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"It\'s a good thing it missed the Earth, because we never saw it coming," Steve Maran of the American Astronomical Society said in a telephone interview. "The asteroid wasn\'t discovered until three days after it passed its closest approach to our planet."
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We can\'t do a damn thing. Can\'t predict Hurricanes, tornados, the weather in general. We can\'t even see a freaking rock flying at our freaking planet.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=2IL0AW0PUTIU4CRBAEKSFFAKEEATIIWD?type=topnews&StoryID=1116548
This makes me think, where would be a good place for something like that to hit the earth?
Besides the obvious, Australia...:D
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wow..i read about it today.. so how close was it to us??? i heard it was the size of a football pitch... but after going through our atmosphere it would be much smaller.......
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It came 100,000 km from the earth , 1/3 the distance to moon...
yikes.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
It came 100,000 km from the earth , 1/3 the distance to moon...
yikes.
damn thats close..........make you feel safe how they noticed it 3 days after though
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It doesn\'t matter the place where an asteroid hits the earth. If it\'s larger than 6 kms... bye bye guys. A rock like that would kill all vegetables, animals and mankind in few weeks. The end of our history. But take it easy. We\'ve Bruce Willis to fly up there and insert 3 atomic-bombs inside the rock.
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well it wasnt that big. the size of a football pitch i heard
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I can assure you no asteroids large enough to destroy mankind will ever hit earth.
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Originally posted by Clowd
I can assure you no asteroids large enough to destroy mankind will ever hit earth.
how can you assure me??
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The chances of that happening are 1% in the next 100 years. Also, take my word for it, dont listen to statistics scientists put out.
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Originally posted by Clowd
I can assure you no asteroids large enough to destroy mankind will ever hit earth.
Yes, it seems that scientists have discovered few weeks ago that dinossaurs didn\'t dissapear due to a rock, it was a worm\'s fart the cause.
:rolleyes:
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laughing out loud, it wasnt until a few weeks ago scientists figured out what I knew for years now, dinosaurs died in a flood, the real reason how dinosaurs died. Believe everything they say, ok, we came from an ape?
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Originally posted by Clowd
we came from an ape?
Neither, we came from GOD\'s hands (directly).
Don\'t be stupid Clowd.
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Originally posted by Adan
Neither, we came from GOD\'s hands (directly).
Don\'t be stupid Clowd.
Are you an evolutionist or creationist?
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:eek:
i think i wet my pants
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Originally posted by Clowd
Are you an evolutionist or creationist?
Evolutionist, for sure. I don\'t believe in creating persons with mud, sorry.
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I hope this doesn\'t become a "Religion is better than Science" thread. You know how big those become.
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Originally posted by Adan
Evolutionist, for sure. I don\'t believe in creating persons with mud, sorry.
You prefer volcanic rock, or sulpher pool water?
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pardon? I didn\'t understand that.
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Your an evolutionist but you dont know a thing about it. You probably know nothing about creation, either.
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yea he has you there. Me, im a mix, i believe there is a god but i also believe in some of the views of an evolutionist.
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Originally posted by Clowd
You probably know nothing about creation, either.
Isn\'t that the part where the man inserts his penis into...... oh wait, that\'s a whole other story.
BTW, would you please write with the normal white text? The blue colour makes it hard to read.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Your an evolutionist but you dont know a thing about it. You probably know nothing about creation, either.
Either that, or he\'s treating you arrogance with humor, and you are too blind to realize that. Don\'t judge people so quickly, I\'m sure he knows plenty.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Your an evolutionist but you dont know a thing about it. You probably know nothing about creation, either.
If you referred to the beginning of the life, I\'d say sulpher pool. A ray combined with minerals in water has provoked real life in laboratories... did you know?
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Originally posted by Adan
If you referred to the beginning of the life, I\'d say sulpher pool. A ray combined with minerals in water has provoked real life in laboratories... did you know?
Sulpher pool, that is so much better then dust.
Life? Explain what \'life\' it provoked.
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Let\'s not forget that bacteria could have been "imported" to Earth from outer space. Those \'lil buggers are known to be really tough and can survive in, say, stone for millions of years. Astroroid anyone?
And Clowd, don\'t be so quick to "outsmart" another person. He could just turn the tables around and question YOU about how life evolved - say how your precious dust could create life?
But of course, you\'re on the easy end. "God is all powerful". Gotta love that.
*waits for this thread to become 200 pages long*
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Turn the tables on me, if you want, I got answers, unlike evolutionists
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Originally posted by Clowd
Turn the tables on me, if you want, I got answers, unlike evolutionists
Please enlighten me with your wisdom. I\'d love to hear that - I\'m sure you can prove it all too.
I\'ll be back in 30 mins (Simpsons is on now).
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Originally posted by Samwise
I\'ll be back in 30 mins (Simpsons is on now).
Lucky bastard...
And yes Clowd, show me some of your unlimited knowledge on creationism. I could use a good laugh. (And a boost to my post count)
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Firstly, I must say Clowd that I don\'t know you a lot, so I don\'t know if you\'re a devout person. I don\'t believe in GOD, nor angels, nor virgins...
Originally posted by Clowd
Life? Explain what \'life\' it provoked.
Italian Scientists discovered and made ARN in laboratories with only the help of water, minerals, and electricity. I can\'t remember the source, but if I find it, i\'ll give you it. ARN is the base of animal and vegetal life. Meanwhile, I believe that nobody can create the so-called life with dust (IMO).
Samwise, that\'s a possibility, sure.
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My knowledge of it is near unlimited, but Im yet to hear a question from anyone
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Originally posted by Adan
Italian Scientists discovered and made ARN in laboratories with only the help of water, minerals, and electricity. I can\'t remember the source, but if I find it, i\'ll give you it. ARN is the base of animal and vegetal life. Meanwhile, I believe that nobody can create the so-called life with dust (IMO).
You must be talking about that scientist who made that brown stuff inside a sphere, thats not life if that is what your referring to
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Originally posted by Clowd
My knowledge of it is near unlimited, but Im yet to hear a question from anyone
We did\'t ask you to answer our questions, we asked you to post your views...so far all you have come up with is ignorant nonsense.
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nah... brown stuff? I don\'t think they created 1 kg of RNA (I don\'t exactly how it\'s spealling in english). That\'s real, I\'m not lying, it was a real project that proved that the life was 90% probably created by cassuality, long time ago. Notice that life in the heart is almost a miracle of nature.
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Originally posted by Kimahri
We did\'t ask you to answer our questions, we asked you to post your views...so far all you have come up with is ignorant nonsense.
Yes, yet again. Clowd never fails in posting absolutely nothing.
You have the answers Clowd and nearly unlimited wisdom. ENLIGTHEN US LOWER BEINGS FFS!
And Simpsons was cancelled due to a longer-than-usual episode of Seinfeld. :(
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Originally posted by Kimahri
We did\'t ask you to answer our questions, we asked you to post your views...so far all you have come up with is ignorant nonsense.
All I have come up with yet is ignorant nonsense? I havent have a clue what you are talking about
Do you want me to start with proving creation or making evolution look like a joke that it is?
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Yes Clowd, tell us then where the life came from in your opinion. I\'m impatient!
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Originally posted by Samwise
Yes, yet again. Clowd never fails in posting absolutely nothing.
You have the answers Clowd and nearly unlimited wisdom. ENLIGTHEN US LOWER BEINGS FFS!
And Simpsons was cancelled due to a longer-than-usual episode of Seinfeld. :(
Yes Clowd, quickly! And thank you. It\'s amazing that someone as great an all-knowing as you takes time out of his busy and significant life to deal with us ignorant fools! :rolleyes:
And about that Simpsons...sorry man, that really sucks :(
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Originally posted by Clowd
Do you want me to start with proving creation or making evolution look like a joke that it is?
Do both, for one super interesting and incredible post!
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Originally posted by Clowd
Do you want me to start with proving creation
Yes thank you, still waiting here.
EDIT: Perhaps we should save this thread when he\'s done, because he\'ll revolutionize the entire known world - he\'ll PROVE creation! Ready? Set? Go Einstein!
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I agree Samwise, we should warn NASA to follow the thread and the genius... who knows? Clowd may be you\'re working tomorrow in some department :D
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Go on Clowd, Im dying to know.. *waits*
:fro:
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I think we scared him off (he\'s not online anymore) :(. Or perhaps he\'s just getting backup. :D
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Hmm, how about "I created the universe and you are all wrong".
Wonder what that will spark. See Yuz.
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Cloooowd.. Clowd? Clow-wwd..
You know you’re not going to look very good if you don’t stand up and defend yourself.
:p
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The Genesis account says it all.
God created men in his image.
What did he use? Materials from the earth.
Tell me, do you actually think the human eye evolved to what it is today?
Tell me, if animals and humans evolved limbs, why havent any incomplete skeletons been found?
Why dont they evolve today?
Some use the example of the white moth evolving to black color to match a black tree. This is not true. What you are witnessing is variety, humans come in all shapes and sizes and colors
Tell me, how was a man who lived 5000 years (Moses) ago able to record how the earth was created from when light came upon the earth, to which animals appeared, etc?
Lets look at the universe. Even though there are billions of stars, they arent just scattered everywhere, they are in groups, like grapes
The atom, its structure is similiar to the solar system, in how the planets revolve around a central point, did this evolve exactly like how the solar system does it? No
The giraffe. Its long neck requires its heart to pump blood extra hard to get the head. But what happens when the giraffe bends over to drink? The blood would come rushing to its brain and kill it because of the extra force. NO this doesnt happen because the giraffe has a special mechanism in its heart that no other animal has that stops fast blood flow from killing it when it bends over. Oh i guess the girrafes saw that too many were dying from drinking so they decided to evolve this away
Birds, when they are born they have sort of a gps in them that helps them fly 1000 mile journeys from birth, no parent needed, other animals know certain traits from birth too
The wood pecker, its long tongue wraps behind its skull so it dont chock on it in its mouth, evolution? NO
Ape man, absolutly NO evidence to support this pure THEORY, its just pure imagination
How the dinosaurs died, scientists just now figured it out, the flood
And again, it is absurd to think the human body evolved from a fish (you evolutionist should know that is where they think caveman came from
Its also been proven that cells can come from ONLY OTHER LIVING CELLS HOW SOME RNA AND PROTEIN GOT TOGETHER AND WENT KABOOM AND MADE A CELL I DONT KNOW, THATS EVOLUTION FOR YA
While man said earth rested on a turtled, the bible said earth hands upon NOTHING, no columbus needed
Ill get into the left hand right hand thing a little, to put it simply if there were 10000 pills on the table with 5000 white and 5000 red, what are the odds of getting only 30 red everytime? Ill explain this more in detail if you want but thats the odds of the left hand right hand factor, but for some reason, all are left handed, what are the odds of them being that? divine intervention
you should know about the earth being just far enough from the sun
evolutionists say life started with fish, and some HOW SOME WAY THE FISH DECIDED TO GROW LEGS AND WALK ON LAND, LAUGHING OUT LOUD CREATION IS FUNNY?!!? THIS STUFF IS IN YOUR FACE COMEDY
I will post more in a bit im tired now
This is just the tip of the iceberg, I got all this out of my mind, ill have to go look up more
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Originally posted by Clowd
The chances of that happening are 1% in the next 100 years. Also, take my word for it, dont listen to statistics scientists put out.
You do realize that 1% of 100 years would mean that a whole year there is 100% chance of the asteroid hitting us.
Hmmm.. That kind of sucks..
I was wondering why this thread blew up so fast. Damn creationist people. Bunch of losers.
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A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.
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Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
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n.
A stupid person; a dolt.
Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
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I\'ll argue with you more in a bit, but you went and proved nothing there. We told you to prove creationism, and all you did was cite some biblical garbage and little else. Do you actually have a brain in there, or are you just typing out of your ass?
Why dont they evolve today?
Some use the example of the white moth evolving to black color to match a black tree. This is not true. What you are witnessing is variety, humans come in all shapes and sizes and colors
We are evolving to this day. It just takes millions of years for evolution to take place.
Tell me, how was a man who lived 5000 years (Moses) ago able to record how the earth was created from when light came upon the earth, to which animals appeared, etc?
Simple, it\'s made up
Lets look at the universe. Even though there are billions of stars, they arent just scattered everywhere, they are in groups, like grapes
The atom, its structure is similiar to the solar system, in how the planets revolve around a central point, did this evolve exactly like how the solar system does it? No
First of all, they aren\'t exactly the same. In an atom, the electrons travel in a wave like nature. Planets don\'t. Electrons can move further out and then fall back to their original state easily. Planets can\'t. Solar systems are based on gravity, while atoms are based on differing charges. They are actually very different.
The giraffe. Its long neck requires its heart to pump blood extra hard to get the head. But what happens when the giraffe bends over to drink? The blood would come rushing to its brain and kill it because of the extra force. NO this doesnt happen because the giraffe has a special mechanism in its heart that no other animal has that stops fast blood flow from killing it when it bends over. Oh i guess the girrafes saw that too many were dying from drinking so they decided to evolve this away
Maybe there were giraffes that happened to develope with this feature, and ones that didn\'t. The ones that didn\'t died out. Had none developed with such an ability, the entire species may have died out. Perhaps that happened with millions of similar species before the giraffe.
Ape man, absolutly NO evidence to support this pure THEORY, its just pure imagination
There is no evidence for creationism either. Based on what we know about science and early humans though, this is the most logical conclusion. We are talking about a long long time ago here. Of course it is hard to find proof, if there is even any out there to find.
And again, it is absurd to think the human body evolved from a fish (you evolutionist should know that is where they think caveman came from
And it\'s not absurd to think some higher being created us from sand or whatever? Come on.
Its also been proven that cells can come from ONLY OTHER LIVING CELLS HOW SOME RNA AND PROTEIN GOT TOGETHER AND WENT KABOOM AND MADE A CELL I DONT KNOW, THATS EVOLUTION FOR YA
I doubt it has been definitely proven. To prove that something can\'t happen is nearly impossible. You have to do trials on every possible exception, and they could never do such a thing.
While man said earth rested on a turtled, the bible said earth hands upon NOTHING, no columbus needed
I\'m not religious, so I won\'t accept the Bible as proof. Get me something that didn\'t come out of a work of fiction.
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Ok, then your theory is that we\'re directly created by GOD, or whatever you wanna call it.
You think that animals don\'t evolve, humans don\'t evolve, atoms are mini-solar-systems... you go and read and agree with an irreal-imaginary-fantastic-religious book. That\'s the way yeahh!
Now, after read your post, I think that you\'ve some minor mental problems. A person can\'t agree with BIBLE!
Incredible.... I thought that persons like you died in Middle-Ages.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I\'ll argue with you more in a bit, but you went and proved nothing there. We told you to prove creationism, and all you did was cite some biblical garbage and little else. Do you actually have a brain in there, or are you just typing out of your ass?
I have lost my patience with you. I proved nothing? ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD? DO YOU HAVE EYES?
you friggin BLIND
Just wait until i pull out the main course
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Originally posted by Clowd
I have lost my patience with you. I proved nothing? ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD? DO YOU HAVE EYES?
you friggin BLIND
Just wait until i pull out the main course
You never proved creationism existed, and that\'s what you were asked to do. What evidence did you provide? I\'m busy working on my full reply to your ignorant jibberish btw.
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Originally posted by Samwise
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A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.
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Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
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Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
SAMWISE you messed up, seriously. read the post again with out that blind fold.
you say i have no proof yet you evolutionists dont even agree with each other, in fact you dont have a clue what to believe
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Alright, alright. I think I can settle this with a quote from our good friend Eminem, edited to fit the description. By the way, I feel like being an immature prick at this point towards Clowd.
(Clowd) is a dirty **** licking ****** who wants to get laid by that crack additt Kim Mathers. - Eminem (Edited to fit the description)
This is what Clowd gets for me being tired...So basically, uhm, go evolution.
By the way, Shockwaves isn\'t blind. You must be even more ignorant than I gave you credit for for sayin\' something as idiotic as that.
Alright, I\'m done. See Yuz.
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Originally posted by Clowd
you say i have no proof yet you evolutionists dont even agree with each other, in fact you dont have a clue what to believe
No, because:
1. Evolution is a theory
2. Creation by God is a theory
3. I can\'t prove either
4. YOU can\'t prove either
5. So it boils down to OPINION, which differs because of:
A. The people you hang around
B. What your parents tought you as a child
C. The culture you\'re from
D. A million other things
So in conclusion: You didn\'t prove a damn thing, and neither can I. It\'s moot point, so whether you believe in one thing or another it\'s your own business. However, there might be some logical reasons as to why one chooses one belief over another.
Nice job "proving" creation Clow. :rolleyes:
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Clowd: Sometimes when everyone is against you, you should learn to take a hint.
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Originally posted by Clowd
The Genesis account says it all.
God created men in his image.
:eek: :jaw:
What did he use? Materials from the earth.
Why do you think this? Because a few men wrote it down?
I can write "Humans are cows", does that make it true?
Tell me, do you actually think the human eye evolved to what it is today?
Sure, why not? Its taken 2million+ years.
Tell me, if animals and humans evolved limbs, why havent any incomplete skeletons been found?
I think they have found a fish with limbs actually.
Why dont they evolve today?
We do, but it takes time.. It does not happen over night.. Only very, very small changes..
Tell me, how was a man who lived 5000 years (Moses) ago able to record how the earth was created from when light came upon the earth, to which animals appeared, etc?
He made it up and guessed?
Im sure you know about greek history, they found out quite a few things.
Lets look at the universe. Even though there are billions of stars, they arent just scattered everywhere, they are in groups, like grapes
Its called gravity!
The giraffe. Its long neck requires its heart to pump blood extra hard to get the head. But what happens when the giraffe bends over to drink? The blood would come rushing to its brain and kill it because of the extra force. NO this doesnt happen because the giraffe has a special mechanism in its heart that no other animal has that stops fast blood flow from killing it when it bends over. Oh i guess the girrafes saw that too many were dying from drinking so they decided to evolve this away
LOL.. THINGS like this dont happen over night.. It takes millions of years..
Maybe as the giraffes neck started to grow the heart evolved with it?
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Let me prove evolution by proving that Creation couldn\'t be possible.
According to the Bible Adam & Eve were the two first people on Earth - all mankind was made from those two... see a problem here yet, Clowd? Those two people would have to deliver DNA to 6 billion people (of all races, builds and traits, etc.). That would give some severly imbred, handicapped and mutated children. How would you explain that?
If you need more proof about that, you should look into Nueva Germania, a German settlement in Paraguay (or you could just take a look at Missisippi :p).
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Have you got any sect problem Clowd? We can help you... :D
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Originally posted by Clowd
Ill get into the left hand right hand thing a little, to put it simply if there were 10000 pills on the table with 5000 white and 5000 red, what are the odds of getting only 30 red everytime?
well the answer to this would be
[(5000C30)*(5000C0)]/(10000C5000) (statistically offcourse).
but anyways, Clowd give it a rest, the only thing you have done in this thread is make yourself look like an a$$.
:)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Simple, it\'s made up
First of all, they aren\'t exactly the same. In an atom, the electrons travel in a wave like nature. Planets don\'t. Electrons can move further out and then fall back to their original state easily. Planets can\'t. Solar systems are based on gravity, while atoms are based on differing charges. They are actually very different.
Maybe there were giraffes that happened to develope with this feature, and ones that didn\'t. The ones that didn\'t died out. Had none developed with such an ability, the entire species may have died out. Perhaps that happened with millions of similar species before the giraffe.
get a education
moses wrote all the steps of the creation of earth, and scientists agree with it. HOW THE #$^#$^ IS THAT MADE up? YOUR SICK
They still rotate around the central station, look at a drawing of a atom and a drawing of the solar system they look identical, that hog wash you posted is usless ink
and on the giraffe, what caused them to "evolve" that feature? how did they evolve it? God made them that way and its that simple. Why cant you agree with that?
by the adan i didnt say atoms are mini solar systems i said they resemble a solar system which equals God created both
and rol jamas why are you so angry? your theory getting proved wrong?
and adan again, people like me died in the middle ages? no most of us died in the 20th century when the world started getting worst faster then ever, and people like you were born
shockwaves i never proved evolution existed? look, how do you prove evolution? by facts and evidence. Do you need to see an angel before you can believe? it seems like that. i proved creationism by stating facts and evidence
you cant state facts and evidence because you have none, thats right, (watches as faces turn red) you have nothing but THEORIES
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Originally posted by Clowd
My knowledge of it is near unlimited, but Im yet to hear a question from anyone
Originally posted by Clowd
This is just the tip of the iceberg, I got all this out of my mind, i\'ll have to go look up more
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Clowd
shockwaves i never proved evolution existed? look, how do you prove evolution? by facts and evidence. Do you need to see an angel before you can believe? it seems like that. i proved creationism by stating facts and evidence
you cant state facts and evidence because you have none, thats right, (watches as faces turn red) you have nothing but THEORIES
:laughing::laughing::laughing:
Damn man, you must be one sick individual or a retard (possibly both). You didn\'t PROVE a damn thing. It cannot be PROVED that "God" exists! Guess what? It\'s a THEORY! Geeze, you\'re something unique alright.
i proved creationism by stating facts and evidence
[/b]Please tell me you\'re kidding, right?? :eek:
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and rol jamas why are you so angry? your theory getting proved wrong? - "Clowd
Nope, I just don\'t like you or anything that you\'ve said :D
Basically, you\'ve been wrong in absolutely everything that you\'ve said so far, so these guys can argue, and I will sit back and read, I don\'t need to repeat what they say.
Oh, and on that "get a education" reply to Shockwaves there, why should he "get a education" when it doesn\'t really seem like you have one at all?
See Yuz.
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Yes, Tolkien told us the life and the histories of Middle Earth, and I think it is not credible...
Anyway, I think this matter is gone out of your hands, Clowd...
Now, I\'m convinced that you\'ve some kinda problem: sects, deficiencies... I don\'t know really, but your comentaries are not from a normal person.
and adan again, people like me died in the middle ages? no most of us died in the 20th century when the world started getting worst faster then ever, and people like you were born
You racist?
:D
Incredible... I\'ll save this thread forever...
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Originally posted by Clowd
get a education
moses wrote all the steps of the creation of earth, and scientists agree with it. HOW THE #$^#$^ IS THAT MADE up? YOUR SICK
They still rotate around the central station, look at a drawing of a atom and a drawing of the solar system they look identical, that hog wash you posted is usless ink
and on the giraffe, what caused them to "evolve" that feature? how did they evolve it? God made them that way and its that simple. Why cant you agree with that?
by the adan i didnt say atoms are mini solar systems i said they resemble a solar system which equals God created both
and rol jamas why are you so angry? your theory getting proved wrong?
and adan again, people like me died in the middle ages? no most of us died in the 20th century when the world started getting worst faster then ever, and people like you were born
shockwaves i never proved evolution existed? look, how do you prove evolution? by facts and evidence. Do you need to see an angel before you can believe? it seems like that. i proved creationism by stating facts and evidence
you cant state facts and evidence because you have none, thats right, (watches as faces turn red) you have nothing but THEORIES
First of all, it would be "get an education" :rolleyes:
I have stated facts. You tell me to get an education? I proved several fundamental differences between the two things.
