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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: NVIDIA256 on June 11, 2002, 11:00:56 AM
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Ok, first off. I think XBOX is a great console and everything but I do have a few beefs with it.
Now everybody talks about graphics, textures, etc...blah,blah
Yet since XBOX primarily displays at 640x480 all the potential beauty it has to offer cannot be seen. For instance say I get HALO online, UT and SEGA GT. On a regular TV graphic wise, they are nothing special to me. I want crisp, clean graphics, not some blur up piece of ****.(errr) MS needs to come out with an official VGA adaptor. Now I know some companies have come out with independent HDTV to VGA adapters, but even they have they short comings, one being price $180-250 US, while they still are not to par with VGA standards.
I can no longer stand playing console games with low res, unless I have a 53 inch HDTV, which I cannot afford.
Also this brings up another topic, I personally feel games can be taken to a whole new level with a good surround sound system and a BIG screen or even better a projector. I found playing halo or whatever game on this set-up, allowed me to become allot more involved in the game. In other words I felt like I was part of the game, as if I was there.
Anyhow what is your thoughts on this guys?????????
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Graphics don\'t matter that much to me. I know they can be displayed as sharper, clearer images, but I never get hung up on the possibilites. I just play them on my TV and be happy, old skool-style.
... :cool:
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I hear ya, I Realize there many people out there whom are quite content with playing games in 640x480 and if it works for you then all the power to you bro.
Although the way I see it, We are living in the new millennium the technology is here, therefore I would like it if game companies would take advantage of it.
I have been a PC gamer for many years now, for the past 3 years playing games like UT, MM, etc.. in high res I can never go back. Heck my Dreamcast had a VGA adaptor, I was always playing my DC games on my 21 SONY Trinitron monitor.
Also like I said earlier sound to me is just as important as picture quality. It\'s a shame most people don\'t have high quality Dolby Digital surround sound systems for there XBOX.
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I love my HDTV. :)
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I wish I had a HDTV. :D
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yeah, the graphics dont mean much when it comes to value
gameplay is more important, graphics are just a limitation most times
good god man, xmorrowindx?
put a game like xkabukiwarriorsx before that trash
uGh
the xbox is a great little (big) console that will never reach its potential. sony is just too strong
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What upsets me is that this hardware has so much potential and can do so many great things, and yet because they are an underdog, they are not being utilized to its fullest. The PS2 is fine and all, the GC is good, but there are some things the XBox can do that the others cant and it upsets me that for how much it costs to build this thing, and how much it costs to buy, there are no games that utilize it to the extremes that I am expecting.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Also this brings up another topic, I personally feel games can be taken to a whole new level with a good surround sound system and a BIG screen or even better a projector. I found playing halo or whatever game on this set-up, allowed me to become allot more involved in the game. In other words I felt like I was part of the game, as if I was there.
Is your complaint here that not enough games are utilizing surround sound? I knox Halo has surround sound and thats great, but how many other big XBox games utilise this?? I for one know that playing Medal of Honor on a big screen TV was absolutely amazing. Particularly the first level (we had the volume up so loud i wonder what the neighboors were thinking :eek: ) And it made my usual gaming experience of sitting in front of a tiny Sony Trinitron from the ****ing 18th century with a tiny tiny little speaker pale in comparison. But just because a game doesnt utilise proper surround sound surely that doesnt mean that your set up would go to waste. How many games really need surround sound anyway? Munch? Project Gotham? Halo for sure would be enhanced. And imagine Splinter Cell with surround sound, man that could add to the experience.
If my rant up there had anything to do with you post, anything at all.. then.................................................*falls off chair*
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The worst thing about X-box are its fanboys. I mean I know some PS2 and Gamecube fanboys, but the X-box ones are just... (takes a poop) (writes X-box with it)...
Yeah.
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Team x box
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
The worst thing about X-box are its fanboys. I mean I know some PS2 and Gamecube fanboys, but the X-box ones are just... (takes a poop) (writes X-box with it)...
Yeah.
I know what you mean.even me an Xbox owner can\'t stand the chit that comes out of their mouths, well I guess keyboards but you get the ponit.
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what gets me about the xbox zealots is that thier too frickin hostile.
ps2 and gc fans might be a bit stubborn in thier ways, but look at some of the fools that slink here from the xbox forums, uGh
i guess the wait for A+ titles is just too much to endure
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Hmmm,
I think there are enough morons on all sides. It\'s just a matter of who you talk to.
