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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: LMNt on June 16, 2002, 09:01:00 PM
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etc... to fail?
Isn\'t competition good? Think of it as quality control. If your the only thing out there, then why try harder? You can become complacent, and not fear anything, because what else are the people going to turn to, if your the only thing?
I hope Xbox, Nintendo, and Sony, all do very, very well. That can only lead to better, and better games.
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Its called product loyalty. I don\'t agree with it, but many people love a certain system because thats what their used too.
Like Nintendo, lotsa people grew up with Nintendo, so they are loyal to the company. Its not about whether one is better then the other, its just loyalty.
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I want the x box to fail because it will teach m$ a lesson, that they just cant buy into any business they want
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Originally posted by Clowd
I want the x box to fail because it will teach m$ a lesson, that they just cant buy into any business they want
:rolleyes:
Cliche\', that is what your statement is. Has MS tried to buy into this business? No. They done the same thing Sony did close to eight years ago, they entered the market new. NO buying anything, \'cept for Bungie and it is common business to buy a developer and make them first party. There may be controvsery on how they conduct business in the PC market, but so far in the gaming industry they have played fair - therefor you have no reason to whine and complain about them buying into "any business they want".
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$500,000,000 of advertisements, buying out devs, thats my definition of trying to buy someone out.
whats yours?
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$500,000,000 of advertisements, buying out devs, thats my definition of trying to buy someone out.
Speaking in that sense, Sony is just as guilty...but neither one of them is doing anything wrong. It\'s business plain and simple...
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I actually think that Sony was worse in this way years ago. I don\'t know why you\'re complaining so much about X-box doing it now.
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if there was one system developers game quality would go down. Monopolies are bad.
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Originally posted by Clowd
$500,000,000 of advertisements, buying out devs, thats my definition of trying to buy someone out.
whats yours?
Let me get this straight....When a company advirtise\'s its product, that is considered buying the business out? Damn, thanks for telling me that. Also when a company buys out another developer - that is buying out the business? Well ****, I guess Sony and every other hardware manufactor is guilty of the same thing. Come on Clowd, use common sense for once. Every company has bought out a couple developers to use as first party or second party resources and using advertisements to sell something is far from buying any industry out - infact its called ...."marketing"...Well, damn.
Then again, this is from the guy who posted once on how the industry should just have Sony in it and we\'d all be so much better off.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Clowd
$500,000,000 of advertisements, buying out devs, thats my definition of trying to buy someone out.
whats yours?
How dare they try to run a bussiness. HOW DARE THEY!!!!
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Originally posted by LMNt
How dare they try to run a bussiness. HOW DARE THEY!!!!
are we trying to deny M$ isnt using its fortune to aid it in the console war?
if sega had that kind of money the dc would be around alot longer then it was
that is what i meant by buying into the industry
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Originally posted by Clowd
are we trying to deny M$ isnt using its fortune to aid it in the console war?
if sega had that kind of money the dc would be around alot longer then it was
that is what i meant by buying into the industry
So, let me get this straight - MS should deny itself the money that they have earned in another industry , to be succesful in the industry? So, by those means Sony shouldn\'t of used its multi-billion dollars to leverage itself as a succesful company in the gaming industry also? Wait, before you go complaining that MS is using all is money on ad\'s and what not - you need to step back and remember when the PSX was just coming out, Sony killed everyone with U R NotE ads, not to mention Toshiden ads with Sophia . Or how about Sony signing developers and what not?
As for your comment about money being the reason the DC died, you are half right , still uninformed (as usual). Sega dug themselves into a massive debt with the Sega CD, 32X and then the Saturn - one that they couldn\'t get out of even with the DC, which was succesful until Sony came around with the hype machine known as the PS2. It wasn\'t just a matter of money .
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
So, let me get this straight - MS should deny itself the money that they have earned in another industry , to be succesful in the industry?
i dont like companies, sports teams etc who use money to be succesful in any industry
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Originally posted by Clowd
i dont like companies, sports teams etc who use money to be succesful in any industry
Then you have a problem dealing with the reality of business and that is to be the best. How do you become the best? By using all your resources and then. If you\'re a company like MS, entering into a market and you have plenty of resources, it would be foolish not to use them. Also, while you say you don\'t like companies who use their money to get into the industry you keep ignoring the fact that Sony did the exact same thing MS is doing. My point? Quit complaining that MS is using unfair business tactics in this industry, when infact they are everything fair and have not done anything so far that Sony (your favorite company) hasn\'t done in the past.