Show me scientists that agree 100% with Moses. I\'d like to see.
The "hogwash" I posted was in no way useless ink. First of all, it wasn\'t even ink, but that\'s besides the point. You said the two are identical, I proved they aren\'t. You simplified it to ignore the factual differences between them
Besides, just because two things at first glance seem kind of similar doesn\'t mean they were made bu the same thing. They are fundamentally very different things.
The giraffe, as fastson said, prolly just evolved to have a different type of heart as it was evolving to have a longer neck. I don\'t see how that is so hard to believe.
No one has ever proved creationism. The only things that you posted that were trying to prove it were biblical references, generalizations, and things that seemed to be common sense to you, but strangely, not to anyone else. Take a hint.
No one has ever proved evolution either. It sure does seem a lot more realistic though. That\'s why it is the generally accepted scientific theory, not creationism. Evolution is science. Creationism is superstition.
You say we have nothing but theories? Guess what, we all knew that. Neither side has been proven. And your side is further from being proven. You have theories too. Yours just have less evidence to them.
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Clowd please stop posting, u have useless "idea\'s" of what you believe in. I\'ve seen people who dont even believe in creationism have better points then you about it. Please just stop, your ignorance is painful.
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Originally posted by Samwise
:laughing::laughing::laughing:
Damn man, you must be one sick individual or a retard (possibly both). You didn\'t PROVE a damn thing. It cannot be PROVED that "God" exists! Guess what? It\'s a THEORY! Geeze, you\'re something unique alright.
You called him a retard. It will be anarchy!!!!
and Clowd, why do you have no response to what I said?
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You do realize that 1% of 100 years would mean that a whole year there is 100% chance of the asteroid hitting us.
Hmmm.. That kind of sucks..
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And Clowd, when you\'re not too busy reading the Bible or whatever books your sect have, could you perhaps tell me about the Adam and Eve thing. I\'m very curious as to your answer.
(aw crap, a great movie in coming on, but I don\'t want to miss this \'debate\' either :()
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Originally posted by Videoholic
You called him a retard. It will be anarchy!!!!
and Clowd, why do you have no response to what I said?
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You do realize that 1% of 100 years would mean that a whole year there is 100% chance of the asteroid hitting us.
Hmmm.. That kind of sucks..
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Actually, wouldn\'t that mean there\'s a 100% chance in 10,000 years? Still seems way off, but whatever.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Actually, wouldn\'t that mean there\'s a 100% chance in 10,000 years? Still seems way off, but whatever.
1%=.01
.01x100(years)= 1 year.
..so in any given year there is a 100% chance of collison...mind you that one percent is spreaded out over the hundred years.
.......those numbers are way off anyway.
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OR, 1% of 100 years means there\'s a 1% chance in the 100 years that the comet would hit, making 100% in the 10,000 years, thus, making destruction inevitable in the next 10,000 years.
Sounds better than it\'s garunteed hitting in the nexty 100 years :-P
See Yuz.
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About that rock collision probabilities... didn\'t you see the comet which crashed against Jupiter 4 or 5 years ago? If that rock would had shocked us... Earth would be history.
And take a look of the moon... those craters are estrange no?
And Mexico Golf... it\'s demonstrated that was a rock collision what produced it...
But not, you still think that dinossaurs didn\'t exist?
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Originally posted by Kimahri
1%=.01
.01x100(years)= 1 year.
..so in any given year there is a 100% chance of collison...mind you that one percent is spreaded out over the hundred years.
.......those numbers are way off anyway.
actually, if you look at how percent is calculated, it would be 100/.01= 10,000 years.
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This so far is the most unintelligent creationist I have ever encountered. He\'s probably some Altar Boy that watched a little bit too much X-Men. For some unknown reason, he thinks we evolve overnight... There are many parts of the bible that are not to be taken literary, 2 of them are the Genesis and the Revelation. Most people choose to believe them though.
:rolleyes:
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Yes, I applaud you Shockwaves, for saying the exact same thing that I did, only wording it differently.
I am in your debt ;-)
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Yes, I applaud you Shockwaves, for saying the exact same thing that I did, only wording it differently.
I am in your debt ;-)
See Yuz.
Well I worded it better :p
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Bah, there is no way that an Upstate New Yorker could word a math problem better than a Nebraskan. Well, we can solve a math problem better than any Midwest Football Referee...1+1+1+1 is 5! Oy.
See Yuz.
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Clowd..you have done nothing but post moronic chit since you have registered. With this thread here, I think you should just run before someone makes you look even more retarded.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
This so far is the most unintelligent creationist I have ever encountered. He\'s probably some Altar Boy that watched a little bit too much X-Men. For some unknown reason, he thinks we evolve overnight... There are many parts of the bible that are not to be taken literary, 2 of them are the Genesis and the Revelation. Most people choose to believe them though.
:rolleyes:
1 vs 100, I\'m so use to this, I wont tire
what parts did i take literaly that i shouldnt have? i watch too much x men? im by far the most unintellgent creationist?
i will tell you all that you are by far the most unitellgent evolutionists. all you seem to know is that we evolved. and thats about it.
we evolve overnight? everything on earth is perfect. thats why it NEVER evolves, if something to were evolve what would it be?
sam wise, evolution says two \'ape men\' or whatever started the human race, isnt that the same as adam and eve? i think we all can agree we came from 1 man 1 woman, but wait, how did they become man and woman? how did reproduction evolve into the incredible process it is today? maybe after a billion years, you know it takes time
as for whoever said when everyone is against me just quit, no im not a quitter, and until you can prove evolution more then creation, i wont quit, and so far you have failed
videoholic as for the 1% deal, an asian scientist said there is a 1% chance that other the next 100 years a meteorite will hit earth. i dont know how to word it any simplier
kimhari youve seen people with better points? do tell, since my points are so ignorant, please post intellgent points
samwise you say it cant be proved God exists, I can tell you it can be proved gravity exists, even though you dont see it, you can see its affects, just like how you can see how God created giraffes birds flowers, everything the way it is, points to God, not evolution,
everyone is yet to explain to me how giraffes evolved its heart, kneck. what causes evolving?
this is for who said gravity takes care of the galaxies, laws require a lawmaker
This is the left hand right hand: amino acids come in two shapes, left handed and right handed, should they be formed at random, half be left handed and half would be right handed, there is no reason why either shape would be prefereed by living beings, but of the 20 amino acids used to make life, ALL are left handed
remember my pill illustration
as for icomplete skeletons, they didnt find a fish with arms. still no one can put this down
i dont know why everyone calls my posts ignorant, maybe because they are too ignorant to realize the facts?
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Oh yes Clowd, your facts are overwhelming. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Clowd
sam wise, evolution says two \'ape men\' or whatever started the human race, isnt that the same as adam and eve?
That\'s where you\'re wrong. The \'ape men\', as you call them, didn\'t just start out as \'ape men\' - they came from single celled lifeforms that mutated/evolved into other lifeforms. And thus, there were millions upon millions. It\'s not like "two ape-men mating" got us where we are today.
When the movie is over I\'ll be glad to make you look even more foolish.
EDIT: And just because one thing that exists can\'t be seen, doesn\'t mean anything that can\'t be seen exists. Simple logic 101.
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Originally posted by Samwise
When the movie is over I\'ll be glad to make you look even more foolish.
after reading that mumbo jumbo i have came to the inclusion that you are stuck on evolution, and are too immature to hold a reasonable debate with as you lable everything I say as foolish, even though i have use 100X more scientific data and facts then you
EDIT: Samwise, please stop trying to prove everything I say wrong, even though it is right, you make yourself look immature.
I said unseen things can be proved through the effect they have on the world. Lets take for example a house. If you saw a perfectly built house where do you think it came from? Even though you dont see a builder you know someone built it, it didnt just appear there. It didnt simply evolve. For example trees, did they evolve big trunks? No God made them that way so they wont tip over. Proof they there is an intellgent designer behind creation.
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Originally posted by Clowd
as for whoever said when everyone is against me just quit, no im not a quitter, and until you can prove evolution more then creation, i wont quit, and so far you have failed
There IS NOTHING to prove, niether can be proven either way.
It\'s just like this. I can scribe some meaningless **** down on paper and bury it. Say it\'s found in the year 4000 and people believe me to be some sort of god b/c of what i wrote, does that mean I\'m a god and my words are now gospel?
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Originally posted by Clowd
we evolve overnight? everything on earth is perfect. thats why it NEVER evolves, if something to were evolve what would it be?
**** man, we said we, DONT evolve over night it takes millions of years. Life is the struggle for survival, evolution helps us survive more efficiently.
sam wise, evolution says two \'ape men\' or whatever started the human race, isnt that the same as adam and eve? i think we all can agree we came from 1 man 1 woman, but wait, how did they become man and woman? how did reproduction evolve into the incredible process it is today? maybe after a billion years, you know it takes time
Ever heard of a hermaphrodite? Asexul reproduction. the first form of reproduction that was used it involves only one parent... then evolution evolved 2 parent reproduction so genetic information could be shared....although im sure you would know that from biology.....o wait, you never took it becuase biology is just full of theories!
videoholic as for the 1% deal, an asian scientist said there is a 1% chance that other the next 100 years a meteorite will hit earth. i dont know how to word it any simplier
ya that guys a genious.
kimhari youve seen people with better points? do tell, since my points are so ignorant, please post intellgent points
everyone in here is less ignorant in you because they dont believe in creationism.
samwise you say it cant be proved God exists, I can tell you it can be proved gravity exists, even though you dont see it, you can see its affects, just like how you can see how God created giraffes birds flowers, everything the way it is, points to God, not evolution
WTF man!!!.....you cant see that god created them, you can see that they exist yes, but ****, you cant see god create them.
everyone is yet to explain to me how giraffes evolved its heart, kneck. what causes evolving?
The need to survive. the Body knows it needs to survive, so it changes.
as for icomplete skeletons, they didnt find a fish with arms. still no one can put this down
You ever hear of a "mudskipper"...Thats a prime example of a fish in the middle of its evolution phase from water to land.
Mudskipper!
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i dont know why everyone calls my posts ignorant, maybe because they are too ignorant to realize the facts? [/B]
ya thats it.....either that, or the fact that you dont even have any "facts".
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by luckee
There IS NOTHING to prove, niether can be proven either way.
It\'s just like this. I can scribe some meaningless **** down on paper and bury it. Say it\'s found in the year 4000 and people believe me to be some sort of god b/c of what i wrote, does that mean I\'m a god and my words are now gospel?
There is something to prove MORE OF. What is written in the bible isnt meaningless, Moses accuratly decribed the creation steps of the earth, and scientists agree with him. How can he just guest the order?
People believed in creation since the beginning of time, your evolution is only 120 years old, and great minds like Albert Einstein have called Darwins theory absurd.
Now you wont call Einstein ignorant now will you? He believes in creation so is he ignorant?
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Originally posted by Kimahri
everyone in here is less ignorant in you because they dont believe in creationism.
So me in Albert Einstein (who is a creationist) are idiots? Thats you generalization
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Mudskipper? Where are going to find that? Big foot .com?
I have no facts? Didnt you read the left hand right hand theory? Scientists cant refute that is a big hole in the evolution theory yet you ignore it.
You, my friend, have no facts, I do
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Originally posted by Clowd
He believes in creation so is he ignorant?
The wisest of men can still be ignorant.
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Originally posted by Clowd
So me in Albert Einstein (who is a creationist) are idiots? Thats you generalization
BTW, You can hardly put a sentence together,barely spell, and have difficutly with grammer, yet you want us to believe you know so much. Put time magazine down, you can\'t even copy word for word correctly.
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Clowd why do you feel the need to piss everyone off and make a fool of yourself repeatidly?
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Originally posted by luckee
The wisest of men can still be ignorant.
laughing out loud, the greatest mind of our time is ignorant?! laughing out loud laughing out loud, where did your evolution theory come from? darwin? whats next? steve irwin going to start a new theory?
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Originally posted by Bozco
Clowd why do you feel the need to piss everyone off and make a fool of yourself repeatidly?
How am I making a fool of myself? Im simply stating facts that reputable scientists (even ones who believe in evolution) agree with.
So those scientists are fools?
I feel the momentum shifting
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Originally posted by Clowd
laughing out loud, the greatest mind of our time is ignorant?! laughing out loud laughing out loud, where did your evolution theory come from? darwin? whats next? steve irwin going to start a new theory?
You just made an ass of yourself yet again(surprise surprise)
ANYONE..I repeat NAYONE in the world can be ignorant no matter how intelligent they are.
Secondly, ASS..who said I was a evolutionist? Stop ASSUming things, you only look more retarded.
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Originally posted by Clowd
1 vs 100, I\'m so use to this, I wont tire
what parts did i take literaly that i shouldnt have? i watch too much x men? im by far the most unintellgent creationist?
i will tell you all that you are by far the most unitellgent evolutionists. all you seem to know is that we evolved. and thats about it.
Would you like us to describe the process to you? I guess we just assumed you had beyond a 6th grade education, and thus knew already. There is a reason that evolution is what is taught in schools.
we evolve overnight? everything on earth is perfect. thats why it NEVER evolves, if something to were evolve what would it be?
Everything is perfect? Hardly. You don\'t think that more intelligence would help wolves? Or maybe more speed or a better sense of smell. Everything can always be improved upon. That is why evolution is constantly happening.
sam wise, evolution says two \'ape men\' or whatever started the human race, isnt that the same as adam and eve? i think we all can agree we came from 1 man 1 woman, but wait, how did they become man and woman? how did reproduction evolve into the incredible process it is today? maybe after a billion years, you know it takes time
There were millions upon millions of these "ape men" as you called them. It is in no way the same. And stop trying to duck questions by answering them with questions of your own.
as for whoever said when everyone is against me just quit, no im not a quitter, and until you can prove evolution more then creation, i wont quit, and so far you have failed
Yeah, but when no one agrees with you, maybe take that as a hint that your arguement isn\'t as obvious and sensical as you think it is.
samwise you say it cant be proved God exists, I can tell you it can be proved gravity exists, even though you dont see it, you can see its affects, just like how you can see how God created giraffes birds flowers, everything the way it is, points to God, not evolution,
Gravity is different. We can directly see its effects. You can drop an object, and watch it fall. Can you do something, then watch God effect it? No. There is no God. There\'s a reason that an ever increasing number of people are seeing this. And nothing that you said seems to point to God to me. Please, explain.
everyone is yet to explain to me how giraffes evolved its heart, kneck. what causes evolving?
Once again, do we really have to explain simple 7th grade biology to you?
this is for who said gravity takes care of the galaxies, laws require a lawmaker
No they don\'t, they just require a reason for being there. Natural laws are often common sense. It\'s just the way things interact.
as for icomplete skeletons, they didnt find a fish with arms. still no one can put this down
Actually, they have found similar skeletons. Look it up.
i dont know why everyone calls my posts ignorant, maybe because they are too ignorant to realize the facts? [/B][/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Clowd
laughing out loud, the greatest mind of our time is ignorant?! laughing out loud laughing out loud, where did your evolution theory come from? darwin? whats next? steve irwin going to start a new theory?
All men are ignorant to some degree. No man is all knowing.
Originally posted by Clowd
How am I making a fool of myself? Im simply stating facts that reputable scientists (even ones who believe in evolution) agree with.
So those scientists are fools?
I feel the momentum shifting
No, it isn\'t shifting. You\'re just talking yourself into more of a corner.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Mudskipper? Where are going to find that? Big foot .com?
ya either that, or just type it into yahoo.:rolleyes:
..I suppose you are going to find something in your all mighty bible that contradicts the pictures i posted.
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Originally posted by Clowd
after reading that mumbo jumbo i have came to the inclusion that you are stuck on evolution, and are too immature to hold a reasonable debate with as you lable everything I say as foolish, even though i have use 100X more scientific data and facts then you
Yes, we "lable" you as foolish :rolleyes: The only one here who can\'t hold a decent debate is you. You are throwing in questionable opinions, and ignoring half of what we say. Your arguement has more holes in it than anyone else\'s. And you also can\'t get through a post without a spelling mistake.
EDIT: Samwise, please stop trying to prove everything I say wrong, even though it is right, you make yourself look immature.
If he looks foolish, why is everyone laughing at you?
I said unseen things can be proved through the effect they have on the world. Lets take for example a house. If you saw a perfectly built house where do you think it came from? Even though you dont see a builder you know someone built it, it didnt just appear there. It didnt simply evolve. For example trees, did they evolve big trunks? No God made them that way so they wont tip over. Proof they there is an intellgent designer behind creation. [/B]
There is no common sense in that. I look out at the world and I don\'t see God. I see a beautiful miracle of nature. Nothing more. God is not common sense. Even most creationists would agree with that.
Originally posted by Clowd
There is something to prove MORE OF. What is written in the bible isnt meaningless, Moses accuratly decribed the creation steps of the earth, and scientists agree with him. How can he just guest the order?
People believed in creation since the beginning of time, your evolution is only 120 years old, and great minds like Albert Einstein have called Darwins theory absurd.
Now you wont call Einstein ignorant now will you? He believes in creation so is he ignorant?
The bible is meaningless. There is no reason any of it should hold any credit. Even if part of it is factual, that means nothing. I could write a story about a talking dog in New York City. If I accurately describe NYC, does that mean there is really a talking dog there?
Actually, Christianity has only been around for like 2000 years. The world has been around for much longer than that. And the reason Christianity has been around longer? Because it\'s superstition, and nothing more. Ignorant people often turn to superstition to explain what they can\'t understand.
And all men are ignorant, to some degree. Einstein is no different.
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Lol, I had planned a long response to all his nonsense. But then I figured it\'d just be a waste of time. Perhaps I\'ll do one if I get enough of his ramblings.
And Clowd, if I seemed immature in some of my earlier posts, it was just because I found you and your opinions (the socalled evidence) so laughable.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The bible is meaningless. There is no reason any of it should hold any credit. Even if part of it is factual, that means nothing. I could write a story about a talking dog in New York City. If I accurately describe NYC, does that mean there is really a talking dog there?
Actually, Christianity has only been around for like 2000 years. The world has been around for much longer than that. And the reason Christianity has been around longer? Because it\'s superstition, and nothing more. Ignorant people often turn to superstition to explain what they can\'t understand.
And all men are ignorant, to some degree. Einstein is no different.
True. Chritianity was also created so that we would have a reason to live and obey.
If you have ever read the book animal farm you will see a prime example of the authors opinion on the subject. The subject of "heaven" is brought about to the animals so they have a reason to work, and obey the leaders. The same goes for why we have chritianity today. People want there to be something else after we die, me included, im just not ignorant enough to actually beleive it.
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luckee ducky you funny, i assumed you were evolutionist? You said albert einstein was ignorant for believing in creation, hey, i can take a clue
shockwaves, will you ever quit proving nothing? Put up some evidence that isnt a theory for crying out loud. put in something like my left hand right hand theory
natural laws are common sense? who made the law? oh the law evolved
the increasing number of people seeing there is no God? Because the world is getting worst, that is why, and they think there is no God because of it. But make no mistake, God will intervene soon
why does no one agree with me? because you have other reasons of not believing in god rather then just \'i dont see him\'
tell me, have you ever wondered what the meaning of life was? why is it that only humans feel this? not the animals?
samwise your theory of messed up children from only 2 parents is just your own theory.
everything IS perfect, a wolf doesnt need more intellegence :rolleyes:
shockwaves you are truly uneducated, i said people have believed in creation since the beginning of time, please dont try to deny this....
you see the beautiful nature? why is it beautiful? what makes you since beauty? did you evolve that? or did God design you to enjoy his creation?
Why is everyone laughing at me? Because they thought I was going to make a fool of myself and I made a fool of them, so they just try laugh at me like, your the idiot, even though they prove nothing, know nothing, they just say your an idiot, and have nothing to back it up, absolute NOTHING
im ignoring half of what you say? im having a hard time replying to all your useless posts they try to deny fact
SAMWISE (sorry for the caps just to show the outrage) MY OPINIONS ARE LAUGHABLE? WHATS YOUR OPINION? BACTERIA CAME TO EARTH ON AN ASTEROID 2 BILLION YEARS AGO, SOME HOW RNA AND PROTEIN WERE FORMED, THEN FOUND EACH OTHER ON THE HUGE EARTH, AND MADE A LIVING CELL. THATS NOT IT THOUGH, AFTER THAT THE CELL MAKES ITSELF THE AWESOME MACHINE IT IS TODAY, MULTIPLYS AND MAKES A FISH, HONESTLY
YOU - CANT - GET - ANY - FUNNIER - THEN - THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALBERT EINSTEIN SAID ITS UTTERLY ABSURD TO BELIEVE IN SUCH NONNNNNNNNNNNNNSEEEEEENSE!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Clowd
luckee ducky you funny, i assumed you were evolutionist? You said albert einstein was ignorant for believing in creation, hey, i can take a clue
shockwaves, will you ever quit proving nothing? Put up some evidence that isnt a theory for crying out loud. put in something like my left hand right hand theory
natural laws are common sense? who made the law? oh the law evolved
the increasing number of people seeing there is no God? Because the world is getting worst, that is why, and they think there is no God because of it. But make no mistake, God will intervene soon
why does no one agree with me? because you have other reasons of not believing in god rather then just \'i dont see him\'
tell me, have you ever wondered what the meaning of life was? why is it that only humans feel this? not the animals?
samwise your theory of messed up children from only 2 parents is just your own theory.
everything IS perfect, a wolf doesnt need more intellegence :rolleyes:
shockwaves you are truly uneducated, i said people have believed in creation since the beginning of time, please dont try to deny this....
you see the beautiful nature? why is it beautiful? what makes you since beauty? did you evolve that? or did God design you to enjoy his creation?
Why is everyone laughing at me? Because they thought I was going to make a fool of myself and I made a fool of them, so they just try laugh at me like, your the idiot, even though they prove nothing, know nothing, they just say your an idiot, and have nothing to back it up, absolute NOTHING
im ignoring half of what you say? im having a hard time replying to all your useless posts they try to deny fact
SAMWISE (sorry for the caps just to show the outrage) MY OPINIONS ARE LAUGHABLE? WHATS YOUR OPINION? BACTERIA CAME TO EARTH ON AN ASTEROID 2 BILLION YEARS AGO, SOME HOW RNA AND PROTEIN WERE FORMED, THEN FOUND EACH OTHER ON THE HUGE EARTH, AND MADE A LIVING CELL. THATS NOT IT THOUGH, AFTER THAT THE CELL MAKES ITSELF THE AWESOME MACHINE IT IS TODAY, MULTIPLYS AND MAKES A FISH, HONESTLY
YOU - CANT - GET - ANY - FUNNIER - THEN - THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALBERT EINSTEIN SAID ITS UTTERLY ABSURD TO BELIEVE IN SUCH NONNNNNNNNNNNNNSEEEEEENSE!!!!!!!!!!
Man stfu already. I mean keep posting cause its funny......but all your posts ramble on about the same nonsense. We humans question our creator becuase we are the only creature with enough intelligence to do so. A monkey or miquito is not smart enough to wonder how they got here, they act on pure instinct, we on the other hand do not. We use reason(except you of course) and rely only on instinct when we are in danger.