Ace
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PS2 fans are the most informed
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Really? Maybe here, but I would like to see the study that you get your info from. :)
Ace
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I got my info from experience, at the boards and elsewhere
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OK,
I just think it\'s a pretty broad statement.
Ace
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Originally posted by Clowd
PS2 fans are the most informed
I guess that makes you an XBox fan then..
:p
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PS2 fans are more informed, the ones in japan, they know what console to buy, and what console to buy 800 of, so they have good taste and are informed, the fans in american seem to be bought by m$ 500 million ad campaign, not so in japan, who can blame the fans in american, bought into the hype
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So the buying public who bought an Xbox is stupid in your opinion.
Wow, I guess I am one of the ignorant unwashed in America for buying into the hype.
Cool!
Ace
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Ace... forget it, its not worth arguing with Clowd..
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If you want to put it that way
americans arent alone, in the uk, people were buying the x box for $400+, not like it was a hot item or anything
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the japanese just have higher standards then americans, thats all
its a well established cultural difference
they expect more and will sacrifice less than a typical american gamer, kina like errrrrr me :)
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Originally posted by mm
the japanese just have higher standards then americans, thats all
its a well established cultural difference
they expect more and will sacrifice less than a typical american gamer, kina like errrrrr me :)
..*cough*cheap*cough*..
;)
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ahhh.. forget it :)
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Originally posted by Clowd
PS2 fans are the most informed
Yes, they are...
They all think Sega makes PC games.
I guess that makes you an XBox fan then..
I like you more by the day.
:p
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They all think Sega makes PC games.
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or perhaps i should dig deeper into my repatoire?
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i have it, you dont
:)
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The Japanese donot have higher standards--have you seen what is popular there?? Obviously not. They like certain things it\'s just different.
I can\'t wait until the new board comes out and I won\'t have to deal with ... oh nevermind.
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yes, i should have said higher tastes
remember, usa is the land of white trash jerry springer fans who jump on ANYTHING that claims to be new, faster, bigger, etc....
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I hope you\'re not throwing everyone into this generalization of yours...
I don\'t consider myself or anyone I know to be white trash...and I don\'t think lowly of anyone for their personal taste or preference.
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ginko, being from texas you should know more than most what the deline of the western civilization is all about
you, yourself, might not be in the group i describe
but youll see it if you look outside
i also dont discriminate against people with poor taste, i just pity them and glad they dont crowd my interests
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Originally posted by mm
ginko, being from texas you should know more than most what the deline of the western civilization is all about
I absolutley love Texas, but hate the stereotypes that get thrown in with being associated with it.
What are you trying to say here...
you, yourself, might not be in the group i describe
but youll see it if you look outside
I\'m not stupid, and I have traveled quite a bit in the states. I know there are a diverse group of people out there ranging across all classes, intelligence, and cultures...same can be said for any country.
i also dont discriminate against people with poor taste, i just pity them and glad they dont crowd my interests
What makes you the standard?
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i dont make the standard, the outside world does
the US is hated or distrusted by probably 80% of the world
americans themselves are hated or jaded against by probably the same numbers
america uses 50% of the worlds energy
america contains the most overweight people per capita
america produces the most refuse
america is filled to the brim with fat, lazy, stupid people
im glad to hear yer not one of them
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They are not a people of higher tastes either. They like anime, child porn, dating sims, -- every society has vices and low-lifes, you are being egocentric and reductionary.
Everything isn\'t beauty and light over there you know.
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Originally posted by mm
i dont make the standard, the outside world does
the US is hated or distrusted by probably 80% of the world
americans themselves are hated or jaded against by probably the same numbers
america uses 50% of the worlds energy
america contains the most overweight people per capita
america produces the most refuse
america is filled to the brim with fat, lazy, stupid people
im glad to hear yer not one of them
I agree with some of what you say here, but not being liked by a good portion of the world is fine with me. Most of the people that hate us would give their left (you name the body part) to be here.
As a matter of fact, some die trying.
Ace
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Originally posted by mm
i dont make the standard, the outside world does
What makes you so sure of these standards? Certainly, not every other culture has a different idea than the U.S. but the same as everyone else.
the US is hated or distrusted by probably 80% of the world
What should I say? Good guess? That\'s like me saying I hate/distrust people from the MiddleEastern when I honestly don\'t know one myself. I\'m not going to throw them all into a stereotype...
americans themselves are hated or jaded against by probably the same numbers
There\'s the generalization again, do they hate me? Why? Do they hate you? Why? What would be there reason...
america uses 50% of the worlds energy
america contains the most overweight people per capita
america produces the most refuse
america is filled to the brim with fat, lazy, stupid people
We also probably have the most ammenities and freedom of anything else out there. It\'s a shame, it seems you take it for granted...
im glad to hear yer not one of them
To think that you would look down on people like that makes me feel sorry for you...