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To sum it all up...if things worked the way you think they should, we\'d be talking about the console wars between Dreamcast and Gamecube. No X-Box, no PS2. Both were larger companies that entered the videogaming market with far more money than Nintendo or Sega, and tried to use it to their advantage. There is no difference, except for maybe the fact that Sony was even worse when they did it, IMO.
And yes, when you just ignore facts like that, even when people keep pointing them out to you, it destroys your credibility.
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Clowd, give it a rest. I think that Living-In-Clip has already showed you that you just have an irrational fear and hatred of Microsoft. Why don\'t you grow up and actually listen to other people\'s arguments.
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Since when has clowd had credibility?
LiC and LMNt have said it all (although I\'m not convinced Sony was worse, it\'s just business and it\'s all the same).
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Clowd...
How do you feel about Sony blackmailing retailers to display their products at the front of the store while the competition was in some corner? If the store didn\'t comply, they would not receive any PS2 shipments?
I\'d love to see how you defend Sony on this.
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It is all about the games for me. If the developers cannot produce good games....i would wish for them to fail.
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Like when Bbleem! for Dreamcast was coming out, Sony told retailers if they carried it, their PS2 shipments would be "late" so to speak.
They also told EB and such to not advertise or hype the XBox just like they did a year earlier with PS2 or they would miss out on shipments or games.
When Sony plays dirty, they can be just as bad as MS or worse. clowd, make reasonable arguments. IIRC, Sony spent 125million on PSX\'s launch, which was a TON of money back then for the game market, they also snatched up Psygnosis, Verant, Naughty Dog, and a couple others.
It seems Sega was too nice to retailers, or they just didn\'t hold ANY weight.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Ashford
Clowd...
How do you feel about Sony blackmailing retailers to display their products at the front of the store while the competition was in some corner? If the store didn\'t comply, they would not receive any PS2 shipments?
I\'d love to see how you defend Sony on this.
They didnt use money in this scenario, so I dont care.
Sony snatched up devolopers? Who said the developers didnt want to join Sony? Maybe they didnt want to develop for the cartridge or the sega machine of that time? sort of like how odd world devs didnt want to develop for ps2 out of pure laziness
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Take off your goggles man, LOLOL!!
to retailers, systems = money. Don\'t you get it? Sony is about as clean as a trailer park girl on prom night.
I have come to the final conclusion regarding clowd, he is a fucking \'tard.
Eric Jacob
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Everyone advertises, it\'s purely competition.
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noone makes money on hardware sales, not even retailers
its charging $54.99 for xbox games that fill thier coffers
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I would like to see MS fall flat on its face with the xbox because the sooner their stranglehold on the computing industry ends, the better.
Originally posted by AlteredBeast
I have come to the final conclusion regarding clowd, he is a fucking \'tard.
Eric Jacob
By making a statement such as that, me thinks you\'d have to look up to even see clowd
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what am I doing here? 0_o
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Originally posted by Heretic
I would like to see MS fall flat on its face with the xbox because the sooner their stranglehold on the computing industry ends, the better.
Even if Xbox fails, MS won\'t be hurting that much.
By making a statement such as that, me thinks you\'d have to look up to even see clowd [/B]
I actually agree with Heretic(Never. Happened. Before.), name calling is for lamers and trolls. Besides that, it\'s too easy. I figured that Altered could do much better, and probably achieve a higher insult...disappointed
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Heretic is a moron, too. Anyone who can defend the turd known as clowd has to be a \'tard.
I am glad you wanna MS fail, seeing as they have PERSONALLY hurt you several times before, I believe you are validated. Although them failing in the videogame hardly hurts them in the PC realm. You don\'t think they add a billion dollars a month in real money because of videogames, do you?!!? :lol:
Eric Jacob
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no, whenever they need cash, they just release yet another ****ty OS and watch as the suckers buy it up
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Originally posted by Ginko
I actually agree with Heretic(Never. Happened. Before.), name calling is for lamers and trolls. Besides that, it\'s too easy. I figured that Altered could do much better, and probably achieve a higher insult...disappointed
Finally, someone who sees things like I do.
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why do someone want a system to fail? Like it was said earlier its loytalty. Its also the person may be basied against that company or something.
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Originally posted by rastalant
why do someone want a system to fail? Like it was said earlier its loytalty. Its also the person may be basied against that company or something.
Do you want the alcida(sp? Osama\'s terrorist) to succeed? Didn\'t think so, and they arent, USA is 10 steps ahead of them!
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
Do you want the alcida(sp? Osama\'s terrorist) to succeed? Didn\'t think so, and they arent, USA is 10 steps ahead of them!