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Originally posted by Clowd
luckee ducky you funny, i assumed you were evolutionist? You said albert einstein was ignorant for believing in creation, hey, i can take a clue
Ahh..so not only are you ignorant and assinine, you are illiterate also, I didn\'t call him ignorant, I said anyone could be, including him.
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Originally posted by Clowd
samwise your theory of messed up children from only 2 parents is just your own theory.
:eek::eek::eek:
Ok, now I just lost ALL respect for you (not that you care). It\'s not a theory. It\'s a FACT - why do you think there are jokes about toothless children playing the banjo, when two cousins marry (or rather brother and sister)? Because they get inbred (and the defects will show in time. I\'m not joking here Einstein.
And about the asteroid theory - it\'s just that - A F*CKING THEORY! I didn\'t pass it on as evidence or proof... like someone else here *cough* Clowd *cough*.
Get over it already.
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why do you think there are jokes about toothless children playing the banjo, when two cousins marry (or rather brother and sister)?
Banjos are cool. Bela Fleck plays the banjo. Bela Fleck rules.
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I\'m betting he\'s not going to listen to you. He obviously is just a 12 year old who won\'t believe any of us because his parents said so.
... or maybe he\'s just an inbred himself?
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Originally posted by Kimahri
Man stfu already. I mean keep posting cause its funny......but all your posts ramble on about the same nonsense. We humans question our creator becuase we are the only creature with enough intelligence to do so. A monkey or miquito is not smart enough to wonder how they got here, they act on pure instinct, we on the other hand do not. We use reason(except you of course) and rely only on instinct when we are in danger.
just because you have intellegence doesnt mean you have to question a creator
where did you get reason and instinct? how does reason and instinct evolve?
this is where creation comes in. God made us with reason and instinct. That is a million times more believeable then it evolved that way. If you dont think so, then your in intense denial
kimhri please stop calling my posts funny, and stop following the crowd in these discussions in calling my posts ignorant, every time you deny something as plain as day, as black and white as it is, your credibility sinks. Well i guess it dont mattter everyone is with you in making a fool of themselves by trying to call my posts ignorant, do i call your posts ignorant? just because i dont agree with them does it make them ignorant? you seem to think that way, and its very immature
luckee you said the wisest of men can be ignorant.
im not a mind reader hear, but anyone will take the clue as i did, if you didnt mean it that way, then i took you the wrong way
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Originally posted by Clowd
luckee ducky you funny, i assumed you were evolutionist? You said albert einstein was ignorant for believing in creation, hey, i can take a clue
shockwaves, will you ever quit proving nothing? Put up some evidence that isnt a theory for crying out loud. put in something like my left hand right hand theory
I\'ll post facts when you do.
natural laws are common sense? who made the law? oh the law evolved
No one made the laws. Laws is just how we refer to them. They are naturally there. No one had to create them. Things have just always been like that.
the increasing number of people seeing there is no God? Because the world is getting worst, that is why, and they think there is no God because of it. But make no mistake, God will intervene soon
No, the world is just getting more sensable. Also, I strongly believe the world is getting better all the time.
why does no one agree with me? because you have other reasons of not believing in god rather then just \'i dont see him\'
Why not address these issues then.
tell me, have you ever wondered what the meaning of life was? why is it that only humans feel this? not the animals?
The meaning of life? I don\'t know why people need to search for such a thing. Why does it matter. You are here for a limited amount of time, so you live to the fullest while you\'re here. That\'s what life is. I don\'t even know what you mean by only humans feeling this.
samwise your theory of messed up children from only 2 parents is just your own theory.
And creationism is yours. If you want us to disprove yours, then disprove ours.
everything IS perfect, a wolf doesnt need more intellegence :rolleyes:
Tell that to the ones that starve. There are ones that starve.
shockwaves you are truly uneducated, i said people have believed in creation since the beginning of time, please dont try to deny this....
I\'m uneducated? What have I said that was uneducated? Hell, at least I can spell. I never said people haven\'t alwasy believed in some form of creationism. But how do you know that they have? You can\'t possibly know what people believed millions of years ago. Besides, even if they did, it was just a way to explain their ignorance away.
you see the beautiful nature? why is it beautiful? what makes you since beauty? did you evolve that? or did God design you to enjoy his creation?
It\'s a part of the human brain. We just happen to have evolved to be that way.
Why is everyone laughing at me? Because they thought I was going to make a fool of myself and I made a fool of them, so they just try laugh at me like, your the idiot, even though they prove nothing, know nothing, they just say your an idiot, and have nothing to back it up, absolute NOTHING
im ignoring half of what you say? im having a hard time replying to all your useless posts they try to deny fact
What facts have I tried to disprove? Tell me. If you want us to use facts, then you should too. You haven\'t. And we have used facts. You just ignore the best ones (like the mudskipper). Yes, everyone is laughing at you. It\'s because you look like a fool
SAMWISE (sorry for the caps just to show the outrage) MY OPINIONS ARE LAUGHABLE? WHATS YOUR OPINION? BACTERIA CAME TO EARTH ON AN ASTEROID 2 BILLION YEARS AGO, SOME HOW RNA AND PROTEIN WERE FORMED, THEN FOUND EACH OTHER ON THE HUGE EARTH, AND MADE A LIVING CELL. THATS NOT IT THOUGH, AFTER THAT THE CELL MAKES ITSELF THE AWESOME MACHINE IT IS TODAY, MULTIPLYS AND MAKES A FISH, HONESTLY
Yes, your opinions are laughable. That\'s part of the reason for the lack of time spent researching facts for posts. Your views are so ignorant and laughable, that everyone already sees what an idiot you really are.
YOU - CANT - GET - ANY - FUNNIER - THEN - THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALBERT EINSTEIN SAID ITS UTTERLY ABSURD TO BELIEVE IN SUCH NONNNNNNNNNNNNNSEEEEEENSE!!!!!!!!!!
Einstein was ignorant. We\'ve been through this.
And a warning...stop insulting me on a personal level. You won\'t like the results if you don\'t
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This is pathetic. Clowd do you think that if the world, the animals, humans, universe were have been created by GOD, the world would spent so much money investigating the beginning of the life and the universe?? You guy, go to scientists and say them: "mates, you have not to study any more. The universe was created by GOD and that\'s sufficient". And then scientists would stop studiying. P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C
Now, ok, let\'s suppose that GOD exists (stupid situation, me saying GOD exists :D ) why the hell then he let (support) the bad things on the Earth?? Why he let WTC disaster? Why he lets 5000 children dye every day for lack of food? Why he let hardships? Why he lets wars? Why he lets natural disasters? WHY?
If GOD exist, he would love us, GOD would be PERFECT, and that behaviours wouldn\'t be properly for a GOD.
And what do you think about Church? Church reprsents the theoric GOD on Earth. Then GOD may like sexual children a lot, he may like steal, he may like murder, he may like to do so much things for a GOD.
PD: Clowd I think you\'re joking us. I cannot understand how a person can think those things. It\'s simply incredible.
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**laughing uncontrolably**
Mwa hahaha!!! This is the BEST thread I have ever read! Great stuff, please god (whoops!), make this a sticky!
Hey kopking, if you\'re still feeling down, read this from begining to end. You\'ll feel 100 times better!
Anyway, I don\'t want this do die out, so I\'ll throw some fuel on the proverbial fire:
"Who created the creator? Doesn\'t everything have to come from somewhere? Where does your god get his power? If he creates and controls all we do, then why is there suffering? Pain?"
You think he\'d have seen that whole "satan" thing coming a mile away...
Also, if god made me, then why do I even believe in evolution? You think I\'d just believe what he wants me to believe.
**runs away dodging creationist gun-fire**
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I already can see what he\'s gonna say...
"Well, God gave us free will, that\'s why he lets us do the things we do"
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Samwise
:eek::eek::eek:
Ok, now I just lost ALL respect for you (not that you care). It\'s not a theory. It\'s a FACT - why do you think there are jokes about toothless children playing the banjo, when two cousins marry (or rather brother and sister)? Because they get inbred (and the defects will show in time. I\'m not joking here Einstein.
And about the asteroid theory - it\'s just that - A F*CKING THEORY! I didn\'t pass it on as evidence or proof... like someone else here *cough* Clowd *cough*.
Get over it already.
Samwise, scientists agree there were 2 man and woman in the start. I know this for a fact. Its been on the discovery channel a million times. Ever see the real adam and eve special on the discovery channel? Asexual reproduction for humans is nonsense
soul reaver please leave your off topic posts somewhere else, we are debating here, im starting to dislike your 2 sentences stating im 12 or something lame like that please stop
shockwaves there is proof people have been on the earth for thousands of years, none for millions
shockwaves i have posted facts, incomplete skeletons, the left hand right hand amino acids, moses knowing the exact steps of earths creation
im not sure if its worth debating with people who think my opinions (which really are opinons of scientists, some who believe in evolution) are laughable, who thinks the world is getting better :rolleyes: (shockwaves please, just listen to my posts, dont just instantly deny them, i listen to yours and ponder them) and who thinks einstein is ignorant.
Also you seem stuck on evolution, I know you dont believe in because you dont see him, there is another reason
as for the spelling, my accuracy is 96% at 90 wpm
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Clowd have you read "The chosen species"?
No I suppose.
Do it, and afterwards, read "Antichrist", by Nietzsche.
Nice book.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Samwise, scientists agree there were 2 man and woman in the start. I know this for a fact.
You know this for a fact? Why didn\'t you just say that, then we could have saved all this typing...
Its been on the discovery channel a million times. [/B]
Damn, you got me again. You know it for a fact AND it was on Discovery. I give up.
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Originally posted by Clowd
shockwaves there is proof people have been on the earth for thousands of years, none for millions
shockwaves i have posted facts, incomplete skeletons, the left hand right hand amino acids, moses knowing the exact steps of earths creation
as for the spelling, my accuracy is 96% at 90 wpm
Yes, but that doesn\'t mean they haven\'t been. Most scientists believe we have been here for millions of years.
You never posted an incomplete skeleton that I saw, and no one knows how the earth was created, so that is not a fact. All you have is the acids, and we have collectively posted much more than that.
And spelling...it\'s a lot less than 96% here :rolleyes:
I love how I asked you to show me where I was arguing against proven facts, the reason you were saying I\'m an uneducated moron, and you simply ignored it. :o
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Originally posted by Clowd
Samwise, scientists agree there were 2 man and woman in the start. I know this for a fact. Its been on the discovery channel a million times. Ever see the real adam and eve special on the discovery channel? Asexual reproduction for humans is nonsense
Dude, does the stuff you read go in your ear and out the ****ing other? I would like to see proof of those "scientists" that belive that there were a women and a man in the begining. every scientist i hear from believes in the evolution of the cell. And i didnt say humans reproduced Asexually, I said that early life did and many still do, you can see then the less complex animals use Asexual reproduction while the more complex use sexual (ie: humans). **** now you use Tv as a reference for your proof of adam and eve, well you remember that special on Fox about big foot?
soul reaver please leave your off topic posts somewhere else, we are debating here, im starting to dislike your 2 sentences stating im 12 or something lame like that please stop
his two sentences are better that your freacking essays on nonsense.
shockwaves there is proof people have been on the earth for thousands of years, none for millions
ya where is this proof...your brain?. Stop saying there is proof without producing it. So maybe not fully evovled humans existed millions of years ago but un developed ancestors of man did ......I fear this sentence will not make sense to you because it involves the evolution of humans.
shockwaves i have posted facts, incomplete skeletons, the left hand right hand amino acids, moses knowing the exact steps of earths creation
those arent ****ing facts!...back them up *****, you are just mumbeling this nonsense to us about moses and his 5000 years on earth.:rolleyes:
im not sure if its worth debating with people who think my opinions (which really are opinons of scientists, some who believe in evolution) are laughable, who thinks the world is getting better :rolleyes: (shockwaves please, just listen to my posts, dont just instantly deny them, i listen to yours and ponder them) and who thinks einstein is ignorant.
please, if these are opinions of scientists then they obviously do not believe in evolution. Please enlighten us with proof of some of these scientsis. Here you can use this to find your proof: http://www.google.com.
Also you seem stuck on evolution, I know you dont believe in because you dont see him, there is another reason
Did anyone understand this?
as for the spelling, my accuracy is 96% at 90 wpm[/b]
Maybe so but i would like to see your score on a grammar test.
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Originally posted by Tom G
"Who created the creator? Doesn\'t everything have to come from somewhere? Where does your god get his power? If he creates and controls all we do, then why is there suffering? Pain?"
Also, if god made me, then why do I even believe in evolution? You think I\'d just believe what he wants me to believe.
**runs away dodging creationist gun-fire**
Are you expecting me to answer: Because God is all powerful?
1). Who created the creator? No one, He was the alpha and the omega. The reason why you have trouble comprehending the creator not having a creator is because since you are human, you know nothing but creation. You think everything has to have a beginning because thats all you\'ve known.
2). Doesnt everything have to come from somewhere? If you are referring to what God used to make the universe, he used his abundance of energy. Yes I know energy isnt mass but this is where the nuclear bomb comes in. Scientists have proved that mass can be turned into energy and energy into mass, the atomic bomb proved this with its uranium. If you want to know more, just ask.
3). Where does God get his power? If a robot could think, it would ask you, its creator the same thing. One thing that you must understand is that God is NOT human.0.
4). If he creates and controls all we do, then why is there suffering? Pain? Because humans rebeled from him, so he let them rule themselves. They wanted to rule themselves, and well, you see the outcome. But those excerising faith in God will be delivered in Armageddon from this wicked world.
Im busy now but I will reply to more questions in a bit
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Originally posted by Clowd
Are you expecting me to answer: Because God is all powerful?
1). Who created the creator? No one, He was the alpha and the omega. The reason why you have trouble comprehending the creator not having a creator is because since you are human, you know nothing but creation. You think everything has to have a beginning because thats all you\'ve known.
2). Doesnt everything have to come from somewhere? If you are referring to what God used to make the universe, he used his abundance of energy. Yes I know energy isnt mass but this is where the nuclear bomb comes in. Scientists have proved that mass can be turned into energy and energy into mass, the atomic bomb proved this with its uranium. If you want to know more, just ask.
3). Where does God get his power? If a robot could think, it would ask you, its creator the same thing. One thing that you must understand is that God is NOT human.0.
4). If he creates and controls all we do, then why is there suffering? Pain? Because humans rebeled from him, so he let them rule themselves. They wanted to rule themselves, and well, you see the outcome. But those excerising faith in God will be delivered in Armageddon from this wicked world.
Im busy now but I will reply to more questions in a bit
Out of curiosity, if God always existed, then why is it so far fetched on the otherside of the arguement to say that life always existed?
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You can not deny evolution!!!!!
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Well, that bat is making some poeple here jealous.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Well, that bat is making some poeple here jealous.
Namely, Clowd.
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that bat is like me.
Big penis size to body size ratio.
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Originally posted by Kimahri
that bat is like me.
Big penis size to body size ratio.
Survival of the fitest.
By the way, does anyone even remember that a meteor came real close to hitting us? Oh yeah, my original thread that took the left turn after like the first reply.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Out of curiosity, if God always existed, then why is it so far fetched on the otherside of the arguement to say that life always existed?
Thats oranges and apples shockwaves.
BTW Kimhari you dont seem to know much about evolution or creation so your opinion is pretty much useless, so are your replys. Guess what: Fox and the discovery channel are two different channels. What wants to entertain , the other wants to educate. I cant believe you compared the two.
There is proof people have been on earth millions of years because it took that long for our brain to evolve. Guess what buddy, THAT AINT PROOF. PERIOD
You say if those are opinions of scientists they dont believe in evolution? Maybe they are reasonable individuals who actually take the facts and reason with them unlike you who just knocks down anything non evolution.
It may not be 5000, I think i was mistaken, it probably is 15,000 years humans have lived on earth, of course animals came before humans, something that moses wrote 5000 years ago and modern day scientists confirm today.
Enlighten you with proof? Maybe I wouldnt have to if you watched TLC or the discovery channel instead of that brain melting MTV.
You know, its kind of foolish if someone doesnt believe the same theory as you do, to call them ignorant.
I will tell you this, like how the bible puts it, if you dont believe in God you are stupid.
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OMG Vid... I think you just found the reincarnated form of Ron Jeremy!!!
As for the rest of 5 or 6 long thread of pure spamming garbage, I only have two things to comment on.. and surprisingly, I\'m going to be somewhat agreeing with clowd.
1. Samwise said the theory of Adam and Eve couldn\'t be true because of the massive cases of imbreeding and the retardation that follows.
*Looks at Clowd, Looks at Sammy\'s post, Looks at the middle east, looks at Sammy\'s post, Looks at DocWiz, Looks at Sammy\'s post, Looks at organized religeon, Looks at Sammy\'s post....*
Umm.. seems to me that we don\'t have all that great of a track record going on here.
2. Clowd says that man was created in god\'s image from materials on the earth. Well, I don\'t see many piles of unused flesh just laying around.. so if god made us out of Rock, mud, and dirt.. in his image.. that means he must be made out of mud, rock, and dirt himself. (Musta just changed the dirt to flesh cause walking mud people would just be silly) So based on that hypothosis, it\'s safe to assume that god looks like this:
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Now come on... who in their right mind wouldn\'t want a god that looks like that? Come on you non-believers: IT\'s CLOBBERIN TIME!!!
(PS: I think the silver surfer or the Hulkster would have made a much better god.. but eh.. there\'s no accounting for taste)
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Originally posted by Clowd
I will tell you this, like how the bible puts it, if you dont believe in God you are stupid.
Funny, what chapter is that in, I can\'t seem to find it.
You say if those are opinions of scientists they dont believe in evolution? Maybe they are reasonable individuals who actually take the facts and reason with them unlike you who just knocks down anything non evolution.
The same thing you do, anything non creationist, you knock down. Just because we don\'t believe in your opinions doesn\'t mean we are unreasonable.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
2. Clowd says that man was created in god\'s image from materials on the earth. Well, I don\'t see many piles of unused flesh just laying around.. so if god made us out of Rock, mud, and dirt.. in his image.. that means he must be made out of mud, rock, and dirt himself. (Musta just changed the dirt to flesh cause walking mud people would just be silly) So based on that hypothosis, it\'s safe to assume that god looks like this:
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Now come on... who in their right mind wouldn\'t want a god that looks like that? Come on you non-believers: IT\'s CLOBBERIN TIME!!!
(PS: I think the silver surfer or the Hulkster would have made a much better god.. but eh.. there\'s no accounting for taste)
ROFLMAO! :laughing:
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Originally posted by Clowd
Thats oranges and apples shockwaves
About the size of your brain would you say?
BTW Kimhari you dont seem to know much about evolution or creation so your opinion is pretty much useless, so are your replys. Guess what: Fox and the discovery channel are two different channels. What wants to entertain , the other wants to educate. I cant believe you compared the two.
**** who the hell are you to say How much i understand about evolution. Im not questioning how much you know about creation, sure you probably know lots, but all im saying, along with everyone here on the boards is that its useless brainwash. And uhh, Tv was designed to entertain, not certain channels in particular. Just becuase the discovery channel educates doesnt mean that it doesnt entertain, if it didnt no one would watch. And whats this I hear? My posts are useless and uneducated? Well that sounds great coming from you, someone who got their education (and your proof?) from a fictional book.....The bible.
There is proof people have been on earth millions of years because it took that long for our brain to evolve. Guess what buddy, THAT AINT PROOF. PERIOD
Sure. But the discovery of a 10, 000 year old human isn\'t proof that humans didnt exist millions of years ago either.
You say if those are opinions of scientists they dont believe in evolution? Maybe they are reasonable individuals who actually take the facts and reason with them unlike you who just knocks down anything non evolution
Im simply stating why I do not believe in creation.....with some cursive here and there......:p
It may not be 5000, I think i was mistaken, it probably is 15,000 years humans have lived on earth, of course animals came before humans, something that moses wrote 5000 years ago and modern day scientists confirm today
Who the **** are these modern scientists. Come on Clowd, get some links and proof here, you keep pulling "modern scientists" out of your ass to explain everyting:rolleyes:
Enlighten you with proof? Maybe I wouldnt have to if you watched TLC or the discovery channel instead of that brain melting MTV.
WTF? Now you are telling me what i watch? I Dont know why you watch TLC as the ratio of evolution programs to creation programs that they broadcast is probably 20:1, which is why TLC is the channel that I can honestly say I watch the most.
I will tell you this, like how the bible puts it, if you dont believe in God you are stupid. [/B]
I\'ll tell you like this. (http://151.200.3.8/~vze29k6v/you.html)
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Thats oranges and apples shockwaves.
Why exactly did you say this? Are you saying you can\'t make comparisons with what he brought up? How exactly is this orange/apple analogy going to help that point?
I can compare apples to oranges. Oranges are more tangy than apples. Apples are sweet. Personally, I prefer apples. There we go. I just compared apples to oranges.
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Originally posted by M4
Why exactly did you say this? Are you saying you can\'t make comparisons with what he brought up? How exactly is this orange/apple analogy going to help that point?
I can compare apples to oranges. Oranges are more tangy than apples. Apples are sweet. Personally, I prefer apples. There we go. I just compared apples to oranges.
pfft. Oranges kick apples ass\'!
:p
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WTF ???? I thought we all here believed in god! If god don\'t exist then answer me this:
Who created the PS and the PS2? Evolution? NO WAY!! Who created FFI? Who created FFX? Evolution again? COME ON!!! Don\'t be ridiculous and answer me!!! Don\'t hide! I GOT YOU ALL!!! Now tell me god don\'t exist Clowd was right!:D
By the way, I love to point out this phrase when people start discussing god: "God is a thing with which we measure pain"
Please continue with this thread..... I LOVE IT!!!
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Theres a well known saying that goes like this...
"People are always willing to discuss their religious beliefs with you, but they\'ll be damned if they\'re gonna listen to yours."
Anybody else feel like that fits in here..?
Again, If god really had so much power, he\'d just make everything perfect. The world- no, scratch that, the universe, would be like the Garden of Eden 24/7. Should be no problem with someone with so much power, right? But like most religious people, you comeback with "Because we rebeled against him." You seem to be his best friend, so why does he punish you so much? Is god really such a hardass that he holds a grudge against ALL of humanity, even his most devoted followers? Thats insane.
Another Simpsons quote:
Homer\'s take on God..
"He\'s my favorite fictional character."
:laughing:
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PSXXX if your serious, and you believe in God, you are all that is needed to shut them up. Once another member of the board besides me comes in and states his/her belief in God, they realize they are losing numbers, and will back off. As long as they can feed off each other like parasites, their consistancy of calling my posts ignorant will continue. Its really pathetic.
M4
i am saying you cant make comparisons with what he brought up, if you think you can, then your not thinking straight. And all your little smart remarks make you look immature. i made the apple orange comparison to show they are two different things. As for saying my comparison doesnt help the point? What do you mean? Of course it dont help the point...
Sonyfan
, you know our body is made up mostly of water? Is that SO shocking? What do you eat when you are little? Milk, apple sauce, as you get older you eat gyros, hamburgers, pizza. Where do most of this food come from? The earth. The rest come from the earth inderectly. So there you have it.