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well, yeah
they have this image of america the beautiful
the land of the free, home of the brave
till they get here, and they wind up homeless or in a shelter, or working the streets
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Originally posted by mm
well, yeah
they have this image of america the beautiful
the land of the free, home of the brave
till they get here, and they wind up homeless or in a shelter, or working the streets
or live full and prosperus (sp?) lives...
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Originally posted by mm
well, yeah
they have this image of america the beautiful
the land of the free, home of the brave
till they get here, and they wind up homeless or in a shelter, or working the streets
That\'s pretty cynical mm. Almost as cynical as me. I do believe that anyone can be as prosperous as they want in this country. It happens all the time.
Ace
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yeah, but thier the minority
thier the ones who were smart and came with money, or had family here to get help
im VERY cynical when it comes to the USA
i love my country, but i frickin HATE my government
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I just want to say that most americans are very paranoid inviduals who profile
and yeah i can back it up
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Originally posted by Clowd
I just want to say that most americans are very paranoid inviduals who profile
and yeah i can back it up
My my you paint with a broad brush.
Anyway, I do not always agree with our government but it sure is better than the alternative.
What was this thread about again? :)
Ace
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the alternative? you mean the little ideology called a DEOMCRACY?!
dont think for a second that we live in one now
we live inside a policed state, not even commonwealths anymore
aCk! *must control rage* ...........
:P
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Can I ask you why you think we live in a police state?
Ace
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can i ask why you think we dont?
we have no true freedoms
the bill of rights might as well be dead and buried
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Originally posted by mm
can i ask why you think we dont?
we have no true freedoms
the bill of rights might as well be dead and buried
I think you might be a wee bit paranoid. I\'m not sure where your coming from so it\'s hard to see your point of view.
Ace
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im far from paranoid
im jaded, thats all
im coming from years of watching our govt abandon us for thier own deviant greedy ways
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admendments can be repealed...that simple, and you lose all your cherished rights
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Originally posted by mm
im far from paranoid
im jaded, thats all
im coming from years of watching our govt abandon us for thier own deviant greedy ways
I almost fully agree with you on this one...but I do think that some of what our govt does is for our benefit.
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Well if your saying that the government should be more prevalent in our lives then I could not disagree with you more.
The
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for example, look at canada
sure thier economy isnt doing so good right now, but thier citizens get FREE healthcare, free higher education
ask bjorn how much he paid for his college degree
im paying $3200 a semester for mine, :mad:
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That might be true but a lot of people come to this country because we have the best hospitals and schools. I don\'t see too many people running to Canada for heart operations.
The answer is not to stick the governments nose in every aspect of our lives, but to allow the free market to do it\'s thing.
Ace
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now dont get me started on the private hospital sectors
ever been in a state hospital? its sad
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I guess it\'s all where your standing when you look at this subject.
I pay quarterly taxes so I am no fan of the government raising my taxes.
Ace
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Free? Again, it\'s egocentric and reductionalist. I live in Canada, Everything I make gets taxed at a rate of about 40-45%. Then whenever I buy anything, I get taxed again at 15%. When I cash my RRSPs, they\'ll get taxed another 15% (that\'s already taxed income getting taxed again).
You say Canada has free healthcare, I say I more than pay for it. Thanks.
I paid $2000-2500 for education. Sure it\'s a little cheaper, but you can take you degree anywhere, nobody has heard (or cares)about any university in Canada with the exception of perhaps Toronto. Plus all that tax I pay doesn\'t hurt either.
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Oooookay...
Getting back on topic...
mm...
Yes, I know Sega makes PC games. DUH!!!
I meant Sega makes games for the PC that are already available for consoles. They are not really a PC developer like Blizzard or Sierra.
They\'re all ports. Can you name one Sega PC game thats not available on a console?
:fro:
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Originally posted by Ashford
Yes, I know Sega makes PC games. DUH!!!
I meant Sega makes games for the PC that are already available for consoles.
PS2 fans are more informed then you think hmm? lol
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Huh?
I have no idea what you\'re trying to say.
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Originally posted by Ashford
Yes, they are...
They all think Sega makes PC games.
this should enlighten you
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because we have the best hospitals and schools.
Which you can never afford to go to. Harvard, YALE keep dreaming, as for the best hospitals, you really mean the doctors and there equipment, which again only the rich will ever benefit from, not the majority of Americans, so who cares.
In Canada, allot of that **** is free, well not really are taxes are a real *****.
Free? Again, it\'s egocentric and reductionalist. I live in Canada, Everything I make gets taxed at a rate of about 40-45%. Then whenever I buy anything, I get taxed
A fellow Canuk, Well watchie I\'m from Toronto and I got NIF\'s(north Island Funds) to pay for three years of schooling of what ever I want for free, and that\'s how it is in Canada folks!
If you’re smart and live in CANADA you will get the government to pay for your education. SO Watchdog if you plan to go back to school I can tell you of 4 different ways to get your school paid for
PS. (NIFS) is paying for my school, my rent to live there, my car insurance and my gas and food money. LOL!!
Oh and I have lived in the states for 4 years when I was 15-19, and I could hardly tell the diff from TORONTO, Americans don\'t understand we live just like them in our metropolis area\'s.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
PS. (NIFS) is paying for my school, my rent to live there, my car insurance and my gas and food money. LOL!!
Oh and I have lived in the states for 4 years when I was 15-19, and I could hardly tell the diff from TORONTO, Americans don\'t understand we live just like them in our metropolis area\'s.
"I\'m from the government and we\'re here to help you"
Gives me the chills.
You can have all your state run agencies. Government is not meant to carry you from the craddle to the grave.
I wish everything could be "free" but it doesn\'t work that way.
Somebody has to pay.
Ace
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I wish everything could be "free" but it doesn\'t work that way.
Somebody has to pay.
Ace
CLAP, CLAP.... Bravo ace, Bravo-f*CKING O!!:bounce: (in a sarcastic manner)
Your brilliant, you know that, you are indeed right, somebody does have to pay. That somebody is myself and 30 million other Canadians, it\'s called TAX! We here in Canada pay high taxes, for that is what allows us to have somewhat free health care, and education.
You can have all your state run agencies. Government is not meant to carry you from the craddle to the grave
Please tell me that\'s not a hint of jealously I smell(or maybe I\'m getting the wrong impression here, if so I apologize). I am well aware that the government is not our friend, you guy\'s over in America know all too well about uncle Sam and his BLACK OP\'s money, heck even president eisen hower warned the American people about the military industrial complex(black op\'s money support that)...**** I’m rambling on.
Back to my point, hint of advise my friend "seize the Opportunity"
if you don\'t then your a moron. In other words if there is a window of great opportunity then take it, if you don\'t someone else will. If my gov is willing to pay for my education, then why the hell not take it, I’d be stupid if I didn\'t. With that being taken care of I can now focus all my time and energy on my studies, which will allow me to achieve a higher learing.
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CLAP, CLAP.... Bravo ace, Bravo-f*CKING O!! (in a sarcastic manner)
Thanks for pointing out that you were being sarcastic. I was getting ready to pat myself on the back. :rolleyes:
I am not jealous. Apology excepted.
Ace
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CLAP, CLAP.... Bravo ace, Bravo-f*CKING O
Actually I got that from "FACE OFF" remeber when cage has no face and he compliments the doctor.
CAGE: BRAVO...CLAP.....Bravo-f*CKING O clap.
Doctor:what do you want?
CAGE: Take one Fuc*ing Guess (DUH...)-ME
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I didn\'t get the reference. I haven\'t seen the movie. :)
Ace
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I didn\'t get the reference. I haven\'t seen the movie.
Believe me you didn\'t miss much
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I\'m too tired to read through the whole thread, but Xbox (or any other console) probably won\'t get you those super high resolutions with AA implemented etc, simply because bandwidth is pretty low on it and not enough. Another thing is, how many people have a HDTV outthere? Worldwide? Certainly not enough for any developer to seriously consider it.
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Originally posted by seven
I\'m too tired to read through the whole thread, but Xbox (or any other console) probably won\'t get you those super high resolutions with AA implemented etc, simply because bandwidth is pretty low on it and not enough. Another thing is, how many people have a HDTV outthere? Worldwide? Certainly not enough for any developer to seriously consider it.
AFAIK, AA eats up fillrate, not bandwidth.
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The U.S. goverment ROCKS!!!!111 LIKE EUROPEAN BREAD!!!!1
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Originally posted by mm
the xbox is a great little (big) console that will never reach its potential. sony is just too strong
:D
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Please tell me that\'s not a hint of jealously I smell(or maybe I\'m getting the wrong impression here, if so I apologize). I am well aware that the government is not our friend, you guy\'s over in America know all too well about uncle Sam and his BLACK OP\'s money, heck even president eisen hower warned the American people about the military industrial complex(black op\'s money support that)...**** I’m rambling on.
Hmm.. maybe the government wouldn\'t have to pay for yer school if they didn\'t take half your money.
I have a BIG problem with government stealing my money... and that\'s exactly what it is, theft. The only thing government should have absolute control over is national defense... everything else should be free market (except in extreme situations, where intervention will be put to a vote)
So i take loans out for school, the grants help also... but i have paid way more in taxes this year, then they have paid for my school.
I know most canadian are pretty gung ho about there government. But remember everything that your government controls is one less choice you have. If noone has guesses yet i am a Libertarian... not the militia kind, I just believe in a freedom. If i want to pay for insurense and go to an HMO .. that is my perogitive. If not, than no government should force me to pay for things i may or may not ever use. Social Security is a good example... i had a friend growing up who made $500 a month becuase his father was injured. His father got $1500 a month... WTF why are they wasting all that money, especially when his mother worked also.
And we have to pay for crap like that.
I believe you should do whay ya want as long as it doesn\'t hurt anyone esle. I don\'t approve of many things, but i have know right to judge what is acceptable.
So why does the government control Police, Postal Service and the like... these industries qould benifit greatly from compitition...
okay okay, enough fer now
later
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the japanese just have higher standards then americans, thats all
its a well established cultural difference
they expect more and will sacrifice less than a typical american gamer, kina like errrrrr me
MM you get games cheaper than japanese people......you get them from the back of a van dont you?! :mad:
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Originally posted by mm
the xbox is a great little (big) console that will never reach its potential. sony is just too strong
I think XBox will reach its potential because MS has enough weapons to do it !:)
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you mean cash?
unless they give xbox\'s away for free, its not gonna have a hope
i was looking thru the sunday paper ads today and i noticed something strange
best buy
circuit city
toys-R-us
compUSA
NONE of the ads had any reference to xbox or xbox games at all
seemed very odd to me, i\'ll have to check again next week
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buh, mm you know BizioEE is now a classic TXB\'er
only the people on TXB\'s forums know that XBox is going to win this console war.. and BizioEE has turned into one of them (if he wasnt already)
Hell, even Ginko doubts the XBox will win (although not ruling it out)
silly Busy, silly BizioEE indeed..
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
buh, mm you know BizioEE is now a classic TXB\'er
only the people on TXB\'s forums know that XBox is going to win this console war.. and BizioEE has turned into one of them (if he wasnt already)
Hell, even Ginko doubts the XBox will win (although not ruling it out)
silly Busy, silly BizioEE indeed..
I didn\'t say XBox will win...though I think XBox will be a very successful console...
second...I think PS2 won\'t win this "console war" as I mean that..."games vs games"...
I think XBox will show all the potential because MS has the "weapons" to do it...and it\'s different from saying XBox will win in sold-units...
who is silly Bobs? I think you\'re silly...you\'re a mod and can\'t even accept other opinions...
I think XBox is a better console,overall...but it\'s just me...it\'s just my opinion!
Hell, even Ginko doubts the XBox will win
it has nothing to do with my post(read above)...do you snort cocaine?:p
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i cant accept your \'opinion\' that PS2 sales will now die while XBox will keep getting stronger
i apologize for saying that you think it will win :) i wa mistaken
other than that, your opinions on games is fine with me :) stop calling me silly! YOU...YOU are the one who is silly!
god damn hunk :(
;):p
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stop calling me silly!
OK! :)
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Originally posted by nonamer
AFAIK, AA eats up fillrate, not bandwidth.
AA eats up bandwidth aswell. Especially once you\'re going for those higher resolutions. ;)
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Originally posted by seven
AA eats up bandwidth aswell. Especially once you\'re going for those higher resolutions. ;)
well...AA eats only bandwidth and not fill-rate in the case of the XBox...
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Originally posted by BizioEE
well...AA eats only bandwidth and not fill-rate in the case of the XBox...
And it seems to be a problem with Xbox, cuz it has a limited bandwidth..
Not many Xbox games use AA.