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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: THX on June 16, 2002, 08:11:18 PM
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There are a dozen or so competing firms & designs over the new structure, but this is the first to go public. Pretty damn cool, but could use a lot of exterior work.
http://www.wtc2002.com/start.lasso
If this one will be built America will have the tallest building in the world again. That is if you counted the Petronas Towers (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structure/petronas_towers.html) in Malaysia. The Sears Tower\'s highest floor is 200 feet above Petrona\'s highest floor, but they add all this structuring on top so it\'s technically the tallest building. Kinda shifty is you ask me.
Cool security snippet from the 1st website:
Our Cyber City will have a State of the Art External Security System which at this stage evolves around "Sound Waves" which has the capacity at a specific frequency to repel flying objects up to a five mile circumference. We will seek support from the political system to bring about an edict that a "Five Mile No Fly Zone" area is put into effect around the island of Manhattan.
Hehe awesome. Sounds like a technology that would be in MGS3. :D
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So, they are trying to tell me that they can repel a 10 000 tonne Boeing 747 thats travelling in execess of 400 miles pre hour?
Sounds really dodgy.
Its ugly as hell too.
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Damn that looks tight. Very futuristic looking. They are adding a lot of security to it too. The building can withstand an attack from an object five mile in circumference. Wow. :D
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It really has the \'just look at me" feel to it, it looks bulky and ugly as hell
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I honestly think its asking for trouble being that tall. I mean, its taller then the first ones.
Sure, I am all for "Show the terrorists that you can\'t stop us" attitude, but its stupid to create something ten times bigger just for pride. What if more people perish?
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They should have just built a memorial.... Although this looks tight, (Reminds me of the DataDyne building from Perfect Dark for some reason), I dunno, who wants to work in WTC2?
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
They should have just built a memorial.... Although this looks tight, (Reminds me of the DataDyne building from Perfect Dark for some reason), I dunno, who wants to work in WTC2?
the land there is worth alot, its on manhattan island
who wants to work in wtc2? alot of people
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That building is friggin huge!
It\'s not as impressive as the twin towers because they just jut straight up, but that would be the most massive thing. I\'d want to go just to look at it.
An airliner could crash it and explode and I\'d bet hardly any of that building would be damaged. It\'s too huge.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Clowd
the land there is worth alot, its on manhattan island
who wants to work in wtc2? alot of people
But the fact of the matter is.... It\'s A BURIAL SITE. Thousands of people died there, and then you just plop another huge building on top of that? It\'s like sacred grounds man, and your talking about the value of the land?
Speaking of, anyone remember Poltergeist? ;)
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
Reminds me of the DataDyne building from Perfect Dark for some reason
Ahh, that game still rules :) Only the l33t (like me, you know) can beat it on Perfect Agent. Rah.
And I agree with you 100% on how it should be a burail site. Another building that\'s just as tall as the 1st could have the same results...we wouldn\'t want that. Of course, nothing is going to stop a 10 ton 747 Boeing Jetliner chalk full of fuel, what would? We just have to have better precautions at airlines, of course.
Build a memorial, a building has no point. Hell, build a baseball field there for all I care, just no new building that exceeds the limit of the sky again.
See Yuz.
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Yes, that\'s right, build a memorial. Down with progression. Who needs that when we have a memorial? I suppose we should tell all the people in Europe to move out of their homes and live someplace else so we can build a big memorial there since far more men, women, and children died there then in the WTC. :rolleyes:
People died, lives were lost, we as humans owe it to ourselves to learn from out mistakes and move on. You want a memorial, why not have both then? This building offers just that, progression and a way to remember the past. Why is that a bad idea again?
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Our Cyber City will have a State of the Art External Security System which at this stage evolves around "Sound Waves" which has the capacity at a specific frequency to repel flying objects up to a five mile circumference. We will seek support from the political system to bring about an edict that a "Five Mile No Fly Zone" area is put into effect around the island of Manhattan.
What about birds? :laughing:
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Originally posted by serrano007
What about birds? :laughing:
Hahahaha, LAMO.
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You have to build it. Or at least something. THey need office space down there. That\'s why the WTC were so big to begin with. These things are kind of strange looking, but I could difinitely get use to them. The stats are pretty sweet.I\'m all for building bigger. You can\'t puss out because of terrorists. What if we build something not so high? Well, you get less office space which is needed and big deal, they can just hit the empire state building, or the sears tower, etc...
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:eek:
That ... thing ... is damn fugly. It looks like something out of a 1950\'s no-budget sci-fi movie.
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It is quite nice looking, but does NOT fit in the NY skyline. I for one think they should be rebuilt almost exactly they way they were as a sign.
But the fact of the matter is.... It\'s A BURIAL SITE. Thousands of people died there, and then you just plop another huge building on top of that? It\'s like sacred grounds man, and your talking about the value of the land?