Do you think our body just stretches when it grows?
When God said we came from dust he ment we came from the earth, some things in the bible arent literal.
Kimhari
I know more about creation and evolution then you, from what I have heard from you. Your replys have been the same: we evolved that way.
The bible a fictional book? Where has it been proved fictional? Everything in it is true, and science cant prove otherwise. There is only a little left that is not been fullfilled yet in Revalation
Adan
About that guy who made the 4 amino acids, if he kept the lightning on them, they would have die. The problem is that evolution states amino acids formed in clowds with lightning, if this was the case lightning in the primitive world was constant in the clouds, and would have destroyed the acids instantly.
Soul Reaver
What chapter did i find it in? If you read the bible once a year you may have remembered it. Psalms 14:1
So far I have just gave out appetizers, here comes the main course.
Evolution states life polymerized in the ocean. This doesnt makes sense because the primitive ocean favors depolymerization, thus cells cant polymerize and form life in primitive oceans.
You want a scientist?
"The probability of life generating by chance is comparable to the probability of a unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop."
-Biologist Edwin Conklin
I got more quotes from scientists if you want them.
You atheists are really something. Your theory is just that. Pure thoery. At least creation can back it up with some facts. Im yet to see one fact that supports evolution.
Face it, you all truly dont believe in evolution, you know there is a God, you just dont understand everything, thats OK I can help
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Originally posted by Tom G
Theres a well known saying that goes like this...
"People are always willing to discuss their religious beliefs with you, but they\'ll be damned if they\'re gonna listen to yours."
Anybody else feel like that fits in here..?
Again, If god really had so much power, he\'d just make everything perfect. The world- no, scratch that, the universe, would be like the Garden of Eden 24/7. Should be no problem with someone with so much power, right? But like most religious people, you comeback with "Because we rebeled against him." You seem to be his best friend, so why does he punish you so much? Is god really such a hardass that he holds a grudge against ALL of humanity, even his most devoted followers? Thats insane.
Another Simpsons quote:
Homer\'s take on God..
"He\'s my favorite fictional character."
:laughing:
Tom G I\'m listening to your evolution theories, they just have no foundation.
Why does God not make everything perfect? He did, but he gave some of his creation free will, and with free will = free to do what you want.
Why does he hold a grudge against humanity? This isnt a grudge, he set aside rules like this, you sin, you die, but, a sacrifice can pay for your sins, = Jesus
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Originally posted by Clowd
Kimhari
I know more about creation and evolution then you, from what I have heard from you. Your replys have been the same: we evolved that way.
The bible a fictional book? Where has it been proved fictional? Everything in it is true, and science cant prove otherwise. There is only a little left that is not been fullfilled yet in Revalation
Ya ok, your right, from our encounter over the internet between two complete strangers I have also come to the conclusion that you are completly correct, you do know more than me:rolleyes:
And my replies have all been the same? I suugest you learn how to read, I actually provided you with photographic evidence when all you provided was a bunch of "facts" that were practically your own opinion and not facts.
O ya, you remember elementary school, ya its and educational facility where you gained the base of our knowledge. Get this: In elementary they told us that stories such as Adam and Eve and Noah\'s arc were made up to help us understand creation! Even the church supports that!
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Originally posted by Clowd
Tom G I\'m listening to your evolution theories, they just have no foundation.
Why does God not make everything perfect? He did, but he gave some of his creation free will, and with free will = free to do what you want.
Why does he hold a grudge against humanity? This isnt a grudge, he set aside rules like this, you sin, you die, but, a sacrifice can pay for your sins, = Jesus
I never made any theories. What were you reading?
All I wanted to know was why does something so powerful just let his creations run amuck(sp?)? He could just be like, twitching his nose or whatever, and then "bing", we\'re all saints, just like you Clowd! But instead of anything new, you answer with the same old "God works in mysterious ways" answer.
And Jesus isn\'t dead! He lives in South Park, Colorado. Last time I checked, he had his own tv show on Public Access...
And both you and PSXXX aren\'t gonna change the mind of the whole board. But I\'d be more inclined to listen to PSXXX, \'cuz at least he listens and doesn\'t consider people who don\'t agree with him to be idiots and whatnot.
And I could be wrong, but wasn\'t he messing with you?
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The bible is simply a book full of a bunch of stories written by a few dudes high on shrooms.
What else can explain Moses parting the red sea or noah\'s arc.
Has anyone explained how he got the dinosaurs on the arc?
More proof that evolution exists!!!!
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Carot anyone?
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Wow, what a thread. I wish I could get into it right now (before it gets any worse), but I have to go. Be back tomorrow.
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Originally posted by Kimahri
Ya ok, your right, from our encounter over the internet between two complete strangers I have also come to the conclusion that you are completly correct, you do know more than me:rolleyes:
And my replies have all been the same? I suugest you learn how to read, I actually provided you with photographic evidence when all you provided was a bunch of "facts" that were practically your own opinion and not facts.
O ya, you remember elementary school, ya its and educational facility where you gained the base of our knowledge. Get this: In elementary they told us that stories such as Adam and Eve and Noah\'s arc were made up to help us understand creation! Even the church supports that!
my opinions? read my big post where i addresed about 5 members of this board, in that post alone are 2 FACTS that dissaprove the evolution theory. Not to mention the left hand right hand FACT I mentioned, most of it is common sense. You cant honestly think the human eye evolved to what it is...even Darwin said thinking that the human eye evolved is absurd...
The church supports what? Of course telling the truth about creation will help them understand creation. About the made up part, no, thats wrong, the genesis account was not made up. Some chuch groups may believe that but I dont.
BTW was it shockwaves who said my back was in a corner? laughing out loud, all of you have exhausted me today, with your immature posts calling my posts \'ignorant\'
lets take this under the microscope.
most of the people here have said my posts are ignorant, and that i make my self look stupid. why? because i dont believe a thoery that has no foundation? i believe in creation, something that can be supported by facts and common sense? ignorant because of the facts that my posts state (most of which are quotes from scientists)
I think the real reason for the rage is fear of being proved wrong.
whats this about fish with arms? why is there only one? oh well, i will look into that
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Originally posted by Clowd
I think the real reason for the rage is fear of being proved wrong.
Oh is that why? I\'d been wondering why you are so angry all the time.
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Originally posted by Tom G
All I wanted to know was why does something so powerful just let his creations run amuck(sp?)? He could just be like, twitching his nose or whatever, and then "bing", we\'re all saints, just like you Clowd! But instead of anything new, you answer with the same old "God works in mysterious ways" answer.
And both you and PSXXX aren\'t gonna change the mind of the whole board. But I\'d be more inclined to listen to PSXXX, \'cuz at least he listens and doesn\'t consider people who don\'t agree with him to be idiots and whatnot.
No im not going to answer with your sterotypical God works in mysterious ways...
Thats not how God works, the laws have been set, you sin, you must pay for your sins, theres no easy ride out of it like you want.
Of course me and PSXXX arent going to change the minds of you 5-6 atheists, but he will stop your senseless bashing of my posts. And who knows? Maybe you will actually read them without immedatly trashing them.
PSXXX listens to people who dont agree with him? I dont? When did I not agree with you on something that isnt a theory? Im not willing to listen? Look in the mirror, all of you atheists
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Clowd..no, you posted QUESTIONABLE facts, if thats what you want to call them. An old saying go\'s..show me one study and I\'ll show you another that disproves you.
Almost everything can be proved and disproved..but evolution vs. creation CAN NOT as of yet.
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Ya know what\'s teh funneh! Clowd keeps going back to this singular book called the bible for all his "answers"... and feels so confident in those "answers" that he thinks he can call other members here blind morons.
Yet, point to ANY singular text that has survived for as long as the bible has.. that has been traslated as much as the bible has.. that has been rewritten as much as the bible has.. and that held a postition of power and autority as great as the bible has.. and managed to stay verbatum to the original through all of that... then perhaps.. maybe I\'ll take your word that the bible is a source of truth greater than science.
You already know the bible has been changed multiple times.. you need not look any farther than the factioning of the christian church, not to mention documented proof since the vatican often changes "gods law" to suit their own ideas of what it needs to say. A prime example of this would be durring the renessaunce when the idea of a place called Pergatory was introduced.
Your book is flawed Clowd, by the mistake of leaving it in man\'s hands, and therefore.. so is your logic.
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There is no way anyone can be so bizarre. You have to be a troll.
You have not given one fact what so ever. You have stated many opinions though. Really bizarre ones at that.
coo coo, coo coo
Can you please give me all your facts so I don\'t have to go through and read through all the crap.
And anything in the bible that you are siting as fact is a total waste of my time. It was a book written by a bunch of people doing acid. Get over it bro.
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Originally posted by Tom G
Oh is that why? I\'d been wondering why you are so angry all the time.
Why am I so angry? You cant be serious. Do I run around calling your posts ignorant? Do I run around saying your making yourself look like a ***? Do I run around calling members of the boards childish names?
Most of the people I have debated with had said this, yet Im the one with the anger problem.
Tell me, do I get angry with you or do people get angry with me?
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Originally posted by Clowd
No im not going to answer with your sterotypical God works in mysterious ways...
Thats not how God works, the laws have been set, you sin, you must pay for your sins, theres no easy ride out of it like you want.
Of course me and PSXXX arent going to change the minds of you 5-6 atheists, but he will stop your senseless bashing of my posts. And who knows? Maybe you will actually read them without immedatly trashing them.
PSXXX listens to people who dont agree with him? I dont? When did I not agree with you on something that isnt a theory? Im not willing to listen? Look in the mirror, all of you atheists
But thats just it, you\'re not listening (or rather, you\'re not reading) every post. How many questions have you ignored thus far?
Heh. PSXXX, I like your new friend.
;)
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Originally posted by Videoholic
You have not given one fact what so ever. You have stated many opinions though. Really bizarre ones at that.
have you read the left hand right hand amino acids statement yet?
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He ignores all the questions and just throws out bullshizit remarks here and there. Clowd, you must be a politician.
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Originally posted by Tom G
But thats just it, you\'re not listening (or rather, you\'re not reading) every post. How many questions have you ignored thus far?
Heh. PSXXX, I like your new friend.
;)
Give me a list of questions that I have ignored and they will be replied to as soon as I got time.
I havent remembered all the facts to support creation, but I have named multiple that kill evolution. But like I said, some of creation is common sense, how does an eye evolve? Darwin dismissed that it did. In case you dont know hes the father of evolution
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Originally posted by Clowd
Why am I so angry? You cant be serious. Do I run around calling your posts ignorant? Do I run around saying your making yourself look like a ***? Do I run around calling members of the boards childish names?
Um, yeah. Some that stick out fresh in my mind are:
"As long as they can feed off each other like parasites, their consistancy of calling my posts ignorant will continue. Its really pathetic."
"And all your little smart remarks make you look immature. "
And my personal fav...
"I will tell you this, like how the bible puts it, if you dont believe in God you are stupid. "
Heh, heh...
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Originally posted by Videoholic
He ignores all the questions and just throws out bullshizit remarks here and there. Clowd, you must be a politician.
See Clowd, I\'m not the only one who notices. And BTW, I\'m not ignoring your request to post all of the questions you\'ve been ignoring, its just that its a pretty damn long list.
Someone else might.
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Originally posted by Tom G
Um, yeah. Some that stick out freash in my mind are:
"As long as they can feed off each other like parasites, their consistancy of calling my posts ignorant will continue. Its really pathetic."
"And all your little smart remarks make you look immature. "
And my personal fav...
"I will tell you this, like how the bible puts it, if you dont believe in God you are stupid. "
Heh, heh...
The first one is true, you feed off eachother like parasites, gang up on someone whos opinion is un popular, and precede with the senseless bashing. But when the 1 who is being teamed up on gets another member to agree with him, their whole bashing frenzee stops, its a miracle that ive witnessed several times
second, their smart remarks look immature. saying somone has a small penis is about as immature as you get
your personal favorite is a quote from the bible with some of my added touch, it says your a fool in the king james version, not stupid
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I give up, I\'m not posting here anymore, later
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I give up, I\'m not posting here anymore, later
Oh, so soon? That was quick.:rolleyes:
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sorry to dissapoint
if you post some questions i may give them a look
i just find this debate is leading nowhere except to harsh feelings and words, i rather not be part of it
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Sigh...
Look man, I just wanna make it clear that I don\'t dislike you or your views. Just to be clear, okay? We just have different views, and its not often that I get that chance to chat with someone about their religous beliefs. Anyways, C-Ya. ;)
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The thread is 7 pages long.. most of which is either your non-sensical blathering or people responding to it. I think it\'s a little late to back out now.. expecially when you\'ve yet to even prove a point.
But anyhow, as for questions.. I\'d still like an answer to my question of how you can take the bible as a source of truth from god when it has been changed by man so many times.
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OK I\'m back...
If you think Im yet to prove the point, this point takes more then just what a scientist says to prove it to anyone
Sonyfan the bible has been changed by men several times?
How do you know this?
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Go back and read my post and you\'ll see.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Sonyfan the bible has been changed by men several times?
How do you know this?
Besides what sonyfan said, the fact that you have versions of the bible labled "such and such version" is enough to know. If it wasn\'t changed, no need for many different versions right?
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If you think Im yet to prove the point, this point takes more then just what a scientist says to prove it to anyone - Clowd
Yet, you say that you have made points based on the foundation of a ficticious (either partly or wholly is up for debate) book and ambiguous "scientists" while never providing links to their research or thesis on why they believe as such.
Ahem.. again... by your own criteria, where have you yet to prove a point?
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Where\'s the other Christian member that was backed into the corner in the other religion thread?
I\'m not up for debating, but I myself believe in God...
*waits for rocks to be thrown*
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thats it, just fricking splise the evloution theory and creation theory into one and we can all come up with the psx2central theory OK!
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Great, I leave for the night, and the thread gains several pages. Anyway...
Clowd, check your PMs.
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Just so my fellow members know. I don\'t dislike you for a certain belief. I just disike blatant MIS-information and utter BS. I have no problems with any of you that may share a different view point, but I see no reason in spewing things that are simply untrue or plain ol\' moronic.
Just my thoughts. Have a great day.
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yea im with luckee. So if i ever yell, its not because i dislike you, its just cuz i was pissed at something you said. But then again, i dont let thigns get to me like this topic. I am a christian and i believe in god, but i also will repect others opinions and beliefs.
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Originally posted by square_marker
I am a christian and i believe in god, but i also will repect others opinions and beliefs.
See, that\'s exactly what I\'m talking about. While I think this and that, I won\'t get down on you for what you believe..only what you say :D
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Originally posted by luckee
Just so my fellow members know. I don\'t dislike you for a certain belief. I just disike blatant MIS-information and utter BS. I have no problems with any of you that may share a different view point, but I see no reason in spewing things that are simply untrue or plain ol\' moronic.
Just my thoughts. Have a great day.
ditto. I have stated this in the past, and still stand by it
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Why noy cuba... bunch of communist... sorry mm
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ya Clowd, I mostly called you ignorant for all of the "facts" you were putting out. while you may think they are facts i find them to be BS. You can believe what ever the hell you want to believe and likewise for me.
And just so you know, all of the feelings put out in this thread will die with this thread. I wont hold a grudge on you in other parts of the forum just becuase of this thread...unlike the treatment some other members give another member on this board.......
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Ok.
THIS has to be the biggest piece of non-sense crap I\'ve never read on this board PERIOD
C\'mon, say goodbye to the real world and come with Tinker Bell and me to Neverland. This time we\'re gonna catch that friggin shadow, that\'s for sure!!
:bounce:
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Boy that meteor sure did come close.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Boy that meteor sure did come close.
:laughing:
Lol, that made me crack up.
funny where this thread went from one of Vid\'s news threads.
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wait, did I miss a fight or something... in one post or less, sum up what happened.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Boy that meteor sure did come close.
it sure did. I\'m just glad it didnt hit us, coz otherwise i wouldnt have been able to enjoy this thread.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
wait, did I miss a fight or something... in one post or less, sum up what happened.
Kimahri right, Clowd wrong.
j/k......
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
wait, did I miss a fight or something... in one post or less, sum up what happened.
basically vid posted an artice about a meteor that just missed the earth, then clowd comes along and claims to know everything!!!11 he later starts to try and prove creationism now once this happens all hell breaks loose and the aftermath is this 7 page long thread.
also LOL at kimharis post:laughing:.
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Originally posted by Tyrant_246
basically vid posted an artice about a meteor that just missed the earth, then clowd comes along and claims to know everything!!!11 he later starts to try and prove creationism now once this happens all hell breaks loose and the aftermath is this 7 page long thread.
also LOL at kimharis post:laughing:.
Yep, basically they had Clowd cornered and from what I read, he did pretty well. He didn\'t burst and act like an idiot, he tried his best..
Oh yea, speaking of the meteor.. I heard it was big. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by serrano007
Yep, basically they had Clowd cornered and from what I read, he did pretty well. He didn\'t burst and act like an idiot, he tried his best..
Oh yea, speaking of the meteor.. I heard it was big. :rolleyes:
He didn\'t??? Were we reading the same post?
1: He didn\'t do well
2: He did act like an idiot which is why he was called numerous names..numerous times.
3: If that was his best, i should leave these forums and not look back
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1. He did well in my opinion, considering he was by himself
2. At least he didn\'t START the name-calling...
3. Go ahead, as long as you buy me some pimpwar turns :thepimp:
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Actually I think Racer did a better job of convincing me that we lived with the dinosaurs and that they were on the arc than Clowd did here.
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is clowd really gone?? That soon??? I mean he was posting like there was no tomorrow!
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Clowd, what religion are you by the way?
My view on how life began. I believe a couple things. Not sure which one I believe strongly about. It is entirely possible that bacteria did come in on an asteroid. They can survive some quite harsh conditions. They landed somewhere where there was plenty of food and life started that way.
I learned this theory at school. The conditions on the primitive earth were favorable to making the first organic molecules. Ok, now this has been proven in the lab (organic material has been made with the materials in the primitive earth). On the earth billions of years ago were things like water, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, sulfer, ect. When a spark of lighting hit the oceans, it set up a reaction and that\'s how life could have started. I threw out my notes so I don\'t remember what the theory was called exactly. One of those two I believe. The asteroid one does seem quite plausible.
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do you know what kind of PAnic that would have caused if they told us right when they knew it was that close???????? and ther is no Actual way off the planet we would have been all dead and/or the weather would have changed due to all the crap in the atomosphere!
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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wow, it seems that anyone heard about scientists creating "life" in laboratories. Thanx Titan :p
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Originally posted by Videoholic
What else can explain Moses parting the red sea or noah\'s arc.
Has anyone explained how he got the dinosaurs on the arc?
How can you explain moses parting the red sea?
Archeaoligists have found the remains of chairots and chariot wheels in the red sea. How did they get in the middle of the red sea?
how did dinosaurs get on the ark? they didnt. thats when they went exticnt, not an asteroid
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Titan Adan Killax, lightning in the primitive atmosphere was constant. If Miller left lightning on the amino acids they would have been killed, but he turned it off. Evolution states the aminio acids were created in the clouds, and fell to the ocean and formed in the primitive ocean, (which favors DEpolymerization) Evolutionists are still trying to figure out how to get over this road block, but they cant.
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Originally posted by Adan
wow, it seems that anyone heard about scientists creating "life" in laboratories. Thanx Titan :p
They only created organic materials, NOT life. It would take a billion years (possibly) to create a cell.
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Originally posted by Titan
They only created organic materials, NOT life. It would take a billion years (possibly) to create a cell.
They said the cells created them selves and formed in the primitive ocean, which favors DEpolymerization, how easy is it for stuff to stick together in the primitive ocean?
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Interesting topic, I cant comment on it right now. I give my thoughts on this later today.
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Originally posted by Clowd
How can you explain moses parting the red sea?
Archeaoligists have found the remains of chairots and chariot wheels in the red sea. How did they get in the middle of the red sea?
how did dinosaurs get on the ark? they didnt. thats when they went exticnt, not an asteroid
Moses parted the Reed Sea, not the Red Sea. It was a mistransaltion from the Jewish Bible.
The chariots could have been on a ship and it sunk.
The dinosaurs went extint 64 million years ago, not when Noah was on the ark 3,000 years ago.
Clowd, don\'t tell me you believe in Creationism.
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Originally posted by Clowd
They said the cells created them selves and formed in the primitive ocean, which favors DEpolymerization, how easy is it for stuff to stick together in the primitive ocean?
Read my post more carefully. Maybe organic materials weren\'t in an ocean. Maybe it was a lake or pond or something. I messed up a bit. I meant to say in a body of water.
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Originally posted by Titan
They only created organic materials, NOT life. It would take a billion years (possibly) to create a cell.
I put LIFE into quotation mark. I know that the "life" created wasn\'t a cat, or a dog, obviously.
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Originally posted by Titan
Moses parted the Reed Sea, not the Red Sea. It was a mistransaltion from the Jewish Bible.
The chariots could have been on a ship and it sunk.
The dinosaurs went extint 64 million years ago, not when Noah was on the ark 3,000 years ago.
Clowd, don\'t tell me you believe in Creationism.
Mistransalation? lol
Chariots on a ship? Im sorry but I dont remember the Egyptian war machine using ships to transport chariots...
Dinosaurs extinct 64 million years ago? Dont believe everything scientists say. They say humans were on the earth for millions of years, but with no proof to back it up.
And Moses was something like 10000 years ago
Whats so wrong in believing in creationism? I can reply to all you say but you cant to mine = creationism is correct
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They 64 million years so it can correspond with their evolution theory
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Originally posted by Adan
I put LIFE into quotation mark. I know that the "life" created wasn\'t a cat, or a dog, obviously.
Whoops :laughing: I thought you were saying that they created cells.
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Originally posted by Titan
Read my post more carefully. Maybe organic materials weren\'t in an ocean. Maybe it was a lake or pond or something. I messed up a bit. I meant to say in a body of water.
Doesnt matter, water DEpolymerizes, plus evolution claims it sprung out a TON of life, more then what can fit a simple lake, a ocean is needed for the amount of life it said sprung from the water.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Mistransalation? lol
Chariots on a ship? Im sorry but I dont remember the Egyptian war machine using ships to transport chariots...
Dinosaurs extinct 64 million years ago? Dont believe everything scientists say. They say humans were on the earth for millions of years, but with no proof to back it up.
And Moses was something like 10000 years ago
Whats so wrong in believing in creationism? I can reply to all you say but you cant to mine = creationism is correct
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They 64 million years so it can correspond with their evolution theory
Can you say carbon dating? They use the decay of carbon to determine how old something is. It is VERY accurate.
Humanlike creatures were on the earth millions of years ago. Our ancestors were on the earth millions of years ago. Homo Habillus, Homo Erectus, Java Man, Australopithuses all are premanlike creatures who are THOUGHT to be our ancestors.