I see what your saying. Yes billy i want those guys to fail and not suceed there a bunch of cowards.
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Why are we comparing game companies to terrorists?
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Originally posted by Ashford
Why are we comparing game companies to terrorists?
because they are alike in may ways!
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\'Splain...
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
because they are alike in may ways!
Uh...yeah...Killing people, stealing freedom, and suppressing women is just like The Xbox. Sure. Logical. I see so clearly now. Thanks.
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People like what they like. People only want X-Box to fail because if it doesn\'t it could cause the PS2 to fail. Sure maybe their is room for 3 consoles but I seriously doubt it. One\'s probaly going to fail, I just dont want it to be the one I poured 2 weeks worth of paychecks into already.
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if it doesn\'t it could cause the PS2 to fail
fail? after selling 35 million+ units?
xbox has barely sold 1/10th of that
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Ps2 has been out longer, and X-Box is heating up now with some good exclusives and better game selection.... not to mention Sega supporting them with some of their best titles. Of course it will be hard to save their Japanese market (which is very laughable). Oh and BTW I am a PS2 owner, just so you know I am not some X-Box fanboy. I just hate these console pissing contests, buy what you think is better for you and not someone else.
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hopefully, sega\'s furture ventures will be better then JGRF and Gunvalkyrie cause its gonna take a hell of a lot more than that
being that PS2 came out 1st is a moot point
no excuse for a two year old console to be completely dominating
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Originally posted by Speed Demon
People like what they like. People only want X-Box to fail because if it doesn\'t it could cause the PS2 to fail. Sure maybe their is room for 3 consoles but I seriously doubt it. One\'s probaly going to fail, I just dont want it to be the one I poured 2 weeks worth of paychecks into already.
Hmmm....
Originally posted by mm
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if it doesn\'t it could cause the PS2 to fail
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fail? after selling 35 million+ units?
xbox has barely sold 1/10th of that
Hey wow, mm proves Speed Demons point!
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Originally posted by mm
being that PS2 came out 1st is a moot point
no excuse for a two year old console to be completely dominating
Actually, there is. Never heard of "hypestation?" It ran true for about a year after PS2 came out. As a DC fan you should know this.
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yeah, they sold over 500k "hypestations" in a few days and couldnt make them fast enough for the next 3 months
the PS2 came out, my beloved DC died
:(
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no excuse for a two year old console to be completely dominating
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**** mm, I hope I don\'t even have to contest this statement. This has no weight, and you know it.
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plenty of weight
when a new faster car comes out thats the same price as a two year old car, which sells better?
look, i dont want to get into yet another xbox vs PS2 debate
there both fine consoles, i just feel that xbox will never reach its potential and is not a threat to PS2
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And I would agree with that, but knocking xbox because it hasn\'t outsold PS2 isn\'t fair.
The people who buy consoles aren\'t informed. There are more things that go into a decision when buying a console than which is the best deal for your money. Most of which have nothing to do with quality.
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People, just buy the console for the games...if MS can get 3 top japanese RPG translated to the XBOX tomorrow, I\'ll be first in the line to buy one.
All consoles is a piece of useless silicon/plastic/metal/rubber junk without the games.
Software rules. Hardware sucks.
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I was loyal to Sony until a few months ago when I thought ....Why ? ....Why do I need to limit myself to just one console and miss out on many other good games just because they were on another console ? Its just plain stupid....
My options were the GC ,Xbox or upgrading my PC....The style of game on the GC didn\'t really interest me... I wanted to play the more PC styled games and did not want to spend heaps on upgrading my PC ,so I bought an Xbox .
At the moment I only have Halo ( which is pretty cool) and still play my PS2 way more then the Xbox ,but that doesn\'t bother me because there are heaps of very cool games coming soon for the Xbox (we\'re a little behind here in Australia ) and I know that I will spend alot of time playing these games as well as the PS2 games.....
Dont buy into the hype that the Xbox is no good just because its made by Microsoft.... If you can afford more then 1 console ,get another one ...It will open up alot more games for you to play ,and alot more fun to be had .... And thats what its all about anyway isn\'t it ?
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All Australians are losers :evil:
And Watchdog, I believe mm is referring mainly to current sales rather than which console has the most sales. PS2 is still far outselling XBox.
Or at least thats what he implied by his car analogy.
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Yeah, I know Bob.
I was saying that people are buying the PS2 not because it\'s superior but because of name recognition. People buy what they\'re comfortable and familiar with.
