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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Titan on June 12, 2002, 12:51:41 PM
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This will be my last post in CD because it is going to be gone tomorrow. My opinion on the Console War is that one will come out a winner. But it doesn\'t matter which one. I was once told by a friend that if you like one console, you\'ll like the rest. All the consoles do have their strong points and their weak points. They all have some good games. Each console has games oriented toward a certain audience. X-Box and PS2 seem to be more aimed toward teenagers and adults. GCN seem to be aimed at kids with some kiddy games but also aiming toward teenagers. I\'ve played each console and think that all of them will succeed and have an impact in gaming forever. I don\'t see what all this fighting is about. Just play games and enjoy them for what they are. I just wanted to get my opinion out before CD is closed.
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Games are games, no matter what you play them on.
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Best overall console (hardware,games,pads etc) = PS2, sure some may like x box, or its games better, but when it comes down to it, the public have spoken, PS2 is the best overall console
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lol clowd :)
im with titan on this one also
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I\'m glad to see a couple people are on my side. Thanks Dajona and mm.
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agrees with Titan...
hugs everyone
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lol clowd, I\'m going to miss you starting tomorrow.
Titan, you said it man.
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Its a shame the sales don\'t reflect your feelings.
*sniff*
RIP Dreamcast!
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PS2\'s controllers suck and so do you clowd. Not everything has to be about PS2, each console has great things about it.
and to whoever turned on the smilies, away with you and the smilies! turn them back off!
Eric Jacob
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PS2\'s controllers suck
i pray yer saying that just to stroke him
cause you simply cannot be serious
yeah, smilies suck arse
:)
oops!
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I wasn\'t joking.
Disjointed D-Pad, digital shoulder buttons, small size, and short, flimsy cords, make DS II controllers a bitch to play with. I much prefer the Controller S to it, although it is better than GC\'s mini-me controller or XBox\'s normal controller.
Eric Jacob
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i dunno altered, i think yer too far over the fence for even me to reason with ya
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you ever tried playing a 2D fighter on PS2 controllers? neraly impossible to pull off juggles in SF3 with them (I have a DC controller adaptor and I have tried every console\'s controllers with DC...Saturn is the only controller I will ever use for 2D fighters, although the Controller S\'s D-Pad is the successor to the rocking d-pad of the NiGHTS pad.
how about racing games? Ever feel how you lose realism when going from Analog DC or XBox controls and then moving to digital? It sucks! You lose the precision of gas and brake on PS2, even the much vaunted 200-some odd degrees of pressure the buttons feel, it is a joke compared to analog triggers.
After moving from the NiGHTS pad, it wasn\'t easy adjusting to the Dual Shock, and it never will be, it is too small and does not rest in your hands like Con. , NiGHTS pad, or GC\'s controller.
The sticks placement sucks, too. The only game I can see that would benefit from having the sticks in the middle of the controller is Virtual On: Force (prays), and I haven\'t seen that yet.
and so on. They could\'ve much improved on the Dual Shock for DSII, but chose that familiarity with the much average DS was more worth it.
Eric Jacob
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its not fair to compare analog triggers, ya know
and i find it frickin retarded that the xbox controller has the analog sticks on different levels
any control problem you might be having during fighting games could be due to lack of eye hand coordination, no?
the DS was the perfect everyday controller, why change it much?
should they be like nintendo and bring out gimmicky controllers?
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analog triggers are obviously NOT a gimmick (it\'s been on 4 other controllers).
Having them on different levels feels completely natural after beating Halo, you should realize that, since you played the game out, correct?
they could\'ve AT LEAST jointed the d-pad together, but alas, it is my hand-eye coordination that is messing me up, I thought it was the fact that there is NO down-in-the-corner, except killing your thumbs moving them around to hit both "points" of the d-pad at one time to make it do that. It is a shoddily made controller, as far as I can tell, since I have had one go out on me of both DS and DSII variety. The cords are short (I don\'t believe length is a gimmick) and they are very flimsy and thin (strength is not a gimmick, I don\'t think so, at least).
The XBox jewel on the controllers is ugly and useless, but it doesn\'t mess up the fact that the best controller of this generation is the Controller S, superceded in time only by the Saturn NiGHTS pad, the king of all controllers.
Eric Jacob
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And the new Era if these forums starts off with a bang!
Woot, Titan put it best. But in my own words, there will never be a console winner, at least not until these systems are old and outdated(k, when their ancient). Putting my right foot foward, this split should not be the start of a war, rather an understanding of where everyone is coming from.
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First of all, what are your guy\'s opiinions on what "winning" the console war exactly is?
Is it merely profit margin? If so, I believe the ps2 will not be passed.
Or for you is it satisfaction?. I do not own more that one next-gen console, just a ps2. But for someone who has the privledge of owning all three they probably have a favourite, and with a true gamer this deciding factor of this favourite is more than likely gameplay. In the gameplay department I believe it is anybodies race, but say X-box or gamecube release one of the greatest games ever made. Just because it is out there doesnt mean it will hold a large profit that will win a console war for a company. In the industry money is made on software, If a company does not have millions of hardware units sold, they can not expect millions of software units sold. IMO the console war based on profits is already won by sony, But "satisfaction" is anybodies war to win.
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I too hate the PS2 controller for 2d fighters. And I prefer the triggers. I think the GC pad is best this generation though.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
digital shoulder buttons
thats funny.. when i play MGS2 and Ace Combat 4, the harder i press on the shoulder buttons has more effect
i.e. In first person view in MGS2, press R2 (?) lightly and i will pop my head out a little bit.. press it hard and i will go further..
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
thats funny.. when i play MGS2 and Ace Combat 4, the harder i press on the shoulder buttons has more effect
i.e. In first person view in MGS2, press R2 (?) lightly and i will pop my head out a little bit.. press it hard and i will go further..
bobby boy is Right
The Shoulder buttons are Analouge along with the 4 symbol buttons (Square, triangle , Cross and circle)
plus having both Analoug sticks at the same level makes the dual Shock ideal to use.
the only down side with the DS2 is that sometime when your playing a frantic game like DMC your thumb can slip and hit the Select button and pause the game.
other than that the DS2 is Superbly Built and fits in your hand with the minium of fuss.
Originally posted by Watchdog
I too hate the PS2 controller for 2d fighters. And I prefer the triggers. I think the GC pad is best this generation though.
2 points ruined the other wise Superb GC controller for me
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- The fact that the Z "trigger" button is sometime difficult to find...Esp in the middle of a massive Star Wars Rouge leader 2 battle when you want to ROLL
- the Fact that the C stick and analouge stick is at diffrent levels...WTF Nintendo thats something i would expect from MicroFlops.
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anyway for me, my top list of controllers are
- (Best) Sony Dual Shock 2
- Nintendo Game Cube controller
- A sharp stick covered in Dog Poo
- (Worst) the X flops controller
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The DS2 D-pad is also analogue ya know. All eight directions react to 256 different pressure levels (like all the other buttons). Quite useless if you ask me.
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Point taken. Although The point is still moot for racing games, It feels like just a straight button to me.
Have any of you actually used the Controller S?
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Point taken. Although The point is still moot for racing games, It feels like just a straight button to me.
Have you played gta3 with the ds2? gt3? the gas and brakes using the digital buttons feels like at least 5 levels of sensivity in gta3, and the quality from the stick doesnt decrease to the x button in gt3
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controller-s altered?
why should i pay m$ another 40$ for a perephial they should have done right in the 1st place
bad enough they charge to watch DVD\'s and to get a digital audio out port
[yes i know they put a gimmicky 8g hD and a useless as of now NIC, thx :rolleyes:]
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Yes, because I NEVER listen to my own soundtracks on XBox or play Morrowind at all. In those reagards, yes, the harddrive IS useless. :rolleyes:
They also give you 4 controller ports out of the box, and a bba adaptor that also must be useless (those MotoGP and Halo online sessions at my friends house last week never happened), too.
What an overpriced console :rolleyes:
Who cares about the DVD kit. They aren\'t making you watch movies, after all, that is probably what your PS2 has been doing the past few weeks. :p
The controllers are far and away too much money, but that doesn\'t blot out the fact that they are better than the other controllers of the generation.
clowd - I NEVER noticed a difference in how hard I pressed a button in GTA3. GT3, if you wanna go fast, you have to hold down the button harder than normal for a long time, making my tired like when I used to play Tony Hawk on my DC for several hours at a time.
Eric Jacob
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I NEVER noticed a difference in how hard I pressed a button in GTA3. GT3, if you wanna go fast, you have to hold down the button harder than normal for a long time, making my tired like when I used to play Tony Hawk on my DC for several hours at a time.
Tired??? You can\'t be serious
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I dunno what to say, i found even d pad of the ds2 great, for an example at test course in gt3 i was able to drive 3 feet from the fence like the ai cars around the entire track with out jerking the wheel, but using the d pads sensivity
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Winners use steering wheels :D
GT3 w/ pad = something I couldn\'t imagine myself doing ever again.
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I NEVER noticed a difference in how hard I pressed a button in GTA3. GT3, if you wanna go fast, you have to hold down the button harder than normal for a long time, making my tired like when I used to play Tony Hawk on my DC for several hours at a time.
Hhaha :laughing:
What a wimp.
No really.. How can you get tried?
You don’t have to press it hard at all to go fast (max effect).
Damn, really trying hard to find faults in the PS2, huh Eric?
;)
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The GameCube trigger buttons have their advantages and dis-advantages over the PS2\'s shoulder buttons.
Advantage, you can really feel yourself pressing it in, and that click when you press it all the way is neat-o
Disadvantage.. only 3, and the third is in a horrible position.
Disadvantage.. i couldnt see myself playing a game like TS2 on the GameCube controller. The ****ty "Camera" stick, that can be used like an analogue stick.. but i ask why.. WHY did they make it specific to cameras when a second Analogue could do that anyway?? And secondly, you would have to use the Z button to fire, and like i said, its in a horrible position, and the other buttons would be no good because of the fact that you have to push them in so far.. (or would just be awkward even if you just have to press it in a little)
While Nintendo make great controllers, what they really need to do is make controllers that ARENT SPECIFIC TO THEIR GAMES. Their controllers are PERFECT for their First party games, but games that will be appearing on all consoles (such as the aforementioned TS2) I really have a hard time picturing. The XBox and PS2 controllers are great allround, you can program any game to work great on them easily, but i think Nintendo make their controllers specifically for their needs.
I dunno :)
You have to remember with the PS2 controller, just because you cant feel the buttons go down any further doesnt mean you cant press harder. The buttons have the perfect sensitivity so you dont get tired from holding it all the way down.
I just cant believe you dont like the pad, eh well, whatever floats your boat :)
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The wavebird 0wnx0r you all now!!!
j/k
but the Wavebird is now my favorite controller. The first wireless done 100% correct. Why can\'t M$ and Sony do it?
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Originally posted by Hawke
Winners use steering wheels :D
GT3 w/ pad = something I couldn\'t imagine myself doing ever again.
Winners who go money :p
$100 for the gt3 wheel is steep, i wonder if it will be compatable with gt4, and when will they drop the price
btw, my lap times with the pad arent anything to look down on :D
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They would be if you used a wheel... ;)
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Grand Valley in 1\' 21
would be faster if i had a wheel, i think i did the lap with a psone controller
+ alot more flying laps at almost all the tracks