The mistranslation is true. The Hebrew word was mistranslated when it was being translated to the modern languages. The Red sea is only an oral tradition
Creationism is not correct. It\'s only a belief. Evolution is not a fact. It is only a belief. But through fossils and tools found, I think that we are evolving. Believe the wrong thing if you want.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Doesnt matter, water DEpolymerizes, plus evolution claims it sprung out a TON of life, more then what can fit a simple lake, a ocean is needed for the amount of life it said sprung from the water.
I don\'t believe that life just sprung out with tons of cells. I believe it started out as a few cells and evolved into protists, then multicellular organisms. Although it is just a theory. Don\'t take it as true.
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Here is proof of evolution:
The HIV virus is a very interesting virus in a evolutionery way. We all know that there exists medicins that can stop the HIV virus from spreading so fast in the body. The problem is that the medicne only works for some months and then you have to take another medicine. Why is this so? The HIV virus evolves in accordance with C.D theory of natural selection. A patient that has the HIV virus has 2 different viruses. The dominating HIV (A) virus and another virus HIV (B). When we use medicine on a patient with HIV (A), the medicine kills the A virus but when we do this the B virus becomes the dominating virus because B is now the most adapted virus to the body. So after a couple of month the medicine has now killed almost every A virus but the patient becomes infected again because the medicine doesn´t work on virus B that has now becomed the dominating virus because it is more suitible for the host. Now we have to use 2 medicines to keep the patient alive. One to fight the A virus and one to fight the B virus but when we use this 2 medicines a third virus becomes dominating in the body (A mutated version of the A virus that survided the first medicine), a.s.o Today we have 16 medicines to fight HIV. But when we come to mutation 17 there is nothing to stop the virus. We have actually created new viruses.
Back in 1997 a young scientist came up with a very interesting theory. He based his theory on natural selection and thought that if A is the most adapted virus to live in a human body and B is the most adapted virus to live in the body when the body has been treaten with medicine why not stop with medicine when virus B has becomed the dominating virus in the body. If we do this the natural selection would make the A virus the dominating virus again because it is the most adpted virus for a body that is not treaten with medicine. So a patient that had used all 14 medicines (back in 1997) bought this concept and stopped using medicine. After 6 weeks they did a test on him and they did now belive the results. Virus A was now the dominating virus again!!! So now they could use the original medicine on the patient again.
So when the B virus becomes the dominating virus after the medicine has almost eliminated the A virus we stop using medicine on the patient. The new enviroment in the body after using medicine is more suitible for the B virus but if we stop using medicine the A virus is the most siutible virus and will eliminate the B virus that is not suitible for the enviroment.
This people is true evolution!!!!
If this can not prove evolution nothing can!!!
This is a obviously proof of evolution.
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Well said Bossieman, well said.
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Its interesting that today in the year 2002 people still belives that God created earth and humans and everything.
Even when humans discovers aminoacid on other planets, religios people will still claim its God. Just like Earth is flat and not round. We should be very happy that religion has a smaller affect nowadays than a couple of hundreds years back.
Scientist uses methods to determinate how long time ago things happened. They use Uran 238 And Thorium to find out that the oldest stars in universe is 14 billion years old.
What is this topic about? If evolution is true or is it about a God created everything??
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That is far from proof...here why
Talk all you want about that, but it still doesnt explain how it arrived
Thank You for the very educating article on how AIDS attacks its victims. It doesnt seem to be more then that.
What is this suppose to prove? Survival of the fitest? The scientists made the conditions more favorable to B, and B thrived. How does this prove evolution, please explain bossieman
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Its interesting that today in the year 2002 people still belives that God created earth and humans and everything.
Even when humans discovers aminoacid on other planets, religios people will still claim its God. Just like Earth is flat and not round. We should be very happy that religion has a smaller affect nowadays than a couple of hundreds years back.
Scientist uses methods to determinate how long time ago things happened. They use Uran 238 And Thorium to find out that the oldest stars in universe is 14 billion years old.
What is this topic about? If evolution is true or is it about a God created everything??
Well said. You shoulda been here earlier :)
The topic was basically about if God created everything. Clowd claimed that he could prove creationism to us all.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Its interesting that today in the year 2002 people still belives that God created earth and humans and everything.
Even when humans discovers aminoacid on other planets, religios people will still claim its God. Just like Earth is flat and not round. We should be very happy that religion has a smaller affect nowadays than a couple of hundreds years back.
Scientist uses methods to determinate how long time ago things happened. They use Uran 238 And Thorium to find out that the oldest stars in universe is 14 billion years old.
What is this topic about? If evolution is true or is it about a God created everything??
What do you mean religion said the earth was flat? In the bible it says : The earth is a sphere, and it hans upon nothing. If you want the scriptures I\'ll go get them
Of course the universe is billions of years old... , look the scientists made up hte 64 million year thing to correspond with evolution, they cant prove it, like they cant prove million year old humans
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Science didnt find amino acids on another planet...
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As for me not being able to prove creation, look, if you werent taught in school evolution (the reason why creation isnt taught anymore is seperation of church and state, NOT evolution is the right way) right now you would be wondering, what is the meaning of life? Who is my creator?
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No I wouldn\'t. I have something else besides school telling me there is no God. It\'s called common sense.
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Originally posted by Clowd
How does this prove evolution, please explain bossieman
As I stated this proves that the must adaptive virus becomes the most dominating in the host.
An other example is bacteria. You kill bacteria with antibiotica. The problem with A-B is that bacteria has a very simple DNA structure. This makes bacteria very good on mutation. So when we use antibiotics on bacteria a small amount of bacteria survises (due to mutation). This bacteria has to be killed with an other type of A-B. But nature always evolves faster than we create new A-B.
Today in the year 2002 bacteria has evolved the last 50 years so fast that a lot of A-B doesnt work at all. Why do you think that A-B doesnt work on a specific bacteria?? A-B worked on the bacteria 40 years ago but it doesnt work anymore, WHY???? Don´t you find that strange?Well the answer is very simple, the bacteria that causes a certain illness has mutated and is now resistent to ur A-B.
This is evolution and it is happening around us as we speak.
You can ask any Doctor or biologiest and they will all give you the same answer. Bacteria has evolved so fast that we can barely fight it anymore. Soon we will not have A-B because its useless, bacteria has mutated and evolved.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
No I wouldn\'t. I have something else besides school telling me there is no God. It\'s called common sense.
common sense?
do you think albert einstein has common sense?
your common sense thinks the eye evolved
your common sense thinks the brain evolved
your common sense says this was put in perfect order on the human body
your common sense says feelings, thoughts, wondering about the meaning of life, is all because you just evolved higher then everyone.
your common sense says animals still need to evolve
your common sense denys the giraffe, with its incredible heart, the wood pecker with its incredible wrapping behind the skull tongue, that one bug that shoots that acid, oh if you only knew what goes on inside it to create that acid, what has to happen to stop the bug from exploding itself
your common sense believes in the odds of a printing shop blowing up and resulting in an unabridged dictionary
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Originally posted by Clowd
Science didnt find amino acids on another planet...
I said "when"
Originally posted by Clowd
In the bible it says : The earth is a sphere, and it hans upon nothing
Can you give me the Page number or chapter, I will check this up.
Can U please give me this so I can check it up?
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Originally posted by Clowd
common sense?
do you think albert einstein has common sense?
your common sense thinks the eye evolved
your common sense thinks the brain evolved
your common sense says this was put in perfect order on the human body
your common sense says feelings, thoughts, wondering about the meaning of life, is all because you just evolved higher then everyone.
your common sense says animals still need to evolve
your common sense denys the giraffe, with its incredible heart, the wood pecker with its incredible wrapping behind the skull tongue, that one bug that shoots that acid, oh if you only knew what goes on inside it to create that acid, what has to happen to stop the bug from exploding itself
your common sense believes in the odds of a printing shop blowing up and resulting in an unabridged dictionary
Pretty much, yes. Although, I do not think the human body is in perfect order. That\'s why you get things like clogged arteries, heart conditions, etc. There is always room for improvement, and as long as that is true, evolution should continue.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
As I stated this proves that the must adaptive virus becomes the most dominating in the host.
An other example is bacteria. You kill bacteria with antibiotica. The problem with A-B is that bacteria has a very simple DNA structure. This makes bacteria very good on mutation. So when we use antibiotics on bacteria a small amount of bacteria survises (due to mutation). This bacteria has to be killed with an other type of A-B. But nature always evolves faster than we create new A-B.
Today in the year 2002 bacteria has evolved the last 50 years so fast that a lot of A-B doesnt work at all. Why do you think that A-B doesnt work on a specific bacteria?? A-B worked on the bacteria 40 years ago but it doesnt work anymore, WHY???? Don´t you find that strange?Well the answer is very simple, the bacteria that causes a certain illness has mutated and is now resistent to ur A-B.
This is evolution and it is happening around us as we speak.
You can ask any Doctor or biologiest and they will all give you the same answer. Bacteria has evolved so fast that we can barely fight it anymore. Soon we will not have A-B because its useless, bacteria has mutated and evolved.
ok bacteria mutates, but this doesnt prove evolution. what is it mutating to? just different types of the same thing. until it creates a new bacteria, this isnt proof of anything
Give evolution a foundation (how a cell got formed and multiplied and and came together to create a lifeform)
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Evolution, simplified, is just what bossieman explained. Some of the species mutates to become better fit for the conditions (that clearly happens here). Then the ones that don\'t mutate die out, and the ones that do live on (survival of the fittest). After that, the mutated species reproduces, making the mutation a norm (evolution). What is there to deny?
The beginning of life has little to do with evolution. That\'s why many people believe in creationism followed by evolution. Evolution just shows how things progress and improve.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Pretty much, yes. Although, I do not think the human body is in perfect order. That\'s why you get things like clogged arteries, heart conditions, etc. There is always room for improvement, and as long as that is true, evolution should continue.
What I mean by perfect order is the legs are in the right place, they arent sticking our of your head.
Clooged arteries are caused by eating the wrong foods.
What do you mean by heart condition?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Evolution, simplified, is just what bossieman explained. Some of the species mutates to become better fit for the conditions (that clearly happens here). Then the ones that don\'t mutate die out, and the ones that do live on (survival of the fittest). After that, the mutated species reproduces, making the mutation a norm (evolution). What is there to deny?
The beginning of life has little to do with evolution. That\'s why many people believe in creationism followed by evolution. Evolution just shows how things progress and improve.
Again your not proving anything except that bacteria mutates into different versions OF ITSELF. It doesnt become anything new
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Can you give me the Page number or chapter, I will check this up.
Can U please give me this so I can check it up?
I\'ll go look it up, but I will have it for you
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Clowd. What is your point? Do you want us too think that a God created the universe and life on this planet?
Well when we clone organs and cells scientists creates life. Has nothing to do with God. Just molecules and atoms. The more we learn about nature the more we can create. We can easily change and create life as we want. we can even clone humans.
Humans can have a pigs hearth and live a normal life. We inject pig cells into the human brain too cure altzeimers and other sicknesses.
Your instincts, your hair on the body, the way you react on light, danger and other things are all caused by evolution.
And evolution is caused by alpha and beta and neutrino rays from universe. Without this rays evolution would never happen.
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Actually, your arteries, regardless of what you eat, slowly get more and more clogged. What you eat just helps to determine how rapidly.
And if we had legs on our head, we\'d just walk upside down. :)
Evolution provides plenty to explain why worse traits, such as legs on someones head, would never last.
As for heart conditions, many people have bad hearts, etc. CardioPulminary conditions are the largest killer of adults, I believe. Maybe we could evolve to have stronger hearts. This would help us to live longer.
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Shockwaves you bring up an excellent pro creationism point. Why do humans die? Scientists do not know. And its not always the heart. The scientists say for some reason at around 34 the body just starts to die...cell reproduction starts to slow..
What causes the perfect body to start to die? Sin
As for the bodys arteries clogging, true, the body imperfect because of sin, that is why some are born blind, etc.
Bossieman I want you to believe God created life on earth and the universe.
Your cloning is simply that, cloning. You cant create a cell by yourself. You cant create a human by yourself. I would like to see you take materials from the earth and make a cell.
Your not \'creating\' life.
EDIT: If you could create life, why cant you bring people back from the dead? Just fix the hole in the lungs and they should be right back on their feet? No.
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At the basis of everything, we are just atoms. If we learn to manipulate them correctly, there\'s no reason we can\'t create a cell.
If we start to die at 34 because of sin, then why is there such a standard age? Hell, my grandmother on my dads side was the most religious person in the family, and died at 60 something from cancer. My grandfather on that side is an atheist, and he is still alive at 98.
And how can some be born blind due to sin? How could they have sinned before birth?
As for wanting people to believe in creationism, that won\'t happen in this thread. Especially with how you\'re arguing it.
And there is a difference between creating life from the start and recreating life. When someone dies, their cells die. We can\'t bring the same ones back to life, so the same person couldn\'t be brought back to life.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
At the basis of everything, we are just atoms. If we learn to manipulate them correctly, there\'s no reason we can\'t create a cell.
If we start to die at 34 because of sin, then why is there such a standard age? Hell, my grandmother on my dads side was the most religious person in the family, and died at 60 something from cancer. My grandfather on that side is an atheist, and he is still alive at 98.
And how can some be born blind due to sin? How could they have sinned before birth?
As for wanting people to believe in creationism, that won\'t happen in this thread. Especially with how you\'re arguing it.
And there is a difference between creating life from the start and recreating life. When someone dies, their cells die. We can\'t bring the same ones back to life, so the same person couldn\'t be brought back to life.
Sin is passed down to all mankind through Adam and Eve
Dont ask me about the 30-35 age, its just that way, what if you started to die at 10-15?
As for you grand mother, she will be remembered.
Im sorry, how is my argument not wanting you to believe in creationism? Please tell me so I can stop doing whatever it is im doing (Im not being sarcastic)
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I have to go now, but I will reply more later (tomorrow maybe).
I do respect your opinion but I dont agree with you.
But as for mutation and evolution i have proven your wrong. I have proven that evolution happens and I can give you more example.
But for some evolution means one thimg and for another one something completely different.
For you it might not be enough proof to convince you, but is there anything that can convince you that evolution is happening everywhere.
A random change in the DNA and RNA structure caused by alpha, beta and neutrino rays is EVOLUTION. This happens all the time because of the Background radiation so that proves evolution.
We do know that this is happening all the time. So the question should be:
Ok, we know that mutation happens all the time because we can study DNA and see what happens with it when it get hit by lets say a helium core. But is this enough to explain the complicated structure in life?
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Originally posted by Clowd
Im sorry, how is my argument not wanting you to believe in creationism? Please tell me so I can stop doing whatever it is im doing (Im not being sarcastic)
It\'s just that you can\'t hope to change such strong views over a message board in this manner. It has been tried many times, and never works. Just leads to arguements and frustration. And your arguement was also based largely on what you found to be common sense. You have to remember that if people don\'t believe in such things, they won\'t find any of your arguement to be common sense. Find hard facts, and sources to back them up.
I was just here to prove that you couldn\'t prove creationism. I think that has clearly been shown so far.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Again your not proving anything except that bacteria mutates into different versions OF ITSELF. It doesnt become anything new
and how do you define new? when is it new? Is it when we give it another name?
do you see where I\'m getting? if that bacteria changes one time, you don\'t call it new, but what if it changes a 1000 times throughout time? Is it still just the same bacteria?
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Originally posted by Bossieman
when we clone organs and cells scientists creates life. Has nothing to do with God.
well in all honesty, creationists would argue that god created man with the brain power to one day take over where he left off.
Again, evolutionists would argue that the bible commands the creationists to only have one god, and it would be against everything the creationists believe in.
Thus producing the fact that this thread is an endless struggle with both sides believe what they want. People take one side so strongly that it is impossible to prove the other wrong.
Growing up i have been a catholic. Now let us pretend that a thread was created here which told me different of what i have been taught all my life. Do you think for one minute that i will give the argument up and agree with an evolutionist? Of course not! But now since i have developed a mind of my own, i am among the people who can take parts from one and parts from the other and splice together our own theory. But when will we find out the truth? What happens when we die? What if that is it, there isnt anymore? I have raised those questions to my parents, all they reply with is, you werent taught to tihnk that, so therefore you already have a reason you shouldnt be discussing this topic. I think it may scare them more than any of us. To be wrong after all of the preaching.
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Why do you guys even bother. I mean, come on: "What causes the perfect body to start to die? Sin" and "how did dinosaurs get on the ark? they didnt. thats when they went exticnt, not an asteroid"... give me a break.
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Originally posted by square_marker
What happens when we die? What if that is it, there isnt anymore? I have raised those questions to my parents, all they reply with is, you werent taught to tihnk that, so therefore you already have a reason you shouldnt be discussing this topic. I think it may scare them more than any of us. To be wrong after all of the preaching.
How about this. When I die, if I go to Hell or Heaven or whatever, I\'ll come back and tell you about it. If you don\'t hear from me, then that means neither exists, and I simply died. :)
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Originally posted by Clowd
How can you explain moses parting the red sea?
The parting of the red sea could have easily been over exagerated like many other bible stories. For example..high and low tide..low tide could have been the "parting"
Chariots on a ship? Im sorry but I dont remember the Egyptian war machine using ships to transport chariots...
So you were there? Hmm..you are one old mofo..
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Clowd.. I\'m still waiting for my answer. Know, that nothing you say afterwards will hold so much as a drop of credibility until you can prove that your version of the bible was written directly by god\'s hand and unchanged through the millenia. Prove that the bible hasn\'t been altered by man\'s hand. I dare you.
In fact, I\'ll give you an easy out... Simply find a traslation of the Dead Sea scrolls (The oldest known biblical documentation, dating back some 200 years AD) and compair it to your version. If they are verbatium in their messages and their meaning.. then I\'ll back off.
Until you do, nothing you say which correseponds to the bible can be taken even remotely seriously. 100 years of science has given us computers, modern medicine, telephones, automobiles, space travel.. ect. In 4000 years, religeon has given us: Terroism, Dictators, Holy Wars, and little else aside from spiritual complacency and perhaps the "fear of god" which keeps some people in check.
The burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.
For the record, I do believe in god. I am an unorthadox Roman Catholic, but I cannot swallow the pure falsehoods that my church tries to feed me. I believe there is both a place for god and science, and until we have a complete and comprehensive understanding of god, there is always going to be mystery surrounding the issue. Until that time my beliefs will remain as such.. MY beliefs.. and are not to be pushed on other people.. expecially when I lack proof to back them up.
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SO like when the meteor entered the earth\'s atmosphere it would burn up, but how much of a meteor the size of a football field going to be when it reaches earth.
Oh yea, and Clowd, could you answer SonyFan\'s question as well.
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Originally posted by Clowd
What causes the perfect body to start to die? Sin
As for the bodys arteries clogging, true, the body imperfect because of sin, that is why some are born blind, etc.
Bossieman I want you to believe God created life on earth and the universe.
Your cloning is simply that, cloning. You cant create a cell by yourself. You cant create a human by yourself. I would like to see you take materials from the earth and make a cell.
Your not \'creating\' life.
EDIT: If you could create life, why cant you bring people back from the dead? Just fix the hole in the lungs and they should be right back on their feet? No.
So what your saying is that if I were to sin like there\'s no tomorrow, I will die in a year? If someone didn\'t sin, they live forever? That doesn\'t make sense. My grandfather was very religious. He sined very minimally. So your saying when he died in his 70s, he sinned? That is not remotely true.
When people are dead, they\'re brains are dead. The reason we can\'t bring them back from the dead is first their brains are decomposed and their nerves and everything are dead. Since the nerves are dead, the brain is gone forever since your brain is a big ball of nerves.
When you clone someone, you are creating something. You are creating a life. When you have sex and your girlfriend gets pregnant, life is created. We create life all the time.
God didn\'t create the earth, the galaxies and all of the other planets and star systems. How could anything do that in 7 days? It\'s impossible. When the Big Bang happened billions of years ago, it took billions and billions of years to form a star and planets orbiting around it. If life is found on Mars or another planet, your going to say that God went to that planet and created life? What about methane and water and the atmosphere on other planets. Your going to say that God went there and created those things?
All a sin really is is when a person does something wrong and the person knows it. God doesn\'t punish you because you sin. You get obsolved. God is very forgiving (oh, by the way, I\'m catholic and go to church almost every Sunday). He always forgives the person for the wrong things they\'ve done. What the hell do you think confession is for? Absolving your sins.
Clowd, you will never get Bossie to believe in God. He is a scientist. He knows what he\'s talking about.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
SO like when the meteor entered the earth\'s atmosphere it would burn up, but how much of a meteor the size of a football field going to be when it reaches earth.
It would be quite small. It wouldn\'t do any major damage except a crater in the Earth. During World War 1 or 2 (I don\'t remember), a big meteor hit the earth in like Russia or something around there. Left a big crater and we didn\'t even know about it until after the war. Unless the meteor hit a city (bye bye people), it wouldn\'t have too much damage. If it hit a city, the death toll would be friggin high. The whole city would be a huge crater.
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I have given facts that creation exists. The giraffe, and wood pecker are facts, the left hand right hand are facts, ill get more in a bit.. But ill say it again, creation is also just looking outside and saying, this just couldnt come by chance.
Polite pet
Its nothing new. Your post just proved my point. It mutates, but its still AIDs. Evolution states everything came from a fish. Trying to compare an aids virus that mutated to a fish changing into a land reptile is not aplicable.
Sonyfan
Some scrolls are left of the original bible, and most of the transalations say basically the same thing. I can see why your faith is wavering, lots of churches are saying total falsehoods, even changing bible scriptures to meet what they teach. God will intervene soon.
You are also right in that religion has been the cause of all blood spilt on the earth.
Titan
God didnt create the universe in 7 days. You cant take 7 days literally. Remember a day to God is different then a day to a human. Example, you could say : in my grand father\'s day, or in the day of the atari. It doesnt matter how much you sin. You were born with sin. If you were born and kept in a small room and never did anything bad, you would still grow old and die. How long you live is really depened on your lifestyle
Samwise
The asteroid theory is slowly going down the toilet, the theory of a flood is taking its place. Believe it or not.
Bossieman
You wanted the scriptures from the bible and here they are
The earth hangs upon nothing - Job 26:7
The earth is a circle - Isaiah 40:22
So far you have been the only one who has given scientific facts that are suppose to support evolution. You also seem reasonable to discuss facts rather then immediatly dismiss them.
The father of evolution agrees there are holes in his theory, so why cant everyone?
EDIT: Titan I wont be able to change bossimans mind because hes a scientist? That may be the one reason why I may be able to. You on the other hand seem to be stuck on what you learnt in high school text books. You dont go out and research things.
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Sin is our punishment for letting things get out of hand. I mean, we kept building bigger and BIGGER machina! Huge machina weapons and cities built over the water. Sin appeared during the wars we caused. Sin will go away once we atone for our sins!
Er, never mind.
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Originally posted by Tom G
Sin is our punishment for letting things get out of hand. I mean, we kept building bigger and BIGGER machina! Huge machina weapons and cities built over the water. Sin appeared during the wars we caused. Sin will go away once we atone for our sins!
Er, never mind.
Damn..I wanted to be the one that posted that but couldnt remember the words..so I started a new game of FF to find out..lol
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Whos running now?
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Whaddya mean? Were bringing INTENTIONAL humor to an otherwise boring thread.
C\'mon, if you\'re ever in doubt about religion, play Xenogears. It\'ll explain how god and the world came to be, and the real reason religion was created in the first place.
Alpha Weltall! Omega Weltall! Hoo ah! What more do ya need?
:D
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Originally posted by Clowd
The father of evolution agrees there are holes in his theory, so why cant everyone?
There are holes in both theories..why cant YOU accept that? More so can be proven through science vs. the belief that things were created *poof* just like that.
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*poof* I just farted...
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Originally posted by luckee
There are holes in both theories..why cant YOU accept that? More so can be proven through science vs. the belief that things were created *poof* just like that.
Holes in creation? What are these holes. I want to know.
Things were created with poof? Do you like making fun of yourself? Evolution states the universe *poofed* out of nowhere.
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Alright, now I\'m confused. So God farted and we were born? :confused:
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Originally posted by Tom G
Alright, now I\'m confused. So God farted and we were born? :confused:
Na, according to you something, or rather nothing, exploded and made the universe.
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Exploded, farted, samething. That means that both creationism and evolution begin with gas. Hey, now we can all be friends!
**lifts leg and farts**
Look Clowd, I created man!
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Originally posted by Clowd
Holes in creation? What are these holes. I want to know.
God itself...cannot be touched..seen, heard..smelled, or felt. The fact that people blame and praise something that had NO control over their fortune/mis-fortune.
The fact that proof is relied upon a book that man has written which is very sketchy IMO. IE..the bible. I still would like to know why the need for so many different versions of it. No way in the world the bible could stay remotely accurate after all of the translations and thousands of years.
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Originally posted by luckee
God itself...cannot be touched..seen, heard..smelled, or felt. The fact that people blame and praise something that had NO control over their fortune/mis-fortune.
The fact that proof is relied upon a book that man has written which is very sketchy IMO. IE..the bible. I still would like to know why the need for so many different versions of it. No way in the world the bible could stay remotely accurate after all of the translations and thousands of years.
Gods creation and influence can be seen.
There is different versions of the bible because the bible has no real publisher, if a great book was put out there with no rights to it, people would make their own versions of it left and right (with their own added touches, which is wrong.)
Most of the bible can still be found in scrolls
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But isn\'t that the case with the bible? It has no real publisher, so different versions run abundent.
And whoa...where did the bible come from? Seriously, I don\'t know. Who (supposedly) created it and who keeps it in print today?
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Originally posted by Clowd
Gods creation and influence can be seen.
There is different versions of the bible because the bible has no real publisher, if a great book was put out there with no rights to it, people would make their own versions of it left and right (with their own added touches, which is wrong.)
Most of the bible can still be found in scrolls
How and where? PLease dont say the sky..tree\'s,ppl..etc..b/c untill it is proven that is gods work..dont bother with stating a NON factual statement.
As far as the bibles go. There are numerous occasions when verse\'s between each do not even remotely match. You said it yourself..the bible is a great book of fantastic FICTIONAL stories..nothing more
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Zeus is so cool.
Huh? Wrong god?
Damnit...which freaking religion is right and which are wrong? :mad:
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Originally posted by luckee
How and where? PLease dont say the sky..tree\'s,ppl..etc..b/c untill it is proven that is gods work..dont bother with stating a NON factual statement.
As far as the bibles go. There are numerous occasions when verse\'s between each do not even remotely match. You said it yourself..the bible is a great book of fantastic FICTIONAL stories..nothing more
Im going to say sky trees pple
Some verses dont match because they have been changed to fit that religions belief which is wrong
If my post sounded like I said the bible was a book of fictional stories you mistaken what I posted. I dont believe that, I believe every letter the bible says.
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Once again, you didnt answer anything except to dodge.
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Originally posted by Tom G
Zeus is so cool.
Huh? Wrong god?
Damnit...which freaking religion is right and which are wrong? :mad:
Which religion is right? Find the one that doesnt change the bible, doesnt believe in things that the bible is against, and arent hypocrits, and believe everything the bible says
Find that religion, thtat is the true religion
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Originally posted by luckee
Once again, you didnt answer anything except to dodge.
You said some verses dont remotly match, which versuses are these?
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Originally posted by Clowd
Which religion is right? Find the one that doesnt change the bible, doesnt believe in things that the bible is against, and arent hypocrits, and believe everything the bible says
Find that religion, thtat is the true religion
Jewish?
Lol...wouldn\'t it just be easier to TELL me? You seem to be so sure. What religion are you? Is that the right one? So would that mean all other religions are futile (cept for mormonism, nobody likes that ;) )?
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Originally posted by Clowd
Which religion is right? Find the one that doesnt change the bible, doesnt believe in things that the bible is against, and arent hypocrits, and believe everything the bible says
Find that religion, thtat is the true religion
Bullshi t...In the instance of being nice. The right religion is which ever of the you feel is right for you.
On a personal opinion..no religion is correct. They use false hopes to keep one going. They promote alot of hatred and hypocrisy. Alot of the place are front\'s to just take your dough. A certain religion is full of perverts. Religion is just wrong and crooked for so many reasons to me.
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Originally posted by Clowd
You said some verses dont remotly match, which versuses are these?
If I knew them off hand..Id tell you..so you have to wait untill I serach for em. I also said more than that, but you are dodging as usual..surprise surprise
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Originally posted by Tom G
Jewish?
Lol...wouldn\'t it just be easier to TELL me? You seem to be so sure. What religion are you? Is that the right one? So would that mean all other religions are futile (cept for mormonism, nobody likes that ;) )?
I will tell you that Jews are not Gods people anymore, and havent been for around 1900 years
Prove you have a remote interest in religion
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Meh, i was reading through and i thought the 6th page was last...
*runs*
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Originally posted by Clowd
Prove you have a remote interest in religion
prove anything you say. why should he prove to you he has an intrest in religion?
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Im wondering how everyone on the board thinks bible writers guessed this:
The earth hangs upon nothing - Job 26:7
The earth is a circle - Isaiah 40:22
EDIT: Luckee heres your proof
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Originally posted by Clowd
Im wondering how everyone on the board thinks bible writers guessed this:
The earth hangs upon nothing - Job 26:7
The earth is a circle - Isaiah 40:22
EDIT: Luckee heres your proof
The bible is not proof since it has yet to be proven itself. You should as post the entire verse instead of just a few words. BTW..you of all ppl should know that words written in the bible are often more than ppl assume when read...IE a deeper meaning to them.
Example: "the earth is a circle" can simply mean a life cycle.
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Originally posted by luckee
Example: "the earth is a circle" can simply mean a life cycle.
are you catholic or are you assuming the words of Isaiah
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Originally posted by square_marker
are you catholic or are you assuming the words of Isaiah
Doesnt matter..if you go re-read, you will see im not assuming but mearly making an example as I stated.
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Here is my argument against creationism.
Why didn\'t God make all women like this?
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good point :laughing:
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Ya, and how come my Penis is so much larger that other males?
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Originally posted by Kimahri
Ya, and how come my Penis is so much larger that other males?
I say the same thing every day.
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Originally posted by Clowd
I will tell you that Jews are not Gods people anymore, and havent been for around 1900 years
Well fuck you too
:mad:
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Originally posted by Videoholic
I say the same thing every day.
We should be in some sort of club.
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Yeah, and we can think up a cool name for our club like Tribal Dragons or something.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Yeah, and we can think up a cool name for our club like Tribal Dragons or something.
"The Videoholic and Kimahri\'s club for men with insanely large Penis\'s"
I like it.
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can i............wait a sec...............*looks down*.........well yea i can be in it.
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Anyone remember what this thread is about?
Man I have a huge member.
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isnt this the thread where we post pics of hot chicks and talk about how big our penises are? :rolleyes:
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Check this out. Proof of evolution. Let\'s boil up some sea weed balls. Or whatever the heck these things are.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/hampton/06142002/news/9524.htm
Actually these balls are about my size.
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Originally posted by square_marker
isnt this the thread where we post pics of hot chicks and talk about how big our penises are? :rolleyes:
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Man, I have a huge penis.
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*jaw drops*
now thats what god was sopposed to create more of!!
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Originally posted by Kimahri
Man, I have a huge penis.
*jaw drops*
Now that\'s what god was supposed to create more of!
Ya...ya, you\'re right, God should have created more men like me.
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yea more canadaians
aka jr americans l:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by square_marker
yea more canadaians
aka jr americans l:rolleyes:
According to the Simpsons
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what part of canada do you live in?
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Originally posted by square_marker
what part of canada do you live in?
Probably the only part you havent heard of.....Little old Saskatchewan.
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wow, ok nvm, i normally go to toronto every year to see my cousins.
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I registered just so I could post in this thread. It\'s nothing I haven\'t seen before, but it seems the general population of the thread isn\'t too familiar with the enormously tired arguments Clowd\'s been posting.
Clowd, you\'ve been saying you\'ve \'Proved\' creation by posting \'facts.\'
Your \'facts\' consist of bible passages and critiques of evolution using modern-day animals that you see as irreducibly complex.
If you want to prove creation, you do so by showing evidence, from multiple sources, that real-world observations concur with the Creation hypothesis. Criticizing evolution does not prove creation any more than criticizing classical music proves \'N-Sync makes the best music ever made.
You claim Moses wrote the Old Testament--wrong. The authors of the OT are unnamed (well, apart from \'God\') and are generally accepted as stories passed down verbally until written down several thousand years ago. Moses lead the slaves out of Egypt, got God to ruin the nation, recieved the commandments, and lead the Jews around the desert slaughtering pretty much every tribe they came across.
You claim Moses wrote down the \'correct\' order of creation of various Earth and universe features. Tell me, then, why Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 have different orders of creation. Tell me, then, how light can exist without the sun and stars. Tell me, then, how day and night can exist without Earth, the sun, or stars. Tell me, then, how plants can exist without the sun.
You claim the Bible\'s correct because it mentions the Earth hanging in emptiness and that it\'s round. The Bible also mentions corners of the Earth, pillars that support the Earth, and that the Earth is suspended in Firmament along with the rest of creation.
I don\'t feel like doing any more Bible stuff, so I\'ll go to the evolution stuff now.
Care to tell me which scientists are leaning towards a dinosaur-extinguishing flood? Perhaps with references? Or is this just another attempt to make Noah\'s Flood fit into the Earth\'s history?
You seem to misunderstand evolution like the vast majority of all anti-evolution creationists. You seem to think that evolution is a sudden, random process when it\'s anything but. It\'s an enormously slow, progressive process. Mutations tend to be random, yes, but natural selection is the force behind evolution, and it\'s decidedly non-random.
Giraffes, for example. As their necks enlongated throughout the eons (as precursors who could reach higher for food tended to survive better), their hearts grew stronger to pump the blood higher (the ones whose hearts didn\'t, didn\'t make it to adulthood). Soon (in gelogic terms), blood pressure and neck lengths were at a tenuous crossroads. Percursors with longer necks could get more food, but were at more risk of brain damage when their heads were down. Those with the longest necks thus tended to die before they could breed. This became a selection force. Then, there was a mutation. A precursor with some strong valves and a somewhat longer neck was born. This one could reach more food, and wasn\'t at a risk to die from ruptured blood vessels. The traits happened to be heritable, and its children got the long necks and valves. It became self-reinforcing. Nature favored giraffes with longer necks and strong valves.
The same goes for woodpeckers. Some precursor was hatched that could get into tree bark more easily than its peers to get at food. Stronger neck muscles, tougher beak, whatever. The traits were heritable. Its offspring got the stronger necks and beaks.
The eye? Well, seeing as how the eye\'s evolved from scratch many times on this world, and the eye currently exists at virtually all stages of the proposed evolution of the eye, it\'s certainly not irreducibly complex. "Half an eye" (I\'ll assume it\'s a small cup with some refractive fluid in it, without a lens or iris) is significantly better than a light sensitive patch or no eye at all.
Animals, right now, have eyes ranging from light-sensitive patches (Iguanas, for example) to position-sensing cups (starfish) to high-focus eyeballs (the majority of mammals and birds). Computer models have been made, showing rapid (in geologic terms) evolution of a modern eye from a light-sensitive patch with tiny, incremental steps, assuming that any enhancement of clarity is a positive mutation. Evolution of vision is hugely self-enforcing, as it\'s a distinct advantage to virtually anything that develops it.
And, just for the hell of it:
Evolution Evidence vs Creation Evidence (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/Introduction/Evidence.shtml)
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Welcome!
First thing you should know about the forums...no one, and I mean no one can change Clowd\'s mind. :o
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yea i agree with what the new guy said too.
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And the second thing you should learn, Shock is a bastard. Ignore everything he says, or else you will be full of stupidity. ;)
ALL HAIL CLOWD!
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Welcome!
First thing you should know about the forums...no one, and I mean no one can change Clowd\'s mind. :o
cant we all just get along and be happy.
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Oh, believe me, I know. I\'ve dealt with the type for years now.
It\'s just that I\'ve gotten a little rusty (I\'ve begun to ignore ignorance on this scale rather than skewer it), and I felt like I needed a release.
I might not be able to change his mind, but it\'s easy enough to make them retreat completely into faith (or leave the thread entirely), rather than trying miserably to twist science to support his claims.
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He was ignorant in thinking he could prove creationism, not in believing in it. Until something is proven to be false, I don\'t consider it ignorant to believe in it.
People have differing views on things, and that\'s fine. It\'s when they think that theirs is the only correct one with such arrogance, and try to force their beliefs on other that I get annoyed.
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The only way to solve this is to just have people respect the beliefs and opinions of others. Just tell clowd to do so.
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Originally posted by Shadwhawk
Oh, believe me, I know. I\'ve dealt with the type for years now.
It\'s just that I\'ve gotten a little rusty (I\'ve begun to ignore ignorance on this scale rather than skewer it), and I felt like I needed a release.
I might not be able to change his mind, but it\'s easy enough to make them retreat completely into faith (or leave the thread entirely), rather than trying miserably to twist science to support his claims.
Wow man...we\'v been trying forever to explain it to him, and you blow us all away in one thread. My hats off to you. Welcome to the forums! I hope you plan to stay around. :)
BTW, Clowd, that comment about Jewish people was totally f\'ed up and uncalled for. I didn\'t dislike you at first, but I\'m starting to now. :mad:
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Originally posted by Tom G
BTW, Clowd, that comment about Jewish people was totally f\'ed up and uncalled for. I didn\'t dislike you at first, but I\'m starting to now. :mad:
I agree 100%.
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why would it be up to clowd to decide whoses god\'s people are. I was taught that god accepts everything and everyone and is forgiving.
BTW, who are you to make such a bold statment.
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ShadowHawk, that was a brilliant post!! Also like someone else said..no matter how well you explain things to this guy, you are wrong and he is right.
Welcome aboard, I look forward to more of your posts!
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Lmao.....In the link Shadowhawk gave us it have a whole page of evidence for evolution and only a quarter of a page for creationism
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A timely article:
Scientific American\'s 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF)
Shockwave: Oh, sure, he\'s free to believe in it. People are free to believe in ghosts, lighting fires with the mind, alien abductions, John Edward, the UFO behind Hale-Bopp, the divinity of David Koresh, Scientology, last tuesdayism, ESP, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I consider it ignorance to believe in such things.
Yes, it\'s impossible to prove a negative--it\'s only possible to show that a certain thing is extremely unlikely to exist or happen in a particular manner.
If someone really believe that aliens were responsible for the Pyramids, they are, frankly, ignorant. They\'re ignorant on the scale of the Pyramids, they\'re ignorant on the construction methods of the time, they\'re ignorant on the capabilities of the nation at that time.
Clowd\'s ignorant of evolution and science in general.
John Edward fans are ignorant of his methods.
Scientologists are ignorant of...well, they\'re just ignorant. :)
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I will tell you that Jews are not Gods people anymore, and havent been for around 1900 years
I\'m not religious. Everybody knows that by now. But theres no way I\'d ever say anything like that to someone. I don\'t think anybody is dumb for believing religious things. Its their way. And who knows, they might be right.
As for me, I live my live by my own morals, taught unto me by my parents. I treat everyone with the same respect that I expect them to show me. If we have disagreements, then tough titties, move on. I don\'t kill, or have any urge to kill or hurt my fellow mankind. That goes for all races/religions. And I obey the law. I\'m helpful and kind and caring. Not to sound all in love with myself (too late :) ), but i\'m an all around good person. And someones gonna tell me that I\'m going to hell because I\'ve sinned? Psh...
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To say the least, it will be interesting to see what Clowd has to say to ShadowHawks post.
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this guy posted 3 posts....and so far he has supassed my 440 so posts infomation wise.
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Originally posted by square_marker
wow, ok nvm, i normally go to toronto every year to see my cousins.
So have you heard of Saskatchewan?
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no sorry.
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Originally posted by Fayded
To say the least, it will be interesting to see what Clowd has to say to ShadowHawks post.
I can see it now...
"ShadowHawk, you prove nothing. Show me some facts. What facts do I have? The bible, I believe every little thing in it, so therefore, I\'m right and your wrong.
Clowd= 1
ShadowHawk=0
Man, do I have a small penis or what?"
He\'ll just avoid the question with dumb questions of his own, I\'m sure.
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I have, just from the snow birds that come down every winter and insist on driving 15 MPH below the speed limit, turn from the wrong lane, and get in the way basically. Snow birds...
Edit- Tom G...
Of course he will. He is Clowd, nobody can make him look retarded. He will call him childish and such. Oh well...i wonder what goes on in his mind...or maybe not.
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:laughing: nice, ok guys dont u think were kinda be a little to harsh to clowd. He\'ll probably end up leaving this place.
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Originally posted by square_marker
:laughing: nice, ok guys dont u think were kinda be a little to harsh to clowd. He\'ll probably end up leaving this place.
Find me one person who will miss him.
You\'ll have more luck searching for Antlantis.
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*raises hand* I\'ll miss him...
Who else will we make fun of? Well, someone will come along...
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if worse comes to worse...ill lower my standards and you guys can make fun of me. *shows a tear and cheesey music plays*
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Originally posted by Tom G
Clowd= 1
ShadowHawk=0
More like
Clowd=0
Everyone else=7689
:D
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square_marker: Don\'t be too impressed. I got interested in the Evolution vs Creation debate something like 8 years ago, in middle school. I didn\'t know much about the debate then, but I got into a debate with a religious friend of mine in IRC, and that sent me to http://www.talkorigins.org (http://www.talkorigins.org) and I just ate the material up.
Things spiraled from there. Hanging out in alt.atheism for a couple years can teach you the usual Creationist arguments and their counters real fast.
[Edit - fixed auto-linked URL]
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Originally posted by Fayded
[B
Who else will we make fun of? [/B]
racer..vapor.. :D
Old habits are hard to break
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Originally posted by Tom G
I can see it now...
"ShadowHawk, you prove nothing. Show me some facts. What facts do I have? The bible, I believe every little thing in it, so therefore, I\'m right and your wrong.
Clowd= 1
ShadowHawk=0
Man, do I have a small penis or what?"
He\'ll just avoid the question with dumb questions of his own, I\'m sure.
I was thinking of something more along the lines of:
"ShadowHawk must be a Jew. Let\'s ignore him" :rolleyes:
Anyway, ShadowHawk, the way I see it is that the majority of people in the world are religious in one way or another. I don\'t believe in God, but I\'m not arrogant to say that 4 billion people or something are wrong, and ignorant because of it. The examples you cited are all well and good, but they are things that the majority of people don\'t believe in, with a few radical exceptions. The idea of a God is a widely accepted one though. I don\'t think it is for any of us to say that so many people are ignorant because of such beliefs.
Originally posted by Fayded
*raises hand* I\'ll miss him...
Who else will we make fun of? Well, someone will come along...
If you don\'t think there are other good people here to make fun of, you haven\'t been here long enough. Or met Racer for that matter.
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ShadowHawk I love you. All of the information you have posted Has been great.
The questions in the link you provided about the "15 answers to creationism nonsense" is practically all of the answers to the nonsense Clowd has been posting.
What a great read.
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Shockwaves: Well, I\'m something of an anti-religion atheist, so that tends to influence my writings. :)
I don\'t hold grudges against anyone for believing in whatever they want, but it does affect my opinion of them.
And, after all, they think I\'m ignorant for not beliving in God. I\'m just returning the favor. ;)
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:eek: your words.....they have so much meaning behind them.
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Originally posted by Shadwhawk
Shockwaves: Well, I\'m something of an anti-religion atheist, so that tends to influence my writings. :)
I don\'t hold grudges against anyone for believing in whatever they want, but it does affect my opinion of them.
And, after all, they think I\'m ignorant for not beliving in God. I\'m just returning the favor. ;)
Personally, I\'m an atheist, but a very open minded one. I really don\'t care what people believe in, and it doesn\'t have any effect on my opinons on them. People believe what they want to believe, and what they are taught to believe. If I had grown up under different conditions, I very well might be a Christian. Who knows? I think a lot of it has to do with the type of situation you are born into. I\'m not going to hold myself above someone because of the situation of my birth.
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come on, we can do it, we\'ll make this the first 30 page thread. :D
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well so far, this is the lonest one i have been apart of. It;ll grow like 2 more pages when clowd comes back and has seen what we have posted.
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Originally posted by square_marker
well so far, this is the lonest one i have been apart of. It;ll grow like 2 more pages when clowd comes back and has seen what we have posted.
I honestly don\'t know what he can pull out of his ass to cover Shadow\'s posts.
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what do you mean? clowd left!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
what do you mean? clowd left!:rolleyes:
ya well over the course of this post he has said that a couple of times so I still expect him to come back.
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god this is like the fricken never ending story.
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square: Remember, I\'m new here. I can\'t identify sarcasm that easily, this early. :)
I honestly don\'t know what he can pull out of his ass to cover Shadow\'s posts.
I bet I can predict it.
On Moses: "Moses did write the OT!"
On Genesis contradictions: "They don\'t show two different creation sequences; one clarifies the other." "God let plants survive before the sun (there was no death because there was no sin yet), and it\'s day and night because God Said So."
On a corned, pillared, supported Earth: "But the Bible says Earth is round."
On misunderstanding evolution: He\'ll reiterate his earlier points on randomness, blind chance, the unlikeliness of the eye, giraffe, woodpecker, or whatever from evolving, probably toss in a tornado-in-junkyard-making-747 type argument, and say that I\'m just being fed lies by the scientific establishment.
On giraffe, woodpecker, and eye evolution: He will either not address them or will focus on one particular in them and try to pry them apart (I figure he\'ll try arguing against fully-formed valves suddenly appearing in a giraffe\'s neck vessels) and the development of a lens in the eye.
On the URLs pasted: No comment. He won\'t visit them.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
god this is like the fricken never ending story.
Speaking of such...Cory, you remember how long the Word Association topic at the cc ended up getting? I was thinking it was 62 pages, but I\'m not sure. Now that thing was a topic! :)
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Yeah i remember. That was a great topic. Well...a great spam topic. Ahh...
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For some reason, Allashane\'s "sex with dead animals" posts keep popping into my mind when I think about that topic.
The thing grew like a page a day...for two months.
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Do you have a fetish for dead animals?
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Its late, so I will post replys to all your questions and statements tommorow.
You seem still to ignore the left handed right handed scientific fact and make excuses that have to be seen to believe about the other facts that I used to tear apart evolution.
Who is this shadowhawk guy?
The score is 1-0? Your telling me he posted more thats pro evoltion then I did anti-evolution?
Lets think straight here.
I mean you guys post your theory like its fact.
Your still yet to explain to me how life came alive on earth.
Granted I havent posted much pro creation, but you havent any pro evolution, and ive posted a ton of anti-evolution.
I tell you facts and you make up silly excuses for them. I dont when you ask me questions. Why do you make up silly excuses? Because you dont have an answer.
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Originally posted by Clowd
...I mean you guys post your theory like its fact.
You say that....but before you said...
Clowd
I have given facts that creation exists.
Ahh yes. You people can make of it as you like.
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Originally posted by Fayded
Ahh yes. You people can make of it as you like.
Dont annoy me, please. The left handed right handed scientific FACT that I posted is FACT. The bible talking about the earths shape, how it is in the universe is FACT.
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Don\'t annoy you. Ha. Is Clowd gonna get mad? I\'m just stating your mix-up or whatever you wanna call it. I could care less about getting into the argument. Buut...you are wrong. :D
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The fun begins...
Its late, so I will post replys to all your questions and statements tommorow.
You seem still to ignore the left handed right handed scientific fact and make excuses that have to be seen to believe about the other facts that I used to tear apart evolution.
\'left handed right handed scientific fact\'? What the hell does that mean?
You haven\'t posted any \'facts\' that \'tear apart\' evolution: you\'ve posted creationist tract that\'s decades (or in the case of intelligent design, centuries) old.
Who is this shadowhawk guy?
I\'m Shadowhawk. Well, Shadwhawk, but I figured someone already had the full version of my name. Also known as Eric. I\'m 22, I\'m a computer geek, I\'m an anime otaku (I like everything from NGE to Daa! Daa! Daa!, Lain to Love Hina, Vandread to Kareshi Kanojo no Jijyo), I\'m into science, I read sci-fi and manga of all types, listen to techno, console RPG scores, anime music, and some jpop. I\'m a computer technician in the local school district. I play computer and console games, usually RPGs on the console and FPS, flight sim, RTS, and simulation/civ building games on the PC. I\'ve been on the Internet since \'95; started with AOL, moved to Netcom after a couple years, and moved to a local ISP after Netcom got annoying. I\'m a regular in #ppg on EFnet, and am a semi-lurker in alt.startrek.vs.starwars, sci.skeptic, alt.fan.dragonball, and alt.atheism. I frequent kier.3dfrontier.com, squaregamer.com, and gundamshop.com.
That enough for you?
I came to the forum specifically because someone said there was a raw creationist in here. When I saw other regulars didn\'t seem too familiar with the creationist claptrap, I signed up and posted.
The score is 1-0? Your telling me he posted more thats pro evoltion then I did anti-evolution?
Quantity doesn\'t mean quality, Clowd. In fact, it\'s a standard tactic of creationists: the shotgun approach. You throw out dozens of criticisms that take you seconds to type, and you complain when not every single one of them is refuted with a page-and-a-half of typing. It works best in verbal debate, however.
Lets think straight here.
I mean you guys post your theory like its fact.
Read the Scientific American article.
In science, a theory is a widely accepted, heavily tested, continually confirmed hypothesis.
Facts are observations.
Your still yet to explain to me how life came alive on earth.
You\'re talking abiogenesis, not evolution. The two topics are separate. Evolution only matters after life begins.
As for how it began...no one knows for sure. Biochemists have gotten close to creating self-replicating proteins based on Earth\'s previous environmental conditions.
Granted I havent posted much pro creation, but you havent any pro evolution, and ive posted a ton of anti-evolution.
Falsifying evolution doesn\'t automatically make creation true. Your anti-evolution tracts are bland, predictable, and easily refuted.
I tell you facts and you make up silly excuses for them. I dont when you ask me questions. Why do you make up silly excuses? Because you dont have an answer.
Facts like what? What excuses? What questions have you directly answered?
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Originally posted by Clowd
I tell you facts and you make up silly excuses for them. I dont when you ask me questions. Why do you make up silly excuses? Because you dont have an answer.
Go back, and read this thread over. You are doing this more than anyone else. People have provided an incredible amount more for the evolution side of the arguement than for the anti evolution side. People ask you questions, you ignore them. People make points, such as the mudskipper one before which I though was very valid, and you dismiss them or ignore them like that. You have posted as if you have no knowledge of very simple things. Your posts are disorganized, and contradictory. It\'s no wonder most people don\'t even reply to you seriously.
And the thing you posted about Jews...please explain yourself on that one. I\'m still rather pissed off about it.
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who wants to make a bet.
I bet clowds up to 1000 post by next week...
at least 100 from this thread alone. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Originally posted by Shadwhawk
You\'re talking abiogenesis, not evolution. The two topics are separate. Evolution only matters after life begins.
As for how it began...no one knows for sure. Biochemists have gotten close to creating self-replicating proteins based on Earth\'s previous environmental conditions.
A question: Who says it really had to begin? Why couldn\'t life, in some form, have always existed? I mean, we have seen the harsh conditions that bacteria and such can survive in. Perhaps there is no beginning. Perhaps it has just always been that way.
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Well, if the universe is infinitely old, then life very well could have existed all along. Infinity allows for anything. :)
If the universe had a start, though, biochemical life would\'ve had to arise at some point. The earliest conditions in the universe weren\'t fit for protons, let alone life.
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Originally posted by Shadwhawk
Shockwaves: Well, I\'m something of an anti-religion atheist
I hope you don\'t take this the wrong way: I love you! :D
And to Clowd, please reply to Shadwhawk\'s posts, I\'m sure it\'ll be very interesting. And don\'t forget or skip any of his questions either - just answer them directly instead of threwing out more questions as \'answer\'.
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Uhhh i just read the first page and apparantly 14 pages later people are still debating religion and science and what not. Anyways Im just going back to the topic at hand. The asteroid.
You want Asteroid? I\'ll show you Asteroid *ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP* :laughing: If anyone has the armageddon dvd, they\'ll know where its from.
P.S. W00t to ShadownHawk for being an Otaku. Did you know that Otaku not only means anime fan, it also means "Place of living" Hehe Yup im a japanese anime whore too W00t for us!!! :D
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I hope you don\'t take this the wrong way: I love you!
If you\'re female, that\'s not much of a problem. ;)
I must say, I\'m surprised at the general reaction to my post. This kind of stuff doesn\'t usually go over well on other forums, and people like Clowd tend to have more people on their side.
And to Clowd, please reply to Shadwhawk\'s posts, I\'m sure it\'ll be very interesting. And don\'t forget or skip any of his questions either - just answer them directly instead of threwing out more questions as \'answer\'.
Don\'t expect much. As I\'ve mentioned, I\'ve debated these types of people before, some who could actually argue their points. Clowd doesn\'t seem to be quite up to that caliber. Unless he\'s spurred on by my predicting his actions, he\'ll probably not respond, respond to small points and ignore my overall comments, or just dismiss me entirely.
P.S. W00t to ShadownHawk for being an Otaku. Did you know that Otaku not only means anime fan, it also means "Place of living" Hehe Yup im a japanese anime whore too W00t for us!!!
It\'s also far more derogatory in Japan than it is here. You can be an otaku for anything, though, not just anime or manga.
Lots of Japanese words have multiple meanings that can be difficult to determine from context; seemingly more than English.
I\'m only a recent anime convert (about 2 years), and I\'ve just started buying DVDs (income is good), but I\'ve got over 400 CDs and far, far too many Gundam model kits and other anime toys/figures. Only have about 25 manga volumes, though (but I can\'t be happier with Tokyopop\'s recent huge expansion!).
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shadwhawk if you want to see all my scientific facts, just read the whole thread, which ive doubt youve done. and if you come back saying Ive posted nothing scientific, then you are unworthy to debate with. as for your point on evolution is how life evolves, it has nothing to do with how life got here, how life got here is the foundation. if you cant prove how it got here then the rest of your theory is invalid. i can prove a creator by the left hand right hand scientific fact. quality vs quantity? shotgun method? the way you posted you seem to have not read the whole thread. also for the 4 corners of the earth, i remember the scripture, it said something (cant remember what, i think its bible news) would be spread to the 4 cornes of the earth. this only means the entire world. why take something that is sketchy and use it to mar something that outrightly says God is seated above the circle of the earth? If my anti evolution facts are so bland and easily refuted, why are you yet to do it? Shadwhawk you also seem to know not much about evolution except what you read on a couple of EXTREMELY bias web pages. Go to an unbias web page, where reputable scientists are reasonable
you say i make up silly excuses too, and i run from questions, im yet to hear a reply to the right hand left hand scientific fact. if you want it its in this topic
I dont see the big thing other what I said about Jews. Nobody is God\'s special people now. Even when the Jews were God\'s people, gentiles were alowed to learn the bible, too.
Everyone says Im not will to listen, but get this, I\'ll listen to scientific fact, something like what bossieman posted. If you dont want to listen to people trying to prove their point, just post a scientific fact that proves evolution. You cant just say we evolved that way all the time. Evolution is yet to have a foundation, go ahead and deny something darwin and thousands of scientists, including albert einstein have noted.
Shockwaves how can you tell me to read the thread over? I answered basically all of your questions.
What did everyone excpect of me when this debate started. Nonsense? Your got straightforward answers.
About the muskipper, post it again so I can reply to it.
I think we all can believe in the facts.
Give me facts.
Only bossieman is yet to do so
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Shadwhawk your argument on how light came to be when there was no sun or stars is invalid. Moses wrote Gensis fromt he stand point of a human on earth. Keep that in mind when reading Genesis. He didnt write it from the stand point of God. So therefore in the primitive world there was constant total cloud coverage over the world. So when the clouds moved, light came to be
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Which scientists? It was in Discover magazine 2 months ago. Sorry bud, the asteroid theory is going down the toilet. mORE AND more people are losing faith in it. So as of yet youve prooved jack squat
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Originally posted by Clowd
[everything he posted above]
And yet again you failed to post anything of substance.
as for your point on evolution is how life evolves, it has nothing to do with how life got here, how life got here is the foundation. if you cant prove how it got here then the rest of your theory is invalid[/B]
WRONG! Evolution is a fact. It doesn\'t explain how life STARTED, but it explains how life/species evolved.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Shadwhawk you also seem to know not much about evolution except what you read on a couple of EXTREMELY bias web pages. Go to an unbias web page, where reputable scientists are reasonable
Yet, he showed so much more than you have. Why don\'t you show us some unbiased websites with \'reputable scientists\' who prove what you say?
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Originally posted by Samwise
Yet, he showed so much more than you have. Why don\'t you show us some unbiased websites with \'reputable scientists\' who prove what you say?
You say evolution is a fact = 0 knowledge of evolution
I answered all the questions. I already proved my point.
He showed so much more? Samwise, dont go into denial on me. I already answered all he said.
Just like how you blindly believed all he said, you should blindly believe what I said. But you dont have to do that. Go look it up yourself if you doubt me.
Atheist.alt or whatever isnt a place to be posting links from in a evolutionist vs creationist debate.
get the info from unbias people like dicovery, or other reputable sources
Sorry to get you so mad.
All of you are in the corner now because Ive answered your questions and you havent.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
This makes me think, where would be a good place for something like that to hit the earth?
Besides the obvious, Australia...:D
Your a friggen racist, thats what you are.
And there are 21 million other people who would agree with me. Don\'t mess with us.
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Mad? I\'m not mad. Just annoyed.
Denail? I\'m not the one in denial. :rolleyes:
You say evolution is a fact = 0 knowledge of evolution
[/b]And how is evolution not a fact? What about micro and macroevolution?
Again I dare you to find some websites that agrees with you. EXTREMELY UNBIASED ones too. My bet is that you won\'t - because they\'re all either biased against creation or evolution. And let me guess - the ones that doesn\'t agree with you are wrong and biased? And the ones who are pro-creationism are not biased? Yeah, perhaps if you live in fairyland.
I quote http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF on this:
Creationist claim: Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law.
Many people learned in elementary school that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty--above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do not use the terms that way, however. According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natu
GALÁPAGOS FINCHES show adaptive beak shapes.
ral world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses." No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution--or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter--they are not expressing reservations about its truth.
In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the fact of evolution. The NAS defines a fact as "an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as \'true.\'" The fossil record and abundant other evidence testify that organisms have evolved through time. Although no one observed those transformations, the indirect evidence is clear, unambiguous and compelling.
All sciences frequently rely on indirect evidence. Physicists cannot see subatomic particles directly, for instance, so they verify their existence by watching for telltale tracks that the particles leave in cloud chambers. The absence of direct observation does not make physicists\' conclusions less certain.
You speak of having an open mind Clowd. Yet, you claim we\'re wrong without having an open mind to the proof/research of evolution. That makes you no better than the people you\'re trying to convince.
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evolution is a theory, get other it. darwin admitted and all scientists do today. case over
your in denial becuase you continue to state i have posted no scientific facts supporting creation or denying evolution
and if bossieman is a scientist he can back up what i said about the amino acid left hand right hand scientific fact, and how amino acids cant develop in the primitive atmosphere, and how its hard for cells to polymerize in the primitive ocean.
EDIT: Excuse me, its hard for them to POLYMERIZE
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Originally posted by Clowd
evolution is a theory, get other it. darwin admitted and all scientists do today. case over
No, the case isn\'t "over" just because you say so. That doesn\'t make you correct - I mean, what if I say "numerours priests and scientists have admitted that God is a hoax, he doesn\'t exist and never did." - OMG, there you have it. Fantastic evidence. :rolleyes:
And for the 1 millionth time, show me some proof - what amazingly unbiased sources back you up?
You\'re like a damn broken record - "it\'s not true because I and my imaginary friends say so!".
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EVOLUTION IS A THEORY. ITS IN BLACK AND WHITE.
EDIT: Why would I lie about all that I said? Bossieman can confirm all I said.
I know and have known pretty much there is to know about evolution, what everyone has posted here is old news
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CREATIONISM IS A HOAX. IT\'S IN BLACK AND WHITE.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Samwise
CREATIONISM IS A HOAX. IT\'S IN BLACK AND WHITE.
:rolleyes:
OK, prove it by scientific fact right now
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Originally posted by Clowd
OK, prove it by scientific fact right now
Dude, you just don\'t get it. I\'m just mimicing the hopeless replies by you. Why don\'t YOU prove evolution isn\'t a fact.
EDIT: I\'m not saying I know how life originated on earth. For all I know it could be God, aliens or just nature itself (amino acids and whatnot). But evolution is happening and I don\'t know why you would falsely claim it\'s not. There\'s no doubt that evolution is a fact. If you\'re such an expert on the subject you should know.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Dude, you just don\'t get it. I\'m just mimicing the hopeless replies by you. Why don\'t YOU prove evolution isn\'t a fact.
I already did, Samwise. The left hand right hand fact proves creatin and disaproves evolution. Amino acids cant form in the primitive atmostphere. water in the primitive ocean favors depolymerization. as much as you want to believe the eye evolved, darwin said its absurd to think it did.
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I\'ll have to look into that left hand right hand fact you\'re talking about. I didn\'t catch it the first time, and it sounds quite amazing. If it\'s not too much to ask, could you explain it again? Otherwise I\'ll just find it.
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darwin said its absurd to think it did.
The only thing that`s absurd are your posts, I´m sorry. You should change your name to Clown...[
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Hmm.. ya know. You complain that people do not read your posts carefully Clowd. Perhaps you should watch what you say before someone uses it against you. Case in point, your responce to my very first post in which you answered that "You cannot take every little word of the bible litterally, as it is subjective". (Forgive the non-verbatum quotes, as I\'m too lazy to search a 14 page thread for your -exact- words, but I will hand them to you on a silver plater should you decide to try and weasle your way out) Yet, in a later post you claim that you believe every single word of the bible? How can you believe a scripture as an absolute truth when it\'s very meaning differs between readers?
And to further compound this, you claim that -most- of the passages in the dead sea scrolls match the bible (King James version you claimed, as I recall.. one that was written after a religeous reform which occured well after the time of Christ). Yet, you must conceed that the Dead Sea Scrolls are closer to the true message of Christ being that they are the closes thing we have to an original text. How can you believe your bible word for word when it\'s not verbatium to the dead sea scrolls? Do you simply omit the differences between the versions and believe what the scrolls tell you or do you just ignore the incosistancies and claim it to be "close enough".
Also, while many of the events described in the bible and in the Dead Sea Scrolls coincide, their details, symbolism, and messages are radically different. You may as well be compairing the Bible to the Quran for as close as these two texts are to being similar. I suppose this is another case of "It\'s close enough" eh?
Oh, and I thought I should also point out that you are wrong Shadwhawk. The theory of eveloution, as stated by Darwin, is utter nonsence.. and none but the most ameture of armchair scientists actually believe in it. I realize that you\'re probably trying to keep from getting too techinical with Clowd as he won\'t understand a word you\'re saying, but there are other theories which branch off of Darwin\'s original which explain eveloution far better. Lavan and I already had this discussion long ago, and although he won by simply being able to throw out more facts than I could, I think we did a good job of picking apart Darwins theory.
Evolutionary discussion Clowd can\'t possibly hope to understand. (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10614&highlight=Darwin)
Also Clowd, re-reading that old thread reminded me of something. There have been 5 major extictions in the fossil record. Two of which (I believe) were caused by asteroid impacts. You callously dismiss one, but what of the other 4 mass extictions?
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And Clowd, on the "an eye can\'t evolve thing":
Generations of creationists have tried to counter Darwin by citing the example of the eye as a structure that could not have evolved. The eye\'s ability to provide vision depends on the perfect arrangement of its parts, these critics say. Natural selection could thus never favor the transitional forms needed during the eye\'s evolution--what good is half an eye? Anticipating this criticism, Darwin suggested that even "incomplete" eyes might confer benefits (such as helping creatures orient toward light) and thereby survive for further evolutionary refinement. Biology has vindicated Darwin: researchers have identified primitive eyes and light-sensing organs throughout the animal kingdom and have even tracked the evolutionary history of eyes through comparative genetics. (It now appears that in various families of organisms, eyes have evolved independently.)
And as for the other \'proof\' you used earlier about the giraffes and whatnot, that was nicely explained by someone else - I think it was Shockwaves, but I might have to check up on that again.
Oh, and in case you missed it, my last post on the other page was edited a little:
"EDIT: I\'m not saying I know how life originated on earth. For all I know it could be God, aliens or just nature itself (amino acids and whatnot). But evolution is happening and I don\'t know why you would falsely claim it\'s not. There\'s no doubt that evolution is a fact. If you\'re such an expert on the subject you should know."
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Originally posted by macabre
The only thing that`s absurd are your posts, I´m sorry. You should change your name to Clown...[
your absurd for thining darwin didnt say that, proves how much you know about the father of evolution
why does views of the bible differ between readers? because the bible was written to where only people with true divine wisdom can understand it. (i got my info from those people)
5 mass extinctions? fill me in on these 5 mass extinctions...
shockwaves nicely explained what i said about giraffes? he just said they evolved it. nicely said
of course animals have different eyes...
as for your fossil record, if it proves evolution why isnt there any incomplete skeletons? Im sure there would be more then one skeptical fish
saying you cant take the bible literally: if the bible says a huge tree will grow somewhere, like in a certain part of the world, or your off spring will become a mountain its most likley talking about a new government, or your offspring will become a mighty nation, that is what i mean by dont take SOME of the bible literal
close enough, as long as its the same things, and the wording stays basically the same, you cant complain, anyways im yet to here which scriptures where changed from the original dead sea scrolls
as for shadwhawk, he seems to copy and paste from atheist.alt, so his credibility is pretty low to me, and should be to everyone
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Originally posted by Clowd
as for shadwhawk, he seems to copy and paste from atheist.alt, so his credibility is pretty low to me, and should be to everyone
Yeah, he should use alt.creationism instead, that\'d be much better. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Clowd
shockwaves nicely explained what i said about giraffes? he just said they evolved it. nicely said
Yeah, wouldn\'t you say that explained why their heart is the way it is?
But why don\'t you read everything Lavan wrote on this (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10614&perpage=25&pagenumber=3) page?
Then you can spew out more garbage later.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Your a friggen racist, thats what you are.
And there are 21 million other people who would agree with me. Don\'t mess with us.
This post has hundreds of quality posts to reply to and you pick my one joke. Gotta love that.
Shadwhawk: I have to say welcome to the forum. Finally someone with the knowledge and the sheer will to reply to Clowd\'s absolutely useless drivel. Welcome and I hope you stay after this thread dies. Give that man an avatar!!!
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This is the left hand right hand: amino acids come in two shapes, left handed and right handed, should they be formed at random, half be left handed and half would be right handed, there is no reason why either shape would be prefereed by living beings, but of the 20 amino acids used to make life, ALL are left handed
The odds of evolution are compare to the odds of a printing shop blowing up and resulting in an unabridged dictionary.
which pretty much equals 1 to 100000000000 or some big number like that
its more sensible to believe in God then evolution, but some dont because they dont understand God
Sam wise all my information has come from scientists, not a creation website
Sonyfan what do you mean by evolution? Yes different types of birds are getting made all the time, just like humans. But they stay a bird. You dont see any half bird, half fish do you?
And why would evolution suddenly stop? Wouldnt some animals be in the middle of transforming?
How do you think we got the big variety of humans we have today? Evolution states that beings can become radically differnt and change into totaly different things, like a fish to a reptile.
Also i got a question for you guys. If life is survival of the fittest, why did the fish want to go on the land? what was wrong with the water? what would make a fish grow legs? answer this please
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Originally posted by Samwise
I\'ll have to look into that left hand right hand fact you\'re talking about. I didn\'t catch it the first time, and it sounds quite amazing. If it\'s not too much to ask, could you explain it again? Otherwise I\'ll just find it.
Lefthanded/righthanded.
When we create aminoacid in laboratory we get 50% left and 50 % right handed. The thing is that nature almost all the time uses lefthanded aminoacid instead of righthanded. This is a bit of a mystery why nature choose left before righthanded.
There is several theories about why it is like this. The one I belive is the most correct one is that life (aminoacid) came to earth from space. when we have study meteors that have hit Earth we find on them that there is more lefthanded Aminoacid than righthanded. this "could prove" that life came to earth from space.
If life came to earth from a meteor there is even more interesting theories, like pulsars "killing" righthanded aminoacides. Well Samwise you have to study it more closelly to understand it but it is damn interesting.
i hope I have help you out.
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Yeah, thanks for the info both of you.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Also i got a question for you guys. If life is survival of the fittest, why did the fish want to go on the land? what was wrong with the water? what would make a fish grow legs? answer this please
Wouldnt some animals be in the middle of transforming?
It was nothing wrong with the water, maybe it was hard to survive in the water because it was very much fishes there, the only way to survive was to seek land. So they did.
There is several animals that is in the middle of transforming, to give you an example I will take the seal, it has somekind of legs but still no legs. It gets more and more adapted to live on the land.
Other examples:
Humans: less hair on the body due to clothes, we have still hair around the important parts of the body. This will eventually dissapear.
The bananafly: well it is a mutating evolving science paradise.
There is a lot of evolution going on all the time. there is very few animals on this planet that is on completion of evolution. 2 that is almost perfect evolution is the crocodile and the shark. They have evoled during over a 100 million years and they havent change much, they are perfect.
Virus/bacteria: the evolv al lthe time, everytime you catch a cold you get a new virus that have evolved since the last time you got a cold.
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Here\'s some interesting info:
Claim: Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance.
Answer: Actually, paleontologists know of many detailed examples of fossils intermediate in form between various taxonomic groups. One of the most famous fossils of all time is Archaeopteryx, which combines feathers and skeletal structures peculiar to birds with features of dinosaurs. A flock\'s worth of other feathered fossil species, some more avian and some less, has also been found. A sequence of fossils spans the evolution of modern horses from the tiny Eohippus. Whales had four-legged ancestors that walked on land, and creatures known as Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus helped to make that transition [see "The Mammals That Conquered the Seas," by Kate Wong; Scientific American, May]. Fossil seashells trace the evolution of various mollusks through millions of years. Perhaps 20 or more hominids (not all of them our ancestors) fill the gap between Lucy the australopithecine and modern humans.
But as to why there aren\'t any "fish with legs" or whatever, I don\'t know.
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Originally posted by Samwise
But as to why there aren\'t any "fish with legs" or whatever, I don\'t know.
Simple, if the fish has legs we dont call it fish, we call it reptile or something else.
What about the turdle, it is a fish with legs so we call it reptile.
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I have nothing to add , I just wanted to be part of this huge thread.
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Originally posted by Heat
I have nothing to add , I just wanted to be part of this huge thread.
That is freaking cool!!!
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Shockwaves how can you tell me to read the thread over? I answered basically all of your questions.
Actually Clowd, you haven\'t. Which brings me to repeating something for I belive the 4th time:
Please would you explain what you said about Jews not being God\'s people? As someone of Jewish decent, I took a lot of offense to that, and would like an explaination.
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why does views of the bible differ between readers? because the bible was written to where only people with true divine wisdom can understand it. - Clowd
So are you now claiming devine widsom? You got your information from those with the devine wisdom huh? Just WHO are these bringers of wisdom may I ask? Leaders within your churches community? Every church has bringers of "devine wisdom" for their followers.. and since even so much as the singular belief in Christ as the messiah has spawned dozens of different religeions.. how can you be sure you\'ve chosen the right bringer of knowlage? Seems you would need devine knowlage yourself to understand where the correlations between gods actual message and these "wise men\'s" messages are. Otherwise, you\'re just believing in what sounds best to you. So tell me.. ARE you claiming devine knowlage?
As for the differences between the Dead Sea Scrolls and some of the more popular version of the bible, this link should provide you all the information you need if you even have half the brain to read and understand it.
http://religion.rutgers.edu/iho/dss.html
As for the explanations of the 5 major extinctions throughout Earth\'s history, refer to this link.
http://www.life.umd.edu/classroom/biol106h/L12/Biol106_L12.html
I could have found a much more polished page, published by a Wildlife preservation committe or something, however I chose to look for something a bit more "legitimate" and posted a page of notes from a University webside. Note the .edu in the URL.
as for your fossil record, if it proves evolution why isnt there any incomplete skeletons? Im sure there would be more then one skeptical fish - Clowd
There are, and you\'d find them if you\'d actually spend a fraction of time digging into the fossil record as you do these "Anti-Evolution" websites. Another glaring example of this is the link between dinosaurs and modern birds. I\'m sure these "Anti-Evo" websites who are looking for a "half-chicken - half dinosaur" would be thrilled to see the Archaeopteryx. Archae, isn\'t the only feathered dinosaur it seems.. and he has no relation to the recently discovered non-aviary Sinosauropteryx. He, it seems, is related to Velociraptor. Read more below:
http://www.amnh.org/science/specials/dinobird.html
saying you cant take the bible literally: if the bible says a huge tree will grow somewhere, like in a certain part of the world, or your off spring will become a mountain its most likley talking about a new government, or your offspring will become a mighty nation, that is what i mean by dont take SOME of the bible literal - Clowd
You cannot believe in something word for word (as you stated you do with the bible) when it\'s meaning is subjective to the reader. With each different reader, the meanin changes.. so how can it have any truth if the truth changes with the person holding the book. OOOohhh.. I think we may have just hit upon why the religeons are so factioned!! :rolleyes:
its more sensible to believe in God then evolution, but some dont because they dont understand God - Clowd
It\'s more sensible to believe in a faulty work of (either total of partial) fiction than to believe in a theory which has tested and tried solid evidence that supports it? Oooookay. Just because noone knows the answer, dosen\'t mean that it\'s god\'s doing. Gee, well noone knows who really killed Nicole Simpson.. guess now we can point the finger squarely at god. Wonder if he\'s gonna get Johnny Cochran to defend? :rolleyes: 5,000 years ago, humans didn\'t know what caused lightning.. was it an act of god? Some people thought so, and created a ficticious being named Zeus. Now we know better, and harness that power for everything from Electron microscopes to desklamps.
Sonyfan what do you mean by evolution? Yes different types of birds are getting made all the time, just like humans. But they stay a bird. You dont see any half bird, half fish do you? - Clowd
I reitterate, spend a fraction of the time digging in the fossil record as you do these "Anti-Evo" sites and you\'ll find your proof. See also my link above to the artical about the new feathered dinosaur found for a prime example of a "missing link" between dinosaurs and modern birds. I\'d also suggest you watch the Discovery channel\'s specials "Humans: Who are we" and "The Real Eve" to see just how we evolved from apes.
And why would evolution suddenly stop? Wouldnt some animals be in the middle of transforming? - Clowd
Yes, and they still are. You look at an animal and say.. Oh.. that\'s a Zebra. You can\'t see what it\'s evolving to 100 million years into the future. We can see what it\'s evolved FROM 100 million years into the past. Again, search the fossil record.
Also i got a question for you guys. If life is survival of the fittest, why did the fish want to go on the land? what was wrong with the water? what would make a fish grow legs? answer this please - Clowd
Read up on Natural Sythesis in how it relates to Natural Selection, and for reference read the discussion between Lavan and I.
I would now like to proudly state that in this single post, I have posted 3 times the amount of links that you have in this entire thread.
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I wont click on any of the links until you tell me none of them are biast, but are scientists with an open mind.
Im talking I dont want to click on 15 reasons why creation is false. That isnt credibility
EDIT: btw I dont dig into anti evolutionist websites. I have never been to one
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Humans: less hair on the body due to clothes, we have still hair around the important parts of the body. This will eventually dissapear. - Bossieman
You sure ain\'t sh*ttin us there buddy.
*Points and laughs and CignusXI\'s bald melon*
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Please would you explain what you said about Jews not being God\'s people? As someone of Jewish decent, I took a lot of offense to that, and would like an explaination.
Eventually, you have to see this.
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You won\'t click the links because you know what you say is false, but don\'t want to admit it. You either don\'t have the stamina to back up your claim or the will to educate yourself and debate your point of view. You simply refuse and plug your ears like a child. Did they teach you how to do that in Sunday School?
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Clowd vs. Entire PSX2 Central, isn\'t that a little unfair... :laughing:
anyway, Clowd, your reputation here is not going to be saved by constantly arguing with everyone. If people can remember, there was a member named jumpman(yeah the guy i fought with, :D for you bobbo) who used to fight with everyone and dig himself deeper into a whole until he got banned. Lets not be childish and get ourself banned, rather do the mature thing and admit you were wrong. In any case, it is stupid to argue like this in a forum, or was that your intention when you came here?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Eventually, you have to see this.
They havent been Gods people since they rejected his son and basically killed him
They fight with palestine constantly, killing civilians, etc, and claim they are doing the holy thing.
IMO its just as bad as the catholic scandal
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Originally posted by Samwise
CREATIONISM IS A HOAX. IT\'S IN BLACK AND WHITE.
That may be in your opinion though. To someone who has been brought up on it their whole life, it isnt easy to hear those words. The only people who will not argue the topic are people who have devised a theory which contains both the aspects of creationism and evoultionism.
Now in clowd\'s case, we merely have a problem of thickheadedness/my way is the only way.
IMO we will not get anything through to clowd at this point.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
Clowd vs. Entire PSX2 Central, isn\'t that a little unfair... :laughing:
anyway, Clowd, your reputation here is not going to be saved by constantly arguing with everyone. If people can remember, there was a member named jumpman(yeah the guy i fought with, :D for you bobbo) who used to fight with everyone and dig himself deeper into a whole until he got banned. Lets not be childish and get ourself banned, rather do the mature thing and admit you were wrong. In any case, it is stupid to argue like this in a forum, or was that your intention when you came here?
Billy Gun, you cant prove me wrong. And according to you I cant prove myself.
How am I digging myself into a hole? I have stated facts that are noteworthy.
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Originally posted by Clowd
They havent been Gods people since they rejected his son and basically killed him
Since your a creationist, you should know that god is very forgiving. Jesus even asked his father to forgive the ones who did this to him while he was up their. Maybe you should learn religion before arguing and defending it.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
You won\'t click the links because you know what you say is false, but don\'t want to admit it. You either don\'t have the stamina to back up your claim or the will to educate yourself and debate your point of view. You simply refuse and plug your ears like a child. Did they teach you how to do that in Sunday School?
Your right on one point, Im running low on stamina.
See Sonyfan you have replied to me about 5 times. I have replied around 50. It gets tiring.
Ah, so some of those links are bias. Why I dont click on them.
What if I gave you 15reasonswhyevolutionisahoax.com
I cant see you clicking on it.
And your big post is going to take a lot of time and typing to reply to
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Originally posted by square_marker
Since your a creationist, you should know that god is very forgiving. Jesus even asked his father to forgive the ones who did this to him while he was up their. Maybe you should learn religion before arguing and defending it.
They arent his SPECIAL people anymore. Jews can still serve God if they want.
Dont question my knowledge of religion
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Then who are gods people.....you? Who are you to decide who gods people are?
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Originally posted by Clowd
Dont question my knowledge of religion
Yes, do not question him. As he will overwhelm you with facts and whatnot. He is God, don\'t forget that.
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I have stated facts that are noteworthy. - Clowd
Where? I want links, and I want them before you say even so much as another word in these forums. By your own high standards, they must be credible and non-biased.
Or couse you won\'t provide them, because there are none. You are wrong, and you are desperate. A few more nonsencical posts and this thread will 4 pages longer and just as mind-numbingly stupid as a child with chocolate covering his mouth trying to lie about how it wasn\'t him who ate the brownies.
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oh, gee i almost forgot that :rolleyes:
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What if I gave you 15reasonswhyevolutionisahoax.com. I cant see you clicking on it. - Clowd
I f*cking dare you... :evil: :D
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Originally posted by Clowd
They havent been Gods people since they rejected his son and basically killed him
They fight with palestine constantly, killing civilians, etc, and claim they are doing the holy thing.
IMO its just as bad as the catholic scandal
Look you little shit, if you come close to insulting my people like that again, I\'m not going to take it. Asshole
You saying that is like me saying that all Christians are shits because of the crusades and inquisitions.
And you call me ignorant...
And oh yeah...Jesus-a fraud.
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Originally posted by square_marker
That may be in your opinion though. To someone who has been brought up on it their whole life, it isnt easy to hear those words. The only people who will not argue the topic are people who have devised a theory which contains both the aspects of creationism and evoultionism.
Now in clowd\'s case, we merely have a problem of thickheadedness/my way is the only way.
IMO we will not get anything through to clowd at this point.
Until someone posts something that makes me say, wow, that is interesting, that could prove evolution, theres no reason to believe in it.
Thickheadedness? You guys are yet to produce scientific FACT that proves evolution. The left hand/right hand fact is enough to make/break creation or evolution
You see, evolution doesnt have a foundation. Any foundation attempt has been put in the air by it being a theory, plus my facts.
Theres nothing to get through except a theory with no foundation. As of yet Bossieman is the only one who posted scientific data that is a FACT.
I\'ll state it once again, its more reasonable to believe in the odds of there being a God then the odds of evolution. That is fact. Theres no denying that, so in your next reply Im looking forward to you skipping this paragraph.
Lets try, the universe. How was it created? By God or the big bang theory?
The majority of the world always believe in a creator. But there is this small group who trys to bring up a new theory because they dont understand God.
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Ok people, Anyone here thinks like mee, religion is a good way to start a war.
I can see Shockwaves and clowd start fighting eachother because they have a different religion. Well I have no comment.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Look you little ****, if you come close to insulting my people like that again, I\'m not going to take it. Asshole
You saying that is like me saying that all Christians are ****s because of the crusades and inquisitions.
And you call me ignorant...
And oh yeah...Jesus-a fraud.
How am I insulting your people? Do tell
Inever called you ignorant shockwaves
The so called \'christians who did the crusades and inquistions arent true christians, frauds at best
The reason why the Jews became Gods people in the beginning was because of the covanent God made with Abraham. I think it was 40 years after Jesus died when God left his protection of the Jews and Jeuresalem was destroyed.
Your still waiting for the Messiah?
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Actually, bossieman, I\'m an atheist. He\'s insulting my heritage though. I won\'t take that.
Originally posted by Clowd
Your still waiting for the Messiah?
No you fucking dumbass. I\'m an atheist.
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What about all that data we have provided you? All the facts? :evil: :evil: :evil:
You haven\'t even provided a single source to back you up. And then YOU talk about credibility? Stop pulling my leg man.
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Their are aspects of evoultion that have been proved. Creationism is all in a book passed down by word of mouth. We all know that these stories in the bible could have been exageraded. You clowd have to learn how to accept others opinions and beliefs.
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Until someone posts something that makes me say, wow, that is interesting, that could prove evolution, theres no reason to believe in it. - Clowd
[Sports anoucer\'s voice on] Things are getting hot in 4th quarter, with 40 seconds left in the game... this is the play which could make or break Clowd. He fakes left, but wait.. cornerd by SonyFan.. but he dodges yet AGAIN and makes a break for it.. Uh oh.. here comes shockwaves looking to check him into the wall. Bill, I think Shock here wants to put some serious hurt on our boy Clowd. He\'s getting pretty distracted now... he\'s all over the map.. and.. oh.. no... he tries to dodge yet AGAIN which costs him valuable time and unfortunately the game. Thanks for playing Clowd, you\'ve been a real pant-load. Better luck next time. [/Sports anouncer\'s voice off]
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Theres nothing to get through except a theory with no foundation. As of yet Bossieman is the only one who posted scientific data that is a FACT. - Clowd
No, what Bossieman posted was support of the "lefthand righthand" THEORY as it pertains to life orginiating from a hunk of asteroid from deep space. You simply take what you want out of what he said, ignore the rest, and claim that he supports you when in fact, he did no such thing. You\'ve jus gained 10 points in credibility here Clowd :rolleyes: Thanks for proving just exactly how much of a numbskull you are.. yet AGAIN.
Lets try, the universe. How was it created? By God or the big bang theory? - Clowd
You use the fatigue excuse to dodge out of trying to explain why Creationism > than Evolution.. and yet you attempt to start up yet ANOTHER debate which has the potiential to become even bigger? Can you make it anymore painfully obvious that you don\'t know what you\'re talking about or should I help you paint a billboard?
Besides, everyone knows the universe was created in one giant orgasm while the Egyptian god Ra was porking his concubine. :D
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How is the left hand right hand fact a theory? Its fact man
EDIT: What I mean from what Bossieman stated was his AIDS virus fact
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Until someone posts something that makes me say, wow, that is interesting, that could prove evolution, theres no reason to believe in it.
Well that is a strange thing IMO, because I can´t prove to you that DNA exists, and you can´t prove to mee that the bibe exist.
What kind of proof are you looking for, I have tried to explain virus and bacteria, I have proven that they do actually evolve.
I could show you DNA from humans 300 000 years ago and show you that evolution has change the humans to be taller, less hair a.s.o
Our DNA is changing and evolving all the time.
If i could bring a person from lets say the 12:th centuary that person would get a allergic reaction and probably die if he ate a Big Mac and company.
If I went back to his time I would get some serious dissiesses and I would bring disseses to their time. That would be a catastrophy, but evolution slowly adaptes humans to new forms of virus.
The left hand/right hand fact is enough to make/break creation or evolution
Can you explain why this would brek evolution?
As of yet Bossieman is the only one who posted scientific data that is a FACT
I always try to do that, everything becomes much easier. You have my respect.
Lets try, the universe. How was it created? By God or the big bang theory?
Well, I belive that we don´t know that yet, but all evidence that is based on General relativity theory and Quantum physics shows that something like a bigbang happened.
But the question is very interesting.
I sure hope I will live that day that we get the answer.
Maybe I will be part of that....
The majority of the world always believe in a creator. But there is this small group who trys to bring up a new theory because they dont understand God.
Well we have to be glad that Johan Guttenberg, Issac Newton, Albert Einstein and others came up with revolutionary ideas.
Just because the majority belives in a creator doesn´t make them right.
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Originally posted by Clowd
How am I insulting your people? Do tell
Inever called you ignorant shockwaves
The so called \'christians who did the crusades and inquistions arent true christians, frauds at best
The reason why the Jews became Gods people in the beginning was because of the covanent God made with Abraham. I think it was 40 years after Jesus died when God left his protection of the Jews and Jeuresalem was destroyed.
Your still waiting for the Messiah?
Tell me how the crusades and inquisition...the actions of a group of christians, supported by the Church, are any different from the actions of a group of Jewish people?
And you are insulting Jews by saying that God does not favor them anymore, and putting Christians above them. If anything, I think that the way Christians have treated Jews throughout history is only proof of who the righteous ones are. The actions of Christians towards Jews are more like actions that would be guided by Satan, something you Christians believe in, than by God. The Nazis were Christians. The Crusades were Christians. The examples like this are endless.
You called everyone that opposed your arguement ignorant. You told me, infact, to "get a education". I think it is obvious that you have called me ignorant.
So once again, fuck off. I don\'t find your ignorance amusing any longer,
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Originally posted by Samwise
You haven\'t even provided a single source to back you up. And then YOU talk about credibility? Stop pulling my leg man.
I quote myself again.
With all that overwhelming amount of facts and evidence you have posted (ehem), I\'m amazed to see absolutely NOTHING to back it up. Not even an URL to a pro-creation website. Nada. Zero. Null. Zip.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Can you explain why this would brek evolution?
It would prove that there is a creator involved. Why does nature favor certain shapes? The only argument is life came on an asteroid
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Originally posted by Samwise
I quote myself again.
With all that overwhelming amount of facts and evidence you have posted (ehem), I\'m amazed to see absolutely NOTHING to back it up. Not even an URL to a pro-creation website. Nada. Zero. Null. Zip.
well bossieman backed up left hand right hand, and the amino acids in primitive skys not being able to survive because of constant lightning, cells not able to polymerize in a primitive ocean that favors depolymerization is pretty much true.
If you want a link go to some science website
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Originally posted by Clowd
It would prove that there is a creator involved. Why does nature favor certain shapes? The only argument is life came on an asteroid
Just because it can\'t be explained by science right now (I don\'t know if it can, I\'m not a scientist), doesn\'t mean it has anything to do with supernatural powers.
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Originally posted by Clowd
If you want a link go to some science website
Why the **** would we search for a website with that info on it. You are the one debating this unwinnable topic, you provide us with these "links"........ they probably dont even exist.
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Originally posted by Clowd
well bossieman backed up left hand right hand, and the amino acids in primitive skys not being able to survive because of constant lightning, cells not able to polymerize in a primitive ocean that favors depolymerization is pretty much true.
But what does that have to do with evolution? Evolution and the origin of life isn\'t the same thing. As I\'ve said earlier, it could be "God", aliens or something completely else that made life possible on earth.
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And while you\'re at it Clowd, I\'d like some sort of response to my post.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
And you are insulting Jews by saying that God does not favor them anymore, and putting Christians above them.
If anything, I think that the way Christians have treated Jews throughout history is only proof of who the righteous ones are.
Arent Jews Christians? I never put Christian above Jews. And I said God doesnt seem them as SPECIAL anymore.
Who are these Christians that mistreated the Jews? Nazis?
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No Clowd, Sam didn\'t ask what other members words you can twist to fit your end, he asked what links and information YOU provided. I suppose you think god sent Bossieman to save your ass huh? He stated there are several theories surrounding why lefthand/righthand occurs. One of which bein a meteor (his favorite) and the other one being that some believe that pulsars kill righthand aminoacids. There are also others, which he hadn\'t mentioned.
He never supported you, only raised questions and informed of theories.
How can we expect you to interpret gods message from a book that\'s "true message" has eluded men for millenia when you can\'t even infer the correct meaning of a VERY clearly explained post on a videogame forum?
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Originally posted by Clowd
Arent Jews Christians? I never put Christian above Jews. And I said God doesnt seem them as SPECIAL anymore.
Who are these Christians that mistreated the Jews? Nazis?
Jews are not Christians. Why would a group that doesn\'t believe in Christ be Christians. However, Christians are sometimes considered Jews. Not the other way around though.
I still take offense to what you say.
And ever heard of the Inquisition? Who do you think was targetted in that?
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By the way, Anyone else find it ironic that our boy Clowd here decided to spend Sunday morning here chatting with us heathens rather than go to church?
So much for "Remember the Sabbath". :rolleyes:
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I read the entire thread, yes, I was bored, and I have come to two conclusions:
1. Clowd can\'t prove anyone wrong, even though he claims he is, and he can\'t prove himself right, even though, again, he claims he is. What does this all add up to? A lot of PSX2Central members confused and left dumbfounded by one man\'s blind idiocy.
Clowd, you can\'t tell people to be unbiased and find unbiased sites when you can\'t provide links to your unbiased sites that supposedly back up every opinion[/i] you have. It\'s a double standard. The members here provide proof, you provide faith, it\'s an unending arguement halted by no one except those who close these threads that always get blown out of proportion and reach a stand still no matter what.
2. Religion threads shoul not be discussed on this board with Clowd present. If any of you saw ANY of his posts in Console Debate, you can see this is one messed up kid. He\'s the king of double standards and doesn\'t even understand himself at times so making us attempt to understand any words he spews is like making us build another egyptian pyrimid. It\'s a lot of work, and in the end, you\'re just wasting all your time.
400 posts in one thread is a bit much so I\'ll do this:
I\'m going to close this thread. If anyone still wishes, after all this crap to continue on in a new thread, fine. I have no problem with that. Wading through 400 posts is a pain in the ass and I want more neatness. Clowd, please respond to all posts in a SINGLE post and BOLD all the names you are referring to before you start talking to them. You have 50 posts in this thread, and all of them are the same crap over and over again and they don\'t make any sense at all. Just please do as I ask, it\'s not a hard task to fulfill. Anyways, this thread is done for.
May it rest in peace.
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mm and bjorn say to me..
"with great power, comes great responsibility"
Who am i, I\'m soulgrind...
THREAD CLOSED.
ps, not sure if ryu did close this thread....
but if he did.. Good lad.
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I did close it actually, but thanks for the pat on the ass. ;)