If Coke came out with a car, I am certain that it would not out sell Gm, Honda, Ford, etc, regardless of the quality.
MS knows this and has repeatedly stated this. It\'s going to take time for MS to get a foothold in this industry. MS is patiently looking to the furture, their online plans suggest this.
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I know watchy.. i mis-interpretted your statement :)
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MS is patiently looking to the furture
yeah, and going thru cash like water
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Yeah, they are, it\'s good to know that they are serious.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Yeah, they are, it\'s good to know that they are serious.
Hey look, it\'s another spin. :rolleyes:
M$ losing money turns into good thing they\'re spending it, now we know they care.:rolleyes:
I respect M$ in all of they\'re achievements, and I look foward to all of X-Boxes great games, but let\'s face it, X-Box was M$ biggest failure since Windows ME. Watchdog is aparantly too blind to see this.
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Why is xbox a failure? It\'s outselling GC. Is GC a failure too? What constitutes a failure?
And it\'s not a spin. DC is no more because Sega didn\'t have the cash, they ran out of money.
It is a good thing that MS is willing to invest in xbox and the brand because that sends a message that they are serious, and all the people that bought their system will know that it isn\'t going the way of the DC anytime soon.
You think it would be better if MS refused to spend another dime on anything xbox related? Do you think that would make developers and owners happy? Do you think before you post?
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
All Australians are losers :evil:
You had better be Australian otherwise ,thats just plain racist and nasty....... And if you are Australian then "Speak for yourself " .... :laughing: As I know for a fact that there are at least 3 Australians that are not losers:laughing:
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*is Australian*
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Thats alright then ....I\'ll let you off this time ..... :)
Lucky.....I was getting ready to open up a can of woop-ass on ya................. ;) "mmmmmm ...can of woop-ass.....":nerd: :p
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DC is no more because Sega didn\'t have the cash, they ran out of money. - WatchDog
Well, not quite. Sega had the money to push the Dreamcast throught the rest of it\'s life cycle. The problem is, it would have been tapping the coffers of what they\'d need to produce another next generation system. Without that money there, they couldn\'t put out another Ace quality product like the Dreamcast.. and with developer and consumer confidence slipping ever farther away from them, they decided to just bow out gracefully and use the money to make a fresh start. I still think that Sega could have made it.. it would have been extreemly tough and taken some top notch company leadership.. but I there was a chance. Sega (and their shareholders) jus didn\'t want to risk it tho, considering their track record. So now, the DC\'s dead.
*Breaks down in Tears*
Anyhow, I ain\'t gonna deny that I have a bias against Microsoft. I don\'t like them as a company for the chit they\'ve pulled in the PC market.. and I still think they have an ulterior motive in the games industry. (As does Sony tho..) It\'s not going to stop me from eventually buying an Xbox tho. It\'s the games that matter.. and if my bias won\'t allow me to send more money to MS, then I\'ll simply buy my Xbox games and hardware second hand.
Hah, after all.. I still loath Nintnedo for the dirty tricks they played against Sega in the 8 bit days.. and for always cowing over to congress whenever violence in videogames became an issue... but that dosen\'t stop me from having an NES, SNES, N64, GB, GBA, and soon to be a NGC now does it?
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Yeah, they are, it\'s good to know that they are serious
please dont confuse "serious" with "relentless"
m$ doesnt want another winME on thier hands
thier not worried, they\'re gonna rape the online community to recoup the money
oooops, im sorry watch, yer gonna be one of those saps
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Sega is still on debt, there was no money left in the coffers.
That\'s your point of view mm, and as was already established, it\'s a cynic\'s viewpoint.
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yes, cynical can also mean realist
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Originally posted by Ablett
You had better be Australian otherwise ,thats just plain racist and nasty....... And if you are Australian then "Speak for yourself " .... :laughing: As I know for a fact that there are at least 3 Australians that are not losers:laughing:
Australians are a race?
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Originally posted by SonyFan
but that dosen\'t stop me from having an NES, SNES, N64, GB, GBA, and soon to be a NGC now does it?
HeHe... soon to be a NGC
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is there an echo in here?
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I was saying that people are buying the PS2 not because it\'s superior but because of name recognition. People buy what they\'re comfortable and familiar with.
Then why would Nintendo be doing worse then Sony and Microsoft when they have the most well known name when it comes to Consoles.
I think as some people suggested it has more to do with games... the PS2 has so many more games then the other systems that it makes more sense to go with that system. Thats why it sells more on a daily basis then X-Box and Gamecube together... even now when its an \'out-dated\' system...