After all this is america..land of the almighty dollar. That land is some of the most expensive and valuable in the country. It simply cannot go unused. There is also ALOT of land there, so there is no reason to not have another world trade center and yet still have a nice large memorial. Plus ppl seem to forget the building itself could be considered the memorial.
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I like the idea of the bio dome with the plants. That\'s pretty cool. I think the building is pretty cool. I think it could use some tweaking, but you know when the WTC was proposed people though two big sticks in the sky would look terrible and they didn\'t. So you never know. You just get use to it.
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Man, that thing is horrible. I don;t know about you, but I think they\'d seriously have to redesign the way the thing looks. Get that crap out of my skyline.
They don\'t need to make it bigger, and they shouldn\'t make it bigger. Terrorists would not attack other buildings the same way. They targetted the World Trade center because it is a symbol of our economy, something we try to dominate the rest of the world with.
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I think we should just rebuild the Twin Towers. They have proved to withstand a 747. They wouldn\'t have collapsed if the fireproofing didn\'t burn off. If they use new technology, they won\'t come down.
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the building looks like its ready for take off. I think they need to put 20 anti aircraft guns on it, 3000 scud missles a big laser blaster and a force feild that generates a feild to go aroung the entire country... That would be cool ;)
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Just do the twin towers over again, but add 2 extra floors and put memorial stuff up there.
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Originally posted by Titan
I think we should just rebuild the Twin Towers.
That will never happen, people wont be able to take seeing the twin towers again
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Currently that looks pretty bad but maybe it would look right once built. Just remember thats just one proposel of many.
Oh, and to all the people that say just don\'t build anything. 50,000 people worked in that area so I would just kinda assume they need more work offices.
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Not to sound insensitive or anything, but at the same time that they lost offices for thousands, they also lost lives of thousands. Who is going to work in the new Towers? I would be all for just putting a memorial typse of thing there myself.
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50,000 people. Thats enough offices to where they have to build another tower in its place. They can\'t just all lose they\'re area. That would continue to hurt NYC and thats what the terrorist want.
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so much technology... IMO
I would like to see the towers, yes, again. That\'d be the result of the power of USA: "You\'re not destroying us, ******* bastard, here we go, there you are what you collapsed down".
That would be one of my best days. To see the same towers in the same place. It would be the symbol of the suceeding.
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Did you see the voting? 83% like the design. That\'s pretty darn good.
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Originally posted by Adan
so much technology... IMO
I would like to see the towers, yes, again. That\'d be the result of the power of USA: "You\'re not destroying us, ******* bastard, here we go, there you are what you collapsed down".
That would be one of my best days. To see the same towers in the same place. It would be the symbol of the suceeding.
i dont think the families could say the same
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Originally posted by Clowd
i dont think the families could say the same
Ok, you\'ve said it multiple times, we get the point.
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Oh no, he must engrave it into our heads until we are sick of it. Wait, hah, we already are. Nevermind.
New Design - good. "Clowd" - bad. See Yuz.
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I like the new design. Looks futuristic, but i do agree it might not blend well with the rest of the buildings. Oh well, people would get used to it.
About the whole build the building or build a memorial instead, why not just have the new building be named WTC Memorial Building. Alright, that was a crappy name but still, maybe something along that line. Then have a statue outside of the old WTC towers with a nice gold tribute sign by it. Meh, that\'s what i think.
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Originally posted by Clowd
i dont think the families could say the same
Tell me, did you lose people in the attacks? No, you didn\'t. I can tell by how you are treating it. Don\'t assume such things.
And by the way, your assumptions, from what I\'ve seen, are not correct.
And I\'m almost sure a design like that will never be implemented
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Building another structure would just instigate another attack. It\'s like "Haha! Look we just built another one!", and terrorists will just hit it again, maybe not with a plane but I\'m sure they\'ll figure a way to knock it down. There is no such thing as an invincible building. What it is is a giant bulls-eye and it will put people in danger again.
Ryu, I see where you coming from with Europe, however keep in mind... Europe has thousands upon thousands of memorials everywhere, from small villages, to the main squares in cities. Keep in mind we went through a much different situation. Medieval warfare/Holocaust and one sudden attack on one building are different. I hope you see what I\'m getting to because I\'m getting annoyed at myself for not explaining it better.
But I think rebuilding them would be the stupidest thing to do. And can anyone just guess how much it will cost?
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But I think rebuilding them would be the stupidest thing to do. And can anyone just guess how much it will cost?
They need 50,000 offices they have to build another. And how is any other skyscraper different from the WTC. You could say they\'re all asking to get hit but you just can\'t stop building them.
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Originally posted by Bozco
They need 50,000 offices they have to build another. And how is any other skyscraper different from the WTC. You could say they\'re all asking to get hit but you just can\'t stop building them.
