory earth etc. etc. is another story altogether..
I bet everyone here $100 that if we ever encounter intelligent beings on another planet that we are the ones who will be the aggressors trying to take over their planet.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I bet everyone here $100 that if we ever encounter intelligent beings on another planet that we are the ones who will be the aggressors trying to take over their planet.
If anyone bet against that they should be beat repeatedly over the head with a shovel.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Do you really believe that in the entire universe and the infinite number of planets around trillions of stars that earth was the only one to spawn life?
Yes. And I\'m comfortably saying yes because I\'m sure none of us will be alive to prove me wrong.
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And towards Bobby\'s bet. Well in that matter I agree. We would be the aggressors because we are desperately trying to get outta this planet! We are pissing away resources and Earth\'s life span is gradually decreasing. Not in our life times, but I give Earth only 150 more years until the human race is extinct, from causes to war, or just shooting ourselves in the feet.
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Flag waving....the top of the flag had support to keep it unfurled. The "waving" of the flag is from the astronaut adjusting the post. And since there\'s no friction up there and a complete vacuum....the flag kept waving and waving and waving....
They taught us this in 6th grade. Sheesh people!
If your minds are so readily impressed by sensationalism....perhaps you should go to http://www.snopes2.com
Some of you should switch from MTV and start watching TLC and Discovery channels.
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
Yes. And I\'m comfortably saying yes because I\'m sure none of us will be alive to prove me wrong.
Just because we dont have proof (or do we?) doesnt mean they dont exist :p
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Well I\'m one of those, "I don\'t believe it, till I see it" kinda people.
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Then why would you call others morons for believing it (and put them on the same level as those who believe in bigfoot and the \'fake\' moon landing)
?? Even though its a strong possibility that life does exist, just because you dont believe it, EVERYBODY else has to be a moron??
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Landed in the moon we have - whether the first one a fake was.
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The moon landing hoax was a result of the cold war. You see the US and Soviet Union were in this cold war/make nuclear weapons dealy right, but there was also a competition of the space race. The Soviets had the 1st man\'d spacecraft, 1st women in space, 1st to orbit the earth, 1st satelittes, everything! The US then made up the landing in an attempt to show the US was more advanced to gain an advantage in the cold war.
Then in Apollo 13, we really tried making it to the moon, and you seen what happened. Eventually, I believe we were the first to make it to the moon but I feel that it was Apollo 14, and not 12.
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THE FLAG WAS ON A RIDGED HANGER SO IT BOUNCED SILLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYy
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remember kennedys speech about going to the moon before the end of the decade, in \'67 nasa had an accident where astranauts were killed on the ground, delayed them longer, but some miraculous way they go to the moon in \'69, 1 year before kennedy said they could
coincidence? i dont think so
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They didn\'t have the equipment to make a movie like that in the 60s. It would have looked totally fake. We landed on the moon. If we go believing everything on FOX, this country will be full of morons that can\'t spell their frickin\' name. I never believe any documentary on FOX because they never know what tehy are talking about. THey don\'t even have good programing. Only Family Guy and Simpson\'s are decent and they already cancelled Family Guy and Simpson\'s are going next year. What about the rockets that were lifted off with the astronauts? If they went somewhere else on the planet, they would have been discovered. Any idiot could spot a rocket flying across the sky. The only place they could have gone was space.
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Originally posted by Titan
Simpson\'s are going next year
no, no they aren\'t.
http://nohomers.net/cgi-bin/news/fullnews.cgi?newsid1020291586,51312,
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We will all soon find out if we went to the moon - coz the japenese or chinese(i can\'t remeber) r sending a powerful telescope to orbit the moon(in year i think), and examine the moons surface in detail so they will look for the flags.:)
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If you belive man went to the moon you might as well believe that aliens visit earth and leave crop circles
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Then according to you, I am a firm believer in crop circles. Of course I am not, but I am confident that we went to the moon. The problem with the Russians, is that they had multiple engines (30, to be exact) on their Moon Ship, to the Americans 5 (Saturn Rocket). One of 30 goes down, it all goes down. One of 5 goes down, it goes down, but you have better odds.
We got there, Russians had some problems, but we got there, no less. Yes, Apollo 1 Failed, but 8 and 9 didn\'t. We just had a lot of money put into Nasa (Thanks to Kennedy), so we got it done.
See Yuz.
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Hmm....you sound like one of \'dem alien type.
Lets kick his ass.
;-)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
just because you dont believe it, EVERYBODY else has to be a moron??
Yes.
(Flies away in spaceship)
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man there is no way simpsons is getting cancelled, he just said it harder to keep it fresh after so many episodes
so whats gonna keep it fresh i hear you say
can you say
long lost family
magical powers
and a little green alien only homer can see
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Originally posted by Clowd
If you belive man went to the moon you might as well believe that aliens visit earth and leave crop circles
So I guess everyone that believes we landed on the moon believes in crop circles. I guess you believe that we are the only planet with life. What evidence is there that we didn\'t land on the moon? Did you even read the link that contradicts the stupid FOX show? I\'m assuming you didn\'t. You probably won\'t read it because your afraid of being wrong. There is so much evidence that shows that we did land on the moon because we did.
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Isn\'t there some kind of layer of some kind of radiation that not to get harmed by it would require 6 feet of lead shielding and thats why the Russians never intended to send anyone to the moon.
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If concrete sarcofogus at Chernobyl could hold in radiation radiation, what they put on could have done. Also, I don\'t think there is a radioactive layer around the earth.
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Originally posted by Titan
Also, I don\'t think there is a radioactive layer around the earth.
there is its called the orion belt and is donut shaped, reason why russians couldnt go to the moon, also reason why us cant either
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Originally posted by Clowd
there is its called the orion belt and is donut shaped, reason why russians couldnt go to the moon, also reason why us cant either
Orion belt..?
Donut shaped..?..
your the biggest idiot ive ever seen on the boards..
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LMAO! :laughing: Dude, I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but last thing I recall was Orion was a constellation.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Orion belt..?
Donut shaped..?..
your the biggest idiot ive ever seen on the boards..
orion sounds like allen, as in van allen, so i couldnt remember it correctly, but i looked it up again and here is the result,
http://aoss.engin.umich.edu/earth_space/storms2.html
maybe you should learn more about your planet before trying to insult a member of the forum
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orion sounds nothing like allen..
oh wait.. they both end in "n"
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sue me
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Blow me.
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In the words Clowd uses in FF7, "I\'ll pass."
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There is no such character in FF7..
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After reading that link, I am more convinced that we landed on the moon, it seems more credible than fox, but who\'s to say that site is any more credible than fox.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
it seems more credible than fox, but who\'s to say that site is any more credible than fox.
You just did. ;)
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Haha, yes, that was quite interesting indeed. Not the site of course, BH\'s nice lil\' argument with this "Clowd" person who doesn\'t exactly exist in what he says he exists in, har.
Oh, and that link doesn\'t prove ****, by the way. Paranoia sucks, doesn\'t it?
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by PS2_-\'_\'-_PS2
Isn\'t there some kind of layer of some kind of radiation that not to get harmed by it would require 6 feet of lead shielding and thats why the Russians never intended to send anyone to the moon.
It would be a problem if the space craft was to stick around in it for a while. But they went through so quickly that the radiation was a non-factor.
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Originally posted by Clowd
there is its called the orion belt and is donut shaped, reason why russians couldnt go to the moon, also reason why us cant either
Uh, clowd, if you had actually read that article (and the links that go with it), you wouldn\'t be saying this. Here is the article:
Regarding the Van Allen belts, and the nature of the radiation in them, they are doughnut-shaped regions where charged particles, both protons and electrons, are trapped in the Earth\'s magnetic field. The number of particles encountered (flux is the technical jargon, to impress your friends!) depends on the energy of the particles; in general, the flux of high-energy particles is less, and the flux of low-energy particles is more. Very low energy particles cannot penetrate the skin of a spacecraft, nor even the skin of an astronaut. Very roughly speaking, electrons below about 1 million electron volts (MeV) are unlikely to be dangerous, and protons below 10 MeV are also not sufficiently penetrating to be a concern. The actual fluxes encountered in the Van Allen belts is a matter of great commercial importance, as communications satellites operate in the outer region, and their electronics, and hence lifetimes, are strongly affected by the radiation environment. Thus billions of dollars are at stake, never mind the Moon! The standard database on the fluxes in the belt are the models for the trapped radiation environment, AP8 for protons, and AE8 for electrons, maintained by the National Space Sciences Data Center at NASA\'s Goddard Spaceflight Center. Barth (1999) gives a summary which indicates that electrons with energies over 1 MeV have a flux above a million per square centimeter per second from 1-6 earth radii (about 6,300 - 38,000 km), and protons over 10 MeV have a flux above one hundred thousand per square centimeter per second from about 1.5-2.5 Earth radii (9,500 km - 16,000 km).
Then what would be the radiation dose due to such fluxes, for the amount of time an astronaut crew would be exposed? This was in fact a serious concern at the time that the Apollo program was first proposed. Unfortunately I have not located quantitative information in the time available, but my recollection is that the dose was roughly 2 rem (= 20 mSv, milli-Sievert).
The time the astronauts would be exposed is fairly easy to calculate from basic orbital mechanics, though probably not something most students below college level could easily verify. You have perhaps heard that to escape from Earth requires a speed of about 7 miles per second, which is about 11.2 km per sec. At that speed, it would require less than an hour to pass outside the main part of the belts at around 38,000 km altitude. However it is a little more complicated than that, because as soon as the rocket motor stops burning, the spacecraft immediately begins to slow down due to the attraction of gravity. At 38,000 km altitude it would actually be moving only about 4.6 km per sec, not 11.2. If we just take the geometric average of these two, 7.2 km per sec, we will not be too far off, and get about 1.5 hours for the time to pass beyond 38,000 km.
Unfortunately calculating the average radiation dose received by an astronaut in the belts is quite intricate in practice, though not too hard in principle. One must add up the effects of all kinds of particles, of all energies. For each kind of particle (electrons and protons in this situation) you have to take account of the shielding due to the Apollo spacecraft and the astronaut space suits. Here are some approximate values for the ranges of protons and electrons in aluminum:
Range in Aluminum [cm] Energy
[MeV] electrons protons
1 0.15 ~ nil
3 0.56 ~ nil
10 1.85 0.06
30 no flux 0.37
100 no flux 3.7
For electrons, the AE8 electron data shows negligible flux (< 1 electron per square cm per sec) over E=7 MeV at any altitude. The AP8 proton compilations indicates peak fluxes outside the spacecraft up to about 20,000 protons per square cm per sec above 100 MeV in a region around 1.7 Earth radii, but because the region is narrow, passage takes only about 5 min. Nevertheless, these appear to be the principal hazard.
These numbers seem generally consistent with the ~2 rem doses I recall. If every gram of a person\'s body absorbed 600,000 protons with energy 100 MeV, completely stopping them, the dose would be about 50 mSv. Assuming a typical thickness of 10 cm for a human and no shielding by the spacecraft gives a dose of something like 50 mSv in 300 sec due to protons in the most intense part of the belt.
For comparison, the US recommended limit of exposure for radiation workers is 50 mSv per year, based on the danger of causing cancer. The corresponding recommended limits in Britain and Cern are 15 mSv. For acute doses, the whole-body exposure lethal within 30 days to 50% of untreated cases is about 2.5-3.0 Gy (Gray) or 250-300 rad; in such circumstances, 1 rad is equivalent to 1 rem.
So the effect of such a dose, in the end, would not be enough to make the astronauts even noticeably ill. The low-level exposure could possibly cause cancer in the long term. I do not know exactly what the odds on that would be, I believe on the order of 1 in 1000 per astronaut exposed, probably some years after the trip. Of course, with nine trips, and a total of 3 X 9 = 27 astronauts (except for a few, like Jim Lovell, who went more than once) you would expect probably 5 or 10 cancers eventually in any case, even without any exposure, so it is not possible to know which if any might have been caused by the trips.
Much of this material can be found in the 1999 "Review of Particle Properties", (see below) in the sections on "Atomic and nuclear properties of materials", on "Radioactivity and radiation protection", and on "Passage of particles through matter".
By this point I have no doubt told you more than you really wanted to know about the Van Allen belt and the Apollo radiation problem! Nevertheless, I have barely scratched the surface, and waved my hands a bit, to make it seem likely that I\'m not full of baloney. But in the end you always have to either do it all yourself, or trust a stranger completely, or try to find some path in between: which means understanding a little science, so you can judge for yourself if my arguments make any sense at all, check a little, think about it, maybe do a bit of research on your own from the references if you are interested. The only alternative is to trust no one and do everything, which is simply impossible for anyone; or really give up all your judgements to other people, who may be saints or crooks, wise or insane. I hope you will try to find the possible but not perfect in-between path by learning some science. It is hard, but it is fun and interesting, and it gives you your own power to think and evaluate for yourself, albeit in a limited and imperfect way.