No they don\'t, build a giant boat, bigger than the titanic, and stretch it across new York Harbor, there\'s your 50k offices.
"And how is any other skyscraper different from the WTC."
Size. Significance.
I\'m not saying "NO MORE BUILDINGS", I\'m basically saying why must we create a ridiculously sized skyscraper? 50,000 offices you say? Build a boat. The office boat. Hell, call it the World Trade Boat, and on Fridays office workers can wear hawaiin shirts and the boat can take a swing by the Florida Keys. I\'d work there.
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I think it\'s impossible to have an educated conversation concerning these towers. I really think we should get back to talking about soccer.
Woo hoo. GO USA. I LOVE SOCCER!!!
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Originally posted by Bozco
They need 50,000 offices they have to build another. And how is any other skyscraper different from the WTC. You could say they\'re all asking to get hit but you just can\'t stop building them.
The tower wasn\'t attacked for its size, it was attacked for what it stood for. It was a symbol of the US economy.
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How many here think al quada want to kill as many americans as possible, no matter who they are?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The tower wasn\'t attacked for its size, it was attacked for what it stood for. It was a symbol of the US economy.
Well then we need to put one back up for what it stood for, the plan is to make a memorial, and then start building the towers again, it makes sense, mourn the dead respect them with a memorial, most the people that died that day would of wanted to put the towers back up, so in there memory we need to put up a memorial, and put the some type of trade center back up, its called pride, fu*k terrorists.
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Originally posted by Clowd
How many here think al quada want to kill as many americans as possible, no matter who they are?
I don\'t
Originally posted by mjps21983
Well then we need to put one back up for what it stood for, the plan is to make a memorial, and then start building the towers again, it makes sense, mourn the dead respect them with a memorial, most the people that died that day would of wanted to put the towers back up, so in there memory we need to put up a memorial, and put the some type of trade center back up, its called pride, fu*k terrorists.
Why not ask those who worked there and survived what they think should be done?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Why not ask those who worked there and survived what they think should be done?
I do, and why not? they don\'t give a sh!t about us because, they think we don\'t give a sh!t about them, and we impoverish, and kill two million iraqis, yadda yadda yadda!!!
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You quoted the wrong thing :)
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Nevermind THAT thought. Sorry, I"m seeing red with this Clowd guy, it\'s amazing. Stupid computer :P
Anyway, Don\'t rebuild the towers, Go Memorial!
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You quoted the wrong thing :)
sorry!!!
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I love that new design and I can see it fitting in perfectly...I think it should be built and dedicated or in remembrance of the original WTC.
We must move on as dwelling on the subject would do harm...but I do suspect there would be a memorial, or something as to show respect, implemented into the building.
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For those of you who say it wouldt fit into the New York skyline...
Do you remember scince fiction books and movies of today describing futuristic looking cities that consisted much of what this building is going to look like?
I do, and i am excited for the future. But if we just sat back and just tried to match our technology of today then our technology would not move forward. Maybe it looks odd now, but who\'s saying this isnt the first building to revolutionize a leap forward in technology in North America. In hundreds of years the whole city could look like this building looks like.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Anyway, Don\'t rebuild the towers, Go Memorial!
See Yuz.
You can\'t make money off of a memorial. Aren\'t you forgetting that we need a new place for world trade and financial trading? What\'s what the Twin Towers were for. I think we should just rebuild them to show that we won\'t take no crap from no terrorists. They already proved that they could withstand a 747.
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Proved it by...falling down.
Something should be built, yes. Maybe another WTC type building, but it has to be a memorial, too. This building does that, but I just don\'t see the point of building another target for the terrorists. The WTC Was a symbol of our economy, that\'s why they went after it. Just doens\'t seem logical to me as to why they would build something just like the WTC.
See Yuz.
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ive finally seen it, it looks more durable then the previous wtc, what are the odds of these plans becoming realized?
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Just doens\'t seem logical to me as to why they would build something just like the WTC.
Say we don\'t build it, they\'ll find something else...
There are buildings that can withstand earthquakes and what not...I\'m sure with today\'s technology and a damn good motive to use it, that building could withstand just about anything.
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Yes, probably so, but as I looked at this, this will also be an Apartment of sorts in the middle of Manhattan. I don\'t think it would we wise to have Financial things, and a residential area in the same spot...you get something else like 9/11 that happens, and there\'s more life that is lost unecessarily. Then again, what are the odds of something like that happening again? :P
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Yes, probably so, but as I looked at this, this will also be an Apartment of sorts in the middle of Manhattan. I don\'t think it would we wise to have Financial things, and a residential area in the same spot...you get something else like 9/11 that happens, and there\'s more life that is lost unecessarily. Then again, what are the odds of something like that happening again? :P
See Yuz.
I agree. There will be more casualties. Also, this building would ruin the New York skyline. Just rebuild them and stick a memorial in there.
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Who is the idiot that said office boat? That would be even more vunerable(sp?)
Either way it goes..the WTC needs..no HAS to be rebuilt, the reprecussions are obvious. They didnt hit it to take out ppl, they did it on a much larger scale which has taken in to effect, OUR ECONOMY!!!!! Size had nothing to do with it as far as structures, otherwise they could have hit the Sears Tower..Empire state building...John Honcock building..standard oil building..Trans-Americabuilding..etc..etc..etc...
I don\'t see why it is so hard to please you memorial people. It\'s not like a building AND a memorial cannot be done at the same time. Have you that believe otherwise actually seen that land??? No, I don\'t mean media pix either. The property the WTC towers stood on was VERY large, more than enough to accomedate(sp?) a memorial AND another large skyscraper or two.
Either way it goes, NYC HAS to rebuild another large building to take care of business, not just to say "look, you cant stop us" but to continue our usually properous economy. No way around it, the offices are needed, and there is no other feasible location for them to go.
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The boat idea actually isn\'t that bad luckee. And with battleships that are presently surrounding the New York Harbor, I think it wouldn\'t be vulnerable at all. But a building that stretches thousands of feet in the air is just asking to be taken down.
World Trade Boat... Hehe...
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The amount of space required to make up for the towers would be incredible. Besides, who would honestly want an office on a boat? People would get sea sick.
It\'s also easier to sink a boat than to blow up a building. I can see someone trying to sneak a bomb into the thing already. Or getting into a boat with some explosives and ramming the thing.
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Haha... I know, I was kidding with the boat at first and then my twisted mind actually tried to place it in reality.
Regardless we\'ll always be in danger no matter what.
*Sails away in boat*
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I can see it now. Within a few pages, people in this thread will be talking about World Trade Truck.
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World Trade Bus !!!!!!
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....World Trade Hovercraft?
Ya never know, it might work :)
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
....World Trade Hovercraft?
Ya never know, it might work :)
See Yuz.
Or the World Trade Blimp would be fat, equip it with countermeasures and a missile defense system and it would be unstoppable. Like some flying fortress in sci-fi films and crap! Das vould be dah shlt!1!!!!
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World Trade Website
No need to go into work somewhere at all :)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The tower wasn\'t attacked for its size, it was attacked for what it stood for. It was a symbol of the US economy.
This is also true but it doesn\'t stop them from just changing to another target.
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Originally posted by luckee
Who is the idiot that said office boat? That would be even more vunerable(sp?)
Either way it goes..the WTC needs..no HAS to be rebuilt, the reprecussions are obvious. They didnt hit it to take out ppl, they did it on a much larger scale which has taken in to effect, OUR ECONOMY!!!!! Size had nothing to do with it as far as structures, otherwise they could have hit the Sears Tower..Empire state building...John Honcock building..standard oil building..Trans-Americabuilding..etc..etc..etc...
I don\'t see why it is so hard to please you memorial people. It\'s not like a building AND a memorial cannot be done at the same time. Have you that believe otherwise actually seen that land??? No, I don\'t mean media pix either. The property the WTC towers stood on was VERY large, more than enough to accomedate(sp?) a memorial AND another large skyscraper or two.
Either way it goes, NYC HAS to rebuild another large building to take care of business, not just to say "look, you cant stop us" but to continue our usually properous economy. No way around it, the offices are needed, and there is no other feasible location for them to go.
I agree with you 100% luckee. You made some very good points that I have been trying to point out. We need a new place for world trade and no matter where it is, they would be a target. If they were in Indonesia, terrorists would still take it down (or attempt). We have the technology to rebuild the Twin Towers to withstand a 747 hit. We should just go ahead and do it. It would be a new symbol. A symbol of hope, a symbol that we will not take this attack standing down. A symbol that we are united. And finally, a symbol of world trade. I don\'t think we should just replace it with anything. Then it won\'t be a symbol of what I just said. It will just be a symbol of world trade. It will just be a new building in Manhatten with a memorial.
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It\'s looks kind of bulky and out of place. I certainly hope that building won\'t have that green tint when finished. Looks very ugly with those grey buildings around it... This building should either be black or grey, just to match the other buildings.
We wouldn\'t want a green bulky thing sticking out of our beautiful city now, would we? Hopefully, this concept will evolve into a much more sleeker building.
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The architecture is that of a Chinese temple or something.
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I think they should just design it so it looks like a giant ass....then again that might be just asking for a plane right up the asshole.
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Originally posted by theomen
I think they should just design it so it looks like a giant ass....then again that might be just asking for a plane right up the asshole.
:laughing: Beats working in the World Trade Boat! :rolleyes: :